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001 - Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis - Re: photo's....

002 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: pics of the creatures... :-)

003 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: photo's....

004 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: photo's....

005 - Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfo - Re: photo's....(quite long)

006 - StarScully@aol.com - Re: Regarding the Heavenly

Creatures list...

007 - Ald14hc@aol.com - Member info

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From: Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis.net>

Subject: Re: photo's....

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:14:06 -0700

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>In the beginning of this year I started an inquiry among the fellow

creatures on

>this list. That contained the following headings:

>e-mail - topgun@mail.ocis.net

>name - Courtney Babcock

>gender - Female

>location - Canada

>age - 17

>occupation - student

>favoured films/tv - Heavenly Creatures, Mad Love, Grease, Dawson's

Creek,

Seinfeld, ER

>favoured music - anything

>other interests - writing, sports, acting, laughing

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From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: pics of the creatures... :-)

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:15:33 -0700 (PDT)

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if you want to see me.. ugh ugly me... check my page out <a

href="http://alabanza.com/wow/winslet311"> Winslet311's Site </a>

love

Kate

<br>

Love Kate

X

**I take my Kate Winslet obsession to the extreme!**

**Like it or lump it** **Life is not a dress rehearsal**

**Hello!...Im a smoker!** **Cheer up! All the best people have bad

chest and bone diseases..... its all frightfully romantic!** ** I have

dedicated 4 years of my life to this woman and I dont intend to stop

now or ever!**<hr size=1><b>DO YOU YAHOO!?</b><br>Get your free

@yahoo.com address at <a href="http://mail.yahoo.com">Yahoo!

Mail</a>.<br>

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From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>

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e-mail- winslet311@yahoo.com or winslet311@hto.net

name- Kate McFarland

gender- female

location- Hermitage Pennsylvania USA

age- 15

occupation- student

favoured films/tv- Heavenly Creatures, Sense and Sensibility, Jude,

Wildthings, The Craft, Now and hen, Sound of Music, so many more... ER

favoured music- i love all music

other interests- acting, singing, drawing, painting, computers, Kate

Winslet, Melanie Lynskey, Smashing Pumpkins, Tori Amos, etc etc!

==

Love Kate

X

**I take my Kate Winslet obsession to the extreme!**

**Like it or lump it** **Life is not a dress rehearsal**

**Hello!...Im a smoker!** **Cheer up! All the best people have bad

chest and bone diseases..... its all frightfully romantic!** ** I have

dedicated 4 years of my life to this woman and I dont intend to stop

now or ever!**

_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: photo's....

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:41:20 +0100

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>>In the beginning of this year I started an inquiry among the fellow

>creatures on

>>this list. That contained the following headings:

>

e-mail - kleinjan@btinternet.com

name - Alisha

gender - Female

location - Liverpool

age - 16

occupation - film studies student

favoured films/tv - Heavenly Creatures, any tear-jerker, The X Files,

Friends, Red Dwarf, Ally McBeal, Men Behaving Badly

other interests - music, movies, writing, reading, chocolate.

photo: http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/moi.gif

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

Subject: Re: photo's....(quite long)

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:34:17 -0400

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I know you are all dying to read this ;) (the wink and rather sarcastic

tone indicates just the opposite...just in case you were wondering)

e-mail- hrabec@bigfoot.com

name- Ryan Hrabec

gender- Male (at least I sincerely hope so)

location- Ontario, Canada

age- 16

occupation- Student

favoured films/tv- Heavenly Creatures, (It's a wonderful film, you all

should see it sometime ;) Jude, Sense & Sensibility, Titanic (please

don't kill me) Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, anything Monty Python,

Kalifornia, Natural Born Killers, The Unbearable Lightness of Being,

Boxing Helena, Menace II Society, Once Were Warriors. There's lots more.

(I know, it's all over the place, but I watch Showcase a lot. Showcase

is a Canadian network that shows a lot of foreign and independent films.

Showcase is where I first saw HC. Showcase is what introduced me to

Kate. HC is in the commercials for the Showcase Revue. Sarah Pierse is

in the commercials for Water Rats. Kate's Sister Beth's BBC Miniseries,

The Scold's Bridle was shown on Showcase. HC will be shown again on

Showcase, as it has already been shown twice and will undoubtedly be

shown again. I love Showcase.) TV: Don't watch much (except for

Showcase), but I love the original Who's' Line is it Anyway? and Open

Mike with Mike Bullard, and other various shows.

favoured music- (Again, all over the place) Nirvana, Metallica, Creed,

Rammstein, Smashing Pumpkins, Matthew Good Band, The Tea Party, Foo

Fighters, Green Day, Barenaked Ladies, Our Lady Peace, I Mother Earth,

Tragically Hip, Sloan. I also absolutely adore the Jude Soundtrack.

(probably more than all the Rock stuff) The Titanic STs are excellent

too. I love the HC ST, even though I don't have it. If I had it, it

would be #1.

other interests- Kate, Cars, Computers, playing Guitar.

I hope my rather vague humour hasn't escaped you, and I'm sure that

whatever happens, you never want to see the word Showcase again in your

life. I know I used it a lot. Sorry.

For a guy that hardly posts on this list, (I'm more of a lurker here,

but HC is tied for my favourite film of all time, and I can't say enough

about it) that sure was one heck of a Bio, eh? :)

--

Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

"I was reading the script in the back of the car and I turned to my Dad

and yelled, 'I've GOT to get this!'" - Kate upon reading the HC script

Time to waste? visit my page at:

http://www.geocities.com/eureka/concourse/6619/

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From: StarScully@aol.com

Subject: Re: Regarding the Heavenly Creatures list...

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:25:16 EDT

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I have my own page and stuff if you wanna inlude that. :)

*janel*

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Village/8279/

"My Dark Victory"

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Subject: Member info

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e-mail- ald14hc@aol.com & Rouste@aol.com

name- Angie Daigrepont

gender- female

location- New Orleans, Louisiana USA

age- 23

occupation- student / Quality Controls Dept. for a telemarketing company

favourite films- Heavenly Creatures, Mad Love, A league of their own

favourite music- Better than Ezra!!! anything from Alternative to

country

==

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001 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - OFF: desperately seeking the

murmurs

002 - Adit <adit@main.aquanet.c - HC homepage!

003 - Layala@t-online.de (Layal - OT: reactions to HC

004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Concern over Bettina (Am I the

only one?)

005 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

006 - StarScully@aol.com - Re: hello hello!!

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: OFF: desperately seeking the murmurs

Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 19:04:28 GMT

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Sorry for posting this to the list, but i'm desperate.

I'm looking for the following two albums from US band THE MURMURS:

WHO ARE WE

WHITE RABBIT (EP)

Both were released on an obscure indy label, and none of the online

music shops have them, not even the really obscure ones.

So, here's the deal: i will trade a HC poster + a copy of the grail

(PAL, widescreen, dubbed german, excellent quality) for both these

albums, or if you'd rather want money that's fine with me too. Just

contact me privately so we can arrange things.

I really really really hope somebody can help me, cuz there's no

chance i'll find them in this stupid little 3rd world part of the

universe.

--

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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From: Adit <adit@main.aquanet.co.il>

Subject: HC homepage!

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:04:27 +0200

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Hi!

I'm really interested in doing that homepage I think its really a cool

idea and I'm willing to help! Just say what you want me to do! Anyway

here are the details about me:

e-mail - adit@main.aquanet.co.il

name - Adit Shamir

gender - Female

location - Israel

age - 14

occupation - student

favorite films/tv - movies: Titanic, Heavenly Creatures, Grease,

Armageddon, Romeo & Juliet, Forest Gump and a lot more. TV: Dawson's

Creek, Just Kill Me, Friends, Seinfeld, Law & Order, Profiler and more.

favorite music - Aerosmith, Garbage, savage Garden, All Saints, No doubt

and more.

other interests - talking on the phone, writing e-mails, being with my

friends, acting and more.

and like I already wrote you Marloes, soon I'll be able to send you a

picture of me!

-Adit

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From: Layala@t-online.de (Layala)

Subject: OT: reactions to HC

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:04:37 +0200

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Hi everyone,

sorry that I start with it again, but I thought it was of some interest

for you

to know how everything went on.

My friends think HC is a sect that tells me suicide is OK as we all go

to the

Fourth World then. They went to a shrink and made her call my parents.

I´m in no

trouble as my parents are sensible and we talked it all over, but I was

so sad to

see how few my friends understand of what I told them. If I say I´m OK

again,

they won´t belive me. They have no trust in me, they can´t imagine that

I have a

brain of my own...I feel so sorry as they are really concerned about

me, they

even can´t sleep at night, and if Nina failed her ast exame, I bet it´s

my

fault...

But: I have a friend who used to be a "realistic" who does only believe

what he

sees, but now she asked me about HC and everything as she thinks this

realism-stuff is a too easy way to explain everything. Maybe I can make

her

understand, and if not, there are plenty others...

Thank you for reading- and your patience :c)

Love,

Layala

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:07:13 -0400

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Layala wrote:

>My friends think HC is a sect that tells me suicide is OK as we all go

to

>the

>Fourth World then. They went to a shrink and made her call my parents.

It doesn't matter if it's HC or Mario Lanza or Marilyn Manson or NBK or

the Teletubbies...

If I may be frank here, I can see their concern. HC is not a cult but

it

has become your FIXATION. YOU have made it your cult. You've "killed"

who

you are and "replaced" it with a "Fourth World" persona.

I'd say you are obsessing. HC has merely provided you with a "theme"

for

your obsession.

I'd also venture to say you are on a dangerous, self-destructive path.

A

recent event has triggered feelings of unworthyness and you somehow

decided to "do yourself in" in your imagination.

I think it would be good for you to take a step back. Look at how your

behavior might be percieved by other people who don't know HC but

REALLY

CARE ABOUT YOU. Wether or not they know HC is irrelevant. But they know

Bettina (more than you think- trust me) and they've seen her renounce

who

she is. They've seen her change her appearance and her name. It's easy

for them to jump to the conclusion that HC is doing this to you. What

they miss is that you are doing this to yourself.

Remember that HC is not a happy tale of finding happiness in "the

fourth

world" but rather a cautionnary tale of what retreating and isolating

oneself in a fantasy world can lead to.

I seem to be the only person on this list who doesn't encourage your

"fourth world" persona, but I think it is dangerous to be blindly

supportive. For most people , HC is a movie they are enthusiastic

about.

Of course they will encourage you but they don't have to live with the

consequences. They might gamefully support you but don't lose track

that

you should keep this at the "play/act" level.

It's easy to surmise from what you write that you are obsessed with

your

ex-boyfriend. You go on about how you NOW look the way he wanted you to

look and how hot you've become. From where I sit this looks more like

you've altered yourself to become someone else because who you are got

rejected.

And this is, from life experience, a dangerous path to follow.

And it's a path which can spiral out of control. The more you think

people are antagonising you, the more you retreat into the fantasy. The

more you retreat from reality, the more people will be concerned. The

more people get concerned, the more you'll fell antagonized.

Emotions and hormones are very powerul at your age. Don't let them take

you to a point of no return.

The last thing you wanna be is a new Pauline. Identifying with her is

one

thing. It's what makes HC so special for some: they see themselves in

Pauline.

Emulating her is quite another. The film cautions you against that.

I'm sorry if some of what I said seems cold and unsupportive, but I

just

couldn't sit and watch as you continue to exhibit the warning signs. I

can clearly hear your pleas for help between the lines of what you

write.

You might not even be aware of them. To be "sopportive" of you is to be

deaf to those cries.

JG

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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:37:22 -0400

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"It's a three-act story with a tragic end."

I myself agree with Jean here, while I love the movie and it's cast, the

film and everything about it, I have to say that I don't have an

"unhealthy" obsession. I also am with Jean on discouraging such an

obsession. I can understand when those of us watch HC as a release, etc,

but to take it to the extreme as not to be able to determine reality and

fantasy? That's a bit too far. As Jean said, take a step back, a deep

breath and look at what you're doing. Lets remember that HC isn't a good

choice as a movie to be "glorified" in an extreme sense. Sure we love

the movie, sure we love Peter Jackson, sure we love everything else

that's involved, but lets remember it's JUST a movie, and a true story

at that..Of course, lets also remember that this is just my $.02..

Regards,

Laurin

VisualGrafx Web Design

http://www.visualgrafx.com

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From: StarScully@aol.com

Subject: Re: hello hello!!

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:17:47 EDT

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In a message dated 98-10-09 00:48:37 EDT, you write:

<< i don't really Know if anyone is going to remember me or not....but

nevertheless i am bacK!! i haven't been on the Heavenly Creatures

list for

liKe 6 months. just wondering if anyone can tell me who is still here

and who

is gone.and what have i missed!?!!

that's it >>

I remember you. You missed quite a discussion in the past 6 months, but

someone else can probably update you on that seeing as I'm just a

lurker on

this list. i only speak up very briefly. Welcome back. :)

*janel*

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001 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - lurkers

002 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - obsessions

003 - Layala@t-online.de (Layal - sorry for this really long

letter, I just had to try...

004 - Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfo - Re: lurkers

005 - Sara Hutchinson Queen of - HC soundtrack

006 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: HC soundtrack

007 - Me k <yourdreamluver@yaho - Re: lurkers

008 - "Marie Braden" <braden@ms - RE: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

009 - Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfo - Re: HC soundtrack

010 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - hc ld

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: lurkers

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:12:12 +0200

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Some extracts...

> I remember you. You missed quite a discussion in the past 6 months,

but

> someone else can probably update you on that seeing as I'm just a

lurker on

> this list. i only speak up very briefly. Welcome back. :)

>

> *janel*

> For a guy that hardly posts on this list, (I'm more of a lurker here,

> but HC is tied for my favourite film of all time, and I can't say

enough

> about it) that sure was one heck of a Bio, eh? :)

>

> --

> Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

Do you two (and other lurkers that I don't know of) have a particular

reason for being in the lurker-mode? Just wondering... (-:

Marloes

--

Though I am different from you,

We were born involved in one another

- Tau Ch'ien

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: obsessions

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:03:12 +0200

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Laurin and Jean,

Both your messages really made me think. I know I'm kinda obsessed by HC

myself. It started out as a 'normal' fascination, but the HC-part of my

life has slowly become bigger over the last months. Of course I still

know the difference between reality and fiction, I don't live a

fantasy-life...but HC is a big and important part of my life. A lot of

real-life events remind me of HC. I compare every other film to it (they

are NEVER as good). I go crazy if I don't have the time to check my

emails (and thus all HC-related messages) a few times a day. For some

strange reason I want everyone to know that they HAVE to see this

brilliant film (they eventually watch it because I'm driving them

crazy..hehe)

Why am I telling all this? I don't even know...well maybe because I

supported Layala, but since your messages also made a lot of sense I

feel like I did the wrong thing... )-:

Marloes

--

Though I am different from you,

We were born involved in one another

- Tau Ch'ien

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From: Layala@t-online.de (Layala)

Subject: sorry for this really long letter, I just had to try...

