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001 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Screen Dreams

002 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - OT: Winterbottom's Welcome to

Sarajevo!

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Screen Dreams

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Hi,

I was moping around in a bookstore again (love to do that) and found

this book in the filmsection that had a piece about HC on pages 98 - 100

(I'm sure that this is old news for some of you, or maybe most of you,

but I hadn't seen or heard of this book before and i'm sure I'm not the

only one...):

Screen Dreams

Fantasising lesbians in film

Clare Whatling

1997

ISBN: 0719050677

Manchester University Press

The back of the book said:

Should a lesbian film represent lesbians fairly or are lesbian

psycho-killers just that much more fun to watch? What, after all, is a

lesbian film? Is it defined by its characters or the audiences who

invest in them? Is it the most interesting aspect of films, as Clare

Whatling argues here, the audiences who watch them?

From Meryl Streep to Jodie Foster, Maidens in Uniform to Heavenly

Creatures, Clare Whatling provides an engaging introduction to some of

the more complex areas of contemporary film theory, whilst developing

new accounts of the relationship between the audience and the film text.

***

I stopped writing after this because I already looked pretty dumb,

rewriting the back of a book...*grin* It costs around 55 dutch guilders,

about 28 US dollars.

Take care,

Marloes

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From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>

Subject: OT: Winterbottom's Welcome to Sarajevo!

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:30:52 +0100

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Hi Creatures,

Sorry to get semi-off topic but I thought that I'd mention that I'd just

seen Michael Winterbottom's (of Jude fame) "new" film "Welcome to

Sarajevo", because it's totally knocked me off my feet. And It's one of

few

times since seeing Jude that I've left the cinema with that strange

feeling

of not depression but thoughtfulness.

It's the highly topical story of a British news reporter who smuggles a

girl out from Sarajevo to save her from the terrors of war. It's got

great

acting (Dillane, Tomei and Harrelsen) and some really horrific scenes.

Winterbottom really knows how to push those emotional buttons. And

there is

a connection with Jude in it, because we're shown dead babies too in

this

one. Phew, some girl who sat next to me burst out in sobbing cries after

that scene. I'll venture so suggest that it's a better film than

Schindler's List, or rather I liked it better than Schindler's List, not

that I find SL bad or anything like that.

Has anybody else seeen it ?

Cheers,

*Passer borovnia*

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"No voice divine the storm allayed

no light propicious shone

when snatched from all affectual aid

we perished each alone

but I beneath a rougher sea

and whelmed in deeper gulfs than he"

- William Cowper

tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com

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001 - "Marie Braden" <braden@ms - Small world, kinda OT, was RE:

Member gallery

002 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: Member gallery

003 - Frank Liekefett <FLiekefe - German posts allowed?

004 - "M. Charles Frappier" <mc - Re: German posts allowed?

005 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: German posts allowed?

006 - "M. Charles Frappier" <mc - Re: German posts allowed?

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From: "Marie Braden" <braden@msw0.attnet.or.jp>

Subject: Small world, kinda OT, was RE: Member gallery

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:34:28 +0900

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> In a message dated 98-11-14 05:40:52 EST, you write:

>

> << ..the military sends us where it wants us to go (currently

> Japan...waiting for orders to Spangdahlem...)

> Then again, when the time comes, at least I know I've got

> someone to tell me

> a little about what to expect! >>

>

> oh my god, what a small world it is. I use to live on

> Spangdahlem. but that

> was 8 years ago when I was younger (i'm only 19). I miss Germany

> so much.

Small world? You betcha...I'm from a teeny tiny town in Florida, and

now we

are stationed in a teeny tiny town in Japan, right? Well, for the past

three years, a girl that I not only went to high school with, but was

in my

French class, was stationed here too....tres odd.

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: Re: Member gallery

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 13:23:13 -0200

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Sorry for not having answered this before. I bought another computer and

it took me a while to get rid of that hideous Windows 98 that came on

the package (no offense intended, Jean...). The only problem I still

have is lack of time, I'm finishing my undergrad so there are tons of

things to do until next month. But I'll be working on the member

database anyway.

> Sad that only a few wanted to share their personal data.

Indeed... Hey people, don't be shy! If anyone's worried about sending

personal info, please remember that you don't have to fill ALL the

fields on the form.

> BTW, if there

> are enough pics to build up a member gallery (hope mine arrived)?

Yes, Frank, but I have only yours and pics from Charles and Marloes,

apart from my own (yes, now I have a scanner!). I know that many of you

have your pics online, so please send me the links so I can get them.

And, again, if privacy is your concern, I can share the member gallery

link only on the list, not on the page.

:*

Juliana.

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From: Frank Liekefett <FLiekefett@weser-ems-net.de>

Subject: German posts allowed?

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StarScully@aol.com schrieb:

>

> In a message dated 98-11-14 05:40:52 EST, you write:

>

> << ..the military sends us where it wants us to go (currently

> Japan...waiting for orders to Spangdahlem...)

> Then again, when the time comes, at least I know I've got someone to

tell me

> a little about what to expect! >>

>

> oh my god, what a small world it is. I use to live on Spangdahlem.

but that

> was 8 years ago when I was younger (i'm only 19). I miss Germany so

much.

Then I can ask you some things in german (your family's moving overseas,

visiting relatives in Germany, living in Virginia vs. living in

somewhere in Germany etc.)?

Just let me know if this bothers you or if you would also like to talk a

bit in german.

Greetings from Germany,

Frank

--

'... although we may not be alone in the universe, in our own separate

ways, on this planet, we are all...alone.'

(3x20: Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space')

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From: "M. Charles Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:30:54 -0500

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Cool with me!

It might in fact give me a chance to brush up on my 2 days of German

lessons

I once took :)

Charles

(whose German is now limited to "Ein bier, bitte.")

-----Original Message-----

From: Frank Liekefett <FLiekefett@weser-ems-net.de>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 3:31 PM

Subject: German posts allowed?

>StarScully@aol.com schrieb:

>>

>> In a message dated 98-11-14 05:40:52 EST, you write:

>>

>> << ..the military sends us where it wants us to go (currently

>> Japan...waiting for orders to Spangdahlem...)

>> Then again, when the time comes, at least I know I've got someone to

tell me

>> a little about what to expect! >>

>>

>> oh my god, what a small world it is. I use to live on Spangdahlem.

but

that

>> was 8 years ago when I was younger (i'm only 19). I miss Germany so

much.

>

>Then I can ask you some things in german (your family's moving

overseas,

>visiting relatives in Germany, living in Virginia vs. living in

>somewhere in Germany etc.)?

>

>Just let me know if this bothers you or if you would also like to talk

a

>bit in german.

>

>Greetings from Germany,

>

>Frank

>

>--

>'... although we may not be alone in the universe, in our own separate

> ways, on this planet, we are all...alone.'

> (3x20: Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space')

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: German posts allowed?

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:48:42 -0000

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>Charles

>(whose German is now limited to "Ein bier, bitte.")

*snort* that's almost more useless than my two german phrases, which I

don't

even really know how to spell.... 'ich habe keine unruhe' and 'sein ist

die

hand die verletzt'...

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://fly.to/alisha

ICQ: 23296752

Desk#1107

Circulating Quotes Of The Moment

"Heather says she teaches people real life. She

says real life sucks losers dry. If you want to

fuck with the eagles, you have to learn to fly."

- Veronica, 'Heathers'

"Coke? Pepsi? Saline IV?"

"Something sweet."

- Mulder + Scully, 'Fight The Future'

"All the best people have bad chests and bone

diseases; it's all *frightfully* romantic."

- Juliet, 'Heavenly Creatures'

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From: "M. Charles Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:56:23 -0500

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Alisha,

I don't know what your two sentences mean, but I DO know that mine could

probably allow me to survive in Germany, for a happy while anyway... :)

Charles

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From: Alisha <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 3:57 PM

Subject: Re: German posts allowed?

>

>>Charles

>>(whose German is now limited to "Ein bier, bitte.")

>

>

>*snort* that's almost more useless than my two german phrases, which I

don't

>even really know how to spell.... 'ich habe keine unruhe' and 'sein

ist die

>hand die verletzt'...

>

>

>Alisha

>xoxox

>

>

>alisha1121@hotmail.com

>kleinjan@btinternet.com

>http://fly.to/alisha

>ICQ: 23296752

>Desk#1107

>

>Circulating Quotes Of The Moment

>

>"Heather says she teaches people real life. She

>says real life sucks losers dry. If you want to

>fuck with the eagles, you have to learn to fly."

> - Veronica, 'Heathers'

>

>"Coke? Pepsi? Saline IV?"

>"Something sweet."

> - Mulder + Scully, 'Fight The Future'

>

>"All the best people have bad chests and bone

>diseases; it's all *frightfully* romantic."

> - Juliet, 'Heavenly Creatures'

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001 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: OT: Winterbottom's Welcome to

Sarajevo!

002 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: Heavenly Creatures is turning

against me!

003 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - database update and little

X-Files note

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: OT: Winterbottom's Welcome to Sarajevo!

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:48:32 GMT

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On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:30:52 +0100, Tine Nielsen

<tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk> wrote:

Hi tine, nice to see you back on the list.

And thanks for the tip, sounds like an interesting film. Did you see

it in the theater or on video? Cuz i never heard anything about it,

but i did notice it's out on laserdisc.

--

jeroen - the netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

they want to simplify your needs and likes

to sterilize you (c) sleater-kinney

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: Heavenly Creatures is turning against me!

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:48:33 GMT

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On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:48:12 -0000, "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

wrote:

>I was thinking, the other day, how I wish I could watch HC again for

the

>first time...

I know what you mean. For me the closest thing to reliving that first

viewing is not through watching the actual movie but by things like

listening to music i was playing a lot at that time. For example

whenever i listen to leonard cohen's 'the partisan' and 'so long

marianne' all those first viewing emotions come back to me. It's

weird.

Oh yeah and the wonderful smell of earl grey tea has the same effect.

Don't know why. Hey i never said i was normal.

--

jeroen - the netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

they want to simplify your needs and likes

to sterilize you (c) sleater-kinney

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: database update and little X-Files note

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:44:28 -0200

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I finally included the entries that were sent lately on the database.

The gallery has ONLY 5 CONTRIBUTIONS STILL, counting myself, so I'm

still waiting for more pics!!

And I noticed that many of you are X-Files fans... so let me introduce

myself, this is Sister Juliana of the OBSSE (Order of the Blessed Saint

Scully the Enigmatic) here! :)

:*

Juliana.

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001 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: database update and little

X-Files note

002 - "Robert Peters" <jirkpete - Erm, hello!

003 - Adit <adit@main.aquanet.c - Celebrity Skin

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: database update and little X-Files note

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:48:33 -0000

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>I finally included the entries that were sent lately on the database.

