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    001 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - RE: HC soundtrack
    002 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: Why in the world...
    003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: not fave movies etc...
    004 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: she should die?
    005 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: not fave movies etc...
    006 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - Alternatibve HC Titles
    007 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Why in the world...
    008 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: she should die?
    009 - StarScully@aol.com        - Re: Why in the world...
    010 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re:Goodman

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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: HC soundtrack
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:29:09 -0700 (PDT)
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Dear Creatures,

I ordered the HC soundtrack from the production company (Mana Music)
in Melbourne, Australia. You can email them at:

julie@mana.com.au

and they can send you details of where to send cheques, etc. I paid
$19.95 Australian dollars.

Their address is:

Mana Music 
117 Rouse Street 
Port Melbourne VIC 3207

When I emailed them I recieved an email back from Chris Gough, the
executive producer of the soundtrack - which I thought was pretty
nice. It was a very speedy reply, which I love :))

Kind regards,

Jane

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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Why in the world...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:22:08 GMT
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On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:54:34 +0200, lyric <dalyric@writeme.com> wrote:

>And I'm sure Jeroen doesn't hate me for liking Barbra Streisand, Right
>Jeroen??? *s*

Eheh.  I couldn't hate anybody who loves NBK.  Or HC.  Now only tell
me you like JUDE and LEON and you can even get away with saying jim
carrey is a brilliant commedian.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:22:09 GMT
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:52:39 +1000 (EST), Aileen Dayao
<n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote:

>which Hamlet are you referring to? the recent Kenneth Branagh one? i
have
>this on tape, still haven't had a chance to watch it....

Kenneth's, of course.  Mel gibson's tourist version of hamlet is
laughable.

Really, watch it, it's brilliant.  Also try to find a cinema that is
showing the 70mm print.

>a few others i'd consider in the worst films would be THE FLINTSTONES,

God how could i forget that one.  Really, john goodman's only good
performance is in david byrne's TRUE STORIES.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: she should die?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:22:08 GMT
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On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:46:04 +0200, lyric <dalyric@writeme.com> wrote:

>> Besides wasn't it oscar wilde who said that vegetarians are the most
>> violent people?  Well i've proven him right.
>
>Amen! All hail Mr Wilde!!! (-: No serious, when did he say that? I have
>a lot of his statements somewhere, but I can't remember ever seeing
this
>one. In the Preface of 'The Picture of Dorian Grey' he also has a lot
of
>art statements, but no other ones...I'd love to know where you got that
>one from!

I looked it up, it's in the 'morrissey & marr - the severed alliance'
book by johnny rogan.  On page 218 it says:

Long before the fuhrer's arrival, radical carnivores had mockingly
targeted vegetarians as society's true aggressors.  The politics of
ridicule were a handy weapon.  One figure who led the attack was
morrissey's victorian mentor oscar wilde.  He wrote: "it is strange
that the most violent republicans i know are all vegetarians.
Brussels sprouts seem to make people blood thirsty adn those who live
on lentils and artichokes are always calling for the gore of the
aristocracy and the severed heads of kings."  Wilde's words took on an
amusingly ironical ring in view of morrissey's blood thirsty swipes at
the royal family and demands for the guillotined head of margaret
thatcher.  If morrissey's dictum was "meat is murder" then wilde's
witty reply was "violence is vegetarian."

There's no footnote on where the wilde quote came from though.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:40:37 +0100 (BST)
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> >which Hamlet are you referring to? the recent Kenneth Branagh one? i
have
> >this on tape, still haven't had a chance to watch it....
> 
> Really, watch it, it's brilliant.  Also try to find a cinema that is
> showing the 70mm print.

Since Sandra's allowed to cry out in agony over La Boheme I'm going to
say
that I can't imagine a less interesting film of Hamlet than Branagh's.

The music is pseudo-Elgar patriotic rubbish (which is even anachronistic
with the 19th Century setting, God help us), the photography, all 70 mm
of
it, is thoughtless, substituting a relentlessly circling camera for any
attempt at innovative or expressive visuals (who cares if it's cristal
clear if it's boring?) & the sound-editing is dreadful: it's painfully
obvious that the editorial team got scared at the length of the film and
clipped the silences between the actors' lines (so even if the acting
was
good, it has been cut to shreds in post-production).

This last problem, of course, was caused by Branagh's idiotic idea of
doing 'the full text', a scheme that would have amused Shakespeare no
end
(since he ever only worried about 'the playable text'), although he
would
have understood the financial motive involved (selling the video to
schools seemed to me to be this movie's raison d'etre)

Derek Jacobi, Richard Briers and Julie Christie have their moments, & at
least Claudius' and Polonius' characters are developed. Jack Lemmon is
an
embarrassment, and much as I like some of the other actors, they just
don't work here, even Michael Maloney.  Kate Winslet isn't any less good
than any other Ophelia, maybe better than most, but Ophelia can't make a
Hamlet.

All in all the archetypal moment for me is when poor Simon Russell
Beale,
a Shakespearian actor of genius (as his Ariel suggested and his Iago
magnificently proved), has to play second fiddle to Billy Cristal's
gravedigger.  I've nothing against Billy, I rather like him, but it was
just embarrassing to watch.  That's the problem with this film, it
wastes
loads of talent: Patrick Doyle, Ken B, Kate, Cristal,... Compared to,
say,
Richard McKellen's bravura Richard III, it doesn't stand up.

Phew!  Flame at will!  Maybe I'd better apply a little salve by saying
that, by comparison, Jude is quite a good flick!

Cheers,

Phil



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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: Alternatibve HC Titles
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:57:20 +0100
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Hiya,

Carrying on with the HC titles
theme, I was wondering if
anyone had any idea's about
alternative titles (and tag
line*) for the film.This is
only meant light heartedly and
are not meant to ridicule the
film as I cannot think of a
more perfect title to describe
the film.

So instead of "Heavenly
Creatures"....Not all angels
are innocent

Here are some ideas of mine:

"Pauline & Julietes wonderful
day out"....a relationship
built of  bricks and moider !

"What I did during my holidays
".....

"From Mario to Moider"...

any other suggestions?

Stephen.

* I can't remeber the correct
title for the line that
accompanies a film title of
the poster.






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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Why in the world...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:16:10 +0200
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Jeroen wrote:

> Eheh.  I couldn't hate anybody who loves NBK.  Or HC.  Now only tell
> me you like JUDE and LEON and you can even get away with saying jim
> carrey is a brilliant commedian.

Haven't seen Jude yet...same story as Sister my Sister, they don't rent
it here...
And I've never heard of Leon...what's that?

BTW: I don't think that anyone who loves NBK is a mass-murderer!!! Then
I would be a drug-addict for loving Trainspotting!! LOL

take car,
Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: she should die?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:21:47 +0200
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Jeroen wrote:

> I looked it up, it's in the 'morrissey & marr - the severed alliance'
> book by johnny rogan.  On page 218 it says:
> 
> Long before the fuhrer's arrival, radical carnivores had mockingly
> targeted vegetarians as society's true aggressors.  The politics of
> ridicule were a handy weapon.  One figure who led the attack was
> morrissey's victorian mentor oscar wilde.  He wrote: "it is strange
> that the most violent republicans i know are all vegetarians.
> Brussels sprouts seem to make people blood thirsty adn those who live
> on lentils and artichokes are always calling for the gore of the
> aristocracy and the severed heads of kings."  Wilde's words took on an
> amusingly ironical ring in view of morrissey's blood thirsty swipes at
> the royal family and demands for the guillotined head of margaret
> thatcher.  If morrissey's dictum was "meat is murder" then wilde's
> witty reply was "violence is vegetarian."
> 
> There's no footnote on where the wilde quote came from though.

Thank you! That was interesting to read!

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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From: StarScully@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why in the world...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:40:44 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-29 10:04:44 EDT, Marloes wrote:

<< And I've never heard of Leon...what's that? >>

If it is the movie i'm thinking of, it was released here in the US by
the
title "The Professional"...very good IMO.  Natalie Portman was in it,
stunning
actress.

*janel*


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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re:Goodman
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 15:19:08 -0400
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Jeroen wrote:

>Really, john goodman's only good
>performance is in david byrne's TRUE STORIES.

You are forgetting RAISING ARIZONA, BARTON FINK and MATINEE. 


(:^)]



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    001 - IrishEMT12@aol.com        - Re: Alternatibve HC Titles
    002 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: Why in the world...
    003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - hamlet bashing
    004 - "Rob Wilks" <robert.wilks - Unsubscribe!!
    005 - KTYerves@aol.com          - HC soundtrack...
    006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - KW Update
    007 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera
    008 - Vomit Spice <Netdance@wor - Re: not fave movies etc...
    009 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: not fave movies etc...
    010 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Sister My Sister

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From: IrishEMT12@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alternatibve HC Titles
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:19:37 EDT
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this is probably already a movie or book title, but I think it fits,

"Loves Labor Lost"

I will think of some more. 

Jennifer EMT-B


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Why in the world...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:24:58 GMT
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:16:10 +0200, lyric <dalyric@writeme.com> wrote:

>Jeroen wrote:
>
>> Eheh.  I couldn't hate anybody who loves NBK.  Or HC.  Now only tell
>> me you like JUDE and LEON and you can even get away with saying jim
>> carrey is a brilliant commedian.
>
>Haven't seen Jude yet...same story as Sister my Sister, they don't rent
>it here...

If you want i can send you a vhs copy of SMS.

>And I've never heard of Leon...what's that?

LEON is called THE PROFESSIONAL in the US.  It's a beautiful little
love story, starring jean reno, natalie portman (one of the most
promissing actresses imho) and the always brilliant gary oldman.  The
film has a lot of violence, but that's not what it's about, at all.

Rent it, you'll love it.  And again, make sure you get the 2.35:1
widescreen version, and preferrably the 'version longue' with 20
minutes extra footage.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: hamlet bashing
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:24:57 GMT
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:40:37 +0100 (BST), Phil West
<pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>Since Sandra's allowed to cry out in agony over La Boheme I'm going to
say
>that I can't imagine a less interesting film of Hamlet than Branagh's.
>
>The music is pseudo-Elgar patriotic rubbish (which is even
anachronistic

Agreed, i don't care much for the music.  Kate's song is beautiful
though.

>with the 19th Century setting, God help us), the photography, all 70
mm of
>it, is thoughtless, substituting a relentlessly circling camera for any
>attempt at innovative or expressive visuals (who cares if it's cristal
>clear if it's boring?) & the sound-editing is dreadful: it's painfully

I love the visuals!  I'm one of those people that can appreciate a
film solely on how it looks (e.g. THE FIFTH ELEMENT, SPAWN).  A big
part of my love for KB's HAMLET is based on the beautiful sets and
cinematography.  But, you have to see it on 70mm film to really
appreciate it, as even line-doubled ntsc video just doesn't cut it.
Can't wait for the anamorphic dvd...

>Derek Jacobi, Richard Briers and Julie Christie have their moments, &
at
>least Claudius' and Polonius' characters are developed. Jack Lemmon is
an

No argument there.  Jack lemmon and those other clowns like robin
williams and gerard depardieu were a big mistake.

>just embarrassing to watch.  That's the problem with this film, it
wastes
>loads of talent: Patrick Doyle, Ken B, Kate, Cristal,... Compared to,
say,

How exactly is kate's talent wasted?  I'm no big kate fan, but i
thought she was perfect for the part (although her first scene walking
outside the castle in the snow comes across a bit 'clumsy').

>Phew!  Flame at will!  Maybe I'd better apply a little salve by saying
>that, by comparison, Jude is quite a good flick!

Hmm, 'by comparison'... i take it you don't like JUDE very much
either?

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: "Rob Wilks" <robert.wilks@virgin.net>
Subject: Unsubscribe!!
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:53:26 +0100
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From: KTYerves@aol.com
Subject: HC soundtrack...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:25:40 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-29 03:07:10 EDT, you write:

<< Has anybody had any luck in finding/purchasing the
 HC soundtrack lately? I put an order into Amazon 
 3 WEEKS ago but just got a mail message back 
 saying that the "title is in fact not available at this 
 time".  Before that I tried Tower Records, but they 
 botched the order. After waiting TWO MONTHS, I get 
 the call from them telling me my order had come in. 
 I go to pick it up and it turns out to be the wrong friggin 
 item.
 