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:46:47 +0200

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I wish I could express what I feel. I should stop writing letters,

really, but

no-one seems to be willing to communicate with me in another way. All

of my

friends are writing letters to me, I mean letters not eMails, I must be

a real

monster... but I´m not dumb, nor self-destructive. I will try to

explain how I

see the whole thing.

Throughout my entire life, I have been alone, but not lonely. Sure I

had friends,

and we really spent a lot of time together, until the age of lets say

13 or 14,

when all the other girls started to behave strangely, I thought it was

stupid to

judge a person from one´s looks or clothes or music-flavor. I got a

little

lonely, as everyone tried desperately to be so cool and popular. I

thought well

fools I don´t care about your opinion. I had good luck as some of my

friends

finally got the idea as well and we were proud to be not as stupid as

the rest.

But when it came to boys, this was something complete different. I

never would

have changed myself for a boy, or even thrown into depressions. My

girlfriends

can be very desperate about these things. I always had a kind of

fantasy-world in

my head, even long before HC. It was wonderful, I could go out into the

woods and

lay somewere and I knew that the world loved me like a mother and I

could see the

stars dancing at night, and the moon watched me and my dreams had wings

each time

I went out at night. I read a lot, and sometimes I find soulmates in

books, even

though they died 50 years ago. All in all, I was enough for myself, so

I needed

no-one. When I saw HC first about one year ago, I thought it really

fits my

ideas. I certainly didn´t and still don´t think Pauline´s and Juliet´s

consequenses were right. It sounds sooo romantic and tragic, in theory,

but in

reality I KNOW it is the wrong way.

And then, somewhen in May this year, this boy tumbled into my life. I

never

expected anyone to appreciate my way, my kind of thinking and stuff,

and he

really had a hard job to make me go out with him. I had no choise, I

think, he

was very "masterful"... and I liked him. He is different. I always

liked his

brother as well who was in my class. their entire family is different.

I love his

mother, she´s such a wonderful person...I think she would rather give

me a hug or

kiss than my own mother...he told me things I now consider as lies, so

I made

this mistake and said yes when he asked me out. I regreted it like I

never

regreted anything before. During the time we were together, I kind of

abandoned

my earlier life. I tried to show him, but he didn´t understand, and so

I gave up

and with him to protect me I had no problems to get along in his world.

He has a

million friends everywhere, but they suddently accepted me. I didn´t

like to be

accepted just for being his gilrfriend, but I also got to know some

nice persons.

I always have been someone who never belonged in a certain group like

everyone

else, but still I think most people like me a lot, they smile at me and

their

eyes light up when I walk into the room...

Then suddently he dropped me, with me neither knowing why nor

understanding what

actually happened. First I searched for the blame in me, then I

wondered how I

could have been so wrong with my feelings for him. If he was a jerk, he

must have

been it all the time, so why haven´t I noticed? The fact is that he

couldn´t

handle the situation. He treated me so cold and cruel that it broke me

for a long

time. I didn´t listen to him saying that he still cared for me, how

could I

believe a guy who did all that to me? I felt like a punching-ball...

So I had this stupid idea of killing everything in me that still loved

him, even

though it meant killing big parts of me. It didn´t work out. I got

desperate and

blue, it was the first time in my life that I couldn´t feel the

soothingness of

nature and the stars and whatever once was my pool of energy. All I

felt was pain

and disappointment. I hated myself for having abandoned my old habits,

so now it

was just punishment that they abandoned me. I felt exactly that the

others

couldn´t deal with my misery, they turned away and talked about me, but

never

with me. I somehow felt like the only way out was to throw myself into

this

blackness, to cry as long as it takes to get alive again. And this

really worked

out. I had a dream one night, I dreamed I was dead but I was not myself

but a man

somewhere in a war in the 17th century ( don´t know what my brain made

up

there...) at least, I knew that a good friend of mine was dead, lying

in the dust

in front of me, and night galloped in and I was about to die as well. I

knew that

all my struggeling and fighting had been in vain, but a wonderful

peace and

warmth and silence filled my heart, and I KNEW with everything I am, I

knew that

it was alright to go when the moment is there, and everything is good

the way it

is. At the very same moment, I became aware of my own person, who still

is alive,

and with the same itensity I knew WHY I can live, I felt a power in me

that was

so strong that I woke up, and I cried because it was so beautiful. It

still is

within me, and I know that my feelings are always leading me the right

way. And

I know that I scared many people and concerned them and made them think

I´m in

danger. I bet it was the only way for me. I don´t think that HC

occopies a too

big part of me. Not more than anything else. I don´t consider myself as

a second

Pauline. I did sream for help, with every word, every look from my

eyes, every

movement. But people don´t understand which kind of help really helps.

Nevermind,

I know their intentions are good.

And about my ex: I went out into a club last Friday, and he was there

as well. He

came to me and asked how I felt. We talked some minutes, then he said

something

about that dress I wore like "Still wearing black?" -"So?" then he said

with THAT

voice that I looked great in it... then went away. But I didn´t fall

over, he is

no god and no Mario Lanza, I thought (I really with all of my heart

thought) "So

what? I don´t need your compliments any longer coz now I know it by

myself

again!" And it felt so good and so healing. I´m not even angry with

him. I am too

pure for him, he couldn´t bear me because he had the feeling I was

better,

cleverer, more innocent than he.

I don´t know how my future will look like now.I will try to live a

normal life,

but never, never grow up and get just like them!

All the attention people give to me right now that I´m through with it

I would

have needed earlier, now I found myself again, the spirits of my forest

took me

back, and I never will give them up again as it almost has cost my life.

Now I feel totally naked and exhibited, but I owe you as much as my

friends to

explain, and I promise I won´t go on your nerves any longer with it...

I love

talking about these things, but I also understand if someone doesn´t. I

know I

have to make my experiences, though they may hurt sometimes. I decided

to write a

book, about all the senseless stuff I have to tell the world. I won´t

publish it,

though. Writing is the perfect way to sort out one´s thoughts.

I don´t know what I can say to make you understand if you haven´t

already, after

this letter. Some of you might think I´m weird or annoying, but I take

that risk,

and if it´s only for Jean, who really (as for a stranger) tried his

best to make

me realize -well- everything. Oh, my English sucks, but I guess it

wouldn´t be

much easier in German as well. These things are too complicated. I hate

to

imagine what everyone must think about me...I wish they would stop

analying every

word I say and every thing I do. I´m getting paranoid if they go on. I

act so

impulsively, most of the time, and it mostly turns out to be right.

I finish better, I think I said everything. The Internet is not a good

thing to

help people with their sorrows or to make them understand something. I

should

invite a friend and have some tea and talk a little and maybe he or she

will just

hug me and say it´s alright. I don´t know much people who would do

this. It is

so sad.

Thank you for reading and caring.

Betty

(but also Layala, Sophie, Isadora, ... my "multiple personalities", I

love them

all and they all are one. Only they live in different times or worlds.

It´s just

a dream.)

"I am too pure for you or anyone

Your body

Hurts me as the world hurts God..."

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From: Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

Subject: Re: lurkers

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:17:30 -0400

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There's no real reason. It's just that I haven't seen any conversation

that I could intelligently respond to, or add my two cents to. When

something comes along that piques my interest, I'll be right on the ball

to reply :) For instance, the next time HC comes on TV here in Canada

(remember waaaay back, I emailed Showcase, and they said they would show

HC again soon...they haven't yet) and any news, or whatever I find, I

will be sure to relay them to the list. For now, I'm happy reading the

wonderful emails by you great people and keeping up on the latest. Oh

and if I reply, you'll know...if anyone is on the KWFC (KW Fan Club)

list or peruse the Message Board, you know once I get started, I can't

shut up :) For those of you who aren't, my emails are usually long.

I'm also deprived when it comes to HC. I don't own my own copy. All I

have are parts taped off of TV (from that evil network that starts with

an S) and whenever I decide to rent it. (the clerks know me by now) If

my $#@! second VCR was working, I would make my own copy (yes, deceitful

and underhanded, but if there is a copy of HC for sale anywhere in

Ontario, be sure to let me know) as I did with Jude. (same applies) And

if there is a copy of the HC soundtrack for sale anywhere in the

Northern Hemisphere, I wouldn't mind being dropped a line ;) Strangely,

I found the Jude soundtrack at my local stinking Future Shop. I just

about hit the floor, and had to read over the words "Kate Winslet" on

the case at least 10 times before I bought it to make sure. Anyways,

I'm rambling (see, I always write these long messages...) so I'll stop

before I get any further off track.

Good day.

--

Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

"I never commit to a role unless I can give it 150,000 percent." - KW

Time to waste? visit my page at:

http://www.geocities.com/eureka/concourse/6619/

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From: Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World

<u9713911@bournemouth.ac.uk>

Subject: HC soundtrack

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:33:23 +0100 (BST)

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I must confess, i too am a 'lurker' but hey, nevermind! :)

Ryan mention somthing about the HC soundtrack... is it really that hard

to

get/find in the US? Mine took ages coz they had to make some more or

something, but i did get it in the end. Can't you order it on import?

Sara*****

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: Re: HC soundtrack

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:40:21 -0300

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> Ryan mention somthing about the HC soundtrack... is it really that

hard to

> get/find in the US? Mine took ages coz they had to make some more or

> something, but i did get it in the end. Can't you order it on import?

If you all can remember, I wrote to the list a couple of days ago about

that. I can get a copy of the Brazilian edition - the same as the

"regular import" (from where, btw?) plus the title in Portuguese on the

cover. It's $17 plus shipping/handling. The package takes about one to

two weeks to arrive (US and Europe). If anyone's still interested,

please let me know.

:*

Juliana.

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From: Me k <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: lurkers

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>

> Do you two (and other lurkers that I don't know of) have a particular

> reason for being in the lurker-mode? Just wondering... (-:

>

> Marloes

Hello,

I am Anna..and I guess I consititute as a lurker at the moment. This

is my first full day as a member of this list..and why do I lurk? Well

I am trying to figure this all out...what are you people all

about...what does the list really stand for...thus far my quries have

yet to be answered..HC for me is this really great movie that I rented

because Kate Winslet was a part of the cast..I find her to be

infanitly fantastic. Please, share with me what this is all about..is

there something here that I do not see?

yours

Anna

_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: "Marie Braden" <braden@msw0.attnet.or.jp>

Subject: RE: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:22:17 +0900

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> If I may be frank here, I can see their concern. HC is not a cult but

it

> has become your FIXATION. YOU have made it your cult. You've "killed"

who

> you are and "replaced" it with a "Fourth World" persona.

> I'd say you are obsessing. HC has merely provided you with a "theme"

for

> your obsession.

And as you so eloquently stated, it wouldn't matter if it were

Teletubbies,

Dungeons and Dragons, etc. I agree with your points, and though I

haven't

spoken on this before, I share your concerns about Bettina/Layala.

> Remember that HC is not a happy tale of finding happiness in "the

fourth

> world" but rather a cautionnary tale of what retreating and isolating

> oneself in a fantasy world can lead to.

I'd also like to point out that it would be less frightening if Bettina

were

creating her own imaginary universe.....accepting the vision of someone

else

is even eerier, somehow. I understand teh desire for escape, and an

identity that seems impervious to pain....however, even if you are

taking

your cues from your romanticization of two disturbed girls, I doubt that

even THEY would be supportive of this. Part of the feeling I got from

HC

was that the 4th WOrld was something very private and special to the two

girls....and I rather doubt that they would have wanted the intrusion of

someone else into that. ALso, you may wish to note that they both have,

in

maturity, distanced themselves from what was a coping mechanism of their

youth.

> I seem to be the only person on this list who doesn't encourage your

> "fourth world" persona, but I think it is dangerous to be blindly

> supportive. For most people , HC is a movie they are enthusiastic

about.

> Of course they will encourage you but they don't have to live with the

> consequences. They might gamefully support you but don't lose track

that

> you should keep this at the "play/act" level.

When I was younger and going through my own personal Hells, it was

Sylvia

Plath that was my obsession---just as disturbing. Eventually I reached

a

point where I realized that the "real me" was more interesting than any

pastiche I had created out of my own longings to wound others as I had

been

wounded.

> It's easy to surmise from what you write that you are obsessed with

your

> ex-boyfriend. You go on about how you NOW look the way he wanted you

to

> look and how hot you've become. From where I sit this looks more like

> you've altered yourself to become someone else because who you are got

> rejected.

I concur. If the "Layala" you have chosen to become was really YOU,

"Bettina" would have been more like her....there is nothing wrong with

changing yourself.....but the wholesale annihilation of who your life

has

created you to be is something totally different.

> And it's a path which can spiral out of control. The more you think

> people are antagonising you, the more you retreat into the fantasy.

The

> more you retreat from reality, the more people will be concerned. The

> more people get concerned, the more you'll fell antagonized.

> Emotions and hormones are very powerul at your age. Don't let them

take

> you to a point of no return.

> The last thing you wanna be is a new Pauline. Identifying with her is

one

> thing. It's what makes HC so special for some: they see themselves in

> Pauline.

> Emulating her is quite another. The film cautions you against that.

Very true. She wound up losing EVERYTHING. But also, what is it about

the

characters (as possibly distinguished from real life) that has affected

you

so? I would hardly consider either of them to be something to emulate.

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From: Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

Subject: Re: HC soundtrack

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It's hard to find in the stores. I could order it online, or go the

route Juliana mentioned, but it's the shipping and handling, plus the

currency exchange, plus the duty, tax, yadda yadda yadda that steers me

away from that. Buying anything from the U.S. and having it shipped

usually doubles the cost, if not more, and there's always the chance of

it being damaged or "conveniently misplaced" somewhere along the line.