>The gallery has ONLY 5 CONTRIBUTIONS STILL, counting myself, so I'm

>still waiting for more pics!!

Mine is @ http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/moi.gif but I'm hoping to

scan a

more recent one soon.

>And I noticed that many of you are X-Files fans... so let me introduce

>myself, this is Sister Juliana of the OBSSE (Order of the Blessed Saint

>Scully the Enigmatic) here! :)

Hey! I don't remember if I ever attempted to join the OBSSE.. Oh well.

later, guys

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://fly.to/alisha

ICQ: 23296752

Desk#1107

Circulating Quotes Of The Moment

"Heather says she teaches people real life. She

says real life sucks losers dry. If you want to

fuck with the eagles, you have to learn to fly."

- Veronica, 'Heathers'

"Coke? Pepsi? Saline IV?"

"Something sweet."

- Mulder + Scully, 'Fight The Future'

"All the best people have bad chests and bone

diseases; it's all *frightfully* romantic."

- Juliet, 'Heavenly Creatures'

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From: "Robert Peters" <jirkpeters@mistral.co.uk>

Subject: Erm, hello!

Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:14:38 -0000

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Hi! I'm James, from England!

This is the 1st time I have written anything (so it will be interesting

to

see if it actually makes it onto

the list - Mmmm). I usually just watch.

But I saw "Hideous Kinky" last night at the London Film Festival and I

just

thought I'd tell you Kate fans that its a really great film (she is

excellent - as usual) and you must see it if you get the chance!

Erm...... Bye!

James

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From: Adit <adit@main.aquanet.co.il>

Subject: Celebrity Skin

Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:57:00 +0200

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(I know this was a while ago but I wasn't online all this time so...)

>Kate has been quoted as finding the whole thing "silly".

>

> (:^)]

Actors usually say they don't care about this things. They don't take

things too seriously, and they don't care if they have millions of fans

and they won tons of awards. Personally- I don't buy it. They are human

after all- and if "regular people" care if people love them or not, why

shouldn't celebrities? And if I'm wrong and they really don't care- they

are very misreble people because they can't approsiate anything and

that's a very bad quality. What do you think about this subject?

-Adit

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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Celebrity Skin

002 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Christchurch: a by-word for

problems

003 - Sara Hutchinson Queen of - war of the worlds... Katie

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

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Adit wrote:

>Actors usually say they don't care about this things. They don't take

>things too seriously, and they don't care if they have millions of fans

>and they won tons of awards. Personally- I don't buy it.

Kate has been publicly excited about being nominated for Oscars and

grateful for the Empire award. I assume she just finds "best Body" and

"Sexiest" awarded by Nivea and such a bit off the mark as far as

recognition is concerned.

Kate is a professional actress, not a starlet.

(:^)]

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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>

Subject: Christchurch: a by-word for problems

Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:00:13 +0800 (WST)

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In a recent press report, we find New Zealand's Prime Minister, Mrs

Shipley, being asked about her views on Asia's financial difficulties,

responding that each country should decide how to manage its way

"out of this economic Christchurch" ... er, "I mean crisis".

cheers

*Rana borovnia*

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From: Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World

<u9713911@bournemouth.ac.uk>

Subject: war of the worlds... Katie

Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:23:54 GMT

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Sorry to go thru the list guys...

Hiya Katie,

If you still want me to copy the war of the worlds tape for you, i

worked

out the cost. Sorry it took me so long to write back, but the uni is

forcing

me to actually do some work... the cheek! ;) Anyhow, the cost is $7

aust.

That includes the tape price and postage... let me know, ok? :)

Sara**********

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001 - "Phil West" <pgw16@hermes - Re: Erm, hello!

002 - "Phil West" <pgw16@hermes - PJ's new trilogy

003 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: war of the worlds... Katie

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From: "Phil West" <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Subject: Re: Erm, hello!

Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:42:45 +0000

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>But I saw "Hideous Kinky" last night at the London Film Festival and I

just

> thought I'd tell you Kate fans that its a really great film

Hi James, lucky you! congrats on getting a ticket.

The LFF is amazing. I saw the brilliant Forgotten Silver there 2 years

ago.

If you live near London, keep your eyes open, because the NFT

occasionally

shows HC in its Screen2, and HC in a FULL cinema is something else.

Hmm, HC, HK, acronymic confusionism for the future there.

cheers,

Phil

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From: "Phil West" <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Subject: PJ's new trilogy

Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:46:23 +0000

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Hey Creatures

If you haven't already, fans of Peter Jackson's other projects might

like to

check out the Lord of the Rings info at

http://members.tripod.com/peter_jackson_online/index2.htm

There's some interesting input from the man himself. Oh, and there's

some

HC, Braindead, Bad Taste stuff there, too (it's a Jackson site).

cheers,

Phil

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From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: war of the worlds... Katie

Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 07:23:20 -0800 (PST)

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What Katie?

---Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World wrote:

>

> Sorry to go thru the list guys...

>

> Hiya Katie,

> If you still want me to copy the war of the worlds tape for you, i

worked

> out the cost. Sorry it took me so long to write back, but the uni is

forcing

> me to actually do some work... the cheek! ;) Anyhow, the cost is $7

aust.

> That includes the tape price and postage... let me know, ok? :)

>

> Sara**********

>

>

==

Love Kate

X

**I take my Kate Winslet obsession to the extreme!**

**Like it or lump it** **Life is not a dress rehearsal**

_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n993

Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:54:07 EST

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In a message dated 98-11-20 21:37:01 EST, you write:

> Kate is a professional actress, not a starlet.

awwww :)... well said Jean... I couldnt agree more...and thank god shes

not

one of those little hollywood starlets..phew!.. just something about

that type

of person annoys the crap out of me!.. ok, i have a performance to get

to in

like 10 minutes (wish me luck.. although i have a really small part...)

so ill

talk to you later!

love,

Rachel :-)!!!

--------------- END heavenly-c.v001.n994 ---------------

Date:

Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:26:28 -0800 (PST)

From:

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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n995 --------------

001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n993

002 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - slightly OT but not really..

003 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - kates "H..." films.. aaah!!!

004 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Re: Erm, hello!

005 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Re: OT: Winterbottom's Welcome to

Sarajevo!

006 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Photos of the husband?

007 - Sharon Bowker <sbowker1@h - Hearts are breaking...

008 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Diaries used in murder trials...

009 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Photos of the husband?

010 - "M. Charles Frappier" <mc - Re: Photos of the husband?

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n993

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:03:33 -0500

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Rosedwson4@aol.com wrote:

>ok, i have a performance to get to in

>like 10 minutes (wish me luck.. although i have a really small part...)

There are no small parts...just small actors.

(I forgot who said that) :-)

Break a leg

(:^)]

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: slightly OT but not really..

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:55:55 -0000

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Okay. I'm panicking just a little because my French exam has been moved

forward to TOMORROW AFTERNOON and I was wondering if there is anybody on

this list who can help me before then. I need to write 150 words on a

topic

of my choice - I chose HC. I'm allowed outside help as long as I cite

it,

and if anyone could help me I'd be *so grateful*.

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://fly.to/alisha

ICQ: 23296752

Desk#1107

Circulating Quotes Of The Moment

"Paranoia is a state of heightened awareness. Most

people are being persecuted beyond their wildest

delusions."

- Claude Steiner

"Heather says she teaches people real life. She says

real life sucks losers dry. If you want to fuck with

the eagles, you have to learn to fly."

- Veronica, 'Heathers'

"Only the best people fight against all obstacles in

persuit of happiness."

- Juliet, 'Heavenly Creatures'

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From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

Subject: kates "H..." films.. aaah!!!

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:21:39 EST

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> Hmm, HC, HK, acronymic confusionism for the future there.

>

hehehe... yeah.. and how about when we add Kates next movie after HK

that she

just finished filming, Holy Smoke... that makes HC, HK, and HS

aaaaaahhh...

shes trying to drive us fans stark raving mad i tell you!!! :-)

love yas!

~Rachel!~

ps--my shows over now, so yay I can post more again-but it went really

really

well.. we got standing ovations every night :-).. and im sort of sad

that its

over! I always am when shows end :(... just thought I'd mention. k,

byebye :)

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From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>

Subject: Re: Erm, hello!

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:37:16 +0100

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Hi Creatures,

At 10:42 21-11-98 +0000, you wrote:

>>But I saw "Hideous Kinky" last night at the London Film Festival and

I just

>> thought I'd tell you Kate fans that its a really great film

>

>Hi James, lucky you! congrats on getting a ticket.

>

>The LFF is amazing. I saw the brilliant Forgotten Silver there 2

years ago.

> If you live near London, keep your eyes open, because the NFT

occasionally

>shows HC in its Screen2, and HC in a FULL cinema is something else.

>

>Hmm, HC, HK, acronymic confusionism for the future there.

Yeah, I noticed another one along those lines when I was in Brit Lit

class

the other day, talking about the word "minster" meaning church...ok what

I'm trying to say is that Kate's been in two films now in which the

cities

have had similar names... "christchurch" and "Christminster"... how odd,

yet how pleasing.

Tine

>cheers,

>Phil

>

>

=====================================================

"No voice divine the storm allayed

no light propicious shone

when snatched from all affectual aid

we perished each alone

but I beneath a rougher sea

and whelmed in deeper gulfs than he"

- William Cowper

tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com

=====================================================

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From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>

Subject: Re: OT: Winterbottom's Welcome to Sarajevo!

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:56:14 +0100

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In-Reply-To: <199811171349.FAA09994@lists1.best.com>

Hi people, Jeroen,

>Hi tine, nice to see you back on the list.

Thanks, I'm just popping my head up above water for a breather and then

it's back to business again :( actually it's not so bad but those Latin

paper's don't write themselves unfortunately.

>And thanks for the tip, sounds like an interesting film. Did you see

>it in the theater or on video? Cuz i never heard anything about it,

>but i did notice it's out on laserdisc.

I saw it at the movie theatre on a huge screen and it was a truly

fantastic

experience. I didn't know that it was out on video yet though... but

why be

surprised we do after all live in the age of technology.

If you want another tip, go see "Nelly et monsieur Arnaud" it's one of

my

favourite films of this year so far (even though it's 2 years old)....

Claude Sautet really knows how to cut a film just right :)

Cheers,

*Passer borovnia*

=====================================================

"No voice divine the storm allayed

no light propicious shone

when snatched from all affectual aid

we perished each alone

but I beneath a rougher sea

and whelmed in deeper gulfs than he"

- William Cowper

tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com

=====================================================

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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>

Subject: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:35:58 -0500

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Hio!

I've been hearing about Kate Winslet's marriage non-stop since

yesterday, but I haven't seen any photographs of the husband.

Anyone got any links with photographs?

Eileene =)

iko@woolgathering.net

www.woolgathering.net

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From: Sharon Bowker <sbowker1@herald.cc.purdue.edu>

Subject: Hearts are breaking...