 I hope to get my hands on this soundtrack before the 
 turn of the century. Can someone please point me to 
 a good source.  >>


Hi everyone!!

I had an extra copy of the soundtrack that I mentioned a couple of
weeks ago
on the list.  You should have wrote to me!  :)  I have sent it back to
the
company already.  I had one because I ordered them from two places
online and
I forgot to cancel my one order once I had received the CD from the
other
store.  I got it from Footlite, a company based in New York City and it
took
about two weeks to get because they were out of stock.  I first ordered
it
from CD Now....they didn't have it for a month or so but sent it once
they had
it in stock.  It was on backorder but they should definitely have it
now since
I sent them my copy back.  The soundtrack was around $35.00 in US money
at
both places.  Footlite was about 30 cents cheaper and arrived faster so
I
would suggest them.   Both addresses are below though.  Hope you can
get it
soon!  I never thought I would get my hands on it and then I end up
with an
extra copy.  ha ha!  

http://www.footlite.com   or   http://www.cdnow.com

By the way....I finally let others see HC.  I was nervous.  I gave them
a
little background on it first though.  It was one of my friends (a
girl) and
my cousin ( a guy).  They both said they liked it though and my friend
even
skimmed through my Parker and Hulme book.  Cool!  Don't know if either
of them
are "Creatures" now though.  I hope so!  I would love to know someone
that
loves it like I do.

Well....have a great day everyone!
Love,  Kate


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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: KW Update
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 17:04:03 -0400
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From Mr. Showbiz:

http://www.mrshowbiz.com/news/todays_stories/980729/winslet072998.html



(:^)]



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From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>
Subject: Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:12:44 -0500 (EST)
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> Let's see now.  Bourgeois layabout playing at being a poet chats up
> working class girl, she gets sick (no doubt due to bad diet and
> insufficient heating), and he chucks her out because she'll be a
> drag on his important poetry writing.  Then she dies.  No, not my
> idea of beautiful.

that wasn't why! she had been flirted with by a rich older dude (why she
appears in costly rich finery in the last act) and her boyfriend thought
since she was deathly ill, she could go with the rich dude and -he-
could
pay for her to get better. she did go with el richo, but did not get
better. 
                    --==** melanthe alexian **==--
                      ...she just slipped away...



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From: Vomit Spice <Netdance@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:12:42 -0700
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I'll admit this first of all...i'm a sucker for the well drawn out
period peice...I admit it. I liked the age of innocence, in fact, i
loved it. ha ha. i have bad taste, what can i say...i also loved Jane
Campion's portrait of a lady...now i'm definately going to get it for
that one...i beleive it's been called "one of the worst adaptations
ever" HA HA HA! and another widely hated one i loved, "things to do in
denver when you're dead"...it's NOT a pulp fiction clone to me, to me,
it was fabulous. i have odd opinions.

well anyway...speaking of barbra streisand..the mirror has two faces is
the second worst movie i've ever seen. it makes me want to vomit.
really. i DISPISE that movie..

the worst, is a flop romantic comedy called "if lucy fell", probably the
worst movie ever made i tell you.

then there's that GODAWFUL Live Tyler's "Inventing the Abbots" i walked
out halfway through. she is to me, the worst actress in film today. 

and speaking of Liv Tyler...Stealing Beauty was a torturous experience.
have a friend who adores it. made me very very sick.

but then there's some movies that are just flat out bad with no other
characteristics, redeeming or not..Alien ressurection anyone?

Sandra Bullock is pure evil.

The Last Supper left me totally unclear as to what it was saying or if
it said anything, which i doubt.

Forrest Gump. Argh. sappy nonsense, and in that vein, we have Mr
Holland's Opus.

Titanic is the most overrated movie of all time.

Sandra Bullock is pure evil. oh wait..i already said that...

well, that's about it from me..

-jen


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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:32:04 +1000 (EST)
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> I'll admit this first of all...i'm a sucker for the well drawn out
> period peice...I admit it. I liked the age of innocence, in fact, i
> loved it. ha ha. i have bad taste, what can i say...i also loved Jane
> Campion's portrait of a lady...now i'm definately going to get it for
> that one...i beleive it's been called "one of the worst adaptations
> ever" HA HA HA! and another widely hated one i loved, "things to do in
> denver when you're dead"...it's NOT a pulp fiction clone to me, to me,
> it was fabulous. i have odd opinions.

i like period pieces too... just not THE AGE OF INNOCENCE *VBG*
i haven't seen JC's PORTRAIT OF A LADY yet...
i rented THINGS TO DO IN DENVER WHEN YOU'RE DEAD and fast-forwarded
it... 
found it boring =/ =))

> well anyway...speaking of barbra streisand..the mirror has two faces
is
> the second worst movie i've ever seen. it makes me want to vomit.
> really. i DISPISE that movie..

haven't seen this either.....

> the worst, is a flop romantic comedy called "if lucy fell", probably
the
> worst movie ever made i tell you.

no, the worst (or one of them anyways =)) would have to be TIL THERE WAS
YOU.... =))

> then there's that GODAWFUL Live Tyler's "Inventing the Abbots" i
walked
> out halfway through. she is to me, the worst actress in film today. 
> 
> and speaking of Liv Tyler...Stealing Beauty was a torturous
experience.
> have a friend who adores it. made me very very sick.

i've heard quite a bit on STEALING BEAUTY - mainly friends of mine raved
that they loved it...

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html



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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Sister My Sister
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:46:25 +1000 (EST)
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Hi i=)) I wondered what this is about and who's in it?

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html



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    001 - Zoe C Woodworth <zcw+@and - Re: KW Update
    002 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: KW Update
    003 - LuvleeNine@aol.com        - Re: KW Update
    004 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: KW Update
    005 - SHERIMER@aol.com          - Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera
    006 - SHERIMER@aol.com          - Re: not fave movies etc...
    007 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com         - Re: Why in the world...
    008 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com         - Re: not fave movies etc...(OT)
    009 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com         - Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera (OT)
    010 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com         - Re: KW Update

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From: Zoe C Woodworth <zcw+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
References: <199807292101.OAA02888@lists1.best.com>
In-Reply-To: <199807292101.OAA02888@lists1.best.com>



> Meanwhile, Liz says former Mr. Universe Arnold Schwarzenegger is
eyeing 
> the dewy Kate for the role of his love interest in his big-budgeted, 
> special effects-laden "Satan comes to New York" actioner The End of 
> Days. 

Oh please...no...ugh.

> But Ahnuld, who turns 51 on Thursday, reportedly wants the actress
> to lose 10 pounds before filming begins. 

That bastard. I pray to the saints she doesn't even consider his shitty
offer. But then again...Emma Thompson did star in "Junior" with
him...whatever her reasoning was for that...

Does anybody know more about this Jane Campion film, "Holy Smoke," she's
set to be in? What about that Daphne Du Whatever role? What happened to
that?

- Z o e

for the record, I despise...
Ahh-nold
Ben Affleck
Kevin Smith
I merely hate...
Teri Hatcher
George Cloony
Chevy Chase
Norm McDonald
and I just plain dislike...
Quentin Tarantino 


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n857.2 ---------------

From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:43:56 +1000 (EST)
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> Does anybody know more about this Jane Campion film, "Holy Smoke,"
she's
> set to be in? What about that Daphne Du Whatever role? What happened
to
> that?

To my knowledge (and others would probably be more accurate/up-to-date
then meeh =)) Kate's here in Australia rehearsing for the role...

> for the record, I despise...
> Ahh-nold
> Ben Affleck
> Kevin Smith
> I merely hate...
> Teri Hatcher
> George Cloony
> Chevy Chase
> Norm McDonald
> and I just plain dislike...
> Quentin Tarantino 

who's Kevin Smith and Morm McDonald?

speaking of Quentin Tarantino, has anyone seen his and Marisa Tomei's
stage play WAIT UNTIL DARK? I saw an entertainment news article re- this
and it looked interesting.... I liked Audrey Hepburn's movie of this....

I'm watching ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT now and they say that they're
covering
the EVER AFTER premiere on tomorrow's show....

the movie DANCE WITH ME looks interesting.....

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html



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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:09:59 EDT
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In a message dated 7/29/98 7:07:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au writes:

<< who's Kevin Smith and Morm McDonald? >>
  
  Kevin Smith is the director of the movies CLerks, Mallrats, and
Chasing Amy.
He also plays the character he himself created, Silent Bob.  Also, a
little
piece of trivia for those who don't know.. Kevin SMith and Joey Lauren
Adams
are an item.  Have been for quite some time.
  Norm McDonald is a comedian .. he does SNL (Saturday Night Live), and
stand
up.

     *LUV9*  Nasrin.


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n857.4 ---------------

From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:17:21 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
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I LOVE JOEY LAUREN ADAMS!!!!!!!!! SHE IS SOOOOOOOOO HOTT!!!!





---LuvleeNine@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/29/98 7:07:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au writes:
> 
> << who's Kevin Smith and Morm McDonald? >>
>   
>   Kevin Smith is the director of the movies CLerks, Mallrats, and
Chasing Amy.
> He also plays the character he himself created, Silent Bob.  Also, a
little
> piece of trivia for those who don't know.. Kevin SMith and Joey
Lauren Adams
> are an item.  Have been for quite some time.
>   Norm McDonald is a comedian .. he does SNL (Saturday Night Live),
and stand
> up.
> 
>      *LUV9*  Nasrin.
> 

==


Love Kate
       X
**I take my Kate Winslet obsession to the extreme!**
**Like it or lump it**  **Life is not a dress rehearsal**
**Hello!...Im a smoker!** **Cheer up! All the best people have bad
chest and bone diseases..... its all frightfully romantic!** ** I have
dedicated 4 years of my life to this woman and I dont intend to stop
now or ever!**
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com



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From: SHERIMER@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:12:04 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-29 02:07:31 EDT, you write:

<< Let's see now.  Bourgeois layabout playing at being a poet chats up
 working class girl, she gets sick (no doubt due to bad diet and
 insufficient heating), and he chucks her out because she'll be a drag
on
 his important poetry writing.  Then she dies.  No, not my idea of
 beautiful. >>

Then he goes back to her, realizing his love for her. In the final and
beautiful scene where he cries, "Mimi!" over he dead body. Also, it's
the
basis for Rent, one of the best musicals ever.

--Steve


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From: SHERIMER@aol.com
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:14:43 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-29 05:42:31 EDT, you write:

<<  Really, john goodman's only good
 performance is in david byrne's TRUE STORIES. >>

I'd like to add RASING ARIZONA to the list of his good performances,
everyone
was good in that -- even the always wooden Nicolas Cage.

--Steve


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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why in the world...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:31:18 EDT
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Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but what is NBK?

Ava :)


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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...(OT)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:45:22 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-29 18:39:49 EDT, you write:

<< then there's that GODAWFUL Live Tyler's "Inventing the Abbots"  >>

Hey, I like Liv Tyler.....and Inventing the Abbotts wasn't THAT bad. 
And I
like Titanic (ok, I love it...seen it 4 times....cried every time)  And
I like
Forest Gump.  But I'll have to agree with you about Barbara
Streisand.....the
Hello Dolly movie starring her makes me want to puke, even though I
like that
musical.

And I also think anything directed by Jane Campion is at least good, if
not
brilliant.  I can't wait to see how she directs Kate Winslet in Holy
Smoke!

Actually, I can't think of any movie, actor, or director that I really
HATE.
There are things that are bad, but nothing I can't tolerate.  Now music
is a
different story....there are some songs and groups that I hate and
despise,
that make me want to puke.  No.1 on this list is the Backstreet Boys. 
They
are like New Kids on the Block reincarnated.  But now I'm going really
OT, so
I'll stop.