I know my Dad has had trouble in the past with getting things through

the mail from the US. Perhaps things pass through too many hands, and

some of those hands may not be as honest as the others. And it is

easier for Americans to order from overseas because their currency isn't

laughed at as Canuck change is. Anyhow, if I get some money I might

order from somewhere. But for now, I will stay with trying to find it

locally, who knows, I may find it somewhere. :)

--

Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

Loyal Follower Of The Almighty Piss Squirt

"I never commit to a role unless I can give it 150,000 percent."

Time to waste? visit my page at:

http://www.geocities.com/eureka/concourse/6619/

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: hc ld

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 03:55:36 GMT

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I just did a search for 'heavenly creatures' on www.ebay.com and it

came up with a few hits for the laserdisc.

Since some people were having trouble finding the disc, i though i'd

post this.

Good luck.

--

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n947 --------------

001 - Queen Jenny <platinum_who - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

002 - Bao Ly <Refuse_to_be_burn - HC Mailing List Subscriber

Database - Beta!

003 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

004 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - more lurkers! +soundtrack

005 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: HC Mailing List Subscriber

Database - Beta!

006 - hanna bervoets <hanna-b@d - Re: lurkers

007 - Sara Hutchinson Queen of - Re: more lurkers! +soundtrack

008 - Sara Hutchinson Queen of - Hilary Nathan

009 - Christy Price <christy@ty - Oh happy day!

010 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n946

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From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:22:12 -0700

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holy hell! I've been away so long I had to resubscribe to the list!

well..the following message

is copy pasted from the original and the spacing is all screwy. I am

tired. it is late. I have no

desire to fix this.

Okay...this may seem odd..like a complete stranger diving in here, but

I can assure you, that is

not the case. I have been on this list since the age of 15 (I am nearly

18 as of now) but for the

last 2 months no one has heard a word from me. I have not even watched

HC for what seems like an

eternity. But I KNOW this. It's hard for me to remember it all...but I

do know this. I first saw

HC when I was 14. I was quite an unstable child then. Of course, at 14,

who wouldn't be? I was

floored by the whole thing. At that point time I *was* Pauline in all

but the smallest details.

Hell, I even looked the part. I was really dependant in that day..and

what I wanted most was to

have a deep connection with someone. I suppose what kept me out of HC

as a movie was that I never

liked Kate Winslet as an actress. at all. So it was more of a world. I

built this moronic website

called "Ice Rose" with blue-tinted images of Melanie and rambling,

mindless HC poetry and

stories. I gave myself stupid names like Arden Kilkory and Isadora

Sinclair. It was all perfectly

normal to me at the time. And all of a sudden I snapped out of it. It

didn't mean anything. And

it was another day. I studied more. I occupied myself in different

ways. My taste in film changed

dramatically. (case point: my favorite films are Barton Fink, Curdled,

Wild at Heart and Exotica

at this present moment) and I discovered that every makes a complete

ass of themselves in the

14-16 range.

It happens. there's no concern needed.

-Jen.

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From: Bao Ly <Refuse_to_be_burnt_out@reflection.org>

Subject: HC Mailing List Subscriber Database - Beta!

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:33:29 -0700

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Hi everyone,

Anyone out there right now? If you're online, you can check out the HC

mailing list subscriber database I created at:

http://209.86.145.86/k8di/hc/db/tblSubscribers.asp

This is a temporary IP address connecting you directly to my computer.

I will set up the server at reflection.org and it will be online for

your try and use.

Features include:

- View by Last name, First, Title, Country, or Email

- Add a record

- Update a record

- Delete a record

- Homepage URL (type the URL of your homepage, if any)

- Image/Photo (type in the URL where your image file is located)

Peculiar fields that need explanation later:

Posting Status - 0=Lurker 1=Frequent 2=Veteran

User Level - 0=Guest (Silly Boys) 1=Subscriber (Borovnian)

2=Administrators (Saints)

- I will implement security and access rights accordingly to the

above users once the database is ready.

Currently Active (or Currently Subscribed?) - Yes or No

Tell me what you all think - it is very customizable of course. Any

suggestion of features to add, change, or remove would be helpful. If

everyone wants to use it, some of us can developed it further and design

the web pages, layouts, and graphics.

See you,

Bao

www.reflection.org

k8di.reflection.org

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:54:34 +0100

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-----Original Message-----

From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: 11 October 1998 07:32

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

>I first saw

>HC when I was 14. I was quite an unstable child then. Of course, at

14, who

wouldn't be? I was

>floored by the whole thing. At that point time I *was* Pauline in all

but

the smallest details.

>Hell, I even looked the part. I was really dependant in that day..and

what

I wanted most was to

>have a deep connection with someone. I suppose what kept me out of HC

as a

movie was that I never

>

>liked Kate Winslet as an actress. at all. So it was more of a world. I

built this moronic website

>

>called "Ice Rose" with blue-tinted images of Melanie and rambling,

mindless

HC poetry and

>stories. I gave myself stupid names like Arden Kilkory and Isadora

Sinclair. It was all perfectly

>

>normal to me at the time. And all of a sudden I snapped out of it. It

didn't mean anything. And

>it was another day. I studied more. I occupied myself in different

ways. My

taste in film changed

>

>dramatically. (case point: my favorite films are Barton Fink, Curdled,

Wild

at Heart and Exotica

>at this present moment) and I discovered that every makes a complete

ass of

themselves in the

>14-16 range.

>

>It happens. there's no concern needed.

>

>-Jen.

>

>

This, I agree with.

I've always had the notion in my head that when you're a teenager,

*everything* is normal. This is probably a dangerous way to think, in

case

something happens which isn't normal... but I've always stuck by it,

anyway.

I only saw HC a couple of months ago, and I don't think I'm going to

become

as obsessed with it as I have been with other things in the past: This

time

last year, I was totally obsessed with The X Files... now it's even

hard to

remember how I let it take up so much of my time... but *everything*

which

happened in the real world was related to XF (I remember the morning

when

Diana died, I was sitting in a hotel bed, wondering how I'd feel if it

were

David Duchovny or Gillian Anderson.. now that probably *isn't* normal),

I

spent all my free time on the internet or watching the show, and

everything

else had a lower priority. My schoolwork was suffering, my social skills

were non-existant - I spent day and night and night and day just

thinking X

FILES.

But, like Jen said, one day it just stopped. I'm still a fan of the

show,

but no more than anyone else would enjoy their favourite TV show/film

etc.

We all have our own ways of dealing with the $h1tty things that happen,

and

some are probably more healthy than others, but chances are, the fantasy

realms we create in our heads won't last forever. IMHO.

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: more lurkers! +soundtrack

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:50:32 +0200

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Ha!! more lurkers are popping out! I love to see them!

Welcome to the list Anna!! (-: This mailingslist is what you make of it

I guess. What do you want to see? I can only speak for myself, but I

think HC is by far the best and most fascinating film I've ever seen.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on it... (-:

And I Sara, I don't remember ever seeing a post of you the time I've

been on this list...but that could be my bad memory..*s*

About the soundtrack. There must be some import-store nearby that can

get it for you. I ordered mine at such a store and it cost me

US$25..pretty expensive but I received it within 14 days! I love the

soundtrack, it was defenately worth the money!!!

Take care,

Marloes

--

Though I am different from you,

We were born involved in one another

- Tau Ch'ien

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: HC Mailing List Subscriber Database - Beta!

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:08:41 +0200

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Bao Ly wrote:

> Anyone out there right now? If you're online, you can check out the

HC

> mailing list subscriber database I created at:

> http://209.86.145.86/k8di/hc/db/tblSubscribers.asp

Okay, just a note on this one. What's the idea here? I mean, I'd love to

create a good page covering all the members (as far as they want to be

covered) and already started working on getting everything together with

Juliana. We were collecting the names of people that were interested in

helping, making the logo that fits the rest of her Archives...etc. But

when other people start making pages like this one all of a sudden, I

guess the fun's over. Soon there will be a dozain of memberpages, all

with a few members, none of the will be THE member-list...

I guess that's all...

Marloes

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From: hanna bervoets <hanna-b@dds.nl>

Subject: Re: lurkers

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:47:47 +0200

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Do you two (and other lurkers that I don't know of) have a particular

>> reason for being in the lurker-mode? Just wondering... (-:

>>

>> Marloes

>

Hi all,

I'm new on this list, so right now I'm a lurker too I guess..

But I won't be forever, I just wanna see how things work around here.

You'll hear more from me, I promise ;)

Hanna

-hanna-b@dds.nl-

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From: Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World

<u9713911@bournemouth.ac.uk>

Subject: Re: more lurkers! +soundtrack

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:11:18 +0100 (BST)

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>And I Sara, I don't remember ever seeing a post of you the time I've

>been on this list...but that could be my bad memory..*s*

Nope, only just joined... i would've before but my mails been a biti

dodgy,

but now i'm at uni it's ok.... i was on the KWFC, but i unsubscribed

because

it was clogging up my mail, anyway i'm more an HC fan, as you can see

if you

wanna check out my site:

http://members.xoom.com/juliethulme/

I know it's not much yet, but i've been having difficulty uplading all

the

stuff i've done; in my ZIP disc it's almost finished.... in reality, not

quite. :\

Sara********

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From: Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World

<u9713911@bournemouth.ac.uk>

Subject: Hilary Nathan

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:13:19 +0100 (BST)

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Just a small thing... was with my cousin a few weeks ago, and i found

out

that she lives only a few miles away from Hilary Nathan, AKA Pauline

Parker!

I told her this, and about HC and PYP + JMH, and i think i've created

another HC fan! ;)

Sara********

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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>

Subject: Oh happy day!

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:39:18 -0700

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Hello fellow Creatures!

Bet you guys thought I had died. Hehehe, well, I have sorta been in the

background a bit.

Some of you might remember my tale of woe and horror when I discovered

that my VCR

was on the blink (no HC, no movies in general ACK!!!)

Well, my VCR has been fixed! YAY! To celebrate I watched HC and

Titanic, a sort of

double dose of Kate.

--Christy

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From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

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In a message dated 98-10-11 00:07:12 EDT, you write:

> Why am I telling all this? I don't even know...well maybe because I

> supported Layala, but since your messages also made a lot of sense I

> feel like I did the wrong thing... )-:

>

hey there!!!

hey, i dont refuse to admit that i too am obsessed with this movie...

but who

ever said being a bit psychotic was a bad thing?!?! and marloes... i

totally

agree with you how this has all become such a huge part of my life.. i

too go

nuts if i cant check my HC and my Kate list mail a few times a day...

but look

at it also in a good way... if it werent for this "obsession" we never

would

have all met each other!! and personally ive done a hell of a lot of

damn cool

things this year that started out with something or someone that had to

do

with my "obsessions" over Kate or HC... so unless someones actually

killing

people over it... ya know, leave it... hey, can you imagine how boring

life

must be for NORMAL people?!?!?! LOL!!!!!!

love yas!

~Rachel :-)!!!~

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001 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

002 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

003 - Bao Ly <Refuse_to_be_burn - Re: HC Mailing List Subscriber

Database - Beta!

004 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: lurkers

005 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - obsessions...

006 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: HC soundtrack

007 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

008 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

009 - Sara Hutchinson Queen of - Re: obsessions...

010 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: photo's....

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:06:48 +0200

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Alisha wrote:

> I've always had the notion in my head that when you're a teenager,

> *everything* is normal. This is probably a dangerous way to think, in

case

> something happens which isn't normal... but I've always stuck by it,

anyway.

I don't think everything's 'normal', whatever that may be. (I'm not a

teenager anymore, but I know that I always thought the same about this)

But I do think that differences are alright, and wanted. Why would

everyone want to fit in and be 'normal'? As long as you don't hurt

people on purpose...

> I only saw HC a couple of months ago, and I don't think I'm going to

become

> as obsessed with it as I have been with other things in the past:

This time

> last year, I was totally obsessed with The X Files...

> But, like Jen said, one day it just stopped. I'm still a fan of the

show,

> but no more than anyone else would enjoy their favourite TV show/film

etc.

It just stopped? And you didn't mind? At this moment I wouldn't want my

'HC-obsession' to stop. But maybe the impact it has on my life will

become less in a few months...hmmm...I'm pretty sure it will.

But I'm sure that no other film will ever come close to HC. Am I making

sence here? *confused*

Take care,

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:36:51 +0100

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>Alisha wrote:

>

>> I've always had the notion in my head that when you're a teenager,

>> *everything* is normal. This is probably a dangerous way to think, in

case

>> something happens which isn't normal... but I've always stuck by it,

anyway.

>

>I don't think everything's 'normal', whatever that may be. (I'm not a

>teenager anymore, but I know that I always thought the same about this)

>But I do think that differences are alright, and wanted. Why would

>everyone want to fit in and be 'normal'? As long as you don't hurt

>people on purpose...

I'm not talking about normal as in a fitting-in kind of way... I'm not

really sure *what* I'm talking about... but it makes sense in my head.

>> I only saw HC a couple of months ago, and I don't think I'm going to

become

>> as obsessed with it as I have been with other things in the past:

This

time

>> last year, I was totally obsessed with The X Files...

>

>> But, like Jen said, one day it just stopped. I'm still a fan of the

show,

>> but no more than anyone else would enjoy their favourite TV show/film

etc.

>

>It just stopped? And you didn't mind?

Not really. The rest of my life was suffering because I was so fixated,

and

it was so much better to be able to *talk* to people again, and

actually get

worthwhile grades in school.

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: Bao Ly <Refuse_to_be_burnt_out@reflection.org>

Subject: Re: HC Mailing List Subscriber Database - Beta!

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 12:03:06 -0700

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~lyric~ wrote:

>

> Bao Ly wrote:

>

> > Anyone out there right now? If you're online, you can check out

the HC

> > mailing list subscriber database I created at:

> > http://209.86.145.86/k8di/hc/db/tblSubscribers.asp

>

> Okay, just a note on this one. What's the idea here? I mean, I'd love

to

> create a good page covering all the members (as far as they want to be

> covered) and already started working on getting everything together

with

> Juliana. We were collecting the names of people that were interested

in

> helping, making the logo that fits the rest of her Archives...etc. But

> when other people start making pages like this one all of a sudden, I

> guess the fun's over. Soon there will be a dozain of memberpages, all

> with a few members, none of the will be THE member-list...