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:01:38 -0500

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Greetings Heavenly Friends!

This may be old news to most of you...but CNN is reporting that Kate

and her

honey tied the knot over the weekend. I guess my invitation must have

gotten

lost in the mail!

Best regards,

Sharon

********************************************************************************

"...how sad it is for other people that they cannot appreciate our

genius."

-Heavenly Creatures

Sharon A. Bowker

sbowker1@purdue.edu

Lafayette, Indiana, USA

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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>

Subject: Diaries used in murder trials...

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:23:05 -0500

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An interesting article I ran across.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-11/23/134l-112398-idx.html

I'm very involved in the online journal-writing community and

received

the article from one of the major listservs of the community.

Share and Enjoy!

Eileene =)

iko@woolgathering.net

www.woolgathering.net/mindsi/

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:04:22 +0100

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Eileene Coscolluela wrote:

>

> Hio!

>

> I've been hearing about Kate Winslet's marriage non-stop since

> yesterday, but I haven't seen any photographs of the husband.

> Anyone got any links with photographs?

Hmmm...I believe I spotted some gossip-mag with a picture of them (and

Kate's ring), I'll try to look it up and scan the picture for ya, k?

Marloes

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From: "M. Charles Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:25:22 -0500

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Eileene,

Go to

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/business/top_direct.html

there's a small search box on the left hand side. Enter "Threapleton"

and

you'll get to the wedding article (there are 2 pics).

I think he kinda looks like Sting.

Charles

-----Original Message-----

From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 12:23 PM

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

>Eileene Coscolluela wrote:

>>

>> Hio!

>>

>> I've been hearing about Kate Winslet's marriage non-stop since

>> yesterday, but I haven't seen any photographs of the husband.

>> Anyone got any links with photographs?

>

>Hmmm...I believe I spotted some gossip-mag with a picture of them (and

>Kate's ring), I'll try to look it up and scan the picture for ya, k?

>

>Marloes

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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n996 --------------

001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Kate's marriage

002 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Photos of the husband?

003 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Photos of the husband?

004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Photos of the husband?

005 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Photos of the husband?

006 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - *sniffle* im so happy for her!

007 - "Leanne McMahon" <leanne. - Kate got married

008 - G <v@gulati.demon.co.uk> - Re: Photos of the husband?

009 - G <v@gulati.demon.co.uk> - Re: Photos of the husband?

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Kate's marriage

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:53:12 -0500

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I, for one, wish her nothing less that the whole "happily ever after"

bit.

(:^)]

Mr.Showbiz's story on Kate's nuptials:

http://www.mrshowbiz.com/news/todays_stories/981122/winslet112298.html

----Forwarded text--------------------------------------

Sunday, November 22, 1998 6:03 PM

Kate Winslet Ties the Knot

Kate Winslet has taken the plunge. The Oscar-nominated

Titanic actress married assistant film director Jim

Threapleton in a super-secret ceremony at a church in

Reading, England, on Sunday.

The surprise nuptials were kept as quiet as the young couple's

summertime engagement, which was only revealed last

month. At the time, Winslet coyly said she and her beau were

probably going to wed next summer.

Winslet, a frequent target of the paparazzi, wanted her

wedding to be a private affair, and for the most part she got

her wish, as news of the nuptials leaked out only at the last

minute.

About 150 guests, including Winslet's Sense and Sensibility

co-stars (and lovebirds) Emma Thompson and Greg Wise,

were on hand for the afternoon wedding at the All Saints'

Church in southern England, where the Winslet family has

worshiped since Kate was a child.

Winslet, 23, wore a cream-colored, Edwardian-styled,

pearl-encrusted gown by Givenchy, accented with a pearl

droplet on her forehead. Threapleton, 25, wore a dark suit.

After the simple, 30-minute ceremony, the couple emerged from the

church and kissed passionately as they were showered with confetti.

They briefly posed for photographs, and Winslet said she felt

"absolutely wonderful."

"It was quite amazing," said the happy bride. "It was the most amazing

day of our lives."

Rev. John Mortiboys, who performed the ceremony and has known Kate

since she was a little girl, said the wedding "was tremendously relaxed

and happyŠThey were trying to keep everything as secret as possible

because you can imagine what it is like in the glare of the publicity

all the time."

The wedding was followed by a reception at a 17th century pub.

This was the first marriage for both Winslet and Threapleton. The

couple met last year on the Morocco set of her upcoming film, Hideous

Kinky, where Threapleton served as a third assistant director.

"When you know, you know," Winslet said October 16 after announcing her

engagement. "That's what I've been told all my life and now I knowŠI

knew instantly. I thought 'Yep I'll have that.'"

----End Forwarded story----------------

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:56:24 -0000

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>I think he kinda looks like Sting.

i dreamt last night that he was prince harry. sorry, just a bizarre

waste of

inbox space.

alisha

xoxox

http://fly.to/alisha

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:53:06 +0100

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M. Charles Frappier wrote:

> there's a small search box on the left hand side. Enter

"Threapleton" and

> you'll get to the wedding article (there are 2 pics).

Okay, I made this a bit easier, click on the following links and you'll

see the pics. The first one wasn't taken at the wedding but it shows Mr

Lucky the best.

Engagement-pic

http://images.thisislondon.com/linked/news/katewinslet_180x180.jpg

Wedding-pic #1

http://images.thisislondon.com/linked/news/winslettwedding_180x288.jpg

Wedding-pic #2

http://images.thisislondon.com/linked/news/winslettwedding2_180x231.jpg

> I think he kinda looks like Sting.

Haha...you really think so? Nahh....*lol*

Marloes

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:00:34 -0500

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The BBC News story includes a candid shot of the happy couple:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_219000/219717.stm

---Forwarded

story-------------------------------------------------------

Sunday, November 22, 1998 Published at 20:22 GMT

Entertainment

Titanic star in low-key wedding

[Photo caption]Kate Winslet and her new husband Jim Threapleton

The actress Kate Winslet has outwitted the gossip columnists and

married at her local church away from the prying cameras of

newspaper photographers.

The 23-year-old actress tied the knot with fiance Jim Threapleton in a

low-key wedding at her family's local church in Reading, Berkshire.

About 150 guests - including Primary Colours star Emma Thompson

and her boyfriend Greg Wise - crammed into All Saints' Church for a

traditional Anglican ceremony.

Jim, a 25-year-old assistant film director, was ushered in by a team of

minders.

Designer wedding dress

His bride, wearing a cream gown by French designer Givenchy,

arrived later in a Mercedes.

The couple had tried to keep the wedding secret and the bride's

mother laid a trail of subterfuge for Fleet Street's finest.

The couple were married by Father John Mortiboys, who taught Kate

and her sisters Beth, 19, and Anna, 26, at St Mary and All Saints'

Church of England primary school in the town.

Fr Mortiboys said:"The whole thing was tremendously relaxed and

happy.

'Pressure of success'

"They were trying to keep everything as secret as possible because

you can imagine what it is like in the glare of the publicity all of the

time.

"Since the success of Titanic the family have been under

tremendous strain from the pressure of Kate's success."

Fr Mortiboys said no hymns were sung during the 30-minute service

and the couple exchanged simple and plain wedding rings.

The wedding reception is taking place on a riverboat on the Thames.

------End-------------------------------

(:^)]

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:12:52 +0100

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Whoops! I forgot to add some pics...these are from the KWFC...

Well, Eileene..this must be enougn don't you think?

VERY cute!!

http://www.kwfc.simplenet.com/gallery/wedding/wedding4.jpg

even more cute:

http://www.kwfc.simplenet.com/gallery/wedding/wedding7.jpg

kiss

http://www.kwfc.simplenet.com/gallery/wedding/wedding5.jpg

another kiss

http://www.kwfc.simplenet.com/gallery/wedding/wedding6.jpg

They look EXTREMELY happy...*smiles*

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From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>

Subject: *sniffle* im so happy for her!

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:42:19 -0800 (PST)

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Im just so happy its unbelievable. I mean i woke up yesteday to one of

the best things i could hear! (besides my mum screaming "Kate its Kate

Winslet at the door and she wants to talk to you about moving to london

with her."LMFAO) I am truly happy for her and Jim... Hey if shes happy

im happy!

Love

kate

Homepage: http://alabanza.com/wow/winslet311

aol screen names: KEWFan1994 and KYoungLife

Yahoo Pager name: Winslet311

Icq #: 16851547<hr size=1><b>DO YOU YAHOO!?</b><br>Get your free

@yahoo.com address at <a href="http://mail.yahoo.com">Yahoo!

Mail</a>.<br>

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From: "Leanne McMahon" <leanne.mcmahon@virgin.net>

Subject: Kate got married

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:50:49 -0800

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Okay so I get the list in digest form so I don't know if this has

already

been posted but Kate got married yesterday (Sunday). I'll post details

if no

one else knew about it but I'm sure I wasn't the only one to see it on

the

news yesterday.

-Leanne (another lurker)

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From: G <v@gulati.demon.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:18:28 +0000

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In-Reply-To: <199811231438.GAA12140@lists1.best.com>

In message <199811231438.GAA12140@lists1.best.com>, Eileene Coscolluela

<ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com> writes

>Hio!

>

> I've been hearing about Kate Winslet's marriage non-stop since

>yesterday, but I haven't seen any photographs of the husband.

> Anyone got any links with photographs?

>

>Eileene =)

>iko@woolgathering.net

>www.woolgathering.net

>

Photos are ALL over the British papers. They must be everywhere by now.

Try the Hideous Kinky website cos he's the director.

>

--

G

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From: G <v@gulati.demon.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Photos of the husband?

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:18:28 +0000

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In message <199811231438.GAA12140@lists1.best.com>, Eileene Coscolluela

<ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com> writes

>Hio!

>

> I've been hearing about Kate Winslet's marriage non-stop since

>yesterday, but I haven't seen any photographs of the husband.

> Anyone got any links with photographs?

>

>Eileene =)

>iko@woolgathering.net

>www.woolgathering.net

>

Photos are ALL over the British papers. They must be everywhere by now.

Try the Hideous Kinky website cos he's the director.

>

--

G

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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n997 --------------

001 - Thomas Valentinsen <thoma - Kate's Morocco movie

002 - "Sara Hutchinson Queen of - Re: Kate's Morocco movie

003 - "Linzi Cottrell" <Rose.Da - Re: Kate's Morocco movie

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From: Thomas Valentinsen <thomas@thespicysite.com>

Subject: Kate's Morocco movie

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:55:26 +0100

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Hello,

What is the name of the movie with Kate Winslet that is taking place in

Morocco?

What is her name in the movie?

Has it reached Europe yet?