Ava :)


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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera (OT)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:51:05 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-30 00:29:05 EDT, you write:

<< Then he goes back to her, realizing his love for her. In the final
and
 beautiful scene where he cries, "Mimi!" over he dead body. Also, it's
the
 basis for Rent, one of the best musicals ever.
 
 --Steve
  >>

YES!!!!!!!  RENT is the best musical (except for maybe Les Miz or Miss
Saigon).  I am going to be Maureen someday, just because I want to do
"Over
the Moon."  Ok, that's my opinion on RENT.

Ava :)


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n857.10 ---------------

From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:06:36 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-29 21:43:44 EDT, you write:

<< Does anybody know more about this Jane Campion film, "Holy Smoke,"
she's
 set to be in? What about that Daphne Du Whatever role? What happened to
 that?
 
 - Z o e
  >>

Kate is in Australia as we speak filming Holy Smoke.  Its really too
early to
tell what the release date will be, but supposedly it will be sometime
around
Memorial Day 1999.  She's also supposedly dieting for her nude scene in
HS,
but I hope that's not true.  Kate's perfect just the way she is!

As for the Daphne Du Maurier movie, last I heard was that Kate was very
interested in the role.  But there hasn't been anything definite said
about it
yet.  I hope she does it; it should be a really interesting role.  Has
anyone
read the biography about Du Maurier that its supposed to be based on?

Ava :)

For the record, I also cannot stand Arnold.  I hope this thing about
Kate
playing his wife is not true.  That woud be just awful, IMO. 


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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n858 --------------

    001 - Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis - Re: not fave movies etc...
    002 - Lela Kaunitz <lelak@heale - OT: Despised Actor Types
    003 - LuvleeNine@aol.com        - Re: not fave movies etc...
    004 - LuvleeNine@aol.com        - Re: Why in the world...
    005 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: KW Update
    006 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: Why in the world...
    007 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: HC soundtrack...
    008 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera (OT)
    009 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Leon
    010 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: KW Update

--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n858.1 ---------------

From: Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:27:18 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
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After reading your email I have some disagreements to what you have
said.

First off I too am a sucker for period piece films but unlike you I
hated,
with a passion, Portrait of  Lady. I thought that was one of the worst
if
not the worst period piece film I'm ever seen. The book was a
masterpiece
but this movie butchered it.
I did like The Age of Innocence, Daniel Day Lewis is one of the most
talented british actors, but is sadly not noticed enough. 

I can't believe you said that The Mirror Has Two Faces was a bad
movie...I
mean it isn't Streisands best but it certainly wasn't one of the worst
movies in the world. 

If Lucy Fell was awful and so was Till There Was You....notice that
Sarah
Jessica Parker was in both!
 
Inventing the Abbots was indeed a horrible film....I could barly watch
the
entire thing. Liv Tyler was at her worst in that film...but she was
good in
Silent Fall and Armegeddon. 

At first I hated Sandra Bullock but after seeing her in Hope Floats I
think
she's wonderful at drama films. I mean she should be nominated for that
role. 

I didn't understand the last summer either...all those great stars but a
bloody awful movie. 

Forrest Gump is one of the great movies of the 90's...its pure
entertainment
in my opinion. 
Mr. Holland's Opus was great too...Richard Dreyfus is a superb actor.

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID TITANIC WAS THE MOST OVERRATED MOVIE OF ALL
TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!


juliet
"hc of the kwfc"






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From: Lela Kaunitz <lelak@healey.com.au>
Subject: OT: Despised Actor Types
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:44:29 +1000
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Zoe wrote:

>for the record, I despise...
<snip>
>Kevin Smith


Thank God you meant Kevin Smith the director not Kevin Smith the actor.



Lela



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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:05:06 EDT
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In a message dated 7/29/98 9:26:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
SHERIMER@aol.com writes:

<< even the always wooden Nicolas Cage. >>
  
  WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!  Ok, I'm sorry folks.. I don't normally send
off to
the whole group for one little comment, but this one, I absolutely HAD
to.
Heheheheheheh, I can't believe you called Cage "Wooden."  I love him,
but my
friends and I consider him to be EXTREMELY "wooden."  But, you know
who's
worse??  Duchboy!!!  Yes, David Duchovney!  He has to be the ULTIMATE
"wooden"
boy.
   Oh, my.. that was a laugh!  Thank you =)

         *LUV9*
       ~Nasrin~


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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why in the world...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:07:01 EDT
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In a message dated 7/29/98 9:45:14 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
PURPLEAVA@aol.com writes:

<< Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but what is NBK? >>

  NBK is Natural Born Killers. =)

  *LUV9*
 ~Nasrin~


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:37:10 GMT
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References: <199807292101.OAA02888@lists1.best.com>
<199807300049.RAA27494@lists1.best.com>
In-Reply-To: <199807300049.RAA27494@lists1.best.com>

On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:45:38 -0400 (EDT), Zoe C Woodworth
<zcw+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

>for the record, I despise...
>Ahh-nold

I once read somebody said he looks like a 'condom filled with
wallnuts' :)

>Chevy Chase

Yeah, except for that one movie where he is a writer moving to the
countryside to write a book.  The scene where the yellow dog runs away
is priceless.

>and I just plain dislike...
>Quentin Tarantino 

Zoe, some people say he looks like morrissey.  But you're right, he's
still a dork and a worthless director.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Why in the world...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:37:09 GMT
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On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:31:18 EDT, PURPLEAVA@aol.com wrote:

>Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but what is NBK?

NATURAL BORN KILLERS, from oliver stone. It's one of the best films
ever made.  Some people hate it, but that's only because they don't
get it or because they are offended by the message.  Besides, even if
you don't care about the message, it's still the best looking film
ever made, with breath-taking visual effects and the best soundtrack
EVER!

On the FREEWAY dvd commentary track director matthew bright said:
'oliver stone would make a great president.'  He's right.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: HC soundtrack...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:37:10 GMT
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:25:40 EDT, KTYerves@aol.com wrote:

>I had an extra copy of the soundtrack that I mentioned a couple of
weeks ago
>on the list.  You should have wrote to me!  :)  I have sent it back to
the

I had the same 'problem' last year, ended up with 3 or 4 copies.
Fortunately i was able to sell them to people on the list.

I'd love to get the japanese release of the HC soundtrack.  The cover
art is beautiful.  Anybody know an online place that's selling it?
Guess not eh?

And, off-topic, is there anybody on this list who can get me a copy of
the STOP MAKING SENSE laserdisc?  I've been looking for that one since
the late eighties, it's pretty rare.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera (OT)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:22:08 +0200
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PURPLEAVA@aol.com wrote:

> YES!!!!!!!  RENT is the best musical (except for maybe Les Miz or Miss
> Saigon). 

Oh NOOO....HAIR is the best musical EVER! (-: Brilliant!!! (-:

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Leon
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:11:00 +0200
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StarScully@aol.com wrote:

> If it is the movie i'm thinking of, it was released here in the US by
the
> title "The Professional"...very good IMO.  Natalie Portman was in it,
stunning
> actress.
> 
> *janel*

Oh okay...well, what's it about? I'll look out for it anyway...

Marloes


-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n858.10 ---------------

From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:33:03 +0200
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<199807300049.RAA27494@lists1.best.com>

Zoe C Woodworth wrote:

> for the record, I despise...
> Ahh-nold

Ohhh...yes, I forgot about him, he's horrible in e v e r y way! Even
worse than Michael Douglas! You see, I'm able to banish the worst ones
from my mind! (-:

> Teri Hatcher

She can be kinda charming every now and then I think...

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope



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    001 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Why in the world...
    002 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - KW Update
    003 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - KW Update (2)
    004 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: KW Update
    005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW Update
    006 - SHERIMER@aol.com          - Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera (OT)
    007 - SHERIMER@aol.com          - Re: KW Update
    008 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: KW Update (2)
    009 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: not fave movies etc...
    010 - LaSkA4u@aol.com           - joey lauren adams (OT)

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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Why in the world...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:12:12 +0200
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<199807291927.MAA19694@lists1.best.com>

Jeroen wrote:

> If you want i can send you a vhs copy of SMS.

Thank you, but that won't be necessary, you shouldn't go to all that
rouble. I'll rent it next month!
But thanx anyway!

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: KW Update
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:36:08 +0100
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Hiya,

Kate starring as the love
interest in a Arnie action
flic....wow !

I mean, look at Jamie Lee
Curtis in "True Lies". What a
Tour-de-force that was (How
the Oscars let that performane
slip through the net I will
never know). What a broad and
deep performance with such a
wide and varied range of
acting skills she managed to
squeeze out of a potentially 2
dimensional role. Lets hope if
Kate takes this role she
manages to get up to the
standard set by Jamie. Maybe
Kate will take the part if  it
has lots of running through
water scenes, she's bloody
good at that !

Look on the bright side, it
could be worse .....Home Alone
4....Scream 3........

Hopefully this weekend I will
get to watch HC again. It has
been a couple of months since
my last viewing, I do miss it.

Stephen

OT: I love watching Quentin
Tarantino films, but then I
like John Woo, Luc Besson
etc....



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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: KW Update (2)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:14:54 +0100
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Hiya,

I have just read in computer
mag that Kate is one of the
actresses up for the Lara
"Tomb Raider" Croft role !
Luckily they reckon she has
only a 9% chance of getting
it...the leader at the moment
is Sandra Bullock ! That won't
hurt HER carrer ! LOL

Stephen




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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:56:42 +0200
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Stephen Bull wrote:

> Look on the bright side, it
> could be worse .....Home Alone
> 4....Scream 3........

You forgot to add Speed 3 ~ The Leaky Zeppelin...

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n859.5 ---------------

From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 18:02:35 -0400
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LuvleeNine@aol.com wrote:

>Norm McDonald is a comedian .. he does SNL (Saturday Night Live), and
stand
>up.

Norm is from Quebec City. He used to do SNL's "Weekend Update" (the
news 
parody segment) but was removed from the show unceremoniously. Some 
speculate that it was because he did too many OJ jokes. It could be
that 
Norm went from being very funny to just relying on his persona for
laughs.

I met Norm when he was just starting about 6 years ago at the Just For 
Laughs Festival. He was a cool guy then. I met him again three years 
later when he returned. It was a different story. Something about SNL 
mutates these guys into jerks.

The same virus seemed to affect Rob Schneider the same way if his 
behavior of last week is any indication.



(:^)]



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From: SHERIMER@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT:  Re: Worst ...opera (OT)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:42:08 EDT
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In a message dated 7/30/98 6:43:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dalyric@writeme.com writes:

<< Oh NOOO....HAIR is the best musical EVER! (-: Brilliant!!! (-: >>

This is way off topic. But I don't like Les Miz, it's very overrated.
Of couse
the fact that I saw with a bunch of crying teen age girls is probably
influncing that fact.  The best musical ever is a tie between INTO THE
WOODS,
or HAIR or RENT or ANYTHING GOES . . . well there's just too many.


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n859.7 ---------------

From: SHERIMER@aol.com
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:45:57 EDT
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In a message dated 7/30/98 6:23:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
orson@videotron.ca writes:

<< The same virus seemed to affect Rob Schneider the same way if his 
 behavior of last week is any indication.
  >>

What behavior was this? 

--Steve


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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: KW Update (2)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:17:05 +1000 (EST)
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> I have just read in computer
> mag that Kate is one of the
> actresses up for the Lara
> "Tomb Raider" Croft role !
> Luckily they reckon she has
> only a 9% chance of getting
> it...the leader at the moment
> is Sandra Bullock ! That won't
> hurt HER carrer ! LOL
> 
> Stephen
> 

please excuse my ignorance... what is the Lara "Tomb Raider" Croft role
about?

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html



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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:06:35 +1000 (EST)
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> >which Hamlet are you referring to? the recent Kenneth Branagh one? i
have
> >this on tape, still haven't had a chance to watch it....
> 
> Kenneth's, of course.  Mel gibson's tourist version of hamlet is
> laughable.

I haven't watched either version properly yet...

> Really, watch it, it's brilliant.  Also try to find a cinema that is
> showing the 70mm print.