I'm not trying to stomp on anyone toes here, I simply made a web

database using Active Server Pages (.asp) for the purpose finding and

retrieving subscriber info. It is quite useful, dynamic, and in

real-time: guests can view the database, subscribers can view and edit

their info, administrator can view, edit, and delete any info (once the

access rights are implemented; right now, everyone has full access).

There would be no need to "update" since subscribers can edit their own

info and the change will be "generated" ad hoc.

As I recalled, a few people were attempting put one together for several

months back. The recent re-"interest" for a web page of such lead me to

create one for the list. I am planning to do a membership, articles,

and image database for KWS and I thought I do one for the list first to

get my feet wet, so the speak.

Like I said, I'd happy to help to contribute to "the cause" with those

interested parties (Elieene, Laurin, et al). Here is a database

"engine" that we can customize and develop web pages around/upon if

people are interested. And you're right, it would fun for Creatures to

get together and create something out of our ties/obsessions/fandom. I

am not nor was I planning to do the thing myself - god knows I don't

have the time to do that. Just check it out, and if you like it, we can

build the web pages around it:

http://209.86.148.142/k8di/hc/db/tblSubscribers.asp

This another temporary IP address connecting you directly to my

computer. It can be a little slow -

We would need to setup the dsn "Borovnia" on the server on Monday for it

to be available 24/7/365 on the WWW.

Hope you all can appreciate my genius. :)

Bao

www.reflection.org

mailto: Refuse_to_burnt_out@reflection.org

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: lurkers

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:20:14 +0200

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hanna bervoets wrote:

> I'm new on this list, so right now I'm a lurker too I guess..

> But I won't be forever, I just wanna see how things work around here.

> You'll hear more from me, I promise ;)

Hey Jeroen!! Did you see this post???? Another Creature from Holland!!

Wooopeeeee!!! Welkom!! (-:

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: obsessions...

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:06:03 +0200

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Rosedwson4@aol.com wrote:

> hey there!!!

> hey, i dont refuse to admit that i too am obsessed with this movie...

but who

> ever said being a bit psychotic was a bad thing?!?!

I didn't...I've been a little 'obsessed' by things before. But his one

is defenately a stayer! (-: I always notice that people that are 'a bit

psychotic' as you call it, are also the people that actually think about

life...I like that in people!!

> and marloes... i totally

> agree with you how this has all become such a huge part of my life..

i too go

> nuts if i cant check my HC and my Kate list mail a few times a day...

but look

> at it also in a good way... if it werent for this "obsession" we

never would

> have all met each other!!

Right, and I'm so glad I did! What would I have done without my fellow

creatures? I would have watched HC over and over again, all alone,

without knowing anyone that even liked it a little. THEN I'd really

think I was a total freak...*grin*

> and personally ive done a hell of a lot of damn cool

> things this year that started out with something or someone that had

to do

> with my "obsessions" over Kate or HC... so unless someones actually

killing

> people over it... ya know, leave it... hey, can you imagine how

boring life

> must be for NORMAL people?!?!?! LOL!!!!!!

Hahaha....you're right! And life sure hasn't been boring for me since I

first saw HC!! On the contrary! Although I sometimes feel like some

evangelist, trying to make people embrace HC-anity. I found my

destination!! *lafs*

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>

Subject: Re: HC soundtrack

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:28:46 -0400

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Yes, the HC soundtrack isn't really THAT hard to find, it is available

through cdnow AND footlight on the internet. And the shipping charges

are not QUITE that heinous. I got mine via footlight.

Regards,

Laurin

VisualGrafx Web Design

http://www.visualgrafx.com

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:34:50 -0500

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Hi there!!

I must tell that I do agree with Jean, but also I want to tell you

something. Understand that english is not my native languaje so I will

make my best effort to make my self clear. Everything has two sides,

not always opposed. You can (and are free to) love HC and adore it, but

the extreme sides of everything are dangerous. It is like a friend.

Your friend have many things that you like but others that may bother

you or even be a bad influence. What I mean is that you can take the

best things of HC if you think hyou need them but you also need to

analize it with a common sense to beware about the bad things in it. If

you made a stop on your life and decided to make a change, then GREAT

FOT YOU BUT be cautios. Good life for Layala but I'm sure Bettina

wasn't that bad at all, so. make the change, a positive one, take all

the goods from Bettina and bring'em to Layala, then try to learn and to

listen. Listen to your friends, to your family and to everyone who

concerns. Listen to all and make your conclusions. So listen now: Be

cautios, be smart, take the good things learn from the good things and

prepare yourself for YOUR life. Whatever you do is only for you and any

bad decisions will afect your life for ever. HC can teach you a lot,

take all the lessons and really care for you, after all, you are the

only thing that you really own. As Jean said, step aside and watch if

you are taking the right choicesand try to not getting obsessed. I hope

the above is clear enough. Have a nice research on your self. :)

Thanks for reading

José Antonio

--

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|

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| Cuanto mas grande la cabeza, mas fuerte la jaqueca. |

| The bigger the head, the bigger the headache |

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:27:33 +0200

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Alisha wrote:

> I'm not talking about normal as in a fitting-in kind of way... I'm not

> really sure *what* I'm talking about... but it makes sense in my head.

I'm glad it does, cuz mine's about fuzzy when it comes to this! (-:

> >It just stopped? And you didn't mind?

>

> Not really. The rest of my life was suffering because I was so

fixated, and

> it was so much better to be able to *talk* to people again, and

actually get

> worthwhile grades in school.

My grades are still good, and I talk...a LOT, too much according to some

people...*s* So I guess I've nothing to worry about then!

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: Sara Hutchinson Queen of the 4th World

<u9713911@bournemouth.ac.uk>

Subject: Re: obsessions...

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:20:22 +0100 (BST)

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I would be the first to admit that i am totally obessed with HC... not

in a

bad way, i'm not gonna go brick my mother or whatever, but i do try to

get

everyone i know to watch the flick, and i do adhear to the things i

feel it

teaches us about friendship, love and death. I'm making myself an

expert on

the Parker-Hulmne case, and it's reached a new step for me, as my

reletives

live in maidstone UK, and the phone book includes Rochetsre, and who

should

be in the book, but a Hilary Nathan! Not that i'm gonna call her or

anything, i do believe in people's privacy, but i'm glad that she's

made a

new life for herself without anyone prying. I hope she's very happy. :)

As i said, my cousin lives in Caxton, only a few miles away from

Rochester,

so when i visited her i was only a few miles away from Hilary!

Sara*******

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: photo's....

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Ok. Here is my info. I'll send you the photo later.

e-mail - jabad@softtek.com

antonioa@spin.com.mx

name - José Antonio Abad T.

gender - Male

location - Monterrey, Mexico

age - 29

occupation - DBA (Oracle) and program developer in a some sort of

Microsoft company in Mexico named softtek. I'm partner in the Oracle

division of softtek. We make some of the software that General Electric

uses among others.

favoured films/tv - Heavenly Creatures, Pulp Fiction, Spin City, David

Letterman, Tha naked truth, All discovery channel

favorite music - opera, classical music, choral, and soft pop

other interests - writing, play the piano and compose music and arts in

general

--

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| Cuanto mas grande la cabeza, mas fuerte la jaqueca. |

| The bigger the head, the bigger the headache |

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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n949 --------------

001 - Imran Hayat <ihayat@infom - HC soundtrack + the making of an

HC fan

002 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Obsession

003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - hc dvd

004 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - Melanie and HK

005 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - murmurs )-:

006 - StarScully@aol.com - Re: lurkers

007 - StarScully@aol.com - Re: murmurs )-:

008 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

009 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: lurkers

010 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I

the only one?)

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From: Imran Hayat <ihayat@infomatch.com>

Subject: HC soundtrack + the making of an HC fan

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:20:18 -0700

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Hi everybody, from chilly Vancouver, BC! :)

Hmmm.. well, anyone looking for the HC soundtrack CD should try an

Australian or perhaps a French CD store on the internet. (Since the

soundtrack was released there as well) AFAIK, the soundtrack is easily

available in most Australian CD stores. (That's where I got my copy

from a

couple of months back through the internet.)

Also, this girl that I rather fancy at school showed some interest

in

watching HC (after I told her that it's my favourite film) and so a few

days ago I lent her my HC video. (Standard N.American P&S cut) She says

that she's quite the film critic so I can't wait and see what she

thinks of

HC. :~) Mmmmm.. if she likes it... could be love.

:*)

And also.. is there any news about an HC DVD?? :) Still

wishing/hoping

for one. Hmmmm... especially with a nice Widescreen/Lenticular NZ cut...

full digital audio... maybe a director's cut... mmmmmmmm... wow...

Ok.. sorry for dreaming away. :) Take care everyone!

_____________________________________________________________________

IMRAN HAYAT - Simon Fraser University (3rd Yr.Geography/Comp.Science)

Burnaby, BC, Canada - ICQ 946837 - Webpage: www.infomatch.com/~ihayat

Interests: X-Files, The Beatles, Pet Shop Boys, Computing, Cows, ...

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From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>

Subject: Obsession

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:24:52 -0500 (EST)

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some people are obsessive. they just are. that's their nature. they

aren't

psychotic or sick. stamp and coin collectors. designers of

micronations.

diarists. many computer programmers. can't leave the programme alone

till

it's working just exactly right and then they'll start in on making it

look

nice as it runs (a web site for instance).

redesigning yourself is an art too. every time you get a tattoo, fix

your

hair a different way, try to lose weight, get a new earring for your

nose,

tongue, wherever, etc. etc. people change their names all the time. also

their genders.

i love hc because i'm obsessive about diaries, personal religions, and

micronations... and the art of the sustained imaginative game. i do not

and

never will believe that these things caused those girls to murder

honora.

i think this had been brewing with pauline for a long, long time. i

think

juliet and the threat of being separated and all that were the trigger,

not

the cause.

and i don't think this experimentation with identities on bettina's (or

anyone else's) part is the sign of a sick and warped mind or, even,

particularly a teenage thing to do. as humans we are all looking for

who we

really are and who we really belong to, especially since clan and tribal

affiliations have become a thing of the past.

mela alexian

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: hc dvd

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:51:14 GMT

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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:20:18 -0700, Imran Hayat <ihayat@infomatch.com>

wrote:

> And also.. is there any news about an HC DVD?? :) Still

wishing/hoping

>for one. Hmmmm... especially with a nice Widescreen/Lenticular NZ

cut...

>full digital audio... maybe a director's cut... mmmmmmmm... wow...

Well there's the US cut laserdisc that already is in the original

widescreen aspect ratio plus it has digital sound. And for a

laserdisc the picture quality is pretty good, although miles away from

a 16:9 enhanced dvd.

The way things look now miramax won't release HC on dvd any time soon.

And even if they would release it there's a big chance they will use

the same master as they did for the laserdisc, meaning it won't be

16:9 enhanced, and no NZ cut. Just look at all the other lame disney

dvd's.

Life sucks.

--

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>

Subject: Melanie and HK

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:35:32 +0100

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Hiya all,

Yesterday (Sunday 11th), I was

doing the ironing and watching

a Movie/Video program to pass

the time. My eyes lit up when

I got my first view of

"Hideous Kinky" with a scene

with Kate in. Despite having

the actress from Titanic in

it, this film has got it's

first preview at the Dinard

Film festival, which is a very

very small affair in a seaside

town in Brittany, France. This

gives me hope we will

eventually see Kate on the

screen again.

After this, they did a review

of "Ever After" and with some

nice shots with our Melanie in

it. Trouble is, due to the

crap photography, they had the

camera focused on that

Barrymore girl. I can't see

that film succeding with such

shody photography !

Stephen.

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: murmurs )-:

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:42:44 +0100

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Helaas helaas helaas...ze zijn drie uur op zoek geweest in de winkel (ik

heb elk uur gebeld) en hebben gekeken of ze Who Are We konden bestellen,

maar het is niet gelukt. De rest was ook nog niet binnen... )-:

Nog andere ideeën?

Marloes

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From: StarScully@aol.com

Subject: Re: lurkers

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:25:08 EDT

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In a message dated 98-10-10 16:33:10 EDT, you write:

<< Do you two (and other lurkers that I don't know of) have a particular

reason for being in the lurker-mode? Just wondering... (-:

Marloes >>

I'm just too lazy to hit the reply button. :)

*janel*

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From: StarScully@aol.com

Subject: Re: murmurs )-:

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:26:35 EDT

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<< Helaas helaas helaas...ze zijn drie uur op zoek geweest in de winkel

(ik

heb elk uur gebeld) en hebben gekeken of ze Who Are We konden bestellen,

maar het is niet gelukt. De rest was ook nog niet binnen... )-:

Nog andere ideeën? >>

Uh, is this gibberish German?

*janel*

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:43:50 +0100

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>Alisha wrote:

>

>> I'm not talking about normal as in a fitting-in kind of way... I'm

not

>> really sure *what* I'm talking about... but it makes sense in my

head.

>

>I'm glad it does, cuz mine's about fuzzy when it comes to this! (-:

I figured out what I'm trying to say... I mean normal in a way like, the

whole world isn't ending b/c of something which seems out of the

ordinary.

Does that help? I doubt it...

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: lurkers

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:10:11 +0200

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StarScully@aol.com wrote:

> I'm just too lazy to hit the reply button. :)

>

> *janel*

Heheeee....you're too funny grrl! (-:

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Concern over Bettina (Am I the only one?)

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:12:14 +0200

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Alisha wrote:

> I figured out what I'm trying to say... I mean normal in a way like,

the

> whole world isn't ending b/c of something which seems out of the

ordinary.

> Does that help? I doubt it...

Huh? this one's confusing me even more, oh well...I'm just kinda

braindead at the moment, maybe I'll understand it later...

Marloes (-:

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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Date:

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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n950 --------------

001 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: murmurs )-:

002 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - I want to know

003 - Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfo - Re: I want to know

004 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: I want to know

005 - GinaGen@aol.com - Re: lurkers

006 - recurring <recurring@yaho - Re: lurkers / Obsession

007 - Mad4Claire@aol.com - hi hi hi there

008 - "B & B Library LIB-APCO" - Anne Perry news

009 - Christy Price <christy@ty - A list archive?

