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001 - "Robert Peters" <jirkpete - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n807
002 - Lela Kaunitz <lelak@heale - Sarah Pierse on Water Rats?
003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - ML:Ever After preview false alarm
004 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - ot: nbk
005 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - Water Rats Episode
006 - Christy Price <christy@ty - Giulietta/Julietta?
007 - Christy Price <christy@ty - Giulietta/Julietta?
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> -------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n807 --------------
>
> 001 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Re: HC line "Load of bunkum"
> 002 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Re: OT-Top 100
> 003 - Rosedwson4@aol.com - congrats Jean :-)
> 004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: To Jean mainly again!!!
> 005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Jean's Career
> 006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: congrats Jean :-)
> 007 - rujesse@iname.com - (OT)New Address for the Summer
> 008 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Re: OT-Top 100
> 009 - "Jennifer Sellers" <jengr - Re: OT-MM & JD
> 010 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - HC Actor Spotting
>
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n807.1 ---------------
>
> From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>
> Subject: Re: HC line "Load of bunkum"
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:09:10 +0200
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> In-Reply-To: <199806130516.WAA25005@lists1.best.com>
>
> Hi Creatures,
>
> At 22:16 12-06-98 -0700, Adam Abrams wrote:
> >>Of course me and my HCobsessed
> >>mind thought of the line in HC when Juliet says something along the
lines of
> >>"What a load of bunkum"...
> >
> >Yep, HC obsession... my brain's been sort of reprogrammed by HC as
well.
> >Last week, I was watching "Coronation Street" (highly popular British
soap
> >populated by lots of working-class, Rieper-type I guess, folks!) and
one
> >guy used the term "up the duff". I took great satisfaction in both
knowing
> >exactly what the expression meant, and the little reminder of HC ("I
bet
> >she gets up the duff on their first night togeher!!!").
>
> I have had a similar experience from S&S. I've just finished my exam
in
> British Lit and one of the poems I had to prepare for the exam was The
> Castaway by William Cowper (amazingly beautiful poem by the way) and
every
> time I read that last stanza (no voice divine the storm allayed, no
light
> propicious shone, when snatched from all effectual aid we perished
each
> alone....) I could hear Marianne/Kate saying in my head "Can you not
feel
> his dispair" ????
> I found that highly amusing,
>
> man you've been busy on the list for the last few weeks, got loads of
posts
> to catch up on...
>
> Cheers,
>
> *Passer borovnius var. hafniensis*
>
>
>
> >BTW, the way he said it confirmed its meaning of "pregnant", as we
hashed
> >out on the list here a while back... please let's don't rekindle that
old
> >thread! 8^)
> >
> >Adam
> >
>
>==========================================================================
> > The HEAVENLY CREATURES website has MOVED!
> > www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/2194/
> >
> > Visit THE ADAM ZONE www.helix.net/~adamabr/adamzone/
>
>==========================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> =====================================================
> "When everything gets tough, denials all we have"
> tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com
> =====================================================
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n807.2 ---------------
>
> From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>
> Subject: Re: OT-Top 100
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:52:59 +0200
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>
> Hi Creatures,
>
> At 00:09 21-06-98 -0300, Juliannawrote:
> >With all this talk about the top 100 American movies (a list, by the
> >way, which I think is a bit more intended for commercial purposes
than
> >it could be...), I thought it would be interesting to know what
would be
> >your choices,
>
> Here ya go:
>
> Heavenly Creatures,
> Jude,
> Sense and Sensibility,
> Un Coeur En Hiver,
> Manon Des Sources,
> Trois couleurs Bleu,
> Trois Couleurs Rouge,
> La Double Vie De Veronique (both versions),
> Fried Green Tomatoes,
> Unhook the Stars,
> Before Sunrise,
> Peter's Friends,
> The Winter Guest,
> West Side Story,
> Splendor in the Grass,
> Beauty and the Beast (Disney Cartoon - Guess I am a softy at heart :),
> While You Were Sleeping (love it cos it's so darn romantic).
>
> I guess I am biased the French way (except in football...bloody.....;)
Some
> of my favourite actors are Daniel Auteuil, Emmanuelle Beart, Vincent
Perez
> and Irene Jacob.
>
> Anti-list:
>
> The Portrait of a Lady,
> Four Rooms,
> Cable Guy,
> Muriel's Wedding,
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ps. Eileene, there's just been published a new book about Nero by Rudi
> Thomsen, the bad news is that it's in Danish.
>
> =====================================================
> "When everything gets tough, denials all we have"
> tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com
> =====================================================
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n807.3 ---------------
>
> From: Rosedwson4@aol.com
> Subject: congrats Jean :-)
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:16:09 EDT
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>
> hey all...
> I just wanted to say congrats to Jean for the shows and that film and
the
> agency (all the best of luck with that one!!!) I just wish i could get
myself
> AN agent...and hes talking about one of the biggest agencies in his
area
> wanting ti represent him.
> wow :-) just one thing... if you get all huge and famous..dont forget
us.. :-)
> heehee. im just kidding :-) well ill talk to you later
> love,
> Rachel
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n807.4 ---------------
>
> From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
> Subject: Re: To Jean mainly again!!!
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 11:38:24 -0400
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>
> Gem* wrote:
>
> >Just to say thanx for being understanding and not totally yelling
blue
> >murder at me!!!!! :-)
>
> We knew the intentions were good.
>
> >You're a star!
>
> Heavens no. I'm just a a poor schmoe trying to get work in this
industry.
>
> I've worked with stars but I'm far from being one myself.
>
>
> (:^)]
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n807.5 ---------------
>
> From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
> Subject: Re: Jean's Career
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 11:42:30 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> RUbabes@aol.com wrote:
>
> >Congrats Jean on your promotion of sorts for CBC!! Sounds very
exciting...and
> >I definitely think you should attempt the Norman vacancy with Film
98...:)
>
> It's an audition, not a promotion. My last appearance on CBC was as a
> guest.
>
> The Barry Norman suggestion is flattering but I have quite a while to
go
> before I can achieve the sort of profile which makes such jobs
> accessible.
>
> Thank you all for your encouragement.
>
>
> (:^)]
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n807.6 ---------------
>
> From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
> Subject: Re: congrats Jean :-)
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 11:46:55 -0400
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>
> Rosedwson4@aol.com wrote:
>
> >and hes talking about one of the biggest agencies in his area
> >wanting ti represent him.
>
> One of the best, not the biggest. And then again, this is Montreal:
We're
> not talking William Morris or CAA here.
>
> I'm just excited at the prospect of work. The winter's been a killer.
>
> Saturday, I am working on a French-Canadian film - as an extra!
>
> So much for being a star. It's called "paying the rent".
>
> (:^)]
>
>
>
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>
> From: rujesse@iname.com
> Subject: (OT)New Address for the Summer
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:11:16 -0400 (EDT)
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>
> Dear Creatures,
>
> Just an FYI:
>
> I'm having my Heavenly Mail sent to this address for six weeks while
I'm
in England...can't access my AOL account...and don't want to miss out of
the list!
>
> I'll be sporadic...but, here.
>
> So...RUbabes@aol.com becomes suejuloph@mailexcite.com for the summer
where this list is concerned...
>
> Please write me privately at this address as well...I don't want to
clutter my AOL box b/c I can't check it for six weeks...
>
> Thanks :)
>
> -Jesse :)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com
>
>
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>
> From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>
> Subject: Re: OT-Top 100
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:31:43 +0200
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>
> Hi Ray,
>
> Here ya go:
>
> Heavenly Creatures,
> Jude,
> Sense and Sensibility,
> Un Coeur En Hiver,
> Manon Des Sources,
> Trois couleurs Bleu,
> Trois Couleurs Rouge,
> La Double Vie De Veronique (both versions),
> Fried Green Tomatoes,
> Unhook the Stars,
> Before Sunrise,
> Peter's Friends,
> The Winter Guest,
> West Side Story,
> Splendor in the Grass,
> Beauty and the Beast (Disney Cartoon - Guess I am a softy at heart :),
> While You Were Sleeping (love it cos it's so darn romantic).
>
>
> Anti-list:
>
> The Portrait of a Lady,
> Four Rooms,
> Cable Guy,
> Muriel's Wedding,
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> =====================================================
> "When everything gets tough, denials all we have"
> tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com
> =====================================================
>
>
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>
> From: "Jennifer Sellers" <jengrrrl@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: OT-MM & JD
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:22:21 -0700
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> ya well. i havent seen the movie in a while. you're lucky i remembered
that
> much.
> jennifer sellers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>
> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com <heavenly-c@lists.best.com>
> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 4:33 AM
> Subject: Re: OT-MM & JD
>
>
> >Hi Creatures,
> >
> >
> >At 14:58 21-06-98 -0700, you wrote:
> >>"you're tearing me apart! you you say one thing, you say another and
> >>everyone switches back again!" great movie!
> >>jennifer sellers
> >
> >
> >Just to be stupid and pedantic...it's "everybody changes back again"
> >
> >sorry couldn't help myself,
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >
> >=====================================================
> >"When everything gets tough, denials all we have"
> %3etinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com
> >=====================================================
> >
>
>
>
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>
> From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
> Subject: HC Actor Spotting
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:12:45 +0100
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>
> Hiya all,
>
> This might be of interest mainly to UK fans, but on watching
tonight's
> (Thursday 25th June 1998) episode of "Water Rats" (an australian cop
> show), to my delight I saw none other than Sarah Peirse in it ! She
> look the same as her Honary Reiper/Parker character (clothes,
hairstyle
> etc.) but plays a totally different type of character. No longer a
> victim ! She has a key role in it and boy can she smirk !
>
> Luckily, I have taped it, so if anyone wants to watch it, I can send
it
> to them. As I have no tape to tape facilities, I think the tape will
> just have to travel around the country one at a time. As the tape is
of
> no particular value, I don't mind sending it to person A who then
sends
> it to Person B etc... It is is PAL format. But if person A,B,C etc.
has
> the equipment and inclination maybe NTCS, SECAM copies can be made for
> non PAL fans...If necessary, I will find out the episode name so
perhaps
> people can buy the episode (assuming it is on sale).