No chance of that here I think... I do have the wide-screen 4hr version
on
tape tho..

> >a few others i'd consider in the worst films would be THE
FLINTSTONES,
> God how could i forget that one.  Really, john goodman's only good
> performance is in david byrne's TRUE STORIES.

One movie which altho isn't the worst movie, I thought was pretty bad
was 
DANTE'S PEAK -- I sat thru the whole movie, and the commentary and it
was 
*ugh** =))

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html



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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:15:44 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-29 23:27:34 EDT, winslet311 writes:

<< I LOVE JOEY LAUREN ADAMS!!!!!!!!! SHE IS SOOOOOOOOO HOTT!!!!
  >>

YES YES YES JOEY LAUREN ADAMS IS SOOOOO HOT!!!


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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n860 --------------

    001 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
    002 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - OFF-TOPIC: [to read]-- Forgive
and Forget
    003 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
    004 - LuvleeNine@aol.com        - Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
    005 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Cosmos
    006 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
    007 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
    008 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Negative opinions...
    009 - Ald14hc@aol.com           - Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
    010 - "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@na - OT

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From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
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---LaSkA4u@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-29 23:27:34 EDT, winslet311 writes:
> 
> << I LOVE JOEY LAUREN ADAMS!!!!!!!!! SHE IS SOOOOOOOOO HOTT!!!!
>   >>
> 
> YES YES YES JOEY LAUREN ADAMS IS SOOOOO HOT!!!
> 
WOO-HOO!!!!
==


Love Kate
       X
**I take my Kate Winslet obsession to the extreme!**
**Like it or lump it**  **Life is not a dress rehearsal**
**Hello!...Im a smoker!** **Cheer up! All the best people have bad
chest and bone diseases..... its all frightfully romantic!** ** I have
dedicated 4 years of my life to this woman and I dont intend to stop
now or ever!**
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com



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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: OFF-TOPIC: [to read]-- Forgive and Forget
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:04:09 +1000 (EST)
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Hi! I know that in all probabilities, stories such as the one below
aren't
true.. but they do make us think... When you get the chance, please read
it -- I found it touched my heart...

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Lisa sat on the floor of her old room, staring at the box that
lay in front of her. It was an old shoe box that she had
decorated to become a memory box many years before. Stickers and
penciled
flowers covered the top and sides. Its edges were worn, the corners fo
the lid taped so as to keep their shape.
 It had been three years since Lisa last opened the box. A sudden move
to
Boston had kept her from packing it. But now that she was back home, she
took the time to look again at the memories. Fingering the corners of
the
box and stroking its cover, Lisa pictured in her mind what was inside.
There was a photo of the family trip to the Grand Canyon, a note from
her
friend telling her that Nick Bicotti liked her, and
the Indian arrowhead she had found while on her senior class trip. One
by
one, she remembered the items in the box, lingering over the sweetest,
until she came to the last and only painful memory. She knew what it
looked
like--a single sheet of paper upon which lines had been drawn to form
boxes, 490 of them to be exact. And each
box contained a check  mark, one for each time.

********
"How many times must I forgive my brother?" the disciple Peter had asked
Jesus. "Seven times?" Lisa's Sunday school
teacher had read Jesus' surprise answer to the class. "Seventy times
seven."
Lisa had leaned over to her brother Brent as the teacher continued
reading.
"How many times is that?" she whispered. Brent, though two years
younger,
was smarter than she was.

"Four hundred and ninety," Brent wrote on the corner of
his Sunday school paper. Lisa saw the message, nodded, and sat
back in her chair.  She watched her brother as the lesson continued. He
was
small for his age, with narrow shoulders and short arms. His glasses
were too large bordered on being a nerd, but his incredible skills at
everything,
especially music, made him popular with his classmates.

Brent had learned to play the piano at age four, the
clarinet at age seven, and had just begun to play oboe. His music
teachers said he'd be a famous musician someday. There was only one
thing
at which Lisa was better than Brent--basketball. They played it
almost every afternoon after school. Brent could have refused to
play, but he knew that it was Lisa's only joy in the midst of her
struggles to get C's and D's at school. Lisa's attention came back to
her
Sunday school teacher as the woman finished the lesson and closed with
prayer. That same
Sunday afternoon found brother and sister playing basketball in the
driveway. It  was then that the counting had begun. Brent was guarding
Lisa as she dribbled toward the basket. He had tried to bat the
ball away, got his face near her elbow, and took a shot on the chin.
"Ow!", he cried out and turned away. Lisa saw her opening and drove to
the
basket, making an easy lay-up.She gloated over her success but stopped
when
she saw  Brent.  "You okay?", she asked. Brent shrugged his shoulders.
"Sorry,"  Lisa said. "Really.  It was a cheap shot." "It's all right. I
forgive you,"
he said. A thin smile then formed on his face.  "Just 489 more times
though."  "Whaddaya mean?" Lisa asked.
"You know...what we learned in Sunday school today.
You're supposed to forgive someone 490 times. I just forgave you, so now
you have 489 left," he kidded. The two of them laughed at the
thought of  keeping track of every time Lisa had done something to
Brent.
They were sure she had gone past 490 long ago. The rain interrupted
their
game, and the two moved indoors.  "Wanna play Battleship?" Lisa asked.
Brent agreed, and they were soon on the floor of the living room with
their
game boards in
front of them. Each took turns calling out a letter and number
combination,
hoping to hit each other's ships. Lisa knew she was in trouble as the
game
went on. Brent had only lost one ship out of five. Lisa had lost three.
Desperate to
win, she found herself leaning over the edge of Brent's barrier ever so
slightly. She
was thus able to see where Brent had placed two fo his ships.  She
quickly
evened the score.  Pleased, Lisa searched once more for the location of
the
last two ships. She peered over the barrier again, but htis time Brent
caught her in the act. "Hey, you're cheating!" He stared at her in
disbelief.
Lisa's face turned red. Her lips quivered. "I'm sorry," she said,
staring
at the carpet. There was not much Brent could say. He knew  Lisa
sometimes
did things like this. He felt sorry that Lisa found so few things she
could
do well. It was wrong for her to
cheat, but he knew the temptation was hard for her. "Okay, I forgive
you,"
Brent said. Then he added with a small laugh,
"Yeah, I guess so." She returned his kindness with a weak smile and
added,
"Thanks for being my brother, Brent." Brent's forgiving spirit gripped
Lisa, and she wanted him to know how sorry she was. It was that evening
that she had made
the chart with the 490 boxes. She showed it to him before he went to
bed. "We can keep track of every time I mess up and you forgive me,"
she said. "See, I'll put a check in each box--like this." She
placed two marks in the upper left-hand boxes. "These are for today."
Brent
raised his hands to protest. "You don't need to keep--" "Yes I do!" Lisa
interrupted. "You're
always forgiving me, and I want to keep track. Just let me do this!" She
went back to her room and tacked the chart to her bulletin board. There
were many opportunities to fill in the chart in the years that followed.
She once told the kids at school that Brent talked in his sleep and
called
out Rhonda Hill's name, even though it wasn't true. The teasing caused
Brent days and days of misery. When
she realized how cruel she had been, Lisa apologized sincerely. That
night she marked box number 96. Forgiveness number 211 came in the tenth
grade when Lisa failed to bring home his English book. Brent had stayed
home sick
that day and had asked her to bring it so he could study for a quiz.
She forgot and he got a C. Number 393 was for lost keys...418 for the
extra
bleach
she put in the washer, which ruined his favorite polo shirt...449, the
dent she had put in his car when she had borrowed it. There was a small
ceremony when Lisa checked number 490. She used a gold pen for the check
mark, had Brent sign the chart, and then placed it in her memory box. "I
guess that's the end," Lisa said. "No more screw-ups from me anymore!"
Brent just laughed.  "Yeah, right." Number 491 was just another one of
Lisa's careless mistakes, but its hurt lasted a lifetime. Brent had
become
all that his music teachers said he would. Few could play the oboe
better
than United States, he received the opportunity of a lifetime--a chance
to
try out for New York City's great orchestra.  The tryout would be held
sometime during the following two weeks. It would be the fulfillment of
his
young dreams. But he never got the chance. Brent had been out when the
call
about the
tryout came to the house. Lisa was the only one home and on her way out
the door, eager to get to work on time. "Two-thirty on the tenth," the
secretary said on the phone. Lisa did not have a pen, but she told
herself
that she could
remember it.  "Got it. Thanks." I can remember that, she thought. But
she did not.  It was a week later around the dinner table that Lisa
realized her mistake.  "So, Brent," his mom asked him, "When do you try
out?"
"Don't know yet. They're supposed to call."Lisa froze in her seat.
"Oh, no!" she blurted ou loud. "What's today's date? Quick!" "It's the
twelfth," her dad answered. "Why?"=20 A terrible pain ripped through
Lisa's
heart. She buried
her face in her hands, crying. "Lisa, what's the matter?" her mother
asked.
Through sobs Lisa explained what had happened. "It was two days
ago...the
tryout...two-thirty...the call came...last week." sat back in his chair,
not believing Lisa. "Is this one of your jokes, sis?" he asked, though
he
could tell hermisery was real. She shook her head, still unable to look
at
him. "Then I really missed it?" She nodded. Brent ran out of the kitchen
without a word. He did not come out of his room the rest of the evening.
Lisa tried once to knock on the door, but she could not face him. She
went
to her room where she cried bitterly. Suddenly she knew that she had to
do.
She had ruined Brent's life. He could never forgive her for that. She
had
failed her
family, and there was nothing to do but to leave home. Lisa packed her
pickup truck in the middle of the night and left a note behind,
telling her folks she'd be all right. She began writing a note to Brent,
but her words  sounded empty to her. Nothing I say could make a
difference anyway, she thought. Two days later she got a job as a
waitress
in Boston. She found an apartment not too far from the restaurant. Her
parents
tried many times to reach her, but Lisa ignored their letters.
"It's too late," she wrote them once. "I've ruined Brent's life, and I'm
not coming back."  Lisa did not think she would ever see home again. But
one day in the restaurant where she worked she saw a face she knew.
"Lisa!" said Mrs.Nelson, looking up from her plate. "What a surprise."
The
woman was a friend of Lisa's family from back home. "I was so sorry to
hear
about your brother," Mrs. Nelson said softly. "Such a terrible accident.
But we can be thankful quickly. He didn't suffer." Lisa stared at the
woman
in shock. "Wh-hat," she finally stammered. It couldn't be! Her brother?
Dead? The woman quickly
saw that Lisa did not know about the accident. She told the girl the sad
story of the speeding car, the rush to the hospital, the doctors
working over Brent. But all they could do was not enough to save him.
Lisa
returned home that afternoon.
********
Now she found herself in her room thinking about her
brother as she held the small box that held some of her memories of him.
Sadly, she opened the box and peered inside. It was as she remembered,
except for one item--Brent's chart. It was not there. In its place, at
the
bottom of the box, was an envelope. Her hands shook as she tore it open
and
removed a letter.  The first page read:  Dear Lisa,  It was you who kept
count, not me. But if you're stubborn enough to keep count, use the new
chart I've made for you.
Love,
Brent

Lisa turned to the second page where she found a chart
just like the one she had made as a child, but on this one the lines
were drawn in perfect precision. And unlike the chart she had kept,
there was but one check mark in the upper left- hand corner. Written
in red felt tip pen over the entire page were the words:

 "NUMBER 491. Forgiven, FOREVER."




--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n860.3 ---------------

From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:23:51 +0200
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> > << I LOVE JOEY LAUREN ADAMS!!!!!!!!! SHE IS SOOOOOOOOO HOTT!!!!
> >   >>
> >
> > YES YES YES JOEY LAUREN ADAMS IS SOOOOO HOT!!!
> >
> WOO-HOO!!!!