010 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: A list archive?

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: murmurs )-:

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:34:17 +0200

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StarScully@aol.com wrote:

> Uh, is this gibberish German?

>

> *janel*

Woooops...sorry, this was supposed to go to Jeroen directly...forgot to

change the addy. btw, it's Dutch... (-:

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

Subject: I want to know

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:16:07 -0700 (PDT)

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what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate Winslet?

_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

Subject: Re: I want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:06:21 -0400

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She is the most talented, brilliant actress of all time. She conveys so

much from so little. A simple look will tell you all you need to know.

She is also a wonderful person, with a great outlook on life. From her

interviews, I can see that she definitely has a good head on her

shoulders. I also think she is gorgeous, the most beautiful woman in

the world. She has a true, real beauty, and isn't like all those sticks

running around Hollywood. (no offense to said sticks) I treasure her

current films, and look forward to her future films. (when *is* HK ever

getting to NA..grrr) In short, she's fabulous in every way. The

perfect woman.

Now I know that those are lofty opinions...but I guess you could

say...I'm obsessed. Not an unhealthy obsession, just a great admiration

for her. I just can't find the words to describe her. But don't worry,

I'm not stalking her, and I don't wish to inflict harm upon Mr. James

Threapleton ;) (her boyfriend)

I only wish them happiness, and her a great life...

This is all IMHO.

Have I sufficiently answered your question? :)

--

Ryan Hrabec <hrabec@bigfoot.com>

"She doesn't believe in marriage. She's very ballsy, very masculine. And

she smokes" - Kate on Sue Bridehead

Time to waste? visit my page at:

http://www.geocities.com/eureka/concourse/6619/

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: I want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:25:23 +0100

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dream lover wrote:

>

> what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate Winslet?

*siiiiiiiigh* (((((-:

Have I also sufficiently answered your question? (-:

Marloes

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From: GinaGen@aol.com

Subject: Re: lurkers

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:45:04 EDT

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In a message dated 10/12/98 12:44:30 PM Central Daylight Time,

StarScully@aol.com writes:

<< < Do you two (and other lurkers that I don't know of) have a

particular

reason for being in the lurker-mode? Just wondering... (-:

Marloes >>

>>

I pretty much call myself a lurker cause i dont have a LOT to say at

times,

also i am too busy at other times, but i LOVE readin the posts

karen

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From: recurring <recurring@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: lurkers / Obsession

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:51:02 -0700 (PDT)

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I sort of lurk and not reply to a lot of things because some people

reply in a much better way than I ever could. For example, I thought

the following was wonderfully well written and I completely agree.

Jane

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>

Subject: Obsession

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:24:52 -0500 (EST)

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some people are obsessive. they just are. that's their nature. they

aren't

psychotic or sick. stamp and coin collectors. designers of

micronations.

diarists. many computer programmers. can't leave the programme alone

till

it's working just exactly right and then they'll start in on making it

look

nice as it runs (a web site for instance).

redesigning yourself is an art too. every time you get a tattoo, fix

your

hair a different way, try to lose weight, get a new earring for your

nose,

tongue, wherever, etc. etc. people change their names all the time. also

their genders.

i love hc because i'm obsessive about diaries, personal religions, and

micronations... and the art of the sustained imaginative game. i do not

and

never will believe that these things caused those girls to murder

honora.

i think this had been brewing with pauline for a long, long time. i

think

juliet and the threat of being separated and all that were the trigger,

not

the cause.

and i don't think this experimentation with identities on bettina's (or

anyone else's) part is the sign of a sick and warped mind or, even,

particularly a teenage thing to do. as humans we are all looking for

who we

really are and who we really belong to, especially since clan and tribal

affiliations have become a thing of the past.

mela alexian

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: Mad4Claire@aol.com

Subject: hi hi hi there

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 04:30:53 EDT

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just a little thing.

i finally got to see Ever After on 10.10.1998....

as soon as Melanie came on the screen...i shrieKed!!! it was the first

time i

had ever seen her on the "big" screen. and my eyes started to fill with

tears.

my friend and the few people in the theatre all looKed at me at the

time of my

shrieKing...but who cares!

it was totally happiness......

hey..here is something else....why in the world would they portray

Melanie as

the fat, ugly, dumpie one? are they insane??!! my girl is definately

none of

those!! it made me very very mad. and i b*tched about it for the rest

of the

nite. grrrrrr......

that's it

~~^^SARAH^^~~

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From: "B & B Library LIB-APCO" <LIB-APCO@balch.com>

Subject: Anne Perry news

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:12:37 -0500

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Interesting.....

The Dominion

(copyright 1998)

Thursday, September 17, 1998

NEWS

Kiwi Killer makes it to TV

A book written by convicted murderess Anne Perry ---- previously

Juliet Hulme ---- has been turned into a movie for television by a

production company connected to Prince Edward.

Perry's book, 'The Cater Street Hangman' has been turned into a

two-hour period drama that deals with murder, class and romance.

Perry was convicted of murder in Christchurch in the early 1950s.

Born in London, she migrated to New Zealand with her artist mother

and mathematician father, who took up a position as rector of

Canterbury University.

There she struck up an intense friendship with Christchurch Girls

High School student Pauline Parker that was to end in horror, tragedy

and jail.

When the pair were 15 and 16, they were convicted of the murder of

Parker's mother Honora by bludgeoning her to death with a brick on the

slopes of the Cashmere Hills.

The murder was the subject of Peter Jackson's movie 'Heavenly

Creatures.' Taranaki actress Melanie Lynskey starred as Parker and

Briton Kate Winslet took the part of Hulme.

Prince Edward said he greatly admired and respected the works of

Perry.

"We are delighted to have been able to adapt one of her most

famous stories for the screen," he said.

Perry, 58, a best-selling historical crime novelist now living in

Scotland, is said to make GBP 370,000 (NZ$1.2 million) a year from her

books, which sell millions of copies throughout the world.

She was unavailable for comment yesterday.

---- Supplied by the New Zealand Press Association

Pam

*Pbv.a*

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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>

Subject: A list archive?

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:35:06 -0700

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Does anyone know if there is an archive (or some such thing) for this

list? Someone was wanting to re-read my story but I had already deleted

it :-(

Thanks

Christy

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: A list archive?

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:49:14 +0100

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Christy Price wrote:

>

> Does anyone know if there is an archive (or some such thing) for this

list? > Someone was wanting to re-read my story but I had already

deleted it :-(

I remember someone talking about saving all the digests...but I don't

remeber exactly who? Wait a sec...was it Jane? I think it was...

Marloes (-:

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Date:

Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT)

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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n951 --------------

001 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Anne Perry news

002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: I want to know

003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: hi hi hi there

004 - Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot - Kate Winslet Rose doll

005 - Queen Jenny <platinum_who - Re: i want to know

006 - Christy Price <christy@ty - RE: Kate Winslet Rose doll

007 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: I want to know

008 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

009 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Obsession

010 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: i want to know

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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Subject: Re: Anne Perry news

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:50 +0100 (BST)

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Pam wrote:

> A book written by convicted murderess Anne Perry ---- previously

> Juliet Hulme ---- has been turned into a movie for television by a

> production company connected to Prince Edward.

I watched the first 15 minutes, decided life's too short, and turned

off.

The screenplay (not by AP) was even less convincing than Anne Perry's

phonetic Cockney characters. I guess the production was just relying on

the shock value of AP's stories.

Phil

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: I want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:26:58 -0400

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What is my opinion of Kate Winslet?

When I met her, she was only 17 but had the maturity of a person twice

her years. Her blue-grey eyes have an undeniable hypnotic quality to

them. You feel as if they can stare right through you.

She is immensely talented as an actress and could jump in and out of

character at will (unlike many actors who need to remain "in character"

throughout the day).

I wrote in my diary 5 years ago that she would be Oscar material. It

was

just that obvious.

She has shown herself capable of turning out one remarkable performance

after another. Some are obvious (Jude, HC) while some are less obvious

(TITANIC- which shows her ability to keep her character consistent over

a

long epic shoot- the acting eqivalent of Marathon running).

She is also what crews call "a trooper". This means that she will give

her all and play along in very extenuating circumstances. She is, by no

means, a "Diva".

At this point, she needs to do something more "contemporary" as Kate is

very much a woman of her time. Audiences, however, have yet to see that

side of her.

She can do comedy and tragedy; contemporary and period pieces. She is a

consummate professional who despite being nominated for Oscars half of

her eligible years and starring in the Top Grossing film of all time,

has

still many surprises left in store for us.

(:^)]

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: hi hi hi there

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:30:12 -0400

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Mad4Claire@aol.com wrote:

>why in the world would they portray Melanie as

>the fat, ugly, dumpie one? are they insane??!! my girl is definately

none of

>those!! it made me very very mad. and i b*tched about it for the rest

of the

>nite. grrrrrr......

It's called acting.

"They" are not portraying Melanie as the fat, ugly, dumpy one. Melanie

is

playing her character as fat, ugly and dumpy. It's just another example

of the fine talent Mel is.

(:^)]

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From: Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot.msu.edu>

Subject: Kate Winslet Rose doll

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:06:02 -0400

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There's a picture of the Titanic Rose doll at:

http://www.primenet.com/~btn/aft.html

The face looks kinda like Kate, but the hair's weird.

Minh

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From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:42:20 -0700

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> what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate Winslet?

This is a very, very, very BAD question to ask when i am returning to

the list..but i am not interested in making new enemies, so i will be a

good girl and keep quiet even though i WOULD like to get into

my kate speech...i don't think everyone would approve.

-J

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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>

Subject: RE: Kate Winslet Rose doll

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:05:16 -0700

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From: Minh Pham[SMTP:phamminh@pilot.msu.edu]

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:06 AM

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com

Subject: Kate Winslet Rose doll

There's a picture of the Titanic Rose doll at:

http://www.primenet.com/~btn/aft.html

The face looks kinda like Kate, but the hair's weird.

Minh

I just came from there. It does resemble Kate. The hair just looks

"windswept" or something maybe *G*

It looks okay to me.

--Christy

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: I want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:17:34 +0100

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>

>what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate Winslet?

I liked her in Titanic, but I hadn't seen HC then, and I think she was

*so*

much better in that. Some people (ie my mother and her friend Ruth) have

compared me to her, but I don't see it myself. For a start, my eyebrows

are

totally different. All in all, I think she's a pretty perfect person.

Except

maybe for the smoking.

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:48:37 +0100

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>There's a picture of the Titanic Rose doll at:

>http://www.primenet.com/~btn/aft.html

>

>The face looks kinda like Kate, but the hair's weird.

>Minh

>

>I just came from there. It does resemble Kate. The hair just looks

"windswept" or something maybe *G*

>It looks okay to me.

>--Christy

>

Guys, guys, the eyebrows don't seem right at all to me. And the neck is

kinda thin; I know it's just a doll, but *seriously*, c'mon. Actually, I

think it looks like Gloria Estefan (previous experience on this list

shows I

will probably be alone on that one...)

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

Subject: Re: Obsession

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:01:51 +0100

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I did a stupid thing- I lent my HC video to my ex best friend... she

didn't

boil it in oil or anything, but I only just got it back after four whole

days of anguish and torment.

She didn't get the movie at all. She's the kind of person who squeals

at the

sight of blood etc and I should have known she wouldn't appreciate the

genius.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get to, is, I'd like to know how the moider

scene

affected you all - I don't know if this has been discussed before, but

I'm

interested.

Alisha

xoxox

alisha1121@hotmail.com

kleinjan@btinternet.com

http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

"Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

movies make psychos more creative."

- Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

"I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

the better."

- David Duchovny. Amen.

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:31:44 GMT

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:42:20 -0700, Queen Jenny

<platinum_whore@geocities.com> wrote:

>> what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate

Winslet?

>

>This is a very, very, very BAD question to ask when i am returning to

the list..but i am not interested in making new enemies, so i will be a

good girl and keep quiet even though i WOULD like to get into

>my kate speech...i don't think everyone would approve.

So, this means you won't get the kw doll then? :)

Or maybe the special edition kw voodoo doll!

Oh well, you recommended ALL OVER ME to me, so as far as i'm concerned

you're a saint.

About kate, i think she's a pretty good actress. JUDE is my favorite

kate flick, and i think she's decent in HC, which of course is mel

lynskey's masterpiece. I haven't seen TITANIC.

--

Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

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001 - crystal <beckwith@Oswego. - End scene

002 - hanna bervoets <hanna-b@d - Re: I want to know

003 - hanna bervoets <hanna-b@d - HC poster

004 - Jason Schnebly <schnebly@ - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n951

005 - "M. Charles Frappier" <mc - Re: I want to know

006 - crystal <beckwith@Oswego. - Re: HC poster

007 - "M. Charles Frappier" <mc - Re: Obsession

008 - Queen Jenny <platinum_who - Re: i want to know

009 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: I want to know

010 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Obsession

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From: crystal <beckwith@Oswego.EDU>

Subject: End scene

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:39:23 -0400 (EDT)

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I actually end up fast forwarding thru that last scene...well at least

the

part that actually shows it and you can hear Honora...its her cries

that I

can't take. I watched it the first time I saw the movie, but I know what

happens so no need to see/hear it again.

Not to trivialize her death, but the movie has always been more about

the

girls friendship to me so the end with Juliet on the boat and Pauline

crying is just as painful...brings tears to my eyes everytime.

Crystal

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"We have decided how sad it is for other people that they cannot

appreciate our genious."-Pauline Parker

"Love is tender and knows no gender"-unknown

"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"-unknown

http://members.xoom.com/juliethulme/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Alisha wrote:

> I did a stupid thing- I lent my HC video to my ex best friend... she

didn't

> boil it in oil or anything, but I only just got it back after four

whole

> days of anguish and torment.

>

> She didn't get the movie at all. She's the kind of person who squeals

at the

> sight of blood etc and I should have known she wouldn't appreciate the

> genius.

>

> Anyway, what I'm trying to get to, is, I'd like to know how the

moider scene

> affected you all - I don't know if this has been discussed before,

but I'm

> interested.