>
> Just thought you might like to know.
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
>
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NEWS FLASH: FOR UK HC FANS:
HC PREMIERES ON BBC 2 SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Lela Kaunitz <lelak@healey.com.au>
Subject: Sarah Pierse on Water Rats?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:10:08 +1000
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Stephen -
>This might be of interest mainly to UK fans, but on watching tonight's
>(Thursday 25th June 1998) episode of "Water Rats" (an australian cop
>show), to my delight I saw none other than Sarah Peirse in it ! She
>look the same as her Honary Reiper/Parker character (clothes, hairstyle
>etc.) but plays a totally different type of character. No longer a
>victim ! She has a key role in it and boy can she smirk !
<snip>
>If necessary, I will find out the episode name so perhaps
>people can buy the episode (assuming it is on sale).
Would you be able to find the episode name out for me? One of my friends
tapes most of the episodes of the show, and I'd like to see this.
Lela
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: ML:Ever After preview false alarm
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 22:43:08 -0400
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Just endured a preview screening of Dr. Dolittle (one massive dog...or
is
it a turkey?) and saw the trailer for Ever After.
It wasn't a shot of Mel I saw at 9am the other morning at the X-files
press screening. It was a quick shot of Drew B.
I guess I hadn't had my full cup of coffee yet.
(:^)]
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: ot: nbk
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:20:32 GMT
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The friends of NBK on this list will be glad to know that i just added
scans of the lobby cards and press kit stills to my mighty homepage.
Enjoy.
PS the nuke-orson script still isn't finished so e. jean can take a
look too :)
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: Water Rats Episode
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:20:01 +0100
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Hiya,
The title of the Water Rats Episode with Sarah Peirse in was called "BAD
BLOOD"
Stephen
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: Giulietta/Julietta?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:27:36 -0700
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Hey fellow creatures,
I was just reading over everything at the Heavenly Creatures WEb site =
(/Hollywood/Studio/2194/creatures.html) and I =
came across the name Giulietta. I was wondering if this is the way the
=
name was spelled. If so then I have spelled it wrong, I'v been
spelling =
it Julietta. (EEK! *G*)Just curious!
Thanks to all who have responded to my H.C. fanfiction page so =
enthusiastically! I have gotten a page at geocities in the =
Hollywood/Bungalow section.
Adios!
Christy
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: Giulietta/Julietta?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:27:36 -0700
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Hey fellow creatures,
I was just reading over everything at the Heavenly Creatures WEb site =
(http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/2194/creatures.html) and I =
came across the name Giulietta. I was wondering if this is the way the
=
name was spelled. If so then I have spelled it wrong, I'v been
spelling =
it Julietta. (EEK! *G*)Just curious!
Thanks to all who have responded to my H.C. fanfiction page so =
enthusiastically! I have gotten a page at geocities in the =
Hollywood/Bungalow section.
Adios!
Christy
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001 - StarScully@aol.com - Re: ML:Ever After preview false
alarm
002 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Water Rats Episode
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From: StarScully@aol.com
Subject: Re: ML:Ever After preview false alarm
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:31:15 EDT
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In a message dated 98-06-25 22:49:44 EDT, Jean wrote:
<< Just endured a preview screening of Dr. Dolittle (one massive
dog...or is
it a turkey?) and saw the trailer for Ever After.
It wasn't a shot of Mel I saw at 9am the other morning at the X-files
press screening. It was a quick shot of Drew B.
I guess I hadn't had my full cup of coffee yet. >>
Yeah I just got back from seeing Dr.Dolittle, but I didn't see ML
anywhere
(well besides the "young" version of the character she plays). I was
trying
to pay attention to the screen, but my friends had to make comments on
how
much I adore DB I could barely pay attention.
(ot) is it just me or does that little girl who plays a young Drew, look
incredibly like her when Drew was that age?
Janel
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Water Rats Episode
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:03:47 +1000 (EST)
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On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Stephen Bull wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> The title of the Water Rats Episode with Sarah Peirse in was called
"BAD
> BLOOD"
>
> Stephen
Too bad we didn't know she'd be in the show before the episode showed on
tv *VBG* I like this show (ie Water Rats) but don't get to watch it
regularly...
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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001 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - hc bbc cut
002 - "Jaime Darque Junior" <da - HC Soundtrack
003 - Mad4Claire@aol.com - hello!
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: hc bbc cut
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:12:18 GMT
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Turned out the bbc used the same weird aspect ratio as german station
fox when they aired the NZ cut last year. It was 16:9 not 2.35:1 but
still a lot of picture info was cropped from the sides. Like the ilam
sign that only shows 'i', and the scene where p&j hold hands shows
only one horse and the house isn't in the middle but all the way on
the left side of the frame. So my guess is they took the p&s version
and framed it 16:9. How odd, and not even pleasing.
Didn't they do the same thing with PULP FICTION last year? I remember
reading some similar complaints in uk.media.home-cinema.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: "Jaime Darque Junior" <darque@dedalus.lcc.ufmg.br>
Subject: HC Soundtrack
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:16:29 -0300
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Hello Creatures.=20
I put a mp3 file of a HC Soundtrack in my page. It's Juliet's Aria.
I will put others files later.=20
=20
My HomePage is in http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/3517/
Bye, Jaime.
---
I'm not. I'm going to the fourth world. It's sort of like heaven; only =
better, because there aren't any christians there.
Kate Winslet as Juliet Hulme, in Heavenly Creatures.=20
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a mp3 file of a HC Soundtrack in my page. It's Juliet's =
Aria.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will put others files =
later.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>My HomePage is in <A=20
href=3D"http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/3517/">http://www.geo=
cities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/3517/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bye, Jaime.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>---</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not. I'm going to =
the fourth=20
world. It's sort of like heaven; only better, because there aren't
any=20
christians there.<BR>Kate Winslet as Juliet Hulme, in Heavenly=20
Creatures.</FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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From: Mad4Claire@aol.com
Subject: hello!
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:00:58 EDT
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hi there! if anyone remembers me....SARAH.... just wanted to say that i
am
bacK from my two month breaK from AOL. what' s been going on, on the
list?
~~^^SARAH^^~~
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001 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: hc bbc cut
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: hc bbc cut
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:43:20 +0100 (BST)
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On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Jeroen wrote:
> Turned out the bbc used the same weird aspect ratio as german station
> fox when they aired the NZ cut last year. It was 16:9 not 2.35:1 but
> still a lot of picture info was cropped from the sides.
Yeah, it was YEUCH. Quite a cheek to advertise a film as 'widescreen'
and
then to show LESS of the picture than the standard video version
available
in this country. AND to use the US cut, minus the Hulme garden party.
Madness, lunacy, idiocy. The BBC ought to be ashamed, etc etc. :)
Really, though, it did seem a pity.
Cheers,
Phil
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001 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Testing
002 - "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@na - Re: Testing
003 - "B & B Library APCO" <LIB - Re: ML:Ever After preview false
alarm -Reply
004 - "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@na - Re[2]: ML:Ever After preview
false alarm -Reply
005 - "Marie Braden" <braden@ms - Grrrr....THOUGHT I had the
soundtrack coming.....
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From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>
Subject: Testing
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:18:29 -0500 (EST)
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test, am i still on?
--==** melanthe alexian **==--
...she just slipped away...
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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@nass.usda.gov>
Subject: Re: Testing
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 10:38:30 -0500
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Yeah, you're still here. I haven't heard much from the list
myself. Maybe the americans are all gone for the week for the
holidays. My office is positively dead. I don't know about
the
non-americans.
-Brandi^^
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Author: <heavenly-c@lists.best.com> at INTERNET
Date: 6/30/98 10:18 AM
test, am i still on?
--==** melanthe alexian **==--
...she just slipped away...
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From: "B & B Library APCO" <LIB-APCO@balch.com>
Subject: Re: ML:Ever After preview false alarm -Reply
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:44:21 -0500
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I was watching the tv show, Access Hollywood and they showed a clip of =
EVER AFTER. This clip had a beautiful close up of Mel!! She was
standing =
next to an old man, and she was smiling. It was so good to finally see
=
her again. Too bad they didn't play this scene at the theater when I
saw =
the X-files. =20
Pam
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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@nass.usda.gov>
Subject: Re[2]: ML:Ever After preview false alarm -Reply
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 14:41:32 -0500
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Author: <heavenly-c@lists.best.com> at INTERNET
Date: 6/30/98 12:44 PM
I was watching the tv show, Access Hollywood and they showed a clip of
EVER
AFTER. This clip had a beautiful close up of Mel!! She was standing
next to an
old man, and she was smiling. It was so good to finally see her again.
Too bad
they didn't play this scene at the theater when I saw the X-files.
Pam
I saw the Ever After trailer while seeing the X-files as
well. It
made me mad that they didn't show either of the two
step-sisters.
I mean, without them, the step-mother's motives become rather
silly instead of looking out for her own dauthers. Not that
that
justifies her behavior, but..I just wanted to see Mel!
-Brandi^^
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From: "Marie Braden" <braden@msw0.attnet.or.jp>
Subject: Grrrr....THOUGHT I had the soundtrack coming.....
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:06:36 +0900
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Well, I sat there and ordered it from 1 Music Avenue, but they just
sent me
an email saying, OH this item is no longer available....how disturbing.
--------
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http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/2008
MCFL FAQ
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If dreams give you power, then I'm strong enough.
---Reba McEntire (Till You Love Me)
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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - PJ: BBC announces Hobbit
002 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - RE: Grrrr....THOUGHT I had the
soundtrack coming.....
003 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Unsubscribing for 1 month!