Regards

Thomas Valentinsen

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From: "Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World, Admirer of Ace"

<u9713911@bournemouth.ac.uk>

Subject: Re: Kate's Morocco movie

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:04:50 GMT

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It's called "Hideous Kinky" based on a novel by Esther Freud. It had

it's UK

premire at the London Film Festival last week on the 17th, and should

be on

nationwide release soon. As for the rest of Europe i don't know, i

suggest

you try the internet movie database http://www.imdb.com

Sara*********8

At 09:55 PM 11/24/98 +0100, you wrote:

>Hello,

>

>What is the name of the movie with Kate Winslet that is taking place in

>Morocco?

>

>What is her name in the movie?

>

>Has it reached Europe yet?

>

>Regards

>Thomas Valentinsen

>***************************************

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From: "Linzi Cottrell" <Rose.Dawson@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Kate's Morocco movie

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:12:40 -0000

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despite having it's premeire at the film festival it is not scheduled

for

release until next year - even in the UK (according to imdb.com and Kate

herself in TV interview).

BTW, it is a GREAT movie! I think it is one you will either love or

hate -

I loved it!

Linzi

Titanic was called the ship of dreams - and it was, it really was.

http://www.btinternet.com/~rose.dawson

-----Original Message-----

From: Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World, Admirer of Ace

<u9713911@bournemouth.ac.uk>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: 25 November 1998 03:07

Subject: Re: Kate's Morocco movie

>It's called "Hideous Kinky" based on a novel by Esther Freud. It had

it's

UK

>premire at the London Film Festival last week on the 17th, and should

be on

>nationwide release soon. As for the rest of Europe i don't know, i

suggest

>you try the internet movie database http://www.imdb.com

>

>Sara*********8

>

>

>At 09:55 PM 11/24/98 +0100, you wrote:

>>Hello,

>>

>>What is the name of the movie with Kate Winslet that is taking place

in

>>Morocco?

>>

>>What is her name in the movie?

>>

>>Has it reached Europe yet?

>>

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001 - RUbabes@aol.com - Hideous Kinky

002 - "Robert Peters" <jirkpete - hideous kinky

003 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Re: Hideous Kinky

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From: RUbabes@aol.com

Subject: Hideous Kinky

Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:44:59 EST

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Just wanted to throw a bit into the pile regarding Kate's next

project...

I was really fortunate to get to see it in the LFF last week and

thought it

was fabulous...a really great thing to look forward to next year. :)

What I've heard as far as release goes...is February for the UK, and

sometime

after for the US. It's a co-production with France...and it's had a

screening

there as well as London...so, I'd imagine that it will be released

around the

same time as the UK in France, if not the whole of Europe.

Happy Thanksgiving...having just come home from almost a month in

England I

feel absolutely bombarded with Americanisms! Grrrr! But, I'm absolutely

content in knowing that I've actually finally got an NZ cut of HC to

keep me

happy!!! :)

-Jesse :)

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From: "Robert Peters" <jirkpeters@mistral.co.uk>

Subject: hideous kinky

Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:13:18 -0000

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Hi, this is James from England.

I saw Kate's new film, Hideous Kinky at the London film festival - it's

really great! But it has been ruined because of kate's marriage to......

to........ HIM!

I'm still in mourning......... : (

James!

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From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>

Subject: Re: Hideous Kinky

Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:47:59 +0100

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Hi Creatures,

At 10:44 26-11-98 EST, you wrote:

>Just wanted to throw a bit into the pile regarding Kate's next

project...

>

>I was really fortunate to get to see it in the LFF last week and

thought it

>was fabulous...a really great thing to look forward to next year. :)

I am definitely looking forward to seeing this film. It'll be nice to

see

Kate in a sort of smaller scale film again.

>What I've heard as far as release goes...is February for the UK, and

sometime

>after for the US. It's a co-production with France...and it's had a

screening

>there as well as London...so, I'd imagine that it will be released

around the

>same time as the UK in France, if not the whole of Europe.

Actually it varies a lot. For instance, I remember seeing Before Sunrise

(1995) in Denmark a few weeks before it opened in the UK and vice versa

with other films. But to quote Meja I guess "it's all about the money"

when

and where they think a market will be potentially open to a certain

film. E

g I think that There's Something About Mary will drawn every other

comedy

opening here the next few weeks.

>Happy Thanksgiving...having just come home from almost a month in

England I

>feel absolutely bombarded with Americanisms! Grrrr! But, I'm absolutely

>content in knowing that I've actually finally got an NZ cut of HC to

keep me

>happy!!! :)

Hey congrats! Wonderful isn't it ? For my part this will be a Sense and

Sensibility Christmas, I will watch it come x-mas time with a few

friends

and a lot of glogg and aebleskiver yum.

Tine

=====================================================

"No voice divine the storm allayed

no light propicious shone

when snatched from all affectual aid

we perished each alone

but I beneath a rougher sea

and whelmed in deeper gulfs than he"

- William Cowper

tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com

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001 - recurring <recurring@yaho - OT: I'm off to NZ tomorrow...

002 - "Paul Bird" <birdp@mira.n - Matricide - The Musical: More info

003 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: Matricide - The Musical: More

info

004 - b <bryanw@666.org> - HeavenlyWeb farewell

005 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

006 - Laurin <englishpatient@ho - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

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From: recurring <recurring@yahoo.com>

Subject: OT: I'm off to NZ tomorrow...

Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:12:57 -0800 (PST)

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Well, tomorrow I leave for NZ.

Only the north island though.. no Christchurch. But I shall have a

nice time I hope.

So goodbye for now. :)

Jane

_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: "Paul Bird" <birdp@mira.net>

Subject: Matricide - The Musical: More info

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:35:56 +1100

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Hi,

Further to my previous message, Citysearch Melbourne has an entry on

Matricide - The Musical at

http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/E/E/MELBO/0003/26/18/

For any Melbourne-based readers: I rung the Malthouse and tickets are

$25

full, $15 concession and tickets are available for all shows this week.

Let

me know if you're interested in going, we might be able to get a group

of HC

fans together and go as a group. Could be fun!

Cheers

Paul

birdp@mira.net

Ph: 9273 4431 (bh)

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: Re: Matricide - The Musical: More info

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 01:14:49 -0200

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> Further to my previous message, Citysearch Melbourne has an entry on

> Matricide - The Musical at

> http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/E/E/MELBO/0003/26/18/

Chora and Impassionata, look at those names... Who are the "infamous

Lice Girls", Paul?

:*

Juliana.

--

_____________________________________________________

Visit The Borovnian Archives!

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/8826

jbastos@usp.br

borovnia@geocities.com

ICQ #5513901

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From: b <bryanw@666.org>

Subject: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:19:50 -0800 (PST)

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Hi,

Due to lack of time (and, sadly, desire, et cetera -- it's been a

long 2 years or so), I've come to the conclusion that HeavenlyWeb

has come to an end.

I was always promising myself that I'd keep updating the site, but

the fact that I kept letting myself down -- and others -- by not

updating this site, was a great disservice. Rather than see this

continue, I have made the tough decision to close the site.

A tip of the hat to everyone else around the world, for their continued

interest, fanaticism and discourse in, of, and about, the mesmerizing,

unforgettable, blissful film, "Heavenly Creatures."

This mailing list shall continue, so long as there is interest, and I

have a server to host it.

Please, no sad goodbyes. There is more reason now, than ever

before, for someone else to put up a "HC" webpage. Good luck, and

thanks for all the support and help I received over the years with

the webpage. I'll never forget this wonderful experience.

thanks,

b

--

b

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:59:53 +0100

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b wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Due to lack of time (and, sadly, desire, et cetera -- it's been a

> long 2 years or so), I've come to the conclusion that HeavenlyWeb

> has come to an end.

Oh no..you can't mean this. What happened to everyone who offered help?

(me included). And please don't throw away all the information you

have...heavenlyweb is fantastic, it was the first page I found on HC.

(The Fourth World had a good 2nd place) Is there really no way you,

we...anyone...can keep this site going?

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: Laurin <englishpatient@home.com>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:06:58 -0500

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Bryan,

This is about my 5th time writing a letter to you, the first was

answered about as rudely as one can imagine, in all caps if I remember

right. I have no doubt that you will surely ignore this email as well.

However, I felt to write for several reasons. You stated in your email

that by not updating the site was a "great disservice" and while I may

believe that, I also believe that taking the site down and putting it

back up as much as you have has been an even GREATER disservice. People

appreciated your page and continued to religiously visit. All you needed

to do to please everyone was move the page to a GeoCities server, or

another server with quite a large bandwidth, set up the site, and leave

it there with a note of no further updates. Everyone would be fine with

this, but apparently you've noted *several times more than neccasary*

that your personal life and time has completely prevented your updating

of the site. I really have to say I don't believe that to be true. Every

American has at least ONE free hour a day, that's the truth. You just

choose not to bother with the site anymore, and that's quitting. The

real gift to us HC lovers would be for you to have never even created

the site, especially since now after such a long time you're dropping

everything and quitting.

You try desperately to compose yourself as some sort of scholarly

gentleman to the list, but I've seen your real side, and it's showing

true now. Quitting must feel very good for you. It is the easiest way

out for you. God forbid anyone else should benefit.

For the last time,

Laurin McNiff

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001 - sulin@snp.com.sg - unsubscribe

002 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

003 - "Paul Bird" <birdp@mira.n - Re: The Infamous Lice Girls

004 - Laurin <englishpatient@ho - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

005 - "LauraBrenneman" <laura@p - Re: unsubscribe

006 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

007 - Sam Habash <the@llama.com - your reply

008 - Ald14hc@aol.com - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

009 - b <bryanw@666.org> - Reply to Lyric

010 - b <bryanw@666.org> - Reply to Laurin

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From: sulin@snp.com.sg

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:58:38 -0200

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Oh my, what's all that??? Ahem, if anyone's interested in my opinions,

here they are.

Well, I really don't understand what's the big deal with updating

HeavenlyWeb, since everything that's there is coherent, has lots of info

already and contains some stuff no one else could be responsible for

(like Mel's letter, for instance). It's already a site with a beginning

and an end, if you understand what I mean. Of course, every webmaster

knows that the idea of a site is to be constantly updated, but that's

not necessarily valid for every occasion. Adam takes care of current

updates and Laurin, me and many others have brought new stuff for

everybody who's interested on HC. As long as the movie exists, there

will be at least someone who's interested in sharing info about it,

that's why I decided to create the Borovnian Archives.

Bryan, don't worry about excuses. People change interests, that's

perfectly normal. As much as you still love HC, it's clear that you

don't want to carry on with that, even because you don't really post

here anymore (yes, I've read some of the old posts). Leaving the site

there the way it is has nothing to do with it, it has a life of its own

now. Just look at your logs, Bryan...

The "great disservice" is really to think that no one values your work

just because it's old stuff. Good for me that one day I sat down in

front of the computer and backed up all your pages. It's just a pity

that the links kept breaking, because you were constantly removing parts

of HeavenlyWeb.