>

>

> Alisha

> xoxox

>

>

> alisha1121@hotmail.com

> kleinjan@btinternet.com

> http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

>

>

> "Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

> movies make psychos more creative."

>

> - Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

>

>

> "I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

> 'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

> never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

> the better."

>

> - David Duchovny. Amen.

>

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From: hanna bervoets <hanna-b@dds.nl>

Subject: Re: I want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:13:07 +0200

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At 18:17 13-10-98 +0100, you wrote:

>>

>>what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate Winslet?

>

I remember seeing Titanic and thinking; "Who the hell is she!?" After

that I

just saw her as "the-Titanic-girl" I wasn't really crazy about Titanic

so

never really cared about Kate Winslet. But after I had seen HC that

changed.....

Most actors/actresses are just "acting" and don't seem to enjoy it all

that

much; they're just doing their job. But there are a very few that seem

to

enjoy acting so much that ya can just see it in the way they do it.

They are

so full of energy that it's almost like they're "giving" some of that

energy

to the audience. Only a very few people can do that, I only know 3 who

can :

Kate Winslet, Melanie Lynskey and this girl that goes to the same

school as

I do [you'll hear from her in the future] It's kinda hard to explain, I

hope

there are at least a couple of you who understand what I'm talking about

'cause if there aren't..well than I'm just making no sense..k, I'm just

rambling on now so I better stop.

Hanna

-hanna-b@dds.nl-

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From: hanna bervoets <hanna-b@dds.nl>

Subject: HC poster

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:35:41 +0200

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Does anyone know where I can order a HC poster on the internet?

I want one to hang above my bed ;)

Hanna

-hanna-b@dds.nl-

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Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n951

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> -------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n951 --------------

>

> 001 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Anne Perry news

> 002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: I want to know

> 003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: hi hi hi there

> 004 - Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot - Kate Winslet Rose doll

> 005 - Queen Jenny <platinum_who - Re: i want to know

> 006 - Christy Price <christy@ty - RE: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> 007 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: I want to know

> 008 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> 009 - "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinte - Re: Obsession

> 010 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen) - Re: i want to know

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n951.1 ---------------

>

> From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

> Subject: Re: Anne Perry news

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:50 +0100 (BST)

> MIME-Version: 1.0

> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

> In-Reply-To: <199810131314.GAA26373@lists1.best.com>

>

> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Pam wrote:

>

> > A book written by convicted murderess Anne Perry ----

previously

> > Juliet Hulme ---- has been turned into a movie for television by a

> > production company connected to Prince Edward.

>

> I watched the first 15 minutes, decided life's too short, and turned

off.

> The screenplay (not by AP) was even less convincing than Anne Perry's

> phonetic Cockney characters. I guess the production was just relying

on

> the shock value of AP's stories.

>

> Phil

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n951.2 ---------------

>

> From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

> Subject: Re: I want to know

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:26:58 -0400

> MIME-Version: 1.0

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>

> What is my opinion of Kate Winslet?

>

> When I met her, she was only 17 but had the maturity of a person twice

> her years. Her blue-grey eyes have an undeniable hypnotic quality to

> them. You feel as if they can stare right through you.

>

> She is immensely talented as an actress and could jump in and out of

> character at will (unlike many actors who need to remain "in

character"

> throughout the day).

>

> I wrote in my diary 5 years ago that she would be Oscar material. It

was

> just that obvious.

>

> She has shown herself capable of turning out one remarkable

performance

> after another. Some are obvious (Jude, HC) while some are less obvious

> (TITANIC- which shows her ability to keep her character consistent

over a

> long epic shoot- the acting eqivalent of Marathon running).

>

> She is also what crews call "a trooper". This means that she will give

> her all and play along in very extenuating circumstances. She is, by

no

> means, a "Diva".

>

> At this point, she needs to do something more "contemporary" as Kate

is

> very much a woman of her time. Audiences, however, have yet to see

that

> side of her.

>

> She can do comedy and tragedy; contemporary and period pieces. She is

a

> consummate professional who despite being nominated for Oscars half of

> her eligible years and starring in the Top Grossing film of all time,

has

> still many surprises left in store for us.

>

>

>

> (:^)]

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n951.3 ---------------

>

> From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

> Subject: Re: hi hi hi there

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:30:12 -0400

> MIME-Version: 1.0

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>

> Mad4Claire@aol.com wrote:

>

> >why in the world would they portray Melanie as

> >the fat, ugly, dumpie one? are they insane??!! my girl is

definately none of

> >those!! it made me very very mad. and i b*tched about it for the

rest of the

> >nite. grrrrrr......

>

> It's called acting.

>

> "They" are not portraying Melanie as the fat, ugly, dumpy one.

Melanie is

> playing her character as fat, ugly and dumpy. It's just another

example

> of the fine talent Mel is.

>

> (:^)]

>

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>

> From: Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot.msu.edu>

> Subject: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:06:02 -0400

> MIME-Version: 1.0

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> In-Reply-To: <199810131314.GAA26373@lists1.best.com>

>

> There's a picture of the Titanic Rose doll at:

> http://www.primenet.com/~btn/aft.html

>

> The face looks kinda like Kate, but the hair's weird.

> Minh

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n951.5 ---------------

>

> From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:42:20 -0700

> MIME-Version: 1.0

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> References: <199810131350.GAA10840@lists1.best.com>

>

> > what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate

Winslet?

>

> This is a very, very, very BAD question to ask when i am returning to

the list..but i am not interested in making new enemies, so i will be a

good girl and keep quiet even though i WOULD like to get into

> my kate speech...i don't think everyone would approve.

>

> -J

>

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>

> From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>

> Subject: RE: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:05:16 -0700

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> From: Minh Pham[SMTP:phamminh@pilot.msu.edu]

> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:06 AM

> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com

> Subject: Kate Winslet Rose doll

>

> There's a picture of the Titanic Rose doll at:

> http://www.primenet.com/~btn/aft.html

>

> The face looks kinda like Kate, but the hair's weird.

> Minh

>

> I just came from there. It does resemble Kate. The hair just looks

"windswept" or something maybe *G*

> It looks okay to me.

> --Christy

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>

> From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

> Subject: Re: I want to know

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:17:34 +0100

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> >

> >what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate

Winslet?

>

> I liked her in Titanic, but I hadn't seen HC then, and I think she

was *so*

> much better in that. Some people (ie my mother and her friend Ruth)

have

> compared me to her, but I don't see it myself. For a start, my

eyebrows are

> totally different. All in all, I think she's a pretty perfect person.

Except

> maybe for the smoking.

>

> Alisha

> xoxox

>

> alisha1121@hotmail.com

> kleinjan@btinternet.com

> http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

>

> "Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

> movies make psychos more creative."

>

> - Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

>

> "I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

> 'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

> never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

> the better."

>

> - David Duchovny. Amen.

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n951.8 ---------------

>

> From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

> Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:48:37 +0100

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>

> >There's a picture of the Titanic Rose doll at:

> >http://www.primenet.com/~btn/aft.html

> >

> >The face looks kinda like Kate, but the hair's weird.

> >Minh

> >

> >I just came from there. It does resemble Kate. The hair just looks

> "windswept" or something maybe *G*

> >It looks okay to me.

> >--Christy

> >

>

> Guys, guys, the eyebrows don't seem right at all to me. And the neck

is

> kinda thin; I know it's just a doll, but *seriously*, c'mon.

Actually, I

> think it looks like Gloria Estefan (previous experience on this list

shows I

> will probably be alone on that one...)

>

> Alisha

> xoxox

>

> alisha1121@hotmail.com

> kleinjan@btinternet.com

> http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

>

> "Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

> movies make psychos more creative."

>

> - Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

>

> "I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

> 'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

> never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

> the better."

>

> - David Duchovny. Amen.

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n951.9 ---------------

>

> From: "Alisha" <kleinjan@btinternet.com>

> Subject: Re: Obsession

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:01:51 +0100

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>

> I did a stupid thing- I lent my HC video to my ex best friend... she

didn't

> boil it in oil or anything, but I only just got it back after four

whole

> days of anguish and torment.

>

> She didn't get the movie at all. She's the kind of person who squeals

at the

> sight of blood etc and I should have known she wouldn't appreciate the

> genius.

>

> Anyway, what I'm trying to get to, is, I'd like to know how the

moider scene

> affected you all - I don't know if this has been discussed before,

but I'm

> interested.

>

> Alisha

> xoxox

>

> alisha1121@hotmail.com

> kleinjan@btinternet.com

> http://www.btinternet.com/~f.bean/frontx.htm

>

> "Don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos;

> movies make psychos more creative."

>

> - Billy Loomis, 'Scream'

>

> "I really like gratuitous nudity. I hate when people go

> 'I'll only do it if it makes sense for the movie.' It

> never makes sense. So I like it - the more gratuitous

> the better."

>

> - David Duchovny. Amen.

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n951.10 ---------------

>

> From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (jeroen)

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:31:44 GMT

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> References: <199810131350.GAA10840@lists1.best.com>

<199810131646.JAA01161@lists1.best.com>

> In-Reply-To: <199810131646.JAA01161@lists1.best.com>

>

> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:42:20 -0700, Queen Jenny

> <platinum_whore@geocities.com> wrote:

>

> >> what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate

Winslet?

> >

> >This is a very, very, very BAD question to ask when i am returning

to the list..but i am not interested in making new enemies, so i will

be a good girl and keep quiet even though i WOULD like to get into

> >my kate speech...i don't think everyone would approve.

>

> So, this means you won't get the kw doll then? :)

>

> Or maybe the special edition kw voodoo doll!

>

> Oh well, you recommended ALL OVER ME to me, so as far as i'm concerned

> you're a saint.

>

> About kate, i think she's a pretty good actress. JUDE is my favorite

> kate flick, and i think she's decent in HC, which of course is mel

> lynskey's masterpiece. I haven't seen TITANIC.

>

> --

> Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94

> All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.

> It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures

>

> --------------- END heavenly-c.v001.n951 ---------------

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From: "M. Charles Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>

Subject: Re: I want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:03:54 -0400

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I met Kate through HC a few years ago and, before Titanic came out, I

would

tell everyone: "The female lead from Titanic? Well, she's the girl from

HC!"

I think she's one of the best actresses of our generation (right along

with

wonderful Mel)

Charles

-----Original Message-----

From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 10:37 PM

Subject: I want to know

>

>

>

>

>

>

>what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate Winslet?

>_________________________________________________________

>DO YOU YAHOO!?

>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: crystal <beckwith@Oswego.EDU>

Subject: Re: HC poster

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:09:40 -0400 (EDT)

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www.pixposters.com has the German and US versions last time I checked

but

their inventory changes. If I remember the US one was $20 plus shipping,

and I thik the German one was $15.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"We have decided how sad it is for other people that they cannot

appreciate our genious."-Pauline Parker

"Love is tender and knows no gender"-unknown

"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"-unknown

http://members.xoom.com/juliethulme/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, hanna bervoets wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can order a HC poster on the internet?

> I want one to hang above my bed ;)

>

> Hanna

>

> -hanna-b@dds.nl-

>

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From: "M. Charles Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>

Subject: Re: Obsession

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:10:15 -0400

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>Anyway, what I'm trying to get to, is, I'd like to know how the moider

scene

>affected you all - I don't know if this has been discussed before, but

I'm

>interested.

I find myself practically unable to watch it. Thorughout the movie, I

get

fonder and fonder of Honora... to the point where when they're in the

tea

room, I hold back tears just dreading what's about to happen. I keep

trying

to "will" the plot to change, thinking, irrationally "Maybe this time

they

won't do it." Her death is horrible.

To me, it's almost unconceivable that the story of such a deep,

wonderful,

rich, creative friendship ends up like that. That makes me almost mad

at

Anne Perry for playing down what they felt. I mean, I understand her

playing down the moider but I think she shared something amazing with

Pauline and it would be great to hear her acknowledge it.

Charles

Lurker extraordinaire

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From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:14:18 -0700

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> So, this means you won't get the kw doll then? :)

60 dollars and the head is bigger than the body. I will never

understand corperate america, i think they just took the little mermaid

doll and made the eyebrows thicker.

> Oh well, you recommended ALL OVER ME to me, so as far as i'm concerned

> you're a saint.

Fantastic movie...I remember at that time i had a minor obsession...and

yet my favorite film has changed AGAIN..right now I have a thing for

Atom Egoyan's EXOTICA which i have seen over 15 times now and would

recommend to anyone.

> About kate, i think she's a pretty good actress. JUDE is my favorite

> kate flick, and i think she's decent in HC, which of course is mel

> lynskey's masterpiece. I haven't seen TITANIC.

good for you..oh the days i wish i hadn't. don't know what's bigger,

that damned boat or James Cameron's ego.

miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

her acting (even some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic

like she was nervous or something. I'm not one against going for

emotion...but it feels all wrong when she does it. It's a very

Streep-ish "I AM ACTING NOW" quality, unlike..say..oh i don't know,

Emily Watson (who will always be my absolute favorite actress of all

time.)

who gives the impression that everything is completely her. Not just in

BTW...Mill on the Floss amazed me, but i am going off topic. I don't

like Kate as an actress, but i really admire how instant fame

hasn't gone to her head. I have nothing against her fans . well ..

worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better role-model

than Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me. But

I'm anything but a Kate Winslet fan.

there, i said it, let the egging commense.

-J

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: I want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:38:37 +0200

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hanna bervoets wrote:

> I remember seeing Titanic and thinking; "Who the hell is she!?" After

that I

> just saw her as "the-Titanic-girl" I wasn't really crazy about

Titanic so

> never really cared about Kate Winslet.

Yes I did see Titanic, a day after the premiere in Holland. I didn't

even hate it. I was like: why's all the fuzz about that sinking boat and

Leo???? To me Kate was the one that made the film.

> Only a very few people can do that, I only know 3 who can :

> Kate Winslet, Melanie Lynskey and this girl that goes to the same

school as

> I do [you'll hear from her in the future]

What school are you in then?? *just curious as always*

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Obsession

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:34:15 +0200

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Alisha wrote:

>

> I did a stupid thing- I lent my HC video to my ex best friend... she

didn't

> boil it in oil or anything, but I only just got it back after four

whole

> days of anguish and torment.