004 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - OT: my favourite films
005 - Ald14hc@aol.com - newbie
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: PJ: BBC announces Hobbit
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 19:51:53 -0400
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/newsid_98000/98048.stm
(:^)]
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Grrrr....THOUGHT I had the soundtrack coming.....
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Dear Creatures,
I ordered the HC soundtrack from the production company (Mana Music)
in Melbourne, Australia. You can email them at:
julie@mana.com.au
and they can send you details of where to send cheques, etc. I paid
$19.95 Australian dollars.
Their address is:
Mana Music
117 Rouse Street
Port Melbourne VIC 3207
When I emailed them I recieved an email back from Chris Gough, the
executive producer of the soundtrack - which I thought was pretty
nice. It was a very speedy reply also.
Regards,
Jane
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>
> From: "Marie Braden" <braden@msw0.attnet.or.jp>
> Subject: Grrrr....THOUGHT I had the soundtrack coming.....
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:06:36 +0900
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Well, I sat there and ordered it from 1 Music Avenue, but they just
sent me
> an email saying, OH this item is no longer available....how
disturbing.
>
> --------
> Put a face to the name! My boring personal page
> http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/2008
>
> MCFL FAQ
> http://members.delphi.com/maweena/index.html
>
>
> If dreams give you power, then I'm strong enough.
> ---Reba McEntire (Till You Love Me)
>
>
>
> --------------- END heavenly-c.v001.n812 ---------------
>
>
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Unsubscribing for 1 month!
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 03:25:14 -0400
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Dear all,
Since I will be away for appr. 1 month, I need to unsubscribe
from the mailing list, sadly. I WILL be back though, you can count on
that, I wouldn't miss this list for the world, I just hope it doesn't
die while I'm gone! See you all when I get back!
Regards,
Laurin
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: OT: my favourite films
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:37:51 -0700 (PDT)
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Dear Creatures,
Just thought since everyone else put their fav. films up I thought I
would. I'm sorry I'm a bit late compared to everyone but my internet
was cut off for a while because my brother went over our download
limit but that's another story, etc.
Anyway, they are in no particular order except the first two are my
two most favourites. I also added some actors and actresses so there
is no big mix-up - and in some cases I put supporting only because
their performance made me like the film so much or something like that.
1. Heavenly Creatures
2. Trainspotting
Much Ado About Nothing (Emma Thompson - the greatest actress)
The Party (Peter Sellers)
What's Up, Doc? (Ryan O'Neill)
Star Wars (Harrison Ford)
Back To The Future (Michael J Fox)
The Piano (Holly Hunter)
Rear Window (James Stewart)
The Usual Suspects (Kevin Spacey)
Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade (Harrison Ford)
Hamlet (Branagh's 4hr version)
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles)
Reality Bites (Janeane Garofalo)
Fargo (Steve Buscemi)
Singin' In The Rain (Gene Kelly)
and all of the 31 Carry On... films (hehehe - Kenneth Williams is
wonderful)
There is so so so many more but dinner is ready and my mother is
calling me. sorry that sounded so lame. Have a wonderful day everyone.
:)
Regards,
Jane
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From: Ald14hc@aol.com
Subject: newbie
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:00:06 EDT
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Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself to this list. My name is
Angie, and
I'm from New Orleans. I love Kate, and HC, in fact, I just watched it
again
last night. I think that movie gets better and better each time I
watch it.
I seem to understand it better each time. I am about to go buy the book
"Parker & Hulme: a lesbian view", can anyone tell me if it is a good
read?
Anyway, I am on the Katelist (KWFC), and someone had mentioned this
list a
while back, and I just thought I'd check this list out and see how it
is, and
of course, to hopefully understand HC as much as I can, the story
fasinates
me! Well, I just wanted to say "HI"!
Angie L. Daigrepont
Ald14hc@aol.com
Rouste@aol.com
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001 - Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de - four things I want you to know
002 - LuvleeNine@aol.com - Heavenly Creatures
003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - CBC Midday
004 - Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@ - Hi, seeing if this works...
005 - IrishEMT12@aol.com - HC List Q ??
006 - Shania610@aol.com - Re: Heavenly Creatures
007 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Heavenly Creatures
008 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: four things I want you to know
009 - FLiekefett@t-online.de (F - Re: HC List Q ??
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From: Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de (Bettina.Hahn)
Subject: four things I want you to know
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:32:30 +0200
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1st: Welcome Angie!
2nd: I showed HC to a friend yesterday, and he seemed to like it, but
now he thinks Iīm crazy ( I fear) because itīs my favorite movie...
does this sound familiar to anyone of you ? ;c) anyway I like him very
much and I think heīs clever enough to understand what itīs about...
3rd: I thought about the thing with "...every man is a fool...". There
are so many boys on this list, and they are no fools in my eyes. But
do you think boys have problems to understand these Heavenly
Creatures? I really thought about it, and I think it doesnīt matter.
Ah! I have an idea: Boys are fools and girls are silly, but WE are
Heavenly Creatures, and this has nothing to do with sexes.
4th: I soon will go to Australia for 5 weeks ( YYYEEEESSS!!!), so Iīll
unsubscribe for this time as well. Iīll leave in 2 weeks.
(to Frank: Wenn ich dir einen NZ-Cut mitbringen soll, sagīnoch mal
bescheid! Ich werde mich auf jeden Fall danach umsehen! )
So I hope you donīt mind my thoughts...
*hugs*
Betty
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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Heavenly Creatures
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:08:30 EDT
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Hello darling fellow Heavenly Creatures...
My name is Nasrin (Naz-reen), and i am a 20 year old female. I just
recently subscribed to this list, and couldn't be happier that i did
so. This
movie has captured a great part of me, and i was totally enthralled and
enraptured with the two young girls, Pauline Rieper-Parker and Juliet
Hulmes.
I have done a lot of research on the two girls, and found such
interesting
stuff. But, i was hoping that thru this mailing list, i would be able
to
share my thoughts on certain aspects of the movies, and hear yours in
return.
I would love to talk about this movie to anyone, whether it be thru the
mailing list, or if you would like to personally email me.
Also, i was wondering if anyone could assist me. I am looking for more
information on the girls, albeit a book, or a magazine article.
Anything that
can help me. If anyone knows of anything, please let me know. Also,
can
anyone tell me if Pauline's diaries were ever made public? And if so,
is it
possible to get a copy..
Again, my heavenly creatures..i wanted to introduce myself to all of
you,
and to encourage you to share your thoughts about this movie. It's
truly an
enchanted, haunting film.
With love,
Nasrin.
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: CBC Midday
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 98 09:55:06 -0400
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Hi gang!
I'm on my way to do the CBC Midday Broadcast. It is broadcast across
Canada at 12 Noon.
CBC is Canada's Public Broadcaster and National Network.
I'll be doing the roundtable segment entitled "Entertainment Week in
Review" as commentator. It's my second tryout for the spot. The series
goes into reruns for summer. Wether I'll become the regular will be
determined later. If I get the job it'll be after Labour Day.
Midday also reruns on Newsworld (CBC's all new channel) at 3pm.
Those wanting to see Midday from outside Canada can via RealPlayer on
the
CBC website at www.cbc.ca. Access the "On air" page.
E.Jean Guerin
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From: Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hi, seeing if this works...
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Hi,
I'm a totally crazy HC-fan, I've tried to join the HC Mailing List but
I don't know if this has worked... Let's see.
See you around
Isabelle.
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From: IrishEMT12@aol.com
Subject: HC List Q ??
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:43:19 EDT
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Just curious, I am not sure if anyone on this list, who has been on it
from
the beginning or near, knows how many people are subscribed to this
list ???
I know that since Titanic we have a lot more, because some realized
what a
great actress Kate is and some just realized that HC is her best fim to
date.
So basically, Jean, may know, approximatley how many are subscribed to
this
list ??? There has to be a lot.
Jennifer EMT-B
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From: Shania610@aol.com
Subject: Re: Heavenly Creatures
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:33:45 EDT
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In a message dated 7/3/98 8:19:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
LuvleeNine@aol.com
writes:
<< Nasrin. >>
Welcome aboard! I have found this list to be very friendly and helpful.
I love
the movie as well. (Thanks again, Kate for telling me about it =) ) The
only
book I have seen about it is "Parker and Hulme, A lesbians view," and of
course I forget the authors right now. It is a fairly good read though,
lots
of interesting facts. As for the movie, i would love to talk about any
and all
parts with anyone!! I never get tired of it.
more later!
Karen
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Heavenly Creatures
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:25:56 +1000 (EST)
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Welcome to the list =)))) Discuss away! =))
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: four things I want you to know
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:28:34 +1000 (EST)
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Hope you enjoy your trip 'down under'!
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: FLiekefett@t-online.de (Frank Liekefett)
Subject: Re: HC List Q ??
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 12:54:45 +0200
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References: <199807032345.QAA02807@lists1.best.com>
IrishEMT12@aol.com schrieb:
>
> Just curious, I am not sure if anyone on this list, who has been on
it from
> the beginning or near, knows how many people are subscribed to this
list ???
> ...
Here is an evaluation (sp) as of 98/04/07:
persons who sent a profile (sex, loc., age)
missing data
male: 13 out 21 unknown
name: 7
female: 27 out 32 unknown
sex: 10
total: 40 53 unknown
location: 18
unknown
age: 19
average age: 24
locations:
25 USA
7 Canada
4 Australia
2 England
15 other countries or country
Note that this is just the result of an inquiry. Maybe there are more
creatures
subscribed who didn't replied to that inquiry. On the other hand, some
people
have unsubscribed meanwhile. It should be possible to get the actual
number of
creatures subscribed through the list operator, shouldn't it? Any hint?
Frank
--
'... although we may not be alone in the universe, in our own separate
ways, on this planet, we are all...alone.'