When you put something on the Internet, it's not yours anymore. The

whole world owns it.

:*

Juliana.

--

_____________________________________________________

Visit The Borovnian Archives!

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/8826

jbastos@usp.br

borovnia@geocities.com

ICQ #5513901

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From: "Paul Bird" <birdp@mira.net>

Subject: Re: The Infamous Lice Girls

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:39:58 +1100

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>Chora and Impassionata, look at those names... Who are the "infamous

>Lice Girls", Paul?

I have no idea, so I guess they're not infamous enough for me to have

heard

of them :-)

BTW Juliana, I had a look at your page - nice job! I'll put in an

entry in

the mailing list database - but first I need to see the film again to

decide

on my favourite scene. It's been a while!

Cheers

Paul

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From: Laurin <englishpatient@home.com>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:08:00 -0500

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> Well, I really don't understand what's the big deal with

> updating HeavenlyWeb, since everything that's there is coherent,

> has lots of info already and contains some stuff no one else

> could be responsible for (like Mel's letter, for instance).

I thoroughly agree. I've made quite a few websites in my time on the

net, and I have not yet taken a single page "DOWN" off the net. They're

all there. Though some may not be updated, I would never have the heart

to just wrench them down from public view, because in truth if I

did-someone would be dissapointed.

> It's already a site with a beginning

> and an end, if you understand what I mean. Of course, every webmaster

> knows that the idea of a site is to be constantly updated, but that's

> not necessarily valid for every occasion. Adam takes care of current

> updates and Laurin, me and many others have brought new stuff for

> everybody who's interested on HC. As long as the movie exists, there

> will be at least someone who's interested in sharing info about it,

> that's why I decided to create the Borovnian Archives.

I agree as well. I myself made a fairly large (no longer updateable due

to server

shutdown!) site dedicated to HC. But, to be honest, I wouldn't mind if

Bryan took

the site down, it's just that he's gone from taking it down, to keeping

it up, to

taking it down and so forth. I explained and bestowed my extreme

enchantment with

his site, and to no avail..Bottom line: Make a decision!:)

> Bryan, don't worry about excuses. People change interests, that's

> perfectly normal. As much as you still love HC, it's clear that you

> don't want to carry on with that, even because you don't really post

> here anymore (yes, I've read some of the old posts). Leaving the site

> there the way it is has nothing to do with it, it has a life of its

own

> now. Just look at your logs, Bryan...

That's right, excuses don't matter. However, how many times need they be

uttered?

Once is enough, and it only takes once to understand. The HC fans are an

understanding

bunch! However, what will it hurt to leave the site fully functional and

no longer updated?

Just take 3 hours one day, redo the site, and leave it, with a word of

warning to new members

that they missed the golden days. I personally, would prefer this

alternative as opposed to the "It's down! It's up!" method. As for Bryan

posting, I can tell it's been ages since he

posted anything in his leisure that was positive about he or the site,

and the sad part is:

I've been on this list for a year and a half now. So, this whole thing

has been lingering

far too long.

> The "great disservice" is really to think that no one values your work

> just because it's old stuff. Good for me that one day I sat down in

> front of the computer and backed up all your pages. It's just a pity

> that the links kept breaking, because you were constantly removing

parts

> of HeavenlyWeb.

Of course, everyone values the work of HeavenlyWEB, who wouldn't? It was

THE first HC site,

the first show of dedication and love to the film we all adore. EVERYONE

appreciates it.

And indeed, it IS a pity that the site is (Finally?) going down into the

hell of cancelled pages.

> When you put something on the Internet, it's not yours anymore. The

> whole world owns it.

Indeed this much is true. You make a page for the public to enjoy-not

just yourself. And,

in doing so you consider everyone's opinion rather than giving people a

taste of what might

be, then cruelly snatching it back.

That's just me. Personally I don't see the huge hardship of taking a few

hours to redo the major part of the site so it's somewhat navigable, and

then thrusting it back onto the web

for all to enjoy eternally. Surely more than 3 hours have been spent on

that site already.

Regards,

Laurin

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From: "LauraBrenneman" <laura@pointlomachurch.org>

Subject: Re: unsubscribe

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:54:59 -0000

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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 3:04 AM

Subject: unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>unsubscribe

>

>

>

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:47:00 +0100

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<199811302211.OAA17593@lists1.best.com>

<199812010259.SAA07898@lists1.best.com>

<199812010423.UAA07229@lists1.best.com>

Laurin wrote:

> Just take 3 hours one day, redo the site, and leave it, with a word of

> warning to new members that they missed the golden days.

Yes, please consider this option. It would hopefully be the first time I

can see Heavenlyweb without too much broken links...

At least people will be able to find the place where it all started for

HC-fans, the official home for the mailinglist. For updates we could

always go to one of the other HC-sites.

Too bad I missed the golden days,

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: Sam Habash <the@llama.com>

Subject: your reply

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:13:05 -0800 (PST)

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> Every American has at least ONE free hour a day, that's the truth.

(off of delurking mode, other insensitive remarks excised)

Cut Bryan a break, will you? How he chooses to spend his time is up

to him, and he owes nobody here ANYTHING. You exercised very poor

judgement in your reply if your aim were to get him to change his

mind rather than browbeat him for something he clearly feels he

cannot continue to maintain.

Especially considering the fact that Bryan has repeatedly tried

to get others to continue the work with HeavenlyWeb, but with

apparently much luck. I'll leave him (if he so chooses) to

fill in the details.

In the mean time, it would really be in your interest to retract

your last post and apologize to him.

> You try desperately to compose yourself as some sort of scholarly

> gentleman to the list, but I've seen your real side, and it's showing

> true now. Quitting must feel very good for you. It is the easiest way

> out for you. God forbid anyone else should benefit.

Bryan is one of the most polite, diligent, hardworking people I have

pleasure to meet. I am proud to have him as a coworker and friend,

so I excuse your comments as uninformed and trust you will exercise

good judgement in these matters for the future.

Take care,

--Sam

.llama.com.admin

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From: Ald14hc@aol.com

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:37:23 EST

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I think that is a fair idea, HeavenlyWeb has a lot of good history

infomation

that doesn't necessarily need updating!

~Angie

<< set up the site, and leave

it there with a note of no further updates. Everyone would be fine with

this >>

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From: b <bryanw@666.org>

Subject: Reply to Lyric

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:36:26 -0800 (PST)

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Hi Marloes,

--

Oh no..you can't mean this. What happened to everyone who offered help?

(me included). And please don't throw away all the information you

have...heavenlyweb is fantastic, it was the first page I found on HC.

(The Fourth World had a good 2nd place) Is there really no way you,

we...anyone...can keep this site going?

--

I still have the content archived offline, I think, if anyone wants it

(that is, the pictures, and a few movie clips).

If anyone has a serious desire to provide this content to others, let me

know, and we'll work out details.

thanks,

b

--

b

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From: b <bryanw@666.org>

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:10:23 -0800 (PST)

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To the list:

My sincere apologies you have to witness this. However, I feel

I must respond to Laurin to the list, as she posted her original

complaint to the list. I don't intend to carry this debate further.

Hi Laurin,

Regarding your post (diatribe?) to the list:

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Bryan,

This is about my 5th time writing a letter to you, the first was

answered about as rudely as one can imagine, in all caps if I remember

right. I have no doubt that you will surely ignore this email as well.

However, I felt to write for several reasons. You stated in your email

that by not updating the site was a "great disservice" and while I may

believe that, I also believe that taking the site down and putting it

back up as much as you have has been an even GREATER disservice. People

appreciated your page and continued to religiously visit. All you needed

to do to please everyone was move the page to a GeoCities server, or

another server with quite a large bandwidth, set up the site, and leave

it there with a note of no further updates. Everyone would be fine with

this, but apparently you've noted *several times more than neccasary*

that your personal life and time has completely prevented your updating

of the site. I really have to say I don't believe that to be true. Every

American has at least ONE free hour a day, that's the truth. You just

choose not to bother with the site anymore, and that's quitting. The

real gift to us HC lovers would be for you to have never even created

the site, especially since now after such a long time you're dropping

everything and quitting.

You try desperately to compose yourself as some sort of scholarly

gentleman to the list, but I've seen your real side, and it's showing

true now. Quitting must feel very good for you. It is the easiest way

out for you. God forbid anyone else should benefit.

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If I did respond to you in all caps, at some time in the past,

I apologize. (I don't recall the specific incident, but if you

say it happened, it could have.) This is one of the reasons

why I can't host the website, and solicit feedback -- I don't

have the time or capacity to handle it with the attention and

consideration it deserves.

I wouldn't have even noticed your post to the list, had a friend

of mine not alerted me to it. (I truly *do not* have free time

to participate in this activity any more, as much as that saddens

me. I rarely read the list any longer.)

There were no bandwidth issues, etc. regarding hosting the page.

The only things lacking were time, energy, and a genuine interest

in keeping the site updated. (I'd rather not go into laborious

detail, but I feel you've forced me to, that I may save face in

front of all the Heavenly Creatures folks.)

I'd been updating HeavnelyWeb for 2.5, maybe 3 years. Other

things in my life have taken precedence, to updating a web page.

While I can appreciate the fact that you feel it is a greater

disservice for me to take the site down, and appreciate the veiled

compliment, do keep in mind that this is my decision, and I am

not compelled to keep a site up, just because it would

inconvenience you.

I'm sorry if you feel I have noted "*several times more than

neccasary*" [sic] about my personal life, etc. taking a toll

on my ability to update the site -- but it's true. Sorry

for telling the world about this; I guess it really was

not necessary at all (according to you). As for everyone

having "at least ONE free hour a day," would you be so bold

as to assume I have nothing else to do with that "ONE free

hour a day"? Anyway.

I must respectfully disagree with your deduction that it

would have been better for me to never have hosted the site

at all. I learned much about web design, and gained much

personal reward and a little bit of fame, by placing the

site online. Also, indirectly, my hosting of the site led

me to contact Melanie Lynskey, who graciously wrote back and

let me know what a great person she was, by bestowing a part

of her to me in the form of a personal letter. The site

also brought me in contact with the fabulous Jean Guerin,

and a very kind member of the New Zealand Film Commission,

who very kindly provided press materials and photos from

the movie. Hosting the site was a glorious experience.

I shall never regret -- or forget -- it.

Regarding your last paragraph, which is a personal attack

about "gentlemanly" status and such forth, quitting,

etc.: I am sorry that you think my closing the site

connotes I am a quitter, loser, etc. Instead of focusing

on the negative, perhaps you could be thankful for the time

the site was online. Keep in mind that what I provided

was free. I never charged for it. It was never guaranteed

to be up forever. Please relax.

Quitting does feel good to me, because I no longer have this

personal struggle between work, my time away from work, my

family, and The Website. The Website was sucking up lots of

my time, which was fine in the beginning. However, my life

has changed drastically since then, and, sadly, this means the

site must be closed down.