Same thing happened to me. I lent one of my copies to a friend about 2

months ago..still didn't get it back. I'm glad I have more copies, it

once happened to me I couldn't watch HC for 3 weeks because I lent it to

a friend. Out of total misery I went out to pick it up, she hadn't even

watched it once...oh well...

And now I lent out my script!! woohaaa!! I wouldn't have done this if

the person I gave it to is the one girl I know in real life that

actuelly ADORES HC...*s*

> Anyway, what I'm trying to get to, is, I'd like to know how the

moider scene

> affected you all - I don't know if this has been discussed before,

but I'm

> interested.

I was just shocked, and I still am every time I watch it. Although I

know what's going to happen, i'm still thinking.."oh no, she isn't gonna

do it, is she???" The expression on their faces...the heartbreaking

cries of Juliet and the fading face of Melanie... devastating...

The reason that i'm still alive and able to talk about it, is probably

that I haven't seen it on the big screen...

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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001 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

002 - "M. Charles Frappier" <mc - Queen Jenny's egging... or maybe

not

003 - StarScully@aol.com - KW in Seventeen

004 - GinaGen@aol.com - HELP!!!

005 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

006 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: i want to know

007 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: HELP!!!

008 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - Re: i want to know

009 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - aaaahhh.. my kate... :)~~~~~

010 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - Re: i want to know

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From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:43:17 +0200

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Christy Price wrote:

> The face looks kinda like Kate, but the hair's weird.

> Minh

>

> I just came from there. It does resemble Kate. The hair just looks

"windswept" or something maybe *G*

> It looks okay to me.

> --Christy

The doll looks hilarious to me....never have I seen such a skinny Kate

in my entire life...the hair's pretty weird alright. Nope, I don't like

the doll at all...

Marloes

--

I'm so aware of where I am,

but I don't know where that is

Believe, K's Choice

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From: "M. Charles Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>

Subject: Queen Jenny's egging... or maybe not

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:51:49 -0400

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I applaud your candidness!

:)

Charles

PS : But of course, you're all wrong. ;)

-----Original Message-----

From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 4:03 PM

Subject: Re: i want to know

>> So, this means you won't get the kw doll then? :)

>

>60 dollars and the head is bigger than the body. I will never

understand

corperate america, i think they just took the little mermaid doll and

made

the eyebrows thicker.

>

>> Oh well, you recommended ALL OVER ME to me, so as far as i'm

concerned

>> you're a saint.

>

>Fantastic movie...I remember at that time i had a minor

obsession...and yet

my favorite film has changed AGAIN..right now I have a thing for Atom

Egoyan's EXOTICA which i have seen over 15 times now and would

>recommend to anyone.

>

>> About kate, i think she's a pretty good actress. JUDE is my favorite

>> kate flick, and i think she's decent in HC, which of course is mel

>> lynskey's masterpiece. I haven't seen TITANIC.

>

>good for you..oh the days i wish i hadn't. don't know what's bigger,

that

damned boat or James Cameron's ego.

>

>miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

her

acting (even some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic like

she

was nervous or something. I'm not one against going for

>emotion...but it feels all wrong when she does it. It's a very

Streep-ish

"I AM ACTING NOW" quality, unlike..say..oh i don't know, Emily Watson

(who

will always be my absolute favorite actress of all time.)

>who gives the impression that everything is completely her. Not just in

BTW...Mill on the Floss amazed me, but i am going off topic. I don't

like

Kate as an actress, but i really admire how instant fame

>hasn't gone to her head. I have nothing against her fans . well ..

worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better role-model

than

Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me. But

>I'm anything but a Kate Winslet fan.

>

>there, i said it, let the egging commense.

>

>-J

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From: StarScully@aol.com

Subject: KW in Seventeen

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:57:48 EDT

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I don't know if this was mentioned or not, but Kate is on the last page

of the

Nov. 98 issue of seventeen magazine.

*janel*

My Dark Victory

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywodd/Village/8279/

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From: GinaGen@aol.com

Subject: HELP!!!

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:57:12 EDT

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I need some kind person out there =) In movin from old comp to new, i

unfortunatly LOST the wav that goes "We have decided how sad..." and

corrupted

the one that goes "Im SOOO happy to see you." WOuld ANYONE be willing

to send

me a copy or a link to a site or sites that has these?? thanx!!!

karen

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:11:15 -0500

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~lyric~ wrote:

> The doll looks hilarious to me....never have I seen such a skinny Kate

> in my entire life...the hair's pretty weird alright. Nope, I don't

like

> the doll at all...

> Marloes

Take a look to the neck. Unreal.

Jose Antonio

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:18:03 -0500

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Queen Jenny wrote:

> > So, this means you won't get the kw doll then? :)

>

> 60 dollars and the head is bigger than the body. I will never

understand corperate america, i think they just took the little mermaid

doll and made the eyebrows thicker.

>

> > Oh well, you recommended ALL OVER ME to me, so as far as i'm

concerned

> > you're a saint.

>

> Fantastic movie...I remember at that time i had a minor

obsession...and yet my favorite film has changed AGAIN..right now I

have a thing for Atom Egoyan's EXOTICA which i have seen over 15 times

now and would

> recommend to anyone.

>

> > About kate, i think she's a pretty good actress. JUDE is my

favorite

> > kate flick, and i think she's decent in HC, which of course is mel

> > lynskey's masterpiece. I haven't seen TITANIC.

>

> good for you..oh the days i wish i hadn't. don't know what's bigger,

that damned boat or James Cameron's ego.

>

> miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

her acting (even some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic

like she was nervous or something. I'm not one against going for

> emotion...but it feels all wrong when she does it. It's a very

Streep-ish "I AM ACTING NOW" quality, unlike..say..oh i don't know,

Emily Watson (who will always be my absolute favorite actress of all

time.)

> who gives the impression that everything is completely her. Not just

in BTW...Mill on the Floss amazed me, but i am going off topic. I don't

like Kate as an actress, but i really admire how instant fame

> hasn't gone to her head. I have nothing against her fans . well ..

worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better role-model

than Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me. But

> I'm anything but a Kate Winslet fan.

>

> there, i said it, let the egging commense.

>

> -J

Valid and respectful opinion in deed. Freedom in mind!

My question is: ¿Why are you subscribed to this list?

José Antonio

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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

Subject: Re: HELP!!!

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:26:56 -0500

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I have the one "I´m soo happy..." but I'm not sure about the fis¿rst

one. I'll

check at home. As soon as I check I'll send them.

José Antonio

GinaGen@aol.com wrote:

> I need some kind person out there =) In movin from old comp to new, i

> unfortunatly LOST the wav that goes "We have decided how sad..." and

corrupted

> the one that goes "Im SOOO happy to see you." WOuld ANYONE be willing

to send

> me a copy or a link to a site or sites that has these?? thanx!!!

>

> karen

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From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:37:42 -0700 (PDT)

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>

> This is a very, very, very BAD question to ask when i am returning

to the list..but i am not interested in making new enemies, so i will

be a good girl and keep quiet even though i WOULD like to get into

> my kate speech...i don't think everyone would approve.

>

> -J

hmmm..I am intrested..maybe slightly intreruged by that slightly

enpassioned answer...so you desiire to stear clear of the fencing

match that may be inspired by your true feelings?..I am assuming that

you do not think most highly of Ms. Winslet...? hmm?

A

_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

Subject: aaaahhh.. my kate... :)~~~~~

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:42:24 EDT

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In a message dated 98-10-13 10:10:27 EDT, you write:

> what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate Winslet?

my opinion on kate...oh boy.. as most of my "normal" friends would

respond to

this"dont even get rachel started.." but now you have got me started..

if i

can just think of where exactly i should start -- oh god i cant find

the words

even... i should say the most amazing,beautiful, sweet, funny, talented,

absolutely brilliant and wonderful etc etc.. person i've ever met and

probably

ever will have the honor to meet... BUT, i think my thoughts of her

can be

summed up better by just...

"OOOHHH MY GOD I LOVE YOU KAAAATTTTEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

and ya know... an occasional day trip to her lawn with some banannas

wouldnt

hurt either (LOL@Melissa!!!)... sorry, had to say it! hah!

ok, love yas!

~Rachel~

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From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT)

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-

> miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

her acting (even some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic

like she was nervous or something. I'm not one against going for

> emotion...but it feels all wrong when she does it. It's a very

Streep-ish "I AM ACTING NOW" quality, unlike..say..oh i don't know

I see slightly what you are saying, I found a bit in titanic that very

quality...but I think it goes along with all of the roles she has

taken..there seems to be a very imature undertone to all of those

roles..hmmm...I'm sure I'll get into it more later....okay I promise *S*

, Emily Watson (who will always be my absolute favorite actress of all

time.)

> who gives the impression that everything is completely her. Not just

in BTW...Mill on the Floss amazed me, but i am going off topic. I

don't like Kate as an actress, but i really admire how instant fame

> hasn't gone to her head. I have nothing against her fans . well ..

worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better role-model

than Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me. But

> I'm anything but a Kate Winslet fan.

15 year olds ay? well maybe you dislike for Kate as an actress stems

from the fact that al of her roles have just about swam in that age

area...maybe it is hard for one to enjoy acting by someone so young,

maybe a feeling of "how dare she attempt to understand things that one

her age can bearly come to grips with" ..I don't know ..this may all

seem very arbitury, it was a rough day..as to 15 year olds...being not

so far from that age, I hope that you can see beyond the age of my

body and accept the age of my mind and soul. Disliking one for a

reason such as age, I believe, shows imaturity in whatever age one may

be ....more later..i'm sure

Anna

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001 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - Re: i want to know

002 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - what was that?!

003 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - Re: aaaahhh.. my kate... :)~~~~~

004 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: i want to know

005 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - More about Kate

006 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: More about Kate

007 - Jason Schnebly <schnebly@ - unsubscribe

008 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Kate voted "Best Bod" in UK

009 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: More about Kate

010 - Queen Jenny <platinum_who - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

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From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT)

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---Queen Jenny wrote:

>

> > So, this means you won't get the kw doll then? :)

>

> 60 dollars and the head is bigger than the body. I will never

understand corperate america, i think they just took the little

mermaid doll and made the eyebrows thicker.

>

> > Oh well, you recommended ALL OVER ME to me, so as far as i'm

concerned

> > you're a saint.

>

> Fantastic movie...I remember at that time i had a minor

obsession...and yet my favorite film has changed AGAIN..right now I

have a thing for Atom Egoyan's EXOTICA which i have seen over 15 times

now and would

> recommend to anyone.

>

> > About kate, i think she's a pretty good actress. JUDE is my

favorite

> > kate flick, and i think she's decent in HC, which of course is mel

> > lynskey's masterpiece. I haven't seen TITANIC.

>

> good for you..oh the days i wish i hadn't. don't know what's bigger,

that damned boat or James Cameron's ego.

>

> miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

her acting (even some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic

like she was nervous or something. I'm not one against going for

> emotion...but it feels all wrong when she does it. It's a very

Streep-ish "I AM ACTING NOW" quality, unlike..say..oh i don't know,

Emily Watson (who will always be my absolute favorite actress of all

time.)

> who gives the impression that everything is completely her. Not just

in BTW...Mill on the Floss amazed me, but i am going off topic. I

don't like Kate as an actress, but i really admire how instant fame

> hasn't gone to her head. I have nothing against her fans . well ..

worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better role-model

than Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me. But

> I'm anything but a Kate Winslet fan.

>

> there, i said it, let the egging commense.

>

> -J

>

>

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From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

Subject: what was that?!

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:06:49 EDT

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>>>worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better

role-model than

Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me.>>>

(sorry thi is to the list buti lost the senders e-mail addy!)

alright... first of all, i do love kate.. but i totally respect your

opinions

of her acting and all.. and thats cool that you just see her as a cool

person

and stuff... but um ok.. until last week I WAS 15!!!!! (it was just my

birthday) um.. excuse me?!?!?! i see absolutely nothing wrong with

being 15

years old... bothering factors should be judged by a persons maturity

and not

by a general age group.... noone that mets me believes im actually

15...I was

invited(and went) to the Tony awards last year by a guy who thought my

friend

and I were 22...hell, even Kate didnt think I was 15 last february!..

yet some

15 year olds give the impression that they are 12 by swooning over

leeeoooo..

and all that crap... so listen, Id really like to know now what makes

me such

a bother to you considering what age I am...

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Subject: Re: aaaahhh.. my kate... :)~~~~~

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:16:50 -0700 (PDT)

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lol..so is it safe to say that quite a few list members(male and

female) happen to be inlove with kate?

A

> > what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate

Winslet?

> my opinion on kate...oh boy.. as most of my "normal" friends would

respond to

> this"dont even get rachel started.." but now you have got me

started.. if i

> can just think of where exactly i should start -- oh god i cant find

the words

> even... i should say the most amazing,beautiful, sweet, funny,

talented,

> absolutely brilliant and wonderful etc etc.. person i've ever met

and probably

> ever will have the honor to meet... BUT, i think my thoughts of her

can be

> summed up better by just...

> "OOOHHH MY GOD I LOVE YOU KAAAATTTTEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

> and ya know... an occasional day trip to her lawn with some banannas

wouldnt

> hurt either (LOL@Melissa!!!)... sorry, had to say it! hah!

> ok, love yas!

> ~Rachel~

>

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: Re: i want to know

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:17:57 -0300

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> 60 dollars and the head is bigger than the body. I will never

understand corperate america, i think they just took the little mermaid

doll and made the eyebrows thicker.

Hahaha! Said it all!

> James Cameron's ego.

Yeah, that makes me sick too.

> It's a very Streep-ish "I AM ACTING NOW" quality,

Well, I respect your opinion, and what you say even makes sense. But I

think it's a matter of acting technique. Not all actors/actresses are

the same; in fact what you said reminds me of actors with theatre

background, people who are trained to have a specific kind of body, face

and voice techniques which are directed to the stage. Theatre-trained

actors are more "evident" when acting, in this sense. Or am I saying

anything wrong? I'm no expert on that, it's just what I've been

noticing. And this doesn't even mean that Kate's acting is

stage-oriented, I don't really know this kind of detail about her

background.