(3x20: Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space')
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001 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - OT: Hello New Creatures
002 - Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis - New Member
003 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: New Member
004 - Marloes Hautmann <m.hautm - changing addy's
005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: New Member
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: OT: Hello New Creatures
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT)
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Just a welcome to Nasrin and Isabelle :)))
Regards,
Jane
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From: Babcock <topgun@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: New Member
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 12:02:18 -0700
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Hello my name is Courtney Babcock and I just joined this list. I am
also a
member of the KateWinslet list. I am 17 and originally from Reading
England
but just moved to Canada. HC is my favourite movie besides Grease &
Titanic.
I became interested in this film after my cousin told me about it, she
worked on the set. I saw it in the theatres and was so amazed
afterwards, I
couldn't get it out of my mind. Anyways, I love this film and am looking
forward to discussing it with everyone. Oh and does everyone know about
Mel
Linskys new movie? I'll go find the web addy and send it today
cheers
courtney
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Welcome hehehe! Youll love it!
---Babcock wrote:
>
> Hello my name is Courtney Babcock and I just joined this list. I am
also a
> member of the KateWinslet list. I am 17 and originally from Reading
England
> but just moved to Canada. HC is my favourite movie besides Grease &
Titanic.
> I became interested in this film after my cousin told me about it, she
> worked on the set. I saw it in the theatres and was so amazed
afterwards, I
> couldn't get it out of my mind. Anyways, I love this film and am
looking
> forward to discussing it with everyone. Oh and does everyone know
about Mel
> Linskys new movie? I'll go find the web addy and send it today
>
> cheers
> courtney
>
>
>
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Hi all,
I have a question concerning this list....I'd like to receive these
messages not an other addy (dalyric@writeme.com), because I won't be
able to use this one when I'm abroad. I tried to subscribe to this list
on another addy, but somehow it didn't work...
Does anyone know if it can be changed easily?
Thanx,
Marloes (aka lyric)
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Darkness prevail against the light?'
Hayyim Nahman Bialik
At Day's End, Kol Kitvey Bialik (Tel Aviv: Dvir, 1939)
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Babcock wrote:
>I became interested in this film after my cousin told me about it, she
>worked on the set
Hi Courtney and welcome to the list.
Who's your cousin?
What did she do on the film?
Is there a chance I met her?
E.Jean Guerin
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001 - jlinc@shaysnet.com - Parker & Hulme books
002 - Marloes Hautmann <m.hautm - help
003 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - OT: Melanie smoking
004 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - Japanese Video Cover
005 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - press kit
006 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: four things I want you to know
007 - Marloes Hautmann <dalyric - Re: OT: Melanie smoking
008 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: press kit
009 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: press kit
010 - Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@ - Where is P Jackson's site ?
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From: jlinc@shaysnet.com
Subject: Parker & Hulme books
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 00:58:42 -0700
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Hello Everyone!
I know this is old news but I am just getting around to ordering some
books off of the web and am forgetting titles! Could anyone help me, I
know there were at least two titles previously discussed.
Parker & Hulme A Lesbian Viewpoint (this is from memory and I do not
think it's right)
Christchurch Murder?
Well as you can see I need some help, please re-fresh my memory!
Thanks,
Neca
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help
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: OT: Melanie smoking
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 05:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
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Hello Creatures,
Not sure if this has been brought up before but does Melanie smoke. In
an image at:
http://www.reflection.org/images/hc/hcpx-017.jpg
there is her and Kate and others.. and Kate is smoking and so is
Melanie. Was this a peer pressure 'try some' thing or is she a regular
smoker?
Regards,
Jane
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: Japanese Video Cover
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 05:52:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Dear Creatures,
I think the Japanese Video Cover of HC, found at:
http://www.reflection.org/images/hc/hcpx-061.jpg
doesn't represent the film as it is. The thing which got me was the
black and white images of Pauline and Juliet. Makes it seem so cutting
and rigid, not like the wonderful colors of the film itself.
I just had to write to express my views. Perhaps others feel the same
way, or the opposite.
Regards,
Jane
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: press kit
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:11:18 GMT
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Just wondering, is there anybody on this list who actually has the HC
press kit? Jean maybe? I'd love to see some scans of the stills and
bio sheets and production notes etc.
Somebody offered me one a while ago, but it was without the stills.
Cheers,
jeroen.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: four things I want you to know
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:11:18 GMT
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On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:32:30 +0200, Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de
(Bettina.Hahn) wrote:
>3rd: I thought about the thing with "...every man is a fool...".
There=20
>are so many boys on this list, and they are no fools in my eyes. But=20
>do you think boys have problems to understand these Heavenly=20
>Creatures? I really thought about it, and I think it doesn=B4t matter.
I tend to think so too, although apart from the people on this list i
don't know any men in real life who love HC as much as i do. But i do
know one girl who really likes it. Oh well.
I also feel that women in general have a better taste in films than
men. And i don't mean the cliche that men only like stupid summer
action flicks while women go for romantic drama's etc, it's just that
most men i know wouldn't recognize a good film even if their life
depended on it.
>Ah! I have an idea: Boys are fools and girls are silly, but WE are=20
>Heavenly Creatures, and this has nothing to do with sexes.
Right on!
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All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: Marloes Hautmann <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Melanie smoking
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:28:43 +0000
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In a report dated the 23th of August 1997, from Mark Tapio Kines,
director of "Foreign Correspondents", is said:
"She admits to being a "social smoker," but is attempting to quit and in
fact did not take one puff of cigarette while she was in Los Angeles. So
for all I know, she has totally broken the habit."
Nice detail: She is, however, incredibly addicted to iced mochas.
Of course this is a pretty old interview, if anyone has more updated
news, please post! (-:
Take care,
lyric
--
"The night is my favorite day, I love the silence so"
- Emily Dickinson
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: press kit
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 98 11:09:17 -0400
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Jeroen wrote:
>actually has the HC
>press kit? Jean maybe?
I got what Alliance (HC's distrib in Canada) had which was a very
skimpy
press kit. All the photos were the same as on the Miramax site and are
already on Bran Woodworths' site.
It wasn't one of those nice big press kits like they had for other
films.
I'm sure there was a bigger kit in the US.
(:^)]
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From: Kate McFarland <winslet311@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: press kit
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
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I know you guys are going to think I am dumb but what is the HC press
kit? I have been hearing about it but It took me this long to ask.Sorry.
Love
Kate
X
---Jeroen wrote:
>
> Just wondering, is there anybody on this list who actually has the HC
> press kit? Jean maybe? I'd love to see some scans of the stills and
> bio sheets and production notes etc.
>
> Somebody offered me one a while ago, but it was without the stills.
>
> Cheers,
>
> jeroen.
>
> --
> Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
> All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
> It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
>
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From: Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Where is P Jackson's site ?
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:34:57 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi fellow HC-fans,
I am looking for the official Peter Jackson site. You know, 'the
bastards have landed'. It's been relocated and I can't find it!
Horrid. Thanks to anyone that can help me.
Isabelle.
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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: press kit
002 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: press kit
003 - FLiekefett@t-online.de (F - Re: Parker & Hulme books
004 - IrishEMT12@aol.com - Re: OT: Melanie smoking
005 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - matilda
006 - lindsay.jenkins@hobsons.c - Re: OT: Melanie smoking
007 - adam abrams <adamabr@heli - Re: Press Kit
008 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Press Kit
009 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: matilda
010 - Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@ - Has anyone read Anne Perry ?
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: press kit
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 98 13:16:39 -0400
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Kate McFarland wrote:
>what is the HC press
>kit?
A press kit is what is sent to journalists by the distributor shortly
before a film's release. It usually contains background info,cast and
crew bios, a synopsis and complete credits as well as photos and
graphic
material. You might say it's the notes from which a journalist can
weave
his review or article.
Sometimes these presskits consist of a bunch of photocopied sheets,
sometimes they are lavish folders with gadgets and trinkets included.
(:^)]
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: press kit
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:43:02 GMT
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On Mon, 6 Jul 98 13:16:39 -0400, "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
wrote:
>Sometimes these presskits consist of a bunch of photocopied sheets,=20
>sometimes they are lavish folders with gadgets and trinkets
included.=20
Yeah. I love my GRAND CANYON kit, it's beautiful.
Btw, one thing i love about dvd is that they sometimes include all the
bios and production notes that were originally in the press kit in the
menu of the disc. Especially warner, their SECRET GARDEN and A LITTLE
PRINCESS discs have lots of cool info that isn't on the laserdisc.
--
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All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: FLiekefett@t-online.de (Frank Liekefett)
Subject: Re: Parker & Hulme books
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:54:23 +0200
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Hello,
jlinc@shaysnet.com schrieb:
>
> Hello Everyone!
>
> I know this is old news but I am just getting around to ordering some
> books off of the web and am forgetting titles! Could anyone help me,
I
> know there were at least two titles previously discussed.
Here is one title I picked up somewhere in the internet (does anyone
know
anything about this book?):
Category: Psychotherapy and Literature
MARTIN Jay, USA: "Heavenly Creatures": Creativity and the Return of the
Repressed in the Novels of Anne Perry (formerly know as Juliet Hulme)
And of course:
Parker & Hulme: a lesbian view
by Julie Glamuzina and Alison J. Laurie
ISBN 1-56341-065-6 (paper, 214 pages, $12,95)
ISBN 1-56341-066-4 (cloth)
Frank
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Subject: Re: OT: Melanie smoking
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:30:13 EDT
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I do not know about Melanie for sure. I do know Kate is pretty mich a
chain
smoker, and maybe during the filming of HC, Melanie decided to take up
the
habit in comaraderie. she was only like 15 at the time, correct ??
Anyway,
smoking is much more common and acceptbale in Europe, especially France
and
England. I have noticed. In Japan as well. Not sure why. But if you
look
at the mortality rate for these countries you will see that men do not
live
very long, compared to males in the US. I think in Japan it is like 65
is the
mean mortality rate for males. In the usa it is 79 for males, so you
can see
the difference.
Not sure where evryone on this list lives, but here in California,
smoking is
looked down apon. You cannot smoke anywhere in a public buliding, and
that
includes Bars and Clubs. The only places you can smoke if you do, is
in your
own house, or outside. If a bar has an outdoor area, then you can
there, but
if not, you have to make trips outdoors to do so. I like this alot
because I
have always loathed smoking, and found it rude for people to do in your
face.