I really don't understand the tone of your email. What is

your goal? Are you trying to bully me into placing the site

back online? That approach doesn't work with me, and I

doubt it would work with anyone else.

Next time, before sending a letter with that tone, please

follow some advice: Take a break, re-read your letter, and

reconsider whether its contents are genuinely valid and

postworthy. Had you had some personal issue with me (for

whatever reason), I really would have appreciated your

sending it to me privately, rather than sully the list.

Laurin, I don't dislike you, or wish you ill will. However,

I think it is a sad day, indeed, when a person who had hosted a

pretty good website, is publicly vilified by another person,

purely because the person decided he could no longer host a

webpage. I wish you maturity, I wish you understanding, and

I wish you luck.

Respectfully,

b

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b

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001 - hanna bervoets <hanna-b@d - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

002 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

003 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Reply to Laurin

005 - RUbabes@aol.com - Heavenly Web

006 - "Phil West" <pgw16@hermes - Scholars and gentlemen

007 - Laurin <englishpatient@ho - Reply to Bryan(Was Reply to

Laurin) Don't worry, it's positive

008 - Jonathan Sauer <wwi98saue - NZ version of Heavenly Creatures

on video. Where?

009 - "Sara Hutchinson Queen of - Re: NZ version of Heavenly

Creatures on video. Where?

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From: hanna bervoets <hanna-b@dds.nl>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:40:59 +0100

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If the site is down, how are "new" HC fans gonna find this list?? On

the 4th

world site it just says something like "Check H.web, for details about

how

to become a member of the list" So, some other site is gonna have to

copy

the mailinglist section of HeavenlyWeb, 'cause I just now there will be

more

people wanting to become a member .

Just thought I'd notice….

Hanna

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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:09:53 -0500

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Laurin,

> You stated in your email

> that by not updating the site was a "great disservice" and while I may

> believe that, I also believe that taking the site down and putting it

> back up as much as you have has been an even GREATER disservice.

Foremost, I don't think anyone is obligated to keep a site up

unless

you are company and are doing something for-profit.

Plus, I don't agree with this statement. I think that if you're

not

going to keep a site reasonably updated (once a month or so), then it

shouldn't be up in the first place. I do MAKE time for my website (to

keep

things atleast monthly updated). I stick to that general principle as a

web developer (both professionally and as a hobby).

> Every

> American has at least ONE free hour a day, that's the truth.

I WISH this could be true.

I wish I had ONE free hour each day.

No.

My online journal remains untouched since the middle of this month

and

I wish I could keep it updated *every day* (which I could with ONE FREE

HOUR).

I wish I had one free hour a day to work on it, but I don't.

Between

commuting to work (two+ hours commuting each day, where I do work on the

bus), putting in atleast an 8 hour day, typically 10 hours, coming home

and

eating, giving quality time to my partner (I'm sorry but my partner and

my

family come before *ANY* website), etc... well, I just don't have the

time

to update my website. Not all Americans are glued to the television

set (I

am very happy to have the one and a half hours on sunday to watch the

X-files and That 70s Show, which is the *only* television that I watch

regularly these days). My journal and website upkeep occur on

Saturdays...

but I wish I had more time as well. I write articles and do research

for

Metajournals.

A good friend once told me that people MAKE time for things that

they

find important. I'm sorry but my family and my work go before my

personal

website. Those two things are more important. Things like hobbies get

pushed out of the way, and understandably so.

I find the generalization that every American has atleast one free

hour a day insulting to me, a definite type A workaholic (and a proud

American).

> You just

> choose not to bother with the site anymore, and that's quitting. The

> real gift to us HC lovers would be for you to have never even created

> the site, especially since now after such a long time you're dropping

> everything and quitting.

I'm not Bryan but if someone said that to me, implying that I

wasn't a

lover of HC, I would be extremely offended.

Just because I don't have all the time in the world doesn't mean

that

I don't love something just as much as you do. I just have different

priorities. The fact that Bryan spent his time and money to keep up a

BEAUTIFUL site for three years is a wonderful thing (and to be

completely

frank, the HC website was the most beautiful site around in those

days...

the fact that the site design doesn't need to change over the years and

still remain beautiful relative to other websites is testament to the

genius web designer behind it and I applaud bryan as a fellow website

designer and developer). The web is a dynamic creature. It changes,

sites

go away and are manifested again in other forms. For the three years

that

his site was up, it was a wonderful resource.. but things have to change

and move on. Other things become more important to us in life, and

that is

completely understandable.

I want to formally thank Bryan for keeping the website up for so

long.

I loved HC when I first saw it and Bryan's website was the first site I

saw

devoted to the movie. It created a community (like this listserv) for

HC

people to come together many years ago (without it, I'm not sure if we

would have come together. I like Kate Winslet's material, but I'm not

into

joining a listserv devoted to one actor and am currently not a member of

the kw list). There are people that appreciate the genius that was

required to put up the site when it was needed, to serve as a beacon for

HC-lovers everywhere, and has been the point where we have rallied

together

for so long.

Now, that point has to go away, but that doesn't diminish the

wonderful serve that Bryan has provided for so long. I'd like to have

his

leaving to not be a sad one, like Paul and Juliet's. It should be a

happy

bon voyage.. off to other shores and other movies. Perhaps we shall

meet

again in the great tapestry of life (cheeze cheeze cheeze). This knot

of

HC loveliness shall come together maybe in movie-X. Or event-Y. It's

been

a great show. Thanks Bryan. =)

Eileene =)

iko@woolgathering.net

www.woolgathering.net

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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:12:23 -0500

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Hanna wrote:

> If the site is down, how are "new" HC fans gonna find this list??

Simple.

Someone can put up a site that will have information on how to sign up

for

the list.'

I volunteer to keep that information up on a site on my domain, if no

one

else would like the responsibility and if someone (Bryan?) can send me

the

information for subscribing and unsubscibing to the list (it's been so

long

that I've been on it, I've forgotten!).

Eileene =)

iko@woolgathering.net

www.woolgathering.net/mindsi/

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: Reply to Laurin

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:30:46 -0500

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b wrote:

>I'm sorry if you feel I have noted "*several times more than

>neccasary*" [sic] about my personal life, etc. taking a toll

>on my ability to update the site -- but it's true. Sorry

>for telling the world about this; I guess it really was

>not necessary at all (according to you). As for everyone

>having "at least ONE free hour a day," would you be so bold

>as to assume I have nothing else to do with that "ONE free

>hour a day"? Anyway.

I must agree here. I also have free time but not enough to do

everything

I have to do. I myself have not had time to redo my site. Sometimes

life

has a way of forcing you to prioritize and even things that should take

priority get pushed back.

I understand Bryan's dilemma. Now, somebody else could take the page

files and move them and update them. Or, in much the way the FAQ has

found a new home with Adam, so can Heavenly Web be assimilated by

another

site.

Best of luck in all your endeavours, Bryan. Hope you life will sort

itself out. Thanks again for all you've done.

And don't be a stranger. Do drop us a line from time to time.

(:^)]

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From: RUbabes@aol.com

Subject: Heavenly Web

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:22:45 EST

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Although I'm sorry to see it go, and hope someone may salvage the site

and

keep some of it running, I want to extend thanks to Bryan for running

Heavenly

Web as long as he has. It was the first site I visited regularly on the

internet...along with being the first site for HC and/or Kate that I

came to

know.

I think it's a little rude to attack a webmaster for wanting to take

down a

site, or for not having the time to keep it going regularly. Really,

Bryan

doesn't owe any of us anything...it's his site, and he can do with it

what he

pleases. He obviously has other priorities to take care of, and running

a

website doesn't fall into play with those priorities anymore. We can

complain

about it going away...but, I don't think it's right to personally

attack the

person who runs a site for not having the time to keep it up. He

obviously has

personal reasons that keep him from the site...they are personal, and he

doesn't owe us any more of an explanation than that. We should be

grateful for

the service it's provided while it has.

I hope I'm not starting any kind of war...that's not my aim. If personal

promises and such were made and then broken, that's another story. But,

this

is the internet - not a paying job or family or anything even remotely

as

important in the grand scheme of things. People have reasons for not

being

able to keep up responsibilities, and we have to respect that.

Thanks again, Bryan, for the site. I think it's fabulous...and you

certainly

provided a lot of people with a great source of info.

-Jesse :)

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From: "Phil West" <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Subject: Scholars and gentlemen

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:20:50 +0000

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> You try desperately to compose yourself as some sort of scholarly

> gentleman to the list, but I've seen your real side, and it's showing

> true now.

Excerpt from Canterbury College records, 6/5/53: Dr West defends the

college

against vilification on account of its supposed composition of a

'scholarly'

manner and possession of a 'true side'.

"As a scholarly gentleman myself, I feel I must take a moment here to

defend

Brian, Dr Hulme, Dr Medlicott and my learned friends and esteemed

colleagues

on the Canterbury College Council.

The seriousness of this accusation cannot pass without comment, in my

not

inconsiderable estimation, for, given the gravitas with which,

undoubtedly,

this august body must, and does, continue to esteem, nurture and govern

the

generation, refinement and dissemination of scholarly opinion and

learning

(nay, to uphold the very pillars of society itself, which would

otherwise

crumble into dust and be blown to the four winds), and given, too, the

refined sensibility which governs and protects its operation in this

day and

age, when learning comes under increasing attack from the 'popular

arts' and

MTV culture, not to mention the assaults of cinema and gramaphone

recordings; given these things, then, and the many other factors with

which

I must dispense here for fear of distracting from my main topic here

today,

I say to you that any attempt to criticize, vilify, assault, reject,

damn,

coerce, entrap, disdain, foment, or otherwise cause actual or partial

pain

to this august body will not be allowed to pass without severe frowning.

Particularly upsetting is the idea that we of the gown possess a real

side.

As everybody knows, we are totally superficial, having nothing beneath

an

outer layer of pedantry and guff. Ask any Oxbridge man what he keeps

beneath his gown and he will smile, with that secret smile that only a

true

scholar possesses, and say - nothing. For he knows that some day his

interlocutor will learn what all must some day discover amid the rubble

of

life: that the scholar needs no underpants, and that learning goes

naked,

like a new born babe, under the mother's gown."

OK, coming back to the real world for a sec.

Brian! Thanks for the only website I'll probably ever remember; it was

amazing.

Perhaps someone will take it on, if so good; but come on folks, it's

not the

end of the world if it has to go down. It doesn't change how good HC

is,

and there will certainly be other HC-related webpages in the future.

Things

change, after all.

For folk to put a rubric for how to join the mailing list on their

websites

seems an easy and uncontentious solution; I'd say that Adam's 4th World

is

the most important place for that to go. (sorry to put you in a spot,

Adam).