Who on earth is Mr Adams? Can anyone post a pic? I want to judge too!!
(-:
Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope



--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n860.4 ---------------

From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 05:46:27 EDT
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In a message dated 7/31/98 2:36:18 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
dalyric@writeme.com writes:

<< Who on earth is Mr Adams? Can anyone post a pic? I want to judge
too!!
 (-:
 Marloes
  >>
  Joey Lauren Adams starred as the lead in Kevin Smith's Chasing Amy,
and also
had a small role in Mallrats.  .. is it just me, or does anyone else
find an
eeire resemblance between Joey Lauren Adams, Jewel (the singer), and
Renee
Zellwegger (Empire Records, Jerry Maguire.)?
 *LUV9*
~Nasrin~


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n860.5 ---------------

From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Cosmos
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:43:29 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
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<199807310929.CAA13794@lists1.best.com>

Today was my lucky day because I ordered the HC soundtrack 12 days ago
and it arrived this afternoon!!!...whew!! are they fast or what??

And I saw HC in a store, released by Cosmos Home Entertainment, 100
mins. Does anyone know if this is a cropped version?? Jeroen maybe?

Take care,
Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n860.6 ---------------

From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:04:19 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii







---LuvleeNine@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/31/98 2:36:18 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> dalyric@writeme.com writes:
> 
> << Who on earth is Mr Adams? Can anyone post a pic? I want to judge
too!!
>  (-:
>  Marloes
>   >>
>   Joey Lauren Adams starred as the lead in Kevin Smith's Chasing
Amy, and also
> had a small role in Mallrats.  .. is it just me, or does anyone else
find an
> eeire resemblance between Joey Lauren Adams, Jewel (the singer), and
Renee
> Zellwegger (Empire Records, Jerry Maguire.)?
>  *LUV9*
> ~Nasrin~
> 
I KNOW and there all beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
==


Love Kate
       X
**I take my Kate Winslet obsession to the extreme!**
**Like it or lump it**  **Life is not a dress rehearsal**
**Hello!...Im a smoker!** **Cheer up! All the best people have bad
chest and bone diseases..... its all frightfully romantic!** ** I have
dedicated 4 years of my life to this woman and I dont intend to stop
now or ever!**
_________________________________________________________
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From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:01:51 -0700 (PDT)
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---lyric  wrote:
>
> > > << I LOVE JOEY LAUREN ADAMS!!!!!!!!! SHE IS SOOOOOOOOO HOTT!!!!
> > >   >>
> > >
> > > YES YES YES JOEY LAUREN ADAMS IS SOOOOO HOT!!!
> > >
> > WOO-HOO!!!!
> 
> Who on earth is Mr Adams? Can anyone post a pic? I want to judge too!!
> (-:
> Marloes
> 
> -- 
> It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's
this
> need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
> - Janet, Velvet Rope
> 
> 
Joey LAUREN Adams she is one of the hottest women around!!!!
==


Love Kate
       X
**I take my Kate Winslet obsession to the extreme!**
**Like it or lump it**  **Life is not a dress rehearsal**
**Hello!...Im a smoker!** **Cheer up! All the best people have bad
chest and bone diseases..... its all frightfully romantic!** ** I have
dedicated 4 years of my life to this woman and I dont intend to stop
now or ever!**
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com



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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>
Subject: Negative opinions...
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:44:52 -0400
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>>and I just plain dislike...
>>Quentin Tarantino

>Zoe, some people say he looks like morrissey.  But you're right, he's
>still a dork and a worthless director.

Someone on the list commented that giving negative opinions just is an
incentive for flamewars and I am inclined to agree.  I have strongly
disagreed with many of the assessments on the list about actors, hyping
of
movies, etc.  I am requesting the list that if you have a negative
opinion,
please generally keep it to yourself, especially if it is just an
opinion
vs. a critical assessment.  Positive opinions, however, I am all for...
so
I will give my positive opinion here:

     Quentin Tarantino is a very unusual individual, and although his
overall skills as a director is something that I cannot assess
particularly
well, I do have to say that I enjoyed "Pulp Fiction".  I resisted
watching
the movie for a long time and, when I watched it on video, I regretted
not
watching it sooner.  I will not say it was "one of the best movies
ever"...
but it was intelligent and interesting.  A worthwhile viewing.
     I greatly respect him as a producer of the movie, Curdled, which is
morbid but delightful.  I've watched that movie a number of times and I
find it hilariously funny and devilishly clever.

Eileene =)




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From: Ald14hc@aol.com
Subject: Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:36:20 EDT
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lol, that would be Miss Adams...  Joey Lauren Adams, is a woman!

In a message dated 98-07-31 05:51:22 EDT, you write:

<< << Who on earth is Mr Adams? Can anyone post a pic? I want to judge
too!!
  


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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@nass.usda.gov>
Subject: OT
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 98 15:39:32 -0500
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          Not to be snitty here (although I'm sure this is going to
come 
          across as such) could you start a Joey what's-is-name list
and 
          stop sending these posts to us? thanks.




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    001 - LaSkA4u@aol.com           - Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
    002 - Vomit Spice <Netdance@wor - hmmm...
    003 - Aretese@aol.com           - New movies
    004 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - Re: not fave movies etc...
    005 - StarScully@aol.com        - Re: KW Update (2)
    006 - StarScully@aol.com        - Re: New movies
    007 - Edward Babcock <topgun@ma - Re: New movies
    008 - LuvleeNine@aol.com        - Re: New movies
    009 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: not fave movies etc...
    010 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - qt

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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:48:04 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-31 13:27:31 EDT, you write:

<< Joey LAUREN Adams she is one of the hottest women around!!!!
  >>

YES YES YES I KNOW!! SHE IS WAAAAY HOT!!


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n861.2 ---------------

From: Vomit Spice <Netdance@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: hmmm...
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:50:13 -0700
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I'm starting to think of myself as one of those mothers who walks into a
big room filled with kids, shuts off the radio, and tells everyone to go
home. I seem to have the exact opposite opinion of almost everyone on
this list! actually, i find it all rather funny. but i am raining on
your parade, and i suppose that's a bad thing...i suppose...so i'll try
to keep it bottled up, stay on topic or something of that nature. No
more anti-titanic posts. I promise. really. 

but i must be the anti-everything once again...

here are a few.

Joey Lauren Adams annoys me. I enjoyed chasing amy as a comedy, but in
her drama scenes, that little voice just made me cringe. she's
beautiful, sure, but definately not my type..and moreso as an actress.
maybe, in looks, it is the resemblance to Jewel, who is my arch-enemy,
music wise.

and Quentin Tarantino. Resevoir Dogs is high up on my list of favorites.
I think he does have some talent as a director. that movie is a classic.
well, in the cinema de jennifer anywho.

-jen


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From: Aretese@aol.com
Subject: New movies
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:12:05 EDT
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...from two of the cast members. Jean, what sort of a part do you play
in
'Snake Eyes'? After seeing the trailer I know every plot twist, but
perhaps
you could use some powers of persuasion to get some of us into the
theaters.

Finally saw 'Ever After' and yes, Mel's so great and gorgeous. The
audience
totally loved her in every scene, too! Here's what the Salon rev
(http://www.salon1999.com/ent/) said about her...
"Danielle's feistiness is only the most obvious example of the movie's 
anachronistic feminism. I loved it that Jacqueline becomes an ally to 
her downtrodden stepsister. The chubby Jacqueline has no part to play
in 
Rodmilla's plan to marry off Madelyn to the prince. "Ever After"
refuses 
to make Jacqueline a victim, either. Lynskey (who played Kate Winslet's 
homicidal soul mate in "Heavenly Creatures") has a way of wrinkling her 
nose with pleasure that's as endearing as the poker face she employs 
when turning the tables on her mother."

So disappointing that the filmmakers were bent on the weight issue,
since
Madelyn would be the brunt of all jokes for being pinched and skinny.
But the
movie isn't meant to be truthful to its era so we must take what comes
to us,
I suppose.


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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT)
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When I was reading through the messages about people disagreeing with
other people about films and who they like etc, I sort of started to
ponder on why we all like Heavenly Creatures. Basically I don't
understand why we are the ones so affected by it and others just pass
it over like any other film. 

My brother is a great fan of Hitchcock's 'Vertigo' and we were
comparing the two films. They are both phyically and emotionally
perhaps violent but it is not the violense (definitely not) that
attracts me to Heavenly Creatures, nor is it the violence that
attracts my brother to Vertigo. They are scary films. Yet as others
have mentioned, liking Natural Born Killers doesn't make you a serial
killer, nor liking Trainspotting make you a drug addict.

I think what I am trying to say, and not getting it across very well,
is that why everyone isn't affected by Heavenly Creatures? We are
different in our likings (eg I DON'T like Nick Cage) but yet we all
seem to love this particular film. 

Just something I was thinking about.

Regards,

Jane


---------------
> 
> From: Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis.net>
> Subject: 
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:27:18 -0700
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> After reading your email I have some disagreements to what you have
said.
> 
> First off I too am a sucker for period piece films but unlike you I
hated,
> with a passion, Portrait of  Lady. I thought that was one of the
worst if
> not the worst period piece film I'm ever seen. The book was a
masterpiece
> but this movie butchered it.
> I did like The Age of Innocence, Daniel Day Lewis is one of the most
> talented british actors, but is sadly not noticed enough. 
> 
> I can't believe you said that The Mirror Has Two Faces was a bad
movie...I
> mean it isn't Streisands best but it certainly wasn't one of the worst
> movies in the world. 
> 
> If Lucy Fell was awful and so was Till There Was You....notice that
Sarah
> Jessica Parker was in both!
>  
> Inventing the Abbots was indeed a horrible film....I could barly
watch the
> entire thing. Liv Tyler was at her worst in that film...but she was
good in
> Silent Fall and Armegeddon. 
> 
> At first I hated Sandra Bullock but after seeing her in Hope Floats
I think
> she's wonderful at drama films. I mean she should be nominated for
that role. 
> 
> I didn't understand the last summer either...all those great stars
but a
> bloody awful movie. 
> 
> Forrest Gump is one of the great movies of the 90's...its pure
entertainment
> in my opinion. 
> Mr. Holland's Opus was great too...Richard Dreyfus is a superb actor.
> 
> I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID TITANIC WAS THE MOST OVERRATED MOVIE OF ALL
> TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
> juliet
> "hc of the kwfc"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n858.2 ---------------
> 
> From: Lela Kaunitz <lelak@healey.com.au>
> Subject: OT: Despised Actor Types
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:44:29 +1000
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> In-Reply-To: <199807300509.WAA14490@lists1.best.com>
> 
> 
> Zoe wrote:
> 
> >for the record, I despise...
> <snip>
> >Kevin Smith
> 
> 
> Thank God you meant Kevin Smith the director not Kevin Smith the
actor.
> 
> 
> 
> Lela
> 
> 
> 
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n858.3 ---------------
> 
> From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
> Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:05:06 EDT
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> In a message dated 7/29/98 9:26:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> SHERIMER@aol.com writes:
> 
> << even the always wooden Nicolas Cage. >>
>   
>   WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!  Ok, I'm sorry folks.. I don't normally
send off to
> the whole group for one little comment, but this one, I absolutely
HAD to.
> Heheheheheheh, I can't believe you called Cage "Wooden."  I love
him, but my
> friends and I consider him to be EXTREMELY "wooden."  But, you know
who's
> worse??  Duchboy!!!  Yes, David Duchovney!  He has to be the
ULTIMATE "wooden"
> boy.
>    Oh, my.. that was a laugh!  Thank you =)
> 
>          *LUV9*
>        ~Nasrin~
> 

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From: StarScully@aol.com
Subject: Re: KW Update (2)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:06:19 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-30 23:29:37 EDT, you write:

<< please excuse my ignorance... what is the Lara "Tomb Raider" Croft
role
 about? >>

It is based on the widely popular game (that is if you have Sony
Playstation)
Tomb Raider.  I've only seen the game played at friends' houses so I
wouldn't
know much about it.

*janel*


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n861.6 ---------------

From: StarScully@aol.com
Subject: Re: New movies
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:09:33 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-31 18:47:09 EDT, you write:

<< ...from two of the cast members. Jean, what sort of a part do you
play in
 'Snake Eyes'? After seeing the trailer I know every plot twist, but
perhaps
 you could use some powers of persuasion to get some of us into the
theaters.
>>

Jean, you don't have to persuad me to go to see Snake Eyes, I wanna see
it for
Carla Gugino.  I swear i have seen her somewhere else before, but I
don't know
where.