Where I am from, New Jersey, so many people smoke. They are just
starting to
propose public indoor smoking bans. Not like here though in
Califronia. It
is great. So the fact that Melanie did not light up once in CA, may
have been
due to the fact that there really is no where to do so.
If may sound odd, but it is enforced. They will raid bars now, not
just for
underage drinkers, but also for smokers, and it is not something that is
hideable. If it even smells like smoke (as if you have ever been to a
bar,
you can see the haxe above) they will fine the owner of the place and
if they
catch a person smoking they will get like a $100.00 ticket. And I
think it
shows up as something on your DMV record. Not too sure.
Anyway, sorry to babble.
Jennifer EMT-B
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Subject: matilda
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I was watching the quite charming film MATILDA last weekend, and the
scene where the headmistress says 'SIT' and all the children sit down
was frightfully similar to the opening scene of HC.
That woman should have been the gym teacher in HC, haha. She was
great.
And i don't know, but the whole film looked very pj-ish to me.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: lindsay.jenkins@hobsons.co.uk (Lindsay Jenkins)
Subject: Re: OT: Melanie smoking
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:14:43 +0100
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Anyway,
smoking is much more common and acceptbale in Europe, especially France
and
England.
---
I live in England and I wouldn't say it is *acceptable*, people are very
aware of the dangers, but it is considered acceptable to smoke in a
pub.
Most people are pretty considerate and ask non-smokers if they mind them
smoking. Personally I am a non-smoker, but if others want to
smoke,that's
up to them. Nobody would dream of smoking round children or if
somebody
else is eating.
Lindsay
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From: adam abrams <adamabr@helix.net>
Subject: Re: Press Kit
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:29:05 -0700 (PDT)
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>I got what Alliance (HC's distrib in Canada) had which was a very
skimpy
>press kit. All the photos were the same as on the Miramax site and are
>already on Bran Woodworths' site.
>
>It wasn't one of those nice big press kits like they had for other
films.
>I'm sure there was a bigger kit in the US.
For the record (and the benefit of the Creature who asked), the press
kit
is a bunch of promotional material and information - bios, a synopsis of
the film, publicity photos, etc. - provided free to members of the
media.
The bigger the promo budget, the more lavish the kit (I assume!).
It was fun getting my hands on it - it was the first time I'd tried. I
only
knew they existed because I'd worked at a weekly paper in Berkeley and
thumbed through the pile of press kits their reviewer had on his shelf.
So
I made a bunch of calls, eventually speaking to the Miramax office in
New
York (yes, I was determined!). I was ready with a convincing cover story
about how I was writing an article about the film... but they never
asked
me for any info except my address! (*whew*)
The really nifty part was, they couriered it to me by next-day air. I
went
down to the DHL office at the airport the next day and picked it up!
(These
movie people don't mess around...)
I actually got two - one from Alliance (Canadian distributor) and one
from
Miramax. Both had the same photocopied information, but the big-time New
York one also had b&w prints, and three colour slides!
If you're wondering what the press kit reads like look at Section 5 of
my
HC site, the "HC Database". Everything except for 5.8, 5.9 and the
Jackson
interview basically came from the press kit.
Adam
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With all the Press Kit talk, I just wonder what the TITANIC one looked
like =))
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: matilda
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:57:50 +1000 (EST)
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On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Jeroen wrote:
> I was watching the quite charming film MATILDA last weekend, and the
> scene where the headmistress says 'SIT' and all the children sit down
> was frightfully similar to the opening scene of HC.
>
> That woman should have been the gym teacher in HC, haha. She was
> great.
>
> And i don't know, but the whole film looked very pj-ish to me.
Probably nothing like it at all, but reading the above reminded meeh of
the headmistress with her 'charges' in Picnic At Hanging Rock, as well
as
Anne of Green Gables II (at the all girls' school)
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
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From: Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Has anyone read Anne Perry ?
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi Heavenly ones,
Just 'cos I've read her first two novels, The Cater Street Hangman and
Callander Square, but I can find absolutely NO ONE to talk to (about
them, that is). Whci is annoying 'cos I think we could have the most
interesting conversations. So, to those who are interested... (oh, and
to those who have been 'about to read Anne Perry's books' for like six
months: JUST DO IT !!! Jesus, you have to be told everything - just
feeling a little bitter about people who are less obsessive in their
fanhood than I am)
See you around!
Isabelle.
P.S. Oh, and if anyone can get me the URL for the official Peter
Jackson site...
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001 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Has anyone read Anne Perry ?
002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: OT: Melanie smoking
003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Has anyone read Tolkien ?
004 - Christy Price <christy@ty - Anne Perry
005 - Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de - Anne Perry/ Tom Pitt
006 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: Parker & Hulme books
007 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - ML: Ever After trailer
008 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - OT - Nero?
009 - Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@ - Who did Paul's sketches ?
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:54:53 +0200
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Hi Isabelle & everyone else who's interested,
I promise to find and read Anne Perry's books as soon as I finished
'Lord of the Rings' for the 4th time, okay? (another obsession, won't
take long) *smiles*
Looking forward to the discussions!
Marloes
--
'Are you afraid to watch the night's
Darkness prevail against the light?'
Hayyim Nahman Bialik
At Day's End, Kol Kitvey Bialik (Tel Aviv: Dvir, 1939)
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: OT: Melanie smoking
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 11:46:31 -0400
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IrishEMT12@aol.com wrote:
>I do not know about Melanie for sure. I do know Kate is pretty mich a
chain
>smoker, and maybe during the filming of HC, Melanie decided to take up
the
>habit in comaraderie.
I don't recall Mel smoking on the set of HC but Kate was definitely a
puffer. I'm a social smoker myself. I can go for weeks without smoking
but on a film set, I live on cigarettes and coffee. Must have something
to do with having to stay alert with a lot of time to kill.
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Has anyone read Tolkien ?
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 11:56:06 -0400
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lyric wrote:
>I promise to find and read Anne Perry's books as soon as I finished
>'Lord of the Rings' for the 4th time, okay? (another obsession, won't
>take long) *smiles*
You must be in Seventh Heaven! PJ is reported to be working on "The
Hobbit".
(:^)]
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From: Christy Price <christy@tyler.net>
Subject: Anne Perry
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:54:37 -0700
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I have read one of Anne Perry's books (The Hydes Park Headsman) but, =
unfortunately I have been able to get to a book store, else I would
have =
her whole collection!! hehehe..
I talked to someone (i forget who) who said they couldn't really get =
into them, but the one I read I love. I love Victorian style
mysteries, =
course I just love mysteries period!--Christy
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From: Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de (Bettina.Hahn)
Subject: Anne Perry/ Tom Pitt
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:33:14 +0200
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Hi, I read a book of her recently and though I donīt like crime
stories very much ( or letīs say I didnīt before) I loved it. Sheīs a
good writer and when I asked the woman at the bookstore for anne she
even knew her! I didnīt know sheīs so popular...
It was the story of a joung welthy man, found raped and murdered, and
his family who blamed his (as they thought) homosexual teacher. I like
Mr. Pittīs wife Charlotte, she always tries to do her husbandīs job.
Well, at least I think Anne Perry is an excellent writer, I also would
have liked her book if I hadnīt known her past.
Just my opinion on that.
*hugs*
Betty
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Re: Parker & Hulme books
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:58:59 -0300
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> Here is one title I picked up somewhere in the internet (does anyone
know
> anything about this book?):
> Category: Psychotherapy and Literature
> MARTIN Jay, USA: "Heavenly Creatures": Creativity and the Return of
the
> Repressed in the Novels of Anne Perry (formerly know as Juliet Hulme)
It seems that this is not a book, unfortunately. It was a presentation
at the 1st. Congress of the World Council for Psychotherapy in 1996, I
think, so it may not be available anymore. Someone can try to contact
the author, perhaps...
The page mentioning the presentation is
http://www.ping.at/social-development/wcp/sub2.htm
:*
Juliana.
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: ML: Ever After trailer
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:32:07 -0300
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Have you downloaded the Ever Afer trailer yet? Not too much of Mel on
it, but at least it's a taste for all those who couldn't watch the
trailer on the theaters.
You can see her knitting and I'm sure she's behind Anjelica Huston when
her name is displayed, at the end of the trailer. Check it out:
http://www.hollywood.com/movies/everafter/trailer/index.html
:*
Juliana.
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: OT - Nero?
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:26:31 -0300
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Sorry to write this to the entire list, but I got this message a while
ago and couldn't help noticing it.
> Ps. Eileene, there's just been published a new book about Nero by Rudi
> Thomsen, the bad news is that it's in Danish.
I'm working on an MA about Nero's Principate and this message interests
me a lot. Please contact me about it. Reply off-list, of course.
Thanks!
:*
Juliana.
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Subject: Who did Paul's sketches ?
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I was wondering who did the sketches in Paul's bedroom, like Deborah,
and Deborah, and Deborah again, and Deborah, and Deborah with
Pauline... Maybe Jean Guérin knows. I'd be very grateful for an answer.
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
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001 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: Press Kit
002 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - ot: picnic at hanging rock
003 - "Eileene Coscolluela" <ec - Re: OT - Nero?
004 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Anne Perry
005 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Has anyone read Tolkien ?
006 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: ot: picnic at hanging rock |
HEAVEN ON EARTH
007 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Anne Perry
008 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Who did Paul's sketches ?
009 - "Michael Jaski" <honestjo - Anne Perry & Books In General
010 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Press Kit
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:33:19 GMT
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On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 01:29:05 -0700 (PDT), adam abrams
<adamabr@helix.net> wrote:
>I actually got two - one from Alliance (Canadian distributor) and one =
from
>Miramax. Both had the same photocopied information, but the big-time
New
>York one also had b&w prints, and three colour slides!