Personally, I prefer actors which rely more on their facial expressions,

people like Vanessa Redgrave and Liv Ullmann (Bergman's actors in

general). I think Mel's going this way, her facial expressions are one

of the main keys on HC. She only needs more experience - not that she's

not good, it's because she's really good that she'll develop this even

more with time.

Good to see the list's back with lots of things to discuss.

:*

Juliana.

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: More about Kate

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About my opinion of Kate...

This was something I wanted to say back in the days of the "meeting

celebs" thread, which for some reason I didn't participate.

I think Kate's a fantastic actress and she also seems to be a very nice

person. I really like to meet her. I mean, not as a "celebrity and mad

fan" thing, but as normal people meet each other.

I don't have "idols" anymore. I met some of the people I most adored on

this planet and they were just normal, and I loved that. I'm talking

about the guys of 10000 Maniacs (not with Natalie Merchant anymore,

though), they came here to Brazil twice and I got to meet them several

times while they were here. We talked as friends, went out to eat pizza,

they wanted us (that is, me and some friends) to watch the soundchecks

and go to the VIP sector of the Rio de Janeiro show. They allowed us to

tape all concerts. When they came back for another show this year, the

drummer's wife even said she remembered us every day because she had put

a picture of us all on her fridge door...

This little tale is just to tell you that the people we most admire in

this world deserve that, normal human relationships. I feel for Kate,

she surely doesn't have a chance for this anymore.

:*

Juliana.

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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>

Subject: Re: More about Kate

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:58:32 -0300

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> I really like to meet her.

I mean, I WOULD. Sorry about that, I'm tired. Can't even think in

Portuguese now...

:*

Juliana.

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Subject: unsubscribe

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heavenly-c-errors@lists.best.com wrote:

> -------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n953 --------------

>

> 001 - ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature - Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> 002 - "M. Charles Frappier" <mc - Queen Jenny's egging... or

maybe not

> 003 - StarScully@aol.com - KW in Seventeen

> 004 - GinaGen@aol.com - HELP!!!

> 005 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> 006 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: i want to know

> 007 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Re: HELP!!!

> 008 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - Re: i want to know

> 009 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - aaaahhh.. my kate... :)~~~~~

> 010 - dream lover <yourdreamluv - Re: i want to know

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n953.1 ---------------

>

> From: ~lyric~ <heavenlycreature@innocent.com>

> Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:43:17 +0200

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>

> Christy Price wrote:

>

> > The face looks kinda like Kate, but the hair's weird.

> > Minh

> >

> > I just came from there. It does resemble Kate. The hair just looks

"windswept" or something maybe *G*

> > It looks okay to me.

> > --Christy

>

> The doll looks hilarious to me....never have I seen such a skinny Kate

> in my entire life...the hair's pretty weird alright. Nope, I don't

like

> the doll at all...

>

> Marloes

>

> --

> I'm so aware of where I am,

> but I don't know where that is

>

> Believe, K's Choice

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n953.2 ---------------

>

> From: "M. Charles Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>

> Subject: Queen Jenny's egging... or maybe not

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:51:49 -0400

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>

> I applaud your candidness!

>

> :)

>

> Charles

>

> PS : But of course, you're all wrong. ;)

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>

> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 4:03 PM

> Subject: Re: i want to know

>

> >> So, this means you won't get the kw doll then? :)

> >

> >60 dollars and the head is bigger than the body. I will never

understand

> corperate america, i think they just took the little mermaid doll and

made

> the eyebrows thicker.

> >

> >> Oh well, you recommended ALL OVER ME to me, so as far as i'm

concerned

> >> you're a saint.

> >

> >Fantastic movie...I remember at that time i had a minor

obsession...and yet

> my favorite film has changed AGAIN..right now I have a thing for Atom

> Egoyan's EXOTICA which i have seen over 15 times now and would

> >recommend to anyone.

> >

> >> About kate, i think she's a pretty good actress. JUDE is my

favorite

> >> kate flick, and i think she's decent in HC, which of course is mel

> >> lynskey's masterpiece. I haven't seen TITANIC.

> >

> >good for you..oh the days i wish i hadn't. don't know what's bigger,

that

> damned boat or James Cameron's ego.

> >

> >miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

her

> acting (even some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic

like she

> was nervous or something. I'm not one against going for

> >emotion...but it feels all wrong when she does it. It's a very

Streep-ish

> "I AM ACTING NOW" quality, unlike..say..oh i don't know, Emily Watson

(who

> will always be my absolute favorite actress of all time.)

> >who gives the impression that everything is completely her. Not just

in

> BTW...Mill on the Floss amazed me, but i am going off topic. I don't

like

> Kate as an actress, but i really admire how instant fame

> >hasn't gone to her head. I have nothing against her fans . well ..

> worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better

role-model than

> Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me. But

> >I'm anything but a Kate Winslet fan.

> >

> >there, i said it, let the egging commense.

> >

> >-J

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n953.3 ---------------

>

> From: StarScully@aol.com

> Subject: KW in Seventeen

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:57:48 EDT

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>

> I don't know if this was mentioned or not, but Kate is on the last

page of the

> Nov. 98 issue of seventeen magazine.

>

> *janel*

>

> My Dark Victory

> http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywodd/Village/8279/

>

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>

> From: GinaGen@aol.com

> Subject: HELP!!!

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:57:12 EDT

> MIME-Version: 1.0

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>

> I need some kind person out there =) In movin from old comp to new, i

> unfortunatly LOST the wav that goes "We have decided how sad..." and

corrupted

> the one that goes "Im SOOO happy to see you." WOuld ANYONE be willing

to send

> me a copy or a link to a site or sites that has these?? thanx!!!

>

> karen

>

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>

> From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

> Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Rose doll

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:11:15 -0500

> MIME-Version: 1.0

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<199810132051.NAA28595@lists1.best.com>

>

> ~lyric~ wrote:

> > The doll looks hilarious to me....never have I seen such a skinny

Kate

> > in my entire life...the hair's pretty weird alright. Nope, I don't

like

> > the doll at all...

> > Marloes

>

> Take a look to the neck. Unreal.

>

> Jose Antonio

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n953.6 ---------------

>

> From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:18:03 -0500

> MIME-Version: 1.0

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> References: <199810131834.LAA14858@lists1.best.com>

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>

> Queen Jenny wrote:

>

> > > So, this means you won't get the kw doll then? :)

> >

> > 60 dollars and the head is bigger than the body. I will never

understand corperate america, i think they just took the little mermaid

doll and made the eyebrows thicker.

> >

> > > Oh well, you recommended ALL OVER ME to me, so as far as i'm

concerned

> > > you're a saint.

> >

> > Fantastic movie...I remember at that time i had a minor

obsession...and yet my favorite film has changed AGAIN..right now I

have a thing for Atom Egoyan's EXOTICA which i have seen over 15 times

now and would

> > recommend to anyone.

> >

> > > About kate, i think she's a pretty good actress. JUDE is my

favorite

> > > kate flick, and i think she's decent in HC, which of course is mel

> > > lynskey's masterpiece. I haven't seen TITANIC.

> >

> > good for you..oh the days i wish i hadn't. don't know what's

bigger, that damned boat or James Cameron's ego.

> >

> > miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of

me. her acting (even some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and

melodramatic like she was nervous or something. I'm not one against

going for

> > emotion...but it feels all wrong when she does it. It's a very

Streep-ish "I AM ACTING NOW" quality, unlike..say..oh i don't know,

Emily Watson (who will always be my absolute favorite actress of all

time.)

> > who gives the impression that everything is completely her. Not

just in BTW...Mill on the Floss amazed me, but i am going off topic. I

don't like Kate as an actress, but i really admire how instant fame

> > hasn't gone to her head. I have nothing against her fans . well ..

worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better role-model

than Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me. But

> > I'm anything but a Kate Winslet fan.

> >

> > there, i said it, let the egging commense.

> >

> > -J

>

> Valid and respectful opinion in deed. Freedom in mind!

> My question is: ¿Why are you subscribed to this list?

>

> José Antonio

>

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>

> From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>

> Subject: Re: HELP!!!

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:26:56 -0500

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>

> I have the one "I´m soo happy..." but I'm not sure about the fis¿rst

one. I'll

> check at home. As soon as I check I'll send them.

>

> José Antonio

>

> GinaGen@aol.com wrote:

>

> > I need some kind person out there =) In movin from old comp to new,

i

> > unfortunatly LOST the wav that goes "We have decided how sad..."

and corrupted

> > the one that goes "Im SOOO happy to see you." WOuld ANYONE be

willing to send

> > me a copy or a link to a site or sites that has these?? thanx!!!

> >

> > karen

>

> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n953.8 ---------------

>

> From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:37:42 -0700 (PDT)

> MIME-Version: 1.0

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>

> >

> > This is a very, very, very BAD question to ask when i am returning

> to the list..but i am not interested in making new enemies, so i will

> be a good girl and keep quiet even though i WOULD like to get into

> > my kate speech...i don't think everyone would approve.

> >

> > -J

>

> hmmm..I am intrested..maybe slightly intreruged by that slightly

> enpassioned answer...so you desiire to stear clear of the fencing

> match that may be inspired by your true feelings?..I am assuming that

> you do not think most highly of Ms. Winslet...? hmm?

>

> A

>

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>

> From: Rosedwson4@aol.com

> Subject: aaaahhh.. my kate... :)~~~~~

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:42:24 EDT

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>

> In a message dated 98-10-13 10:10:27 EDT, you write:

>

> > what is the opion of those on the list of the subject of Kate

Winslet?

> my opinion on kate...oh boy.. as most of my "normal" friends would

respond to

> this"dont even get rachel started.." but now you have got me

started.. if i

> can just think of where exactly i should start -- oh god i cant find

the words

> even... i should say the most amazing,beautiful, sweet, funny,

talented,

> absolutely brilliant and wonderful etc etc.. person i've ever met and

probably

> ever will have the honor to meet... BUT, i think my thoughts of her

can be

> summed up better by just...

> "OOOHHH MY GOD I LOVE YOU KAAAATTTTEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

> and ya know... an occasional day trip to her lawn with some banannas

wouldnt

> hurt either (LOL@Melissa!!!)... sorry, had to say it! hah!

> ok, love yas!

> ~Rachel~

>

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>

> From: dream lover <yourdreamluver@yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: i want to know

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT)

> MIME-Version: 1.0

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>

> -

> > miniature kate speech version: she annoys the living hell out of me.

> her acting (even some parts of HC) seems so unnatural and melodramatic

> like she was nervous or something. I'm not one against going for

> > emotion...but it feels all wrong when she does it. It's a very

> Streep-ish "I AM ACTING NOW" quality, unlike..say..oh i don't know

> I see slightly what you are saying, I found a bit in titanic that very

> quality...but I think it goes along with all of the roles she has

> taken..there seems to be a very imature undertone to all of those

> roles..hmmm...I'm sure I'll get into it more later....okay I promise

*S*

>

> , Emily Watson (who will always be my absolute favorite actress of all

> time.)

> > who gives the impression that everything is completely her. Not just

> in BTW...Mill on the Floss amazed me, but i am going off topic. I

> don't like Kate as an actress, but i really admire how instant fame

> > hasn't gone to her head. I have nothing against her fans . well ..

> worshipful 15 year olds maybe..but I suppose she's a better role-model

> than Drew Barrymore. oh well, 15 year olds in general bother me. But

> > I'm anything but a Kate Winslet fan.

> 15 year olds ay? well maybe you dislike for Kate as an actress stems

> from the fact that al of her roles have just about swam in that age

> area...maybe it is hard for one to enjoy acting by someone so young,

> maybe a feeling of "how dare she attempt to understand things that one

> her age can bearly come to grips with" ..I don't know ..this may all

> seem very arbitury, it was a rough day..as to 15 year olds...being not

> so far from that age, I hope that you can see beyond the age of my

> body and accept the age of my mind and soul. Disliking one for a

> reason such as age, I believe, shows imaturity in whatever age one may

> be ....more later..i'm sure

> Anna

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Kate voted "Best Bod" in UK

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:47:34 -0400

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The following was posted on the Mr. Showbiz Website today.

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Tuesday, October 13, 1998 12:30 PM

Quick Hits: Kate Winslet and More

Kate Winslet has been crowned "Body of the Year" in a national

poll in England. The curvaceous Titanic star beat out such string

beans as Sporty Spice to take top honors in the survey, which was

conducted by Nivea.

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Nice to see that distinction after all these "Kate takes water" stories.

I'll certainly vouch for her "beating" Mel C. I stood a few feet away

from Sporty Spice at the opening of the Montreal Planet Hollywood

earlier

this summer and, frankly, I couldn't see what all the hooplah's about.

Besides, that metal tooth is a real turnoff.

Nosiree, as someone who's seen both in the flesh, I can honestly say

Nivea's

survey reflects my preferences.

(:^)]

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>

Subject: Re: More about Kate

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:03:05 -0400

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Juliana Bastos wrote:

>I don't have "idols" anymore. I met some of the people I most adored on

>this planet and they were just normal, and I loved that.

I have to say that, over the years, I've met most of the people I

wished

to meet. They are normal people and they often crave to be treated as

such.

They get turned off most by people who confuse their onscreen personas

with who they are (and won't make an effort to find out).

They also get turned off by folks who think that acting and being a

role

model go hand in hand. (Case in point: Kate and her blessed smokes.)

In some cases, I met celebs I wasn't a big fan of and they were real

cool

people as well. Some of them left a lasting impression although it

didn't

make me more a fan of their work. I just learned to distinguish between

the real and the percieved more.

I also met a few celebs who did let their publicity go to their

heads.Most of my faves, however, turned out to be OK.

(:^)]

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From: Queen Jenny <platinum_whore@geocities.com>

Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n953

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:00:52 -0700

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References: <199810140006.RAA03189@lists1.best.com>

> Valid and respectful opinion in deed. Freedom in mind!

> My question is: ¿Why are you subscribed to this list?

I was not aware this was a Kate Winslet mailing list...but maybe I am

wrong, i've been away so damned long I wouldn't know. I love HC. I

adore Melanie Lynskey. I've always had a weak spot for a fine film and

HC is

that and more, even though it's been forever and a day since I've

broken out that video tape.

and besides..i've been on this thing for almost 3 years, can't bring

myself to leave. You're all stuck with me.

-J

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