*janel*


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n861.7 ---------------

From: Edward Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: New movies
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:44:18 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In-Reply-To: <199808010411.VAA24573@lists1.best.com>

Carla Gugino was in Son in Law...she was the daughter

juliet


>Jean, you don't have to persuad me to go to see Snake Eyes, I wanna
see it
for
>Carla Gugino.  I swear i have seen her somewhere else before, but I
don't
know
>where.
>
>*janel*
>
>



--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n861.8 ---------------

From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: New movies
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:55:12 EDT
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In a message dated 7/31/98 11:52:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
topgun@mail.ocis.net writes:

<< Carla Gugino was in Son in Law...she was the daughter >>

   I was wondering if you could answer this much.. if Carla Gugino was
the
daughter in Son in Law, then is she also the girl in Jon Bon Jovi's
"Always"
video, and did she used to be on Michael J. Fox's abc series, "Spin
City?"
This has been haunting me.. i've been trying to figure out forever if
this is
the same girl.
   Thanking you in advance.
      *LUV9*
     ~Nasrin~


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n861.9 ---------------

From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 08:16:07 GMT
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References: <199807310407.VAA12721@lists1.best.com>
In-Reply-To: <199807310407.VAA12721@lists1.best.com>

On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:06:35 +1000 (EST), Aileen Dayao
<n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote:

>One movie which altho isn't the worst movie, I thought was pretty bad
was 
>DANTE'S PEAK -- I sat thru the whole movie, and the commentary and it
was 
>*ugh** =))

Ouch!

I actually bought that piece of crap, what a waste.  And it was pretty
expensive too.  Haven't listen to the commentary yet, don't think i
ever will.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: qt
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 08:16:07 GMT
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On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:44:52 -0400, "Eileene Coscolluela"
<ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com> wrote:

>>Zoe, some people say he looks like morrissey.  But you're right, he's
>>still a dork and a worthless director.
>
>well, I do have to say that I enjoyed "Pulp Fiction".  I resisted
watching

It's not a bad film.  I've only seen it once, but i've watched the
last 15 or so minutes quite a few times, imho the best part of the
film.

Btw i only said he's a worthless director, i said nothing about his
writing skills.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n862 --------------

    001 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: Cosmos
    002 - Edward Babcock <topgun@ma - Re: New movies
    003 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: not fave movies etc...
    004 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - the Lara "Tomb Raider" Croft role
    005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: KW Update
    006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - OT:Snake Eyes
    007 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - SE:Carla Gugino
    008 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Why do we love HC
    009 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
    010 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: not fave movies etc...

--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n862.1 ---------------

From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Cosmos
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 08:16:06 GMT
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References: <199807310443.VAA05163@lists1.best.com>
<199807310929.CAA13794@lists1.best.com>
<199807311705.KAA07423@lists1.best.com>
In-Reply-To: <199807311705.KAA07423@lists1.best.com>

On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:43:29 +0200, lyric <dalyric@writeme.com> wrote:

>Today was my lucky day because I ordered the HC soundtrack 12 days ago
>and it arrived this afternoon!!!...whew!! are they fast or what??
>
>And I saw HC in a store, released by Cosmos Home Entertainment, 100
>mins. Does anyone know if this is a cropped version?? Jeroen maybe?

Well my NTSC laserdisc (2.35:1 widescreen US cut) is 99 minutes so
it's probably the US cut.  However, you say you saw it in a store, so
in your case it must be a PAL tape.  And since PAL transfers run 4%
faster it might be a longer version, like maybe the UK cut.

Was this store by any chance the virgin megastore in amsterdam?  I
bought a bunch of copies there once before i got it on disc and they
were the full-frame UK cut.

Keep us posted.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n862.2 ---------------

From: Edward Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: New movies
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:21:24 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In-Reply-To: <199808010657.XAA05812@lists1.best.com>

Yes she was in Always, and Spin City...

juliet



><< Carla Gugino was in Son in Law...she was the daughter >>
>
>   I was wondering if you could answer this much.. if Carla Gugino was
the
>daughter in Son in Law, then is she also the girl in Jon Bon Jovi's
"Always"
>video, and did she used to be on Michael J. Fox's abc series, "Spin
City?"
>This has been haunting me.. i've been trying to figure out forever if
this is
>the same girl.
>   Thanking you in advance.
>      *LUV9*
>     ~Nasrin~
>
>



--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n862.3 ---------------

From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:31:05 +1000 (EST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In-Reply-To: <199808010819.BAA02712@lists1.best.com>

> >One movie which altho isn't the worst movie, I thought was pretty
bad was 
> >DANTE'S PEAK -- I sat thru the whole movie, and the commentary and
it was 
> >*ugh** =))
> 
> Ouch!
> 
> I actually bought that piece of crap, what a waste.  And it was pretty
> expensive too.  Haven't listen to the commentary yet, don't think i
> ever will.

I'm one of those who love hearing the behind-the-scenes info on movies
etc, and enjoy hearing commentaries because it does give you insight to
some of the actor/director/whoever's thoughts when they were doing the
scene/film....

I've only listened to a few commentaries to movies (thanks to a very
nice
friend =))) and enjoyed hearing the ones given with the CONTACT DVD -- I
thought this movie deserved an award or ten, and more recognition for
special effects etc.. at the OSCARS -- then again a lot of films were
overlooked (as is usual in every year I guess =)), and in this case
because of that TITANIC =)))

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html



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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: the Lara "Tomb Raider" Croft role
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:53:08 +1000 (EST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In-Reply-To: <199808010407.VAA22409@lists1.best.com>

> << please excuse my ignorance... what is the Lara "Tomb Raider" Croft
role
>  about? >>
> 
> It is based on the widely popular game (that is if you have Sony
Playstation)
> Tomb Raider.  I've only seen the game played at friends' houses so I
wouldn't
> know much about it.
> 
> *janel*

Thanks for the info... I think I've heard of the game, never have played
it... or anything on playstation =))

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html



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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: KW Update
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 12:23:27 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

SHERIMER@aol.com wrote:

>What behavior was this? 

The "I was on saturday Night Live so kiss my ass cuz I'm funny and I 
don't need to prepare material" behavior.

Let's just say that Rob Schneider managed to "impress" a lot of people 
last week. (cough! gag!)

I've just had one of those weeks that feels like a cross between the 
movie "Swingers" and "The Player". The Just For Laughs Festival was on 
until last sunday. I ran a short film festival which went well. In 
addition to meeting a shipload of comics, I also met Mickey Dolenz (of 
"The Monkees") as well as Calvert DeForest (Larry "Bud" Melman on David 
Letterman). I also got to see Don Rickles inducted in the Comedy Hall
of 
Fame.

Then, last Tuesday, it was the opening of Planet Hollywood Montreal. 
There I saw (very up close) Sly Stallone, Bruce Willis, Cindy Crawford, 
Wesley Snipes, Dennis Rodman and Sporty Spice. The frenzy of the crowd 
was unbelievable.  

Then on thursday, I played a corpse on "Soldier of Fortune, Inc." (a
sort 
of "A-team" type show which may be retitled "Special Ops Force") and
ran 
into Rodman again as he is a regular on that show (I think they see him 
as their "Mr.T". I also met Mindy Clarke ("Return of the Living Dead 3" 
for you fan-boys out there).





(:^)]



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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: OT:Snake Eyes
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 12:48:26 -0400
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Aretese@aol.com wrote:

>Jean, what sort of a part do you play in
>'Snake Eyes'?

I played a background role as a ringside photographer. (The back of my 
vest reads # 1- Section 2. I am the first one behind the mexican
champ's 
corner)

When you see the film, you'll understand this. There were layers of 
actors between the stars and the real crowd of extras. Those so-called 
"acting extras" had specific things to do. This was a very complex
shoot. 

As I was being "background" I sort of hid my face behind my camera. The 
purpose of "background acting" is to dissapear and blend into the 
surroundings. I had a scene where I am popping flashes in John Heard's 
face as he accompanies a gurney.  

This was a few weeks of work. Although the film is set in Atlantic
City, 
all the indoor stuff was done in Montreal's famed Forum, which used to
be 
the mecca of ice-hockey.


(:^)]



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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: SE:Carla Gugino
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 12:52:36 -0400
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StarScully@aol.com wrote:

>Jean, you don't have to persuad me to go to see Snake Eyes, I wanna
see it 
>for
>Carla Gugino.  I swear i have seen her somewhere else before, but I
don't 
>know
>where.

She plays the "Hitchcock Blond" in this film. (I guess Brian DePalma 
can't help himself with Hitch pastiches- the murder is clearly inspired 
from "The Man Who Knew Too Much").

Carla used to play Michael J. Fox's girlfriend on "Spin City".


(:^)]



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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Why do we love HC
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:12:16 -0300
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> I think what I am trying to say, and not getting it across very well,
> is that why everyone isn't affected by Heavenly Creatures? We are
> different in our likings (eg I DON'T like Nick Cage) but yet we all
> seem to love this particular film.

I remember when I asked about everybody's favourite movies, and one
thing I didn't expect was to see how different in our likings we are. At
first I thought it would be just the opposite, but this made me wonder
what makes us all love HC, and if we have similar reasons to like it or
not.

As for myself, it's easier to explain it, now that I came out to
everybody... It was like a dream to me, to have such a deep relationship
like Pauline and Juliet had, which unfortunately I didn't have. But at
the same time, it was so tragic and sad; and apart from the moider
(which is something I couldn't identify with, of course...) I felt I
could understand, and fear, that kind of pressure on them. I don't know
about anybody else, but it would be interesting to know everybody's
reasons for being here (specially you, guys!). 

As I seem to be one of the few people here who prefer European movies to
things such as NBK (no offense intended, Jeroen :)), all this talk about
our likes and dislikes sounds quite interesting for me.

:*
Juliana.




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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: joey lauren adams (OT)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 16:49:45 +0200
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Kate McFarland wrote:

> Joey LAUREN Adams she is one of the hottest women around!!!!

Whoops!...sorry...
Marloes


-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: not fave movies etc...
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 17:50:48 +0200
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Jane Fribit wrote:
> 
> Basically I don't understand why we are the ones so affected by
> it and others just pass it over like any other film.

Yes, I've been thinking about that exact same thing! The few people that
have seen it that I know about absolutely LOVED it, but they aren't as
fascinated by the story as I am (and we probably all are...) Am I just
too obsessed (if such a thing excists) or are they missing something to
see how fantastic this film really is? 

> Yet as others
> have mentioned, liking Natural Born Killers doesn't make you a serial
> killer, nor liking Trainspotting make you a drug addict.

Thank you...*LOL*

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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    001 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Cosmos
    002 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Why do we love HC
    003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: Why do we love HC
    004 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: Why do we love HC
    005 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - OT: NBK and Hollywood.
    006 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Dutch productions
    007 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: OT: NBK and Hollywood.

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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Cosmos
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 17:15:36 +0200
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Jeroen wrote:

> Well my NTSC laserdisc (2.35:1 widescreen US cut) is 99 minutes so
> it's probably the US cut.  However, you say you saw it in a store, so
> in your case it must be a PAL tape.  And since PAL transfers run 4%
> faster it might be a longer version, like maybe the UK cut.
> 
> Was this store by any chance the virgin megastore in amsterdam?  I
> bought a bunch of copies there once before i got it on disc and they
> were the full-frame UK cut.
> 
> Keep us posted.

No, it was just the V&D...I was quite surprised that it was sold over
there. I wanted to buy it today...guess what? They couldn't find the
tape....I was like: well, SEARCH!!! Anyway, they had to order a new one
and promised me I can pick it up at the end of next week...

BTW, the soundtrack is fabulous! but I guess that's old news for most of
you...*smiles*

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 21:41:33 +0200
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Juliana Bastos wrote:

> I don't know about anybody else, but it would be interesting to 
> know everybody's reasons for being here (specially you, guys!).