Adam, what you forgot to say is that you're selling them. Now, name a
price, ANY price!
Damn i envy you :)
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: ot: picnic at hanging rock
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:33:18 GMT
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On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:57:50 +1000 (EST), Aileen Dayao
<n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote:
>Probably nothing like it at all, but reading the above reminded meeh of
>the headmistress with her 'charges' in Picnic At Hanging Rock, as well
=
as
>Anne of Green Gables II (at the all girls' school)
I'm sure the fans of PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK already know this, but
this wonderful film will be re-released in the theaters this year, and
criterion will release it on laserdisc. So no need to get that
expensive japanese import anymore. There is also a rumour that the
disc will feature a commentary track by peter weir. No news of a dvd
though :(
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: "Eileene Coscolluela" <ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Nero?
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:27:30 -0400
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Wowah!
> Sorry to write this to the entire list, but I got this message a while
> ago and couldn't help noticing it.
>> Ps. Eileene, there's just been published a new book about Nero by
Rudi
>> Thomsen, the bad news is that it's in Danish.
I didn't see this original post... my email has been kind of flakey
for a while.
Anyway, regarding Nero, it sounds all very interesting to me too
and
I'm sad to hear that it is in Danish (darn!). Perhaps there will be an
English translation made of it?
I'm currently reading a fictional book on the life of Cleopatra (a
la
I, Claudius) and it's been very good so far.
Eileene
ecoscolluela@kinderhook.com
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:46:21 +0200
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Out of total frustration: They don't sell a single Anne Perry book in
this damn little village I live in!! Five bookstores and 2 libraries...
AAARCCHH!!
I'm gonna check a bigger city tomorrow...and else there will be nothing
left to do for me then order them from overseas...
lyric
--
Laugh, laugh at all the dreams
I the dreamer say to you
That I believe in man
Because I still believe in you
- "Credo" by Saul Tchernichovsky
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Has anyone read Tolkien ?
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:44:59 +0200
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E. Jean Guerin wrote:
> You must be in Seventh Heaven! PJ is reported to be working on "The
> Hobbit".
Really??? GREAT!! I LOVE Tolkien!!! And if anyone, I think that PJ is
defenately the one to act out this wonderful world of Middle-Earth!
Lyric
--
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them
One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
- "Lord of the Rings" by JRR Tolkien
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: ot: picnic at hanging rock | HEAVEN ON EARTH
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:44:13 +1000 (EST)
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> >Probably nothing like it at all, but reading the above reminded meeh
of
> >the headmistress with her 'charges' in Picnic At Hanging Rock, as
well as
> >Anne of Green Gables II (at the all girls' school)
>
> I'm sure the fans of PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK already know this, but
> this wonderful film will be re-released in the theaters this year, and
> criterion will release it on laserdisc. So no need to get that
> expensive japanese import anymore. There is also a rumour that the
> disc will feature a commentary track by peter weir. No news of a dvd
> though :(
I didn't know about this - then again I hardly know anything =))
BTW- I just thought of another movie which made an impact on meeh... an
80s Canadian movie called HEAVEN ON EARTH chronicling the different
lives of about five orphans/displaced kids who are adopted by Candian
adults.... has anyone else watched this?
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:55:18 +1000 (EST)
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On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, lyric wrote:
> Out of total frustration: They don't sell a single Anne Perry book in
> this damn little village I live in!! Five bookstores and 2
libraries...
> AAARCCHH!!
> I'm gonna check a bigger city tomorrow...and else there will be
nothing
> left to do for me then order them from overseas...
There's quite a few Anne Perry books been sold at one of the UBS I go
to... I haven't tried any of hers yet, none of them have interested meeh
really.... altho I have been picking up a few suspense books here and
there...
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Who did Paul's sketches ?
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 10:31:20 -0400
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Isabelle Laclos wrote:
>I was wondering who did the sketches in Paul's bedroom, like Deborah,
>and Deborah, and Deborah again, and Deborah, and Deborah with
>Pauline... Maybe Jean Gu=C8rin knows. I'd be very grateful for an
answer.
Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to that one.
(:^)]
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From: "Michael Jaski" <honestjon0@mailexcite.com>
Subject: Anne Perry & Books In General
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:25:35 -0700
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Hello all!
I'm going to make what may seem to be an archaic suggestion here, but I
would check your local library for Anne Perry books. Mine has several
- along with music and videos...which helps save my cash for the hard
to find stuff...or the things I want *now* :)
Michael
Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:49:54 +0200
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> I'm going to make what may seem to be an archaic suggestion here, but
I would check your local library for Anne Perry books. Mine has
several - along with music and videos...which helps save my cash for
the hard to find stuff...or the things I want *now* :)
Already tried that one, no Anne Perry books in our village (2 libraries)
and none in the ones that are close (4 libraries)....*sigh*
lyric
--
Laugh, laugh at all the dreams
I the dreamer say to you
That I believe in man
Because I still believe in you
- "Credo" by Saul Tchernichovsky
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001 - LuvleeNine@aol.com - Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
002 - "B & B Library APCO" <LIB - Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
-Reply
003 - FLiekefett@t-online.de (F - Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
004 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
006 - LuvleeNine@aol.com - Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
007 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: Anne Perry
008 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - info about HE
009 - Britland7@aol.com - The Mario Lanza Story
010 - Britland7@aol.com - Sorry
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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:37:07 EDT
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Hello, darling Creatures..
I just recently went out and bought the whole collection of Anne Perry
books, but i so don't want to read them out of order. Could someone
please
tell me what order they come in, and where i should start?
Merci,
Nasrin.
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From: "B & B Library APCO" <LIB-APCO@balch.com>
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:45:29 -0500
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I've got a couple on Anne Perry books that I'm willing part with if =
anyone's interested. =20
Please email me privately so as not to clog the list. =20
cheers,=20
pam
*pbv.a*
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From: FLiekefett@t-online.de (Frank Liekefett)
Subject: Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:25:37 +0200
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LuvleeNine@aol.com schrieb:
>
> Hello, darling Creatures..
>
> I just recently went out and bought the whole collection of Anne
Perry
> books, but i so don't want to read them out of order. Could someone
please
> tell me what order they come in, and where i should start?
>
> Merci,
> Nasrin.
Hi Nasrin,
isn't it clear from the copyright-year printed in the beginning of a
book?
Anyway, here is a related section of FAQ 2.0:
The "Pitt" Series:
The Cater Street Hangman, St. Martin's Press, 1979.
[no dedication]
Callander Square, St. Martin's Press, 1980.
[no dedication] [se]
Paragon Walk, St. Martin's Press, 1981.
[for my mother]
Resurrection Row, St. Martin's Press, 1981.
[To MEG for all her help.]
Rutland Place, St. Martin's Press, 1983.
[Dedicated with love to my father, with friendship to Judy,
with gratitude to the city of Toronto.]
(note: Dr HR Hulme celebrated his 75th birthday in 1983. jp)
(note: In a recent interview ['95/03] with Canada AM Anne
Perry talked about the time she lived in Toronto for 3-4
months. It was in Toronto that she first saw a "real live
person" buy one of her books, which was very exciting for
her. She was browsing the "The Sleuth of Baker Street" book-
store when someone came in and purchased one of her books.
This could give some insights as to why she made a
dedication to the city of Toronto! ms)
Bluegate Fields, St. Martin's Press, 1984.
[...dedicated to the members of the John Howard Society, who
practice their founder's belief in the right to dignity of
all people.] [se]
(note: The John Howard Society works with ex-criminals. se).
Death in the Devil's Acre, St. Martin's Press, 1985.
[For Bella and Aunt Issy.]
Cardington Crescent, St. Martin's Press, 1987.
[To Ed and Peggy Wells, with thanks for their love and faith
through the years.]
(note: Mrs. Digby, a housekeeper, is an important character
in this novel. See above. lfr)
Silence in Hanover Close, St. Martin's Press, 1988.
[Dedicated to Aunt Ina who was part of the inspiration for
Great-aunt Vespasia.]
(note: JMH was to have been sent to stay with Aunt Ina in
South Africa, according to "Heavenly Creatures." sb)
Bethlehem Road, St. Martin's Press, 1990.
[To Ruth, for her many gifts to me.]
(note: The dedication to Ruth may be speaking of the
biblical Ruth. Why? Well, there is a road to Bethlehem
mentioned in the book of Ruth. Also, the two main characters
in the book of Ruth are Ruth and Naomi, who are daughter and
mother-in-law respectively. The same goes for "Bethlehem
Road." Also, much of the religious discussion in Bethlehem
Road may actually be about the Mormon Church. ms)
Highgate Rise, Fawcett Books, 1991?
[To Meg MacDonald, for her friendship and her unfailing
faith in me, and to Meg Davis, for her friendship and her
guidance and work.] [se]
(note: Meg Davis is Anne Perry's agent in London. She
fielded the initial enquiries from NZ reporter Lin Ferguson
about Anne Perry's former identity as JMH. jp)
Belgrave Square, Fawcett Books, 1992.
[To my friend, Cathy Ross.]
Farriers' Lane, Fawcett Books, 1993?
[For my mother.] [se]
(note: HM Perry celebrated her 80th birthday in 1992. jp)
The Hyde Park Headsman, Fawcett Books, 1994.
[To Leona Nevler, with thanks.]
Traitors Gate, Fawcett Columbine, 1995.
[To Donald Maass--with thanks.]
The "Monk" Series:
The Face of a Stranger, St. Martin's Press, 1990.
[To Christine M.J. Lynch, in gratitude for old friendships
renewed.]
A Dangerous Mourning, Ivy Books, 1991.
[To John and Mary MacKenzie, and my friends in Alness, for
making me welcome.]
Defend and Betray, Ivy Books, 1992.
[to my father]
(note: Dr HR Hulme died in January, 1991. Anne Perry told me
95/03/29 that the character of Oliver Rathbone's father, who
first appears in "Defend and Betray," was patterned
specifically after Dr HR Hulme. jp)
A Sudden, Fearful Death, Fawcett Books, 1993.