Felicitous and scholarly solicitations to you all!

Phil

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From: Laurin <englishpatient@home.com>

Subject: Reply to Bryan(Was Reply to Laurin) Don't worry, it's positive.

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References: <199812011611.IAA28156@lists1.best.com>

> If I did respond to you in all caps, at some time in the past,

> I apologize. (I don't recall the specific incident, but if you

> say it happened, it could have.) This is one of the reasons

> why I can't host the website, and solicit feedback -- I don't

> have the time or capacity to handle it with the attention and

> consideration it deserves.

Indeed, the letter was quite personal and quite nasty, I had also sent

several other letters offering to help out or take over with

whatever maintenance was needed on HCWEB-all were ignored. Saying that

you

cannot host a site in part because you cannot handle a right way to

respond isn't quite relevant-if that were the case why start a web

site? Not having the time is different, it's understandable. I stated

in my previous letter that everyone has at least one free hour a day

and of course I meant it, however if you truly do not have that time,

then so be it. However, I think a suggestion you should take into

serious consideration would be to spend a few hours rejuvenating the

beautiful site (yes, it is beautiful, I have tirelessly stated so on

more than one occasion) and leaving it online for all to enjoy, with

a note indicating no further updates. That way the site lives on, and

without personal interference.

> I wouldn't have even noticed your post to the list, had a friend

> of mine not alerted me to it. (I truly *do not* have free time

> to participate in this activity any more, as much as that saddens

> me. I rarely read the list any longer.)

Exactly my previous points pertaining to the email. None of my letters

were answered except one-one that was full of praise for your site,

responded in such a manner I would have thought you no older than 13.

However, that's in the past. What truly annoyed me was the fact that

HeavenlyWeb has been on and off the air so much! And, here we are again,

wishing good-bye to a site we would much rather keep-again. It's quite

like crying wolf, is it or is it not TRULY going? And, I stress, not

having time is quite acceptable and understandable, it's just that you

seem so utterly quick to drop everything, everything that you yourself

has stated is a 3 year in the making journey.

> There were no bandwidth issues, etc. regarding hosting the page.

> The only things lacking were time, energy, and a genuine interest

> in keeping the site updated. (I'd rather not go into laborious

> detail, but I feel you've forced me to, that I may save face in

> front of all the Heavenly Creatures folks.)

This is fine. Not having time or energy or genuine interest is to be

expected from every webmaster at some point in time, but why not hear

out keeping the site alive? Why not devote several hours to restoring it

and placing it back into it's glorious throne again on the web? Would

you purchase an old, historic home, restore it, and then leave it to rot

claiming lack of energy? I certainly wouldn't, I'd at least repaint it,

and polyurethane it before letting it be condemned. It's just a

suggestion, one that the majority of the list hopes be taken in

consideration.

> I'd been updating HeavnelyWeb for 2.5, maybe 3 years. Other

> things in my life have taken precedence, to updating a web page.

> While I can appreciate the fact that you feel it is a greater

> disservice for me to take the site down, and appreciate the veiled

> compliment, do keep in mind that this is my decision, and I am

> not compelled to keep a site up, just because it would

> inconvenience you.

Certainly. Other things will do that, and it's to be expected. I have

kept in mind that this is "your decision". No one else could make the

decision. However, when you create a stunning page FOR the people to

enjoy, why take away such a brilliant gift without first taking

suggestions into consideration? "Inconveniencing" the HC web community

isn't what this is about-it's about not depleting a wondrous page, one

that certainly everyone enjoys and would much rather see it live on,

than removed altogether. However, if it pains you that much to

"convenience" us, then do take the site down.

> I'm sorry if you feel I have noted "*several times more than

> neccasary*" [sic] about my personal life, etc. taking a toll

> on my ability to update the site -- but it's true. Sorry

> for telling the world about this; I guess it really was

> not necessary at all (according to you). As for everyone

> having "at least ONE free hour a day," would you be so bold

> as to assume I have nothing else to do with that "ONE free

> hour a day"? Anyway.

No one said you had "nothing else to do" with that "ONE free hour a day"

And, no one said your personal life was worthless. I admit my words were

rather harsh and not too well put, but keep in mind, a rather nasty "not

thought out" email was sent to me not too long ago, and the sender was

you. Now when I choose to address several issues in a non angelic way, I

get blasted for it by a friend of yours. I am not saying you are a liar,

and I'm not "bullying you" into keeping a site-I'm just fiercely trying

to address several points that I feel must be made. We are certainly

very alike in that respect.

> Hosting the site was a glorious experience.

> I shall never regret -- or forget -- it.

I agree. No one that adores HC will forget it. Which is all the more

reason

to attempt to convince you to leave HeavenlyWen ON the web. Not just for

convenience, but to keep those memories alive and to pass them on to new

HC

fans. That should be understandable.

> Regarding your last paragraph, which is a personal attack

> about "gentlemanly" status and such forth, quitting,

> etc.: I am sorry that you think my closing the site

> connotes I am a quitter, loser, etc. Instead of focusing

> on the negative, perhaps you could be thankful for the time

> the site was online. Keep in mind that what I provided

> was free. I never charged for it. It was never guaranteed

> to be up forever. Please relax.

Indeed I am thankful for the site and it's time online, however, I

already

addressed this to you in a letter that was rather long and well thought,

you

chose to tell me to "bugger off" in a sense, a rather rude "sense" it

was.

I'm not complaining about your site, you as a person or anything else.

I'm

merely firmly debating your decision to "remove" HCWEB. You may do as

you wish

with the site, as it is on your server, etc, but do know alot of fans

will be

crushed, and that a decent suggestion is to rejuvenate it for lost time.

I

realize it was never meant to be forever, but it turned out to be a

gift, and

why take away a gift? I am relaxed, I was before.

> Quitting does feel good to me, because I no longer have this

> personal struggle between work, my time away from work, my

> family, and The Website. The Website was sucking up lots of

> my time, which was fine in the beginning. However, my life

> has changed drastically since then, and, sadly, this means the

> site must be closed down.

Then that is quite sad. As I stated, more than enough before, I realize

your life has interfered, and that's to be expected. However, just

because

you no longer have the time to update it any longer, does not need to

translate to"Take it down!" It COULD be translated to "Make it last

without

the strain of time", if you really wanted that. Somehow I believe you

no

longer want HCWEB to be a part of the HC fan's web life. And if that's

the

case, more than enough of us will be dreadfully dissapointed.

> I really don't understand the tone of your email. What is

> your goal? Are you trying to bully me into placing the site

> back online? That approach doesn't work with me, and I

> doubt it would work with anyone else.

Not at all. Bullying isn't my style. In fact, it repulses me.

My goal was to address the fact that people DO love your site,

and that it WAS a gift, and that people WILL be angry that you're

(finally?) taking the site down. I was merely making my points known

perhaps they were not nicely put, perhaps they were not sugar coated,

but let's remember, your email to ME was not either. That may sound

petty, but, it's true-who's to deem me mature when the same was done

to me not too long ago? "Relax." you said. I was perfectly calm when

writing that email, if I wasn't I could have said worse. But, I

restrained

my "tone" to "painfully blunt" and while I realize it ended up being

sent

to the whole list, it's original intent was NOT to go to the list, I

sent it

without thinking, and so the whole list read my comments-perhaps it was

for the better, for I'm sure if it had not gone to the list, you would

not

even reply, and you said so yourself. Also, this list is a community,

and

I have nothing to hide, especially my feelings and ideas.

> Next time, before sending a letter with that tone, please

> follow some advice: Take a break, re-read your letter, and

> reconsider whether its contents are genuinely valid and

> postworthy. Had you had some personal issue with me (for

> whatever reason), I really would have appreciated your

> sending it to me privately, rather than sully the list.

"Practice what you preach." I could say. You clearly had not done

the same while addressing me. And, I however did. While I admit *again*

it was not the nicest email in the world, it was not in any way

attempting

to defray what honors you've done, and what excellence you've achieved

on the HeavenlyWEB, it was merely my points addressed rather bluntly.

My sincere apologies to the list-and Bryan, if this was taken

"personally".

It was not my intent.

> Laurin, I don't dislike you, or wish you ill will. However,

> I think it is a sad day, indeed, when a person who had hosted a

> pretty good website, is publicly vilified by another person,

> purely because the person decided he could no longer host a

> webpage. I wish you maturity, I wish you understanding, and

> I wish you luck.

Vilified? I don't agree. I was not pleased, and it showed in my email,

other than that, no permanent damage was *or should have been* done.

Of course it is a sad day, you're removing the first HC page ever to

grace the web, and perhaps you should agree-maybe another step can

be taken to avoid crushing the hearts of websurfing HC fans, not

excluding

the ones that so religiously post to this list(also created generously

by you).

I in turn, wish you the same, as we both need every ounce of it at

times.

My last, and final comments: Do think about this decision you've come to

determine. There is another solution, and I can only hope that you

somehow

consider it.

Sincerest Regards,

Laurin

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From: Jonathan Sauer <wwi98sauer@wi.ba-karlsruhe.de>

Subject: NZ version of Heavenly Creatures on video. Where?

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:45:52 +0200

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About six month ago I first watched the movie "Heavenly Creatures" and

imediately fell under its spell. I watched it in the german synchronized

version, though (I'm living in Germany). Now I'm looking for the

original

(english) version of HC, but at no shop it seems to be able to purchase

the NZ version.

Has anybody any hints where I can buy the english full-length NZ

version of

Heavenly Creatures?

With many thanks in advance,

Jonathan Sauer

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From: "Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World, Admirer of Ace"

<u9713911@bournemouth.ac.uk>

Subject: Re: NZ version of Heavenly Creatures on video. Where?

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:38:16 GMT

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I'd suggest going to the 4th world HC website (i can't remember the

addy)

and mailing Adam, coz he knows someone who could get you a copy of the

NZ

cut. I speak from experiance, and am a very satified customer! :)

Sara**********

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Date:

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001 - Anthony Temple <anthony@n - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Midday again!

003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E. has

an audio problem!!!

004 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E. has

an audio problem!!!

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From: Anthony Temple <anthony@ns.ASARian.org>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:31:59 -0500 (EST)

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I have lurked on this list almost from its inception, and break my

silence

only after considerable thought.

Along with everyone, I was delighted to find HeavenlyWeb. It is, indeed,

one of the finest sites I have ever had the pleasure to visit. I was

sorry

to see its slow dismantling and now, it seems, departure.

I did find meself wondering why could not the site simply be kept in

place

-- if bandwidth and expenditure are not issues -- with a notice stating

"This site will no longer be maintained". This is quite standard

procedure

by webmasters for whom life has intervened, preventing further work on

the

site. It is clear that the site contains far too much in the way of

graphics and information to allow it to be transferred to one of the

freeweb services such as Angelfire.