Well, I'm no guy...but I'm still going to answer this one... (-:
What I found very interesting was that Pauline and Juliet were able to
create their own fantasy-world. The way they could think of a character
and just be that person, the fascination for their own creation in which
they played the main parts. They could live without the rest of the
world as long as they could be together...who wouldn't want a
relationship like they had? I'd do anything to get what they had...
And although Honora didn't deserve to die, I still can't blame Paul and
Juliet. I know that what they did was wrong, but I can understand why
they did it... That's probably my biggest fascination and I surprised
myself with that!

> As I seem to be one of the few people here who prefer European movies
to
> things such as NBK (no offense intended, Jeroen :)), all this talk
about
> our likes and dislikes sounds quite interesting for me.

I also like to see what people like and absolutely detest, there are
quite a few people who don't like that last thing though...much to my
regret! It's pretty interesting to see some different opinions, imagine
we all agreed on everything here, that would be boring! An opinion could
never be offending to me...and I don't think that anyone should be
ashamed to give his/her opinion, even though it's opposite from everyone
else thinks. I'd say that's THE reason to post it!!!
Anyway, enough lectured for today...I am a fan of low-budget films...and
I also love to see Dutch films (or is that practically the same???
*smiles*). Ever seen one?

Marloes

-- 
You asked me if I wrote now?
I have no other playmate.
 - Emily Dickinson




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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:50:00 GMT
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On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:12:16 -0300, Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
wrote:

>As I seem to be one of the few people here who prefer European movies
to
>things such as NBK (no offense intended, Jeroen :)), all this talk
about
>our likes and dislikes sounds quite interesting for me.

I'm a big fan of european cinema myself, especially stuff from russia
and poland.  And france too.

But, i have a problem with your 'things such as NBK' categorization.
Which other films are in that category?  I mean it's not exactly your
average hollywood summer action flick.  It would have made sense if
you had written 'prefer european movies to things as TITANIC'.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:50:00 GMT
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On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 21:41:33 +0200, lyric <dalyric@writeme.com> wrote:

>Juliana Bastos wrote:
>
>> I don't know about anybody else, but it would be interesting to 
>> know everybody's reasons for being here (specially you, guys!).

For more than one reason.  The most obvious one is that i love the
film.  I was really obsessed with it during the few months after i
first saw it, but that phase is behind me now, i haven't watched HC
for 6 or 7 weeks, and i have no intention to watch it anytime soon.
But, i still know why i love it so much.  It's the tragedy of the
story, the breath-taking cinematography and the use of music.  Of
course the story is the most important, but a potentially good story
is worthless when handled by less than capable people or people with
the wrong intentions.  Imaging HC being done by your average hollywood
director with your average hollywood cast.  It would have sucked big
time.

Then i'm also here because i love to read what people on this list
have to say about HC and other films.  Of course there are jean's
wonderful insider contributions.  But basically i love to read all
posts just as much, even the off-topic ones.  I've been on a few
mailing lists, but this one is by far the nicest and most interesting
one.

>Anyway, enough lectured for today...I am a fan of low-budget
films...and
>I also love to see Dutch films (or is that practically the same???
>*smiles*). Ever seen one?

Quite a few, actually :)

My favorites: VAN GELUK GESPROKEN, SPOORLOOS and ZUSJE.  However the
big problem with dutch films is that there is never enough money for
post-production.  For example i can't remember seeing a dutch film
that doesn't have audio sync problems.

BTW my niece has been married to dutch film producer dick maas.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: OT: NBK and Hollywood.
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:05:17 -0300
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> I'm a big fan of european cinema myself, especially stuff from russia
> and poland.  And france too.

Yes, I also like French movies, but, as everything else in France, they
used to be better than nowadays...
 
> But, i have a problem with your 'things such as NBK' categorization.
> Which other films are in that category?  I mean it's not exactly your
> average hollywood summer action flick.  It would have made sense if
> you had written 'prefer european movies to things as TITANIC'.

:) Of course I didn't intend to put NBK in the same category as Titanic.
But they're two different types of Hollywood movies. NBK is, IMHO, a
typical Hollywood movie in the sense that's 100% American, who else
could do anything like it? And, as in most American movies, it's for me
too explicit in its content and message. But the thing I dislike most in
it is the pretentiousness in proposing an innovation with the camera
that isn't as much innovative as it's tiresome. I had big arguments with
some of my friends that loved NBK, for exactly that reason, and in the
end nobody could convince the other part... It's a matter of taste,
anyway, I just don't like it.

But then you may ask, "but isn't Titanic disgustingly explicit in its
content and message, too"? Of course it is, you're right. But nobody
should expect more from it, I wouldn't want to see a Titanic with deep
philosophical discussions or whatever. It's the same principle why I
like The Sound of Music: you know what you're going to see in it, and
you're satisfied at the end because it gave you everything you wanted to
get out happy from the movie theater. In this sense, Titanic is a good
movie, because it's just entertainment (and it even surprised me because
the hero dies in the end!).

Of course, I would die of boredom if I just watched these cheesy movies,
but at the same time I can't stand just watching art movies all the
time. Even because not "everything European" is good, too: for instance,
I absolutely hate Theo Angelopoulos, he's the most pretentious and
boring director I've ever known.

And a shorter note about Dutch movies. They're almost totally unknown
here in Brazil, but one movie I liked a lot is Antonia's Line.

:*
Juliana.




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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Dutch productions
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:32:52 +0200
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Jeroen wrote:

> >I also love to see Dutch films (or is that practically the same???
> >*smiles*). Ever seen one?
> 
> Quite a few, actually :)

LOL...I thought you would have! (-: I absolutely adore Monique v.d.
Ven...I don't know why, always liked her style! I love The Johnsons and
still find it one of the scariest films I've ever seen, although my
sister laughs at it... and Turks Fruit is also a wonderful film...

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: OT: NBK and Hollywood.
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:38:02 +0200
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Juliana Bastos wrote:

> And a shorter note about Dutch movies. They're almost totally unknown
> here in Brazil, but one movie I liked a lot is Antonia's Line.

I think you're talking about the film that was called 'Antonia' over
here, it won an oscar, didn't it? I'm ashamed to say that I didn't even
see it, neither did I see 'Karakter', a Dutch film that won an oscar
this year... (thanx to the 'damn good subtitles' according to Mike v.
Diem...LOL)

Marloes

-- 
It's my belief that we all have the need to feel special, and it's this
need that can bring out the best in us, yet the worst in us.
- Janet, Velvet Rope




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    001 - Cassandra Hoover <Cassand - Unsubscribing
    002 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Re: Why do we love HC
    003 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Re: qt
    004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Why do we love HC
    005 - LuvleeNine@aol.com        - Re: Why do we love HC
    006 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Why do we love HC

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From: Cassandra Hoover <Cassandra@jnpcs.com>
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:29:14 -0400
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Can someone please oh please give me the address to the site I have to
go to so I can unsubscribe?  I'm going out of the country for three
weeks and I need to get off the list while i'm gone.  

thank you

cassandra hoover



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From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:13:52 -0500 (EST)
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along with jean i'm one of the original list members (i think there were
11) i'm here because i am obsessed with the original story, and the film
brought out details i never knew in all those crumby true crime books. 

the creation of their fantasy kingdoms for their novels, and the 4th
world,
which was their religion, are fascinating to me. i used to always do the
same thing. 

i stay on the list because i like to hear about what other people think
of
the film and the real story, and the occasional news about what sarah
peirse or melanie lynskey or simon o'connor are doing now. plus getting
to
read all of jean's interesting things, i really learn a lot, and
getting to
follow his career. i consider that a privilege, seeing it sort of from
the
"inside".

                    --==** melanthe alexian **==--
                      ...she just slipped away...



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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>
Subject: Re: qt
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:49:09 -0400
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> On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:44:52 -0400, "Eileene Coscolluela"
> <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com> wrote:

> >>Zoe, some people say he looks like morrissey.  But you're right,
he's
> >>still a dork and a worthless director.
> >
> >well, I do have to say that I enjoyed "Pulp Fiction".  I resisted
watching

> It's not a bad film.  I've only seen it once, but i've watched the
> last 15 or so minutes quite a few times, imho the best part of the
> film.

> Btw i only said he's a worthless director, i said nothing about his
> writing skills.

     I thought he wrote and directed Pulp Fiction.
     I don't know.. I think that someone who is supposedly "a dork and
worthless director" did a pretty good job with Pulp Fiction as a writer
and
director.  I can't establish if he is  "dork" since that really requires
analysis of his behavior (I do, however, recall a very insightful and
intelligent interview with Charley Rose) but I think that the degree of
competence reflected in Pulp Fiction as writing and direction qualifies
as
greater than "worthless" as a director.

Eileene =)




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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 98 10:39:32 -0400
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mailcall wrote:

>plus getting to
>read all of jean's interesting things,

Now you've done it. My head's gonna swell. :-)

> i really learn a lot, and getting to
>follow his career.

Career is a big word. After all, I went from kissing Kate in an Oscar 
nominated film to kissing dirt in a Dennis Rodman TV show.

> i consider that a privilege, seeing it sort of from the
>"inside".

I'm just a lucky film buff who has had the chance of crashing the
making 
of this most extraordinary film. I'm on this list to share the
experience 
with other fellow film buffs and HC fans. 


(:^)]



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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:25:06 EDT
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In a message dated 8/3/98 7:54:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
orson@videotron.ca writes:

<< Career is a big word. After all, I went from kissing Kate in an
Oscar 
 nominated film to kissing dirt in a Dennis Rodman TV show.
  >>
   Oh, my. Now I feel like a sillyass.  I knew you were working in film
(at
least, i think i knew.) But i'm realizing i didn't know very much..
could you
please email me, perhaps personally, so as not to disturb the list, and
tell
me what you've done.  My curiosity has peaked. Thank you. =)

 *LUV9*
~Nasrin~


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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:27:13 +0200
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LuvleeNine@aol.com wrote:

> could you please email me, perhaps personally, so as not to disturb
the 
> list... 

I am NEVER disturbed by any contribution...and I'd like to receive that
HUGE list as well Jean!! (-: Thanx...

Marloes

-- 
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris




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    001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - My so-called career.
    002 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Romance: Ever After - A
Cinderella Story (fwd)
    003 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Romance: Ever After - A
Cinderella Story (fwd)
    004 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Romance: Ever After - A
Cinderella Story (fwd)
    005 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - Re: Why do we love HC? & also a
question about "cult" films
    006 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - KW: news from Australia
    007 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: KW: news from Australia
    008 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)  - Re: OT: NBK and Hollywood.
    009 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: KW: news from Australia
    010 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: My so-called career.

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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: My so-called career.
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 98 19:27:45 -0400
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Nasrin wrote:

<< Career is a big word. After all, I went from kissing Kate in an
Oscar 
 nominated film to kissing dirt in a Dennis Rodman TV show.
  >>
   Oh, my. Now I feel like a sillyass.  I knew you were working in film 
(at
least, i think i knew.) But i'm realizing i didn't know very much..
could 
you
please email me, perhaps personally, so as not to disturb the list, and 
tell
me what you've done.  My curiosity has peaked. Thank you. =)

Then, lyric wrote:

>I am NEVER disturbed by any contribution...and I'd like to receive that
>HUGE list as well Jean!! (-: Thanx...
>
>Marloes

Let's clarify something here about my so called career.

It's far from being huge. I've been kicking around the industry for
about 
ten years (since graduating from film school). But that was mostly as a 
festival organiser and film critic.

I obsessed over rent for too long and had to curtail my writing. In
1992 
while working for a film festival in Montreal , I met Peter Jackson and 
Fran Walsh and they gave me my break in film acting.

So after HC, I did get a few roles but they are few and far between.
Few 
people have seen HC in Montreal - especially casting directors!

There was: 

"Frankenstein and Me" (1996) where I play a doctor who can't save Burt 
Reynolds from a heart attack.