[To Elizabeth Sweeney, for her friendship, and patience in
reading my handwriting.]
Sins of the Wolf, Fawcett Books, 1994.
[To Kimberley Hovey for her help and friendship.] [se]
Hope you will enjoy your "reading-marathon" (all a question of time, I
guess),
Frank
--
'Actually, Mr. Rieper... its a novel, and well be sending it to New
York.
Thats where all the big publishing houses are based.'
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Subject: Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
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Frank -- thanks for the insight into the dedications in Anne Perry's
books.... think I'll be taking another look at those books at the
UBS....
Anyone have any suggestions on which I should try first?....
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry & Books In General
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 23:38:53 -0400
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LuvleeNine@aol.com wrote:
>I just recently went out and bought the whole collection of Anne Perry
>books, but i so don't want to read them out of order. Could someone
please
>tell me what order they come in, and where i should start?
Have you tried looking at the copyright dates?
The publication history is usually included with the title pages.
That's usally how I sort it out.
(:^)]
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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:57:30 EDT
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In a message dated 7/8/98 8:54:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
orson@videotron.ca writes:
<<
>I just recently went out and bought the whole collection of Anne Perry
>books, but i so don't want to read them out of order. Could someone
please
>tell me what order they come in, and where i should start?
Have you tried looking at the copyright dates?
The publication history is usually included with the title pages.
That's usally how I sort it out.
>>
Can i take a moment to apologize for my utter stupidity. Ugh. I
don't
realize what an airhead i sound like at times. Sorry about that,
Creatures...i think i've been out of school too long. =)
Next time, i'll check the copyright dates. But thanks to all of you
who did
reply to this ridiculous question of mine.
Nasrin.
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Subject: Re: Anne Perry
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:57:12 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-08 09:50:32 EDT, you write:
<< Out of total frustration: They don't sell a single Anne Perry book in
this damn little village I live in!! Five bookstores and 2 libraries...
AAARCCHH!!
I'm gonna check a bigger city tomorrow...and else there will be nothing
left to do for me then order them from overseas...
>>
i went into downtown boston where there was a barnes and nobles and i
was
going thorugh all the books lookin 4 anne perry and when i found em i
saw that
a lot of the books were autographed by anne!! it was pretty cool!! just
thought id tell u all bout it
~joanna~
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For anyone who's interested in some information about Mario Lanza,
I found this text in a cd made in Portugal: Mario Lanza, Live at the
Hollywood Bowl, Historical Recordings (1947 & 1951)
I typed like a maniac and I sure hope no other idiot did this before
me...can't bare the thought that you already read this somewhere..*grin*
Well, here it goes!!!!
~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~
Mario Lanza (1921-1959)
Rarely in the history of the art of singing as many contradictory
stories have been written as those about Mario Lanza.
In the 1951 Time magazine edition of August 6th (my note: can anyone
trace this?), an article about Lanza had been published in connection
with his film-career.
Said 'Time': In the United States Lanza is the despair of the critic,
who think that the goal of a great singer should be the Metropolitan
Opera of New York instead of Metro Goldwyn Mayer.
Then there is the Time statement, that at the age of 30 (consequently in
1951) Lanza was the first opera-tenor who became a thoroughbred
moviestar and the only classical artist in the annals of RCA-Victor of
whom in a one-year period over one million records had been sold
concerning just one song (Be My Love).
The American critics expressed the opinion that Lanza sang too loud and
that, especially with singing the upper notes, he was overstraining his
voice which was expected to be spent in 2 or 3 years.
To those critics Lanza responded: 'Can I help it, God has given me such
a great voice?'
Once, Tito Schipa said to Mario Lanza: 'Mario, you own the greatest
young man's voice I have ever heard; be careful with it'.
By the time Mario's singing-teacher (he was then 19), Irene Williams,
introdued him to the famous conductor Serge Koussevitsky; the man
exclaimed: 'That is a great voice!'
In spite of the remarks of Lanza's opponents we may thus assume that
Lanza should have had a proper, or even better expressed 'a great
volume'.
Koussevitsky took charge of the young singer for the time he conducted
the Berkshire School and Music Festival. For some weeks he studied under
the conductor's personal management, in his continuous presence and
under his supervision. Koussevitsky's faith in his discovery was so
great, that Mario Lanza made his first official appearance during the
Festival's opening, in the summer of 1942.
Critics from New york were among the auditors, and they were unanimous
in their reviews: 'a new star has appeared!' Some of them added: 'This
happens to be the greatest voice since Caruso!'
But also, all of them agreed that the young man needed training and
experience.
First however, he was enlisted until 1945. During his service-term he
met several important people from the world of the theatre and on
occasions performed for his combat-unit.
Among them were Irene Manning and Walter Pidgeon, both of them insisting
he should carry on his study. A next step was a contract with the Victor
compagny, next to engagements for the Columbia Concerts in 1945/46
In 1947 Mario Lanza went to Hollywood and sang in the famous 'Bowl',
which is a large, bowl-shaped space, in which concerts and similar
events can be held or such a numerous auditorium, no hall in the world
can contain it. His succes was exceptional. After his aria from Andrea
Chenier there was a burst of applause, which continued for twelve
minutes.
Among the public was Ida R. Koverman of Metro Goldwyn Mayer Studios. She
visited the singer and made an appointment for a meeting in the studio,
the next day. To his surprise he met a lot of prominent people from the
movie-world. He started to put on some of his recordings, made in favour
of his family and friends. Thereafter he started to sing 'live'. It
resulted in a signature under a contract for seven years.
It is a fairytale that the Bowl-concert would have been one of his first
public appearances. He had already given 200 concerts, and before he
acted in his first movie Mario Lanza appeared in about 90 concerts.
his film contract clearly granted him the freedom of appearance in a
self-selected opera and concert during six months of the year.
In 1948 he made his debut with the opera in Madame Butterfly with the
New Orleans Opera Association. It happened to remain his only experience
on stage within the field of opera.
After a second performance in the Hollywood Bowl, his film-debut
followed in That Midnight Kiss with Kathryn Grayson and Ethel Barrymore.
Immediately after completing that first movie he left Hollywood for a
year on account of intensive concert-activities, with continuous
increasing success.
Further, he completed his second movie The Toast of New Orleans again
with Kathryn Grayson.
And then came the moment to fulfil his big dream, singing and acting he
title-role in The Great Caruso. Concerning Caruso, this is the boldest
piece of history-forgery on Hollywood's concience, but Mario Lanza
became world-famous with it. Lanza's opponents claimed Lanza owed his
fame to Enrico Caruso. However, Lanza's admirers stated that Caruso
again attracted the attention of the opera-lovers thanks to their idol.
In fact, the truth is that Mario Lanza's voice neither can nor should be
compared with Enrico Caruso's.
Then again a period of concerts, radio shows, gramophone-recordings,
followed by the shooting of Because You're Mine, his fourth movie.
Between the last two movies, Mario Lanza had a couple of
radio-broadcasts, of which one can hear some tracks on the enclosed
Compact Disc (7-20)
On some of the tracks you will hear Mario Lanza giving a spoken
introduction, and there are introductions by Bill Baldwin as well, who
was his usual companion in the series which ran from June until
September 1951. The songs diane, If and The rosary have never been
recorded in the studio: it is now available for the first time for a
larger public!
The question whether Mario Lanza was a great opera-singer or a singing
moviestar remains unanswered. In the movie-world two kinds of singers
exist:
A. Famous opera-singers who, after an established reputation or an
artistically mature background perform in one or more movies as well, or
who sometimes turn to film permanently. In this category we find
characters like Grace Moore, Lauritz Melchior, Leo Slezak, Mario
Cebotari, Enrico Caruso, Beniamino Gigli, Tito Schipa, Jan Kiepura,
Luciano Pavarotti, Maria Callas and even Nelson Eddy, who had already
sung opera for six years in Philadelphia before he had his film-debut in
1934.
B. The typical film-singers with 'microphone-voices' who have no
artistic background, and who will be promoted through
Hollywood-advertising, but who cannot lay even the least serious claim
to singing performance.
Only one of them was able to jump from film to the serious platform
after years of hard labour, namely Jeanette MacDonald. Others like
Deanne Durbin, Katherine Grayson, Howard Keel and Joseph Schmidt were
radio and film-singers explicitely, who never entered the opera-stage
and whose musical development can be expressed as rudimentary.
Mario Lanza is 'in between' these categories. Just once he sang a
complete opera, after which he had his film-debut whilst still studying
the art of singing against his teacher's advice.
During the recording of the film Serenade in 1956 he suffered voice
problems. He moved to Rome in 1956, performed two more Italian movies of
dubious quality despite the fact that his voice cracked down completely.
In the next years he had to cancel concerts continuously, and appeared
in public only rarely. On October 1959 he died in Rome, penniless.
For friend and foe, more than thirty years after his death, it has to be
clear that Mario Lanza takes a special place in the history of the
recording studio.
In spite of his short career he has proved to deserve his own place, and
yet time after time it seems that one never stops listening to Mario
Lanza's characteristic sound.
~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~
I hope no one minds that I didn't type the German translation, also in
the booklet. (-:
Take care
lyric
--
Laugh, laugh at all the dreams
I the dreamer say to you
That I believe in man
Because I still believe in you
- "Credo" by Saul Tchernichovsky
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From: Britland7@aol.com
Subject: The Mario Lanza Story
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:50:03 EDT
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Hello,
Sorry if this is old new, but I was trying to get a list of all of
Mario's
films, and I came across this musical. The show will be coming near me
in
october, for those of you interested in seeing it too, here's the
address
<A HREF="http://home.earthlink.net/~vicscape/lanza/">
" target=_blankhttp://home.earthlink.net/~vicscape@ibm.net</A>
Fenella
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:53:28 EDT
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I mixed up to 2 addresses I had written down, the correct Mario Lanza
story
page is at
<A HREF="http://home.earthlink.net/~vicscape/lanza/">
Http://home.earthlink.net/~vicscape/lanza/</A>
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001 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Clive Merrison
002 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Clive Merrison
003 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: Clive Merrison
004 - "Paul Bird" <birdp@mira.n - New "thrill kill" case &
discussion & A New Orson!?