It is also clear that the site contains much in the way of emotional

reinforcement and practical as well as entertaining information for

people

newly discovering "Heavenly Creatures". As such, its removal from the

web

is unfortunate.

On my personal homepage, I have carried a link to both HeavenlyWeb and

the

Fourth World website, and shall continue to do so. If HeavenlyWeb is

indeed removed from the web, I shall post information as to how to

subscribe to this mailing list.

I am deeply grateful to Bryan for providing HeavenlyWeb and for this

mailing list. I wish him the best of luck in his future endeavours, and

hope that he will continue occasionally to keep in touch with us.

Anthony Temple

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Midday again!

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:26:15 -0500

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Well, they're not hiring me officially but they seem to like me...

For all you Canadians lurking out there, I'll be part of Midday's

"Entertainment Week in Review again tomorrow and next week (Friday Dec

4

& 11).

Tomorrow's topics will include the "Psycho" remake and Mick Jagger's

marital woes.

Midday is a current affairs/ information program that airs at Noon on

CBC

TV (Canada's national network).

(:^)]

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E. has an audio problem!!!

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:16:43 GMT

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Found this in alt.video.laserdisc:

<quote>

He mentioned something during the documentary about some extras for

the Heavenly Creatures laserdisc. I think it was "we'll save that for

the Heavenly Creatures laserdisc". It seemed as if he was hinting

toward a special edition on laserdisc.

>>I loved every minute of the 4 (4 and a half give or take) hour

>>documentary, lots of interesting things were pointed out, and the

bloopers

>>were more than note worthy (Doc...uh Judge.. oh jesus I did it again).

>>Im glad this disc came out the way it did, I wonder if Peter was just

>>joking about the Hevenly Creatures Laserdisc...

>

>What did he say about Heavenly Creatures? Those of us who are

>anal-retentive-obsessive on this particular film would like to

know.... :-)

</quote>

--

jeroen - the netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

they want to simplify your needs and likes

to sterilize you (c) sleater-kinney

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E. has an audio problem!!!

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:16:44 GMT

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Found this in alt.video.laserdisc:

<quote>

> >I loved every minute of the 4 (4 and a half give or take) hour

> >documentary, lots of interesting things were pointed out, and the

bloopers

> >were more than note worthy (Doc...uh Judge.. oh jesus I did it

again).

> >Im glad this disc came out the way it did, I wonder if Peter was just

> >joking about the Hevenly Creatures Laserdisc...

>

> What did he say about Heavenly Creatures? Those of us who are

> anal-retentive-obsessive on this particular film would like to

know.... :-)

Peter Jackson said that he likes to have a "fun day" on the set of

whatever movie he's shooting at the time.

On The Frighteners it was a day when the crew were dressed in period

costume, which they wore for the old newsreel footage scene of the

hospital massacre.

On Heavenly Creatures it was a day when everyone on set was in drag,

guys as gals & gals as guys. Transvestites in...emm, I don't know what

:-)

He said there was some pretty good footage of the "drag day" lying

around, which would be fun to put in an SE of Heavenly Creatures at

some point. I don't think he was 100% serious about the SE though :-(

FWIW I think that Heavenly Creatures is a much better movie than The

Frighteners. But that's another story...

</quote>

--

jeroen - the netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

they want to simplify your needs and likes

to sterilize you (c) sleater-kinney

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Date:

Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:10:18 -0800 (PST)

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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E.

has an audio problem!!!

002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E.

has an audio problem!!!

003 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - About removal of

HeavenlyWeb/mailing list info

004 - "Adam Abrams" <adamabr@he - New home for mailing list info;

comment on HeavenlyWeb demise

005 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E.

has an audio problem!!!

006 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Mel's new movie!

007 - Zoe C Woodworth <zcw+@and - Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

008 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - HeavenlyWeb didn't die!

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E. has an audio problem!!!

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:50:51 -0500

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jeroen wrote:

>FWIW I think that Heavenly Creatures is a much better movie than The

>Frighteners. But that's another story...

Peter is proud of the job he did directing "Frighteners".But Fran told

me

when they were preparing it that it was just "A bubblegum action flick".

They had written it for Zemeckis but didn't expect to shoot it. Then,

after winning the Oscar for Forrest Gump, Zemeckis had his pick of who

to

get as a director so he offered it to Peter. Peter's main reason for

doing the film was that it offered him (and his FX buddy Richard

Taylor)

a chance to work with Rick Baker.

(:^)]

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E. has an audio problem!!!

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:56:44 -0500

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jeroen wrote:

>Peter Jackson said that he likes to have a "fun day" on the set of

>whatever movie he's shooting at the time.

Peter remains the most fun director I've worked with. My first day of

shooting was also the day he did his cameo and he had the most fun

walking around coughing and being disgusting.

On the day I shot the "Third Man" stuff, we went off to see the footage

and when we walked back on set I had the gun in his back. Then I

whipped

it next to his head and wrapped my arm around him and announced some

"changes" in the film. For starters, it would now be entitled "Orson

Welles- The Life Story".

(:^)]

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From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>

Subject: About removal of HeavenlyWeb/mailing list info

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:44:32 +0100

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Hi Creatures,

I just want to say that if I can help I'd be happy to put up the mailing

list info about how to subscribe/unsubscribe on my tiny Kate Winslet

page (

http://www.angelfire.com/ak/bridehead ), so we can keep getting more

creatures on the list. But Brian you can contact me if I can help :)

Cheers,

*Passer borovnia*

=====================================================

"No voice divine the storm allayed

no light propicious shone

when snatched from all affectual aid

we perished each alone

but I beneath a rougher sea

and whelmed in deeper gulfs than he"

- William Cowper

tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com

=====================================================

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From: "Adam Abrams" <adamabr@helix.net>

Subject: New home for mailing list info; comment on HeavenlyWeb demise

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:34:57 -0800

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Hi all,

>For folk to put a rubric for how to join the mailing list on their

websites

>seems an easy and uncontentious solution; I'd say that Adam's 4th

World is

>the most important place for that to go. (sorry to put you in a spot,

Adam).

It's no spot at all, Phil... I believe I've already done just that.

Since

Bryan's site seemed to be up and down a lot, I figured I should just

put all

the information right there on my site. (Plus the UNSUBSCRIBE info for

those

who never seemed to have it when they needed it...)

On another hot topic, I feel bad about the "demise" of Bryan's site

too...

and I offered to fold it into mine.... but he seems determined to put

it to

bed for good. I may repeat my offer, but I have a feeling B's made his

decision, alas. I'll keep you posted of course, if he changes his mind!

Adam

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: My FRIGHTNERS S.E. has an audio problem!!!

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:20:45 GMT

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References: <199812040403.UAA21411@lists1.best.com>

In-Reply-To: <199812040403.UAA21411@lists1.best.com>

On Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:50:51 -0500, "E. Jean Guerin"

<orson@videotron.ca> wrote:

>jeroen wrote:

>

>>FWIW I think that Heavenly Creatures is a much better movie than The

>>Frighteners. But that's another story...

Actually i didn't write that i just quoted somebody in

alt.video.laserdisc.

>Peter is proud of the job he did directing "Frighteners".

He should be. I didn't care much for it after my first viewing but

after a few times it really grows on you.

Think i'm gonna remove the shrinkwrap of that SE tonight and scan the

commentary for more HC references.

--

jeroen - the netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

they want to simplify your needs and likes

to sterilize you (c) sleater-kinney

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: Mel's new movie!

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:25:56 -0200

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Those of you who got the news from Mark Kines at Mel's Yahoo Fan Club

already know of her next role on Detroit Rock City, a movie about and

with the band KISS. Until now we didn't have other news on that except

for Mark's note, but today I checked out www.kissasylum.com and they

have a new article that confirms Mel's role. It's on IMDB noo, too.

FILMING

1978 KISS CONCERT for DETROIT ROCK CITY

Thursday, December 3 - Copps Coliseum: 6:30 - 11:30 p.m.

No unreserved admittance. To reserve your space call 1-877-663-6646

Detroit Rock City is the story of four teenaged boys - Edward Furlong

(American History X, Pecker), Guiseppe Andrews

(Independence Day), Sam Huntington (Jungle2Jungle) and newcomer James De

Bello - whose quest to see KISS in concert is

thwarted by a vigilant, ultra-religious mom, but only long enough to

send them scrambling through a series of impish

misadventures that usher them in to manhood and, ultimately, Cobo Hall,

where they finally bask in the glow of their idols. The

film also stars Natasha Lyonne (The Slums of Beverly Hills), Lin Shaye

(Something About Mary), Melanie Lynskey (Ever

After) and Shannon Tweed (No Contest). A "sweet, kind of edgy adventure

comedy with KISS," this coming-of-age story

indeed seems to have it all, and Hamilton is, in the words of associate

producer Tim Sullivan, " the gold at the end of the

rainbow."

BTW, it seems that they're casting extras frequently for the film (you

missed that chance yesterday...) so it's good for you American creatures

to keep checking.

The full article is at

http://www.kissasylum.com/news/Viewmag_article12298.shtml. No other news

on Mel there, though.

:*

Juliana.

--

_____________________________________________________

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From: Zoe C Woodworth <zcw+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Subject: Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:30:56 -0500 (EST)

References: <199812011713.JAA27779@lists1.best.com>

In-Reply-To: <199812011713.JAA27779@lists1.best.com>

Well, with the departure of HeavenlyWeb, I think I'm finally going to

depart from he heavenly-c mailing list. I've been thinking of

unsubscribing for a while... my heavenly creatures obsession (circa

1995) that led me to this subscribe to this list has finally burned down

to a devoted fondness.

Excerpts from HC: 1-Dec-98 Re: HeavenlyWeb farewell by E.

Coscolluela@kinderhoo

> I volunteer to keep that information up on a site on my domain, if no

one

> else would like the responsibility and if someone (Bryan?) can send

me the

> information for subscribing and unsubscibing to the list (it's been

so long

> that I've been on it, I've forgotten!).

>

I've forgotten too...and since Bryan's site is down, the info on

unsubscribing is currently unavailiable. can someone give me a tip? It's

funny, all these years we've gotten so many irritating "unsubscribe"

messages to this list ("bloody fools...") and now here I am, posting

one. Heh. ;)

- Z o e

who will never walk alone

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: HeavenlyWeb didn't die!

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:48:47 -0200

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Hey creatures! Good news!

I've exchanged a couple of messages with Bryan and he let me use his

material as a special section of the Borovnian Archives. I won't change

anything there, and I hope we'll fix some broken links too. Just a small

warning, though: I'll just have time to do that after next Thursday. I'm

terribly busy right now, but things are gonna calm down later, so I hope

to sit down and put it all back online then. Sort of a Christmas gift...

hahaha, just joking!

I'm so glad to tell you this! Hope you like the news :)

:*

Juliana.

--

_____________________________________________________

Visit The Borovnian Archives!

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