"La Vengeance de la Femme en Noir" (1996) -came out in Quebec only- I 
played Orson again. The film was a notorious flop.

"Provocateur" (don't know if it's out) it stars Jeanne Marsh. I play a 
soldier.

"The Hunter" (yet to be completed- shooting resumes in sept)- I play a 
bald bodyguard to Kim Patton (Ashlyn Gere)

"Babel" (not out yet- it's a kid movie with Maria DeMedeiros)I play one 
of 12 bald henchmen in nightvision goggles. Good luck spotting me in
that 
one. LOL

"Snake Eyes" (out friday) - uncredited role as ringside photographer. I 
probably can be spotted. I caught a bit on Charley Rose where I knew it 
was me but was not recognizeable (I was in the background being chased
by 
security guards while Cage and Sinise were in the foreground having a 
discussion). Oddly enough, this is the most work I've had on a film:
over 
three weeks of shooting. 

That's it for the acting list. I was turned down for roles because I
have 
yet to be in either of the acting unions in Canada. Since HC is a NZ
film 
idoesn't count and the rest of my roles are spread over two acting
unions 
(French and English languages). If all my work had been in 
english-canadian films I'd be a full time union member and then would 
probaly get decent work.

Oh! That Dennis Rodman thing is an episode of the upcoming TV series 
"S.O.F" (it stands for either "Soldier of Fortune inc" of "Special Ops 
Force") which begins this fall (either on cable or syndication)

HC remains the only thing I can really brag about...and I can't cuz I 
really got this part as a complete fluke and whatever performance I 
turned in is really due to the director's talent. 

This is also how I know Kate is so talented because she made it look
like 
having me on top of her in bed look like a pleasurable experience.

I'm beginning to show up on Canadian TV as an entertainment reporter.
MIDDAY is in reruns for summer but I was told they would definitely be 
using me this fall.

Right now, I'm in "developpement hell" on two writing projects. That's 
the part of the project where everybody loves your idea but pay a lot
of 
people big money to make sure they don't pay you for nothing. Meanwhile 
they don't pay you which is why I take whatever I can- like kissing the 
dirt behind some hoop jockey's boots. (No! I have no Rodman stories! He 
was quiet on set and very professional. I think he enjoyed the fact
that 
in Montreal, Basketball is no big deal).

Everybody does it! Even Bruce Willis can be spotted as a jury member in 
JAGGED EDGE and the original 1953 Titanic has Sean Connery amongst its 
extras. 

The only part that worries me is that I seem to be downwardly mobile.

Then again, HC is such a great film everything I do will pale in 
comparison.





E.Jean Guerin

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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Romance: Ever After - A Cinderella Story (fwd)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:25:16 +1000 (EST)
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Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html

---------- Forwarded message ----------

In a message dated 98-08-03 11:14:15 EDT, you write:

<< We ask because after the death of her father, Danielle is made a
servant
 in her step-mother's home.  We couldn't decide how this could be the
 case.   If her  father had a title, wouldn't his property and title go
 to the oldest male heir?  Could it have gone to his wife, her step-
 mother, and upon her death, to Danielle herself?  
 
 We loved the movie but couldn't figure out the attachments.  My husband
 thought maybe the father's title was not a landed title but a name
title
 or that he had given the step-mother a dower estate.  He thinks like a
 lawyer, but that's what he is. >>

My understanding is that primogeniture applies to England, but not
France.  I
could be, of course, completely off and misunderstood, but at least
that's
what I think.



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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Romance: Ever After - A Cinderella Story (fwd)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:24:35 +1000 (EST)
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Hi! The below was posted on another list I'm on =))

Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html

---------- Forwarded message ----------

We went and saw Ever After this weekend, and loved it - even my six-year
-old daughter thought it was great.  Frankly, we both loved The Parent
Trap too, but this post isn't about romantic movies, but about history. 
My husband and I were trying to figure out if some of the
relationships/titles were correct.

To be brief - At the start of the movie, Danielle's father marries a
woman with two children.  He lives on an estate with servants and land. 
He refers to his new wife as the Comtess.  BTW, this is France in the
1500's.  First question or two - we can't figure out if he was titled
and his new wife married into the title or whether she was titled
previously.  If that were the case, would she have married him at all
and/or  retained her title after marriage?

We ask because after the death of her father, Danielle is made a servant
in her step-mother's home.  We couldn't decide how this could be the
case.   If her  father had a title, wouldn't his property and title go
to the oldest male heir?  Could it have gone to his wife, her step-
mother, and upon her death, to Danielle herself?  

We loved the movie but couldn't figure out the attachments.  My husband
thought maybe the father's title was not a landed title but a name title
or that he had given the step-mother a dower estate.  He thinks like a
lawyer, but that's what he is.

Someone who knows, let me know.

Thanks.
--



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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Romance: Ever After - A Cinderella Story (fwd)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:42:02 +1000 (EST)
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Carter's Dreams __o    take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
   Keeper     _`\<,_ mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
 .  .  .  .  (*)/ (*) 
http://www.cit.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html

---------- Forwarded message ----------

You are right Louisiana follows Napolionic Code(based on french codes)
instead of
English Common law and inheritance is handled much differently there so
Im sure
if the movie took place in France the laws of tittles ect. would also be
different



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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why do we love HC? & also a question about "cult" films
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
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Dear Creatures,

I am here because basically I absolutely adore Heavenly Creatures as a
film and I want to hear other peoples ideas / interpretations of the
film. 

But then, upon firstly pondering about what is in us that makes us
love HC and not others, I began to ponder on what is the definition of
a "cult" film. Films like Trainspotting, Taxi Driver, Quadrophenia,
American Graffiti, Star Wars, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, all seem
to have this so called "cult" following, thus they become a "cult"
film. But why then isn't every film considered a cult film, because
there must be at least one person in the world obsessed by it. 

I'm not saying that we are obsessed with HC. I am not obsessed - I am
just a great admirer of Peter Jackson and his cast. I admire and
respect the way that they brought the story to film.

So I was wondering if you consider HC to be a cult film. I don't like
the term, but aren't we just a cult following. Does size matter? (btw:
how many people are on this list?)

I also do take into account that we are not the only HC fans out
there. Think of all the non-Internet people with no one to talk to.
Before I found this mailing list I was alone in my thoughts. (btw:
Thank you everyone :o))

Regards,

Jane
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: KW: news from Australia
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:35:11 +0800 (WST)
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Hello creatures (and afflicted admirers of La Boheme)

The following was in my morning paper:

<...Kate Winslet, filming Jane Campion's Holy Smoke in New South Wales
[last I heard it was the Flinders Ranges, which are in South Australia,
but who knows] is reported to be on a strict brussels sprouts diet to
lose
4.5 kilos before shooting nude scenes.   It has also been suggested that
the Titanic star is to play Arnold Schwarzennegger's wife in his next
movie, End of Days.  He has asked that she drop a similar amount of
weight
before filming commences>

Dear god, I hope she tells him to get stuffed.  Does this mean as well
as
the current 4.5 kilos (about 10 lbs)?  How ludicrous.  And brussel
sprouts!  Can this possibly be true?  My idea of total hell:  living on
brussel sprouts while listening to La Boheme and playing at being
Arnie's
wife.

cheers

*Rana borovnia*





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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: KW: news from Australia
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 07:36:06 GMT
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On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:35:11 +0800 (WST), Sandra Bowdler
<sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> wrote:

>4.5 kilos before shooting nude scenes.   It has also been suggested
that
>the Titanic star is to play Arnold Schwarzennegger's wife in his next
>movie, End of Days.  He has asked that she drop a similar amount of
weight

This has GOT to be a joke, right?  Arnold, yeck!  Now excuse me while
i go cut miss winslet out of all my HC posters.  First TITANIC, now
this.  She sold out big time.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: OT: NBK and Hollywood.
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 07:36:06 GMT
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On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:05:17 -0300, Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
wrote:

>:) Of course I didn't intend to put NBK in the same category as
Titanic.
>But they're two different types of Hollywood movies. NBK is, IMHO, a
>typical Hollywood movie in the sense that's 100% American, who else

Typical hollywood <> 100% american.

>could do anything like it? And, as in most American movies, it's for me
>too explicit in its content and message. But the thing I dislike most
in
>it is the pretentiousness in proposing an innovation with the camera
>that isn't as much innovative as it's tiresome. I had big arguments
with
>some of my friends that loved NBK, for exactly that reason, and in the
>end nobody could convince the other part... It's a matter of taste,
>anyway, I just don't like it.

Well the nervous camera movements are there for 2 reasons:

1. it's a film about the media
2. the most important character in the film is chaos.

>But then you may ask, "but isn't Titanic disgustingly explicit in its
>content and message, too"? Of course it is, you're right. But nobody
>should expect more from it, I wouldn't want to see a Titanic with deep

Being an oliver stone fan i got more or less what i expected after my
1st NBK viewing.  Of course it took me several viewings and finally
hearing the commentary on the laserdisc to really get all the
brilliant little touches.

>philosophical discussions or whatever. It's the same principle why I
>like The Sound of Music: you know what you're going to see in it, and
>you're satisfied at the end because it gave you everything you wanted
to
>get out happy from the movie theater. In this sense, Titanic is a good
>movie, because it's just entertainment (and it even surprised me
because
>the hero dies in the end!).

I don't think i will ever say TITANIC is a good movie, but i get your
point.  The thing is i can say the exact same thing regarding NBK.  I
like movies that blow me away in every aspect.  But they should also
leave some food for thought.  And NBK did all that and more for me.
Because wether you love or hate it, you can't argue the film presents
some very interesting viewpoints on topics such as the media and their
influence, life & death, male/female stereotypes, violence in society
etc.

>Of course, I would die of boredom if I just watched these cheesy
movies,
>but at the same time I can't stand just watching art movies all the
>time. Even because not "everything European" is good, too: for
instance,
>I absolutely hate Theo Angelopoulos, he's the most pretentious and
>boring director I've ever known.

Most european movies suck.  I hate most german films, as well as all
french comedies.  The current crop of italian movies make me nervous.
Most belgian movies suck too, as does 90% of all dutch movies
(especially the main stream releases).  But, i love almost everything
from eastern-europe, and most of the french dramas.

--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94 - icq #15894278
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures


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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: KW: news from Australia
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:48:26 +0100 (BST)
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On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Sandra Bowdler wrote:

> And brussel
> sprouts!  Can this possibly be true?

Sprouts definitely rank high on the (imaginary) Reiper family menu,
along
with primitive Weetabix, sausage rolls and fruit scones.

Let us delight in one civilised response to such sordid remnants of the
Fifties.  Nigel Slater, 'Real Food' (1997), p. 202: 

'Brussel sprouts, my bete noire of the vegetable world, should be kept
as
far away from water as possible.  How can anything that smells as if it
has already been digested be good to eat?  Though shred them with a big
knife and toss them with oil, chilli and garlic and you have a vegetable
to relish'.

> My idea of total hell:  living on
> brussel sprouts while listening to La Boheme and playing at being
Arnie's
> wife.

What about being given a gold elephant for Xmas by the offspring of such
a ludic marital arrangement?  ;-)

Cheers,

Phil



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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: My so-called career.
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:59:31 +0200
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E. Jean Guerin wrote:

> That's it for the acting list. I was turned down for roles because I
have
> yet to be in either of the acting unions in Canada. Since HC is a NZ
film
> idoesn't count and the rest of my roles are spread over two acting
unions
> (French and English languages). If all my work had been in
> english-canadian films I'd be a full time union member and then would
> probaly get decent work.

I didn't know yo had to be in a union to get a role...why's that?
btw. I think you can be proud of your career. It's very hard to make it
in filmbussiness and a lot of people are trying it! Look at it this way,
you have hat least a few people who are always interested, your own
fanclub right here!!! LOL

> HC remains the only thing I can really brag about...and I can't cuz I
> really got this part as a complete fluke and whatever performance I
> turned in is really due to the director's talent.

Geeezzz...whatever happened to self-confidence???? 

Marloes

-- 
I am going your way,
so let us go hand in hand
- William Morris




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