005 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: New "thrill kill" case &
discussion & A New Orson!?
006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: New "thrill kill" case-
Lerner & Loeb
007 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re:A New Orson!?
008 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: New "thrill kill" case-
Lerner & Loeb
009 - Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.c - Anne Perry/HC ish reference
010 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Clive Merrison
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:20:43 -0300
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I finally watched "The English Patient" today and what a surprise it was
to find Clive Merrison on the cast credits at the end! None of the
"English Patient" fans here said anything about this, at least after I
joined the list... But I don't remember seeing him there, can anyone
tell me which character does he play?
I just know the name of the character, Fenelon-Barnes, but I can't
remember who it was. But I really don't want to see the movie again to
find out, I really didn't like it much...
:*
Juliana.
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Clive Merrison
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:38:52 +1000 (EST)
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please excuse my ignorance.. who's Clive Merrison? what else has he
appeared in?
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Re: Clive Merrison
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:08:37 -0300
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Aileen Dayao wrote:
>
> please excuse my ignorance.. who's Clive Merrison? what else has he
> appeared in?
>
a.k.a. Henry Hulme
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From: "Paul Bird" <birdp@mira.net>
Subject: New "thrill kill" case & discussion & A New Orson!?
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:57:32 +1000
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Hi all,
A recent disturbing attempted murder case here in Australia bears a
very =
slight similarity to the Parker/Hulme case:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/news/19196.asp
A point for discussion: HC (and much of the discussion on this list) =
focuses on the intense friendship of Paul & Juliet. We get the =
impression that it was the mutual delusion and "rationalisation" in
this =
friendship, in the face of the threat to separate them, that drove them
=
to kill Paul's mother.
In the Australian case above it appears they killed simply for fun.
How =
much was the "thrill factor" a part of the Parker/Hulme case? Paul =
speaks in her diaries of her anticipation of the killing (Juliet from =
all accounts seems to have been a less willing participant). I'd be =
interested to hear what the HC fanatics out there think. Of course =
we'll never really know, unless Hilary Nathan or Anne Perry speak out =
about the incident which seems unlikely (and understandable).
Jeroen, this might be a good opportunity for you to refer to NBK :-)
Cheers
Paul
P.S. Have you noticed this, Jean?
http://us.imdb.com/Title?Cradle+Will+Rock,+The+(1999)
Who's this Angus MacFadyen chap? Surely he can't be as hideous as you!
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A recent disturbing attempted murder case here in =
Australia=20
bears a very slight similarity to the Parker/Hulme case:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://news.ninemsn.com.au/news/19196.asp">http://news.ninemsn.co=
m.au/news/19196.asp</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A point for discussion: HC (and much of the =
discussion on this=20
list) focuses on the intense friendship of Paul & Juliet. We =
get the=20
impression that it was the mutual delusion and =
"rationalisation" in=20
this friendship, in the face of the threat to separate them, that drove
=
them to=20
kill Paul's mother.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In the Australian case above it appears they killed
=
simply for=20
fun. How much was the "thrill factor" a part of the =
Parker/Hulme=20
case? Paul speaks in her diaries of her anticipation of the =
killing=20
(Juliet from all accounts seems to have been a less willing =
participant). =20
I'd be interested to hear what the HC fanatics out there think.
Of =
course=20
we'll never really know, unless Hilary Nathan or Anne Perry speak out =
about the=20
incident which seems unlikely (and understandable).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jeroen, this might be a good opportunity for you to
=
refer to=20
NBK :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Paul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>P.S. Have you noticed this, Jean?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://us.imdb.com/Title?Cradle+Will+Rock,+The+(1999)">http://us.=
imdb.com/Title?Cradle+Will+Rock,+The+(1999)</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Who's this Angus MacFadyen =
chap? Surely he=20
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: New "thrill kill" case & discussion & A New Orson!?
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:50:05 +1000 (EST)
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> P.S. Have you noticed this, Jean?
>
> http://us.imdb.com/Title?Cradle+Will+Rock,+The+(1999)
>
> Who's this Angus MacFadyen chap? Surely he can't be as hideous as
you!
Just checked the other movies he's been in, and they include:
11. Braveheart (1995) .... Robert the Bruce
12. Liz: The Elizabeth Taylor Story (1995) (TV) .... Richard Burton
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: New "thrill kill" case- Lerner & Loeb
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 00:12:06 -0400
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Paul Bird wrote:
>How much was the "thrill factor" a part of the Parker/Hulme case?
That gas long been the subject of speculation as the P&H case was often
equated to the Lerner & Loeb case which is a straightforward "thrill
kill".
That case inspired a few movies. First was Alfred Hitchcock's ROPE.
Then
COMPULSION (starring Orson Welles) and more recently SWOON.
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re:A New Orson!?
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 00:24:15 -0400
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Paul Bird wrote:
>P.S. Have you noticed this, Jean?
>
>http://us.imdb.com/Title?Cradle+Will+Rock,+The+(1999)
>
>Who's this Angus MacFadyen chap?
First I ever heard of it. Then again, it's not like there's an Orson
Impersonators Convention where we go and swap trade secrets with
Vincent
D'Onofrio.
>Surely he can't be as hideous as you!
No one's more hideous than I.
Remember that I was cast to play Orson as seen through the eyes of two
girls who thought he was hideous. My being hideous probably had more to
do with it than my passing ressemblance to OW. This guy was probably
hired to play a more romantic Orson.
Either that or they got a real actor to play OW instead of some
French-Canadian ham.
(:^)]
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: New "thrill kill" case- Lerner & Loeb
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:36:43 +1000 (EST)
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please excuse my ignorance... Lerner & Loeb case?
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, E. Jean Guerin wrote:
> Paul Bird wrote:
>
> >How much was the "thrill factor" a part of the Parker/Hulme case?
>
> That gas long been the subject of speculation as the P&H case was
often
> equated to the Lerner & Loeb case which is a straightforward "thrill
> kill".
>
> That case inspired a few movies. First was Alfred Hitchcock's ROPE.
Then
> COMPULSION (starring Orson Welles) and more recently SWOON.
>
> (:^)]
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From: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
Subject: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:12:02 +0100
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Hiya Creatures!!
I was in a bookstore yesterday browsing through the Anne Perry books
and =
while I was kinda reading one in the shop, I came to a rather =
interesting sentence, I can't rememeber which book, Silent Cry(??) I =
think, but on p149 it was about methods of killing people and it was =
saying how the person would rather do it face to face by stabbing the =
victim or, this is the strange bit, hitting them over the head with =
something!!! Isn't that weird!!
Do any of you know if she often puts things that could be HC linked in =
them??
Gotta fly!!
make a wish for me,
love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
Gem*
"Only the best people fight against all obstacles in pursuit of =
happiness!"
JH, HC!!
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:28 +0100 (BST)
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On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Gem* wrote:
> Do any of you know if she [Anne Perry] often puts
> things that could be HC linked in them??
One of her novels - I'm too lazy to remember the title, something like
Defend and Betray - builds up to a catastrophic trial scene which begins
on 22 June. Hope I DON'T need to explain that date to anyone here. :)
The trial, by the way, reveals the moral and sexual corruption of the
Victorian upper classes. It's a very dark book, even for Perry.
Cheers,
Phil
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001 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Talking about "thrill kill"
002 - "B & B Library APCO" <LIB - Re: New "thrill kill" case-
Lerner & Loeb -Reply
003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re:LEOPOLD & Loeb- Oops!
004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
005 - "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@na - Re[2]: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Clive Merrison in English patient
007 - Juliana Bastos <jbastos@u - Re: New "thrill kill" case &
discussion (LONG)
008 - "Michael Jaski" <honestjo - French-Canadian ham
009 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re:LEOPOLD & Loeb- Oops!
010 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Re[2]: Anne Perry/HC ish
reference
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Talking about "thrill kill"
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:49:44 +0200
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Anyone heard of or seen the movie 'Killers'??
I'm not sure, but I believe it's about two teenagers who kill their
parents and do other bloody things I forgot.
What's it all about??
take care,
Marloes
--
'Tis true, Your garden led the Bloom
For mine - in Frosts - was sown -
And yet, one Summer, we were Queens -
But You - were crowned in June
- Emily dickinson, 1862
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From: "B & B Library APCO" <LIB-APCO@balch.com>
Subject: Re: New "thrill kill" case- Lerner & Loeb -Reply
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:04:14 -0500
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>>> "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca> 07/09/98 11:12pm >>>
Paul Bird wrote:
>How much was the "thrill factor" a part of the Parker/Hulme case?
That gas long been the subject of speculation as the P&H case was
often=20
equated to the Lerner & Loeb case which is a straightforward "thrill=20
kill".
--- Isn't the case 'Leopold & Loeb' ? =20
Pam
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re:LEOPOLD & Loeb- Oops!
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:34:11 -0400
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Aileen Dayao wrote:
>Lerner & Loeb case?
That's the Loepold and Loeb case!
(It was in the middle of the night and I was headed for bed when I made
the embarassing mistake. It hit me as I shut the computer off)
A gay couple which murdered just for the thrill.
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:40:39 -0400
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Phil West wrote:
>builds up to a catastrophic trial scene which begins
>on 22 June. Hope I DON'T need to explain that date to anyone here.
:)
>The trial, by the way, reveals the moral and sexual corruption of the
>Victorian upper classes. It's a very dark book, even for Perry.
Christchurch (which prides itself in being "more British than England")
was very much like some bubble of Victorian society in the 50's.
I forget the name of the character (Monk?) but ther is a detective in
her
work who suffers from amnesia....just like Anne.
Apparently, from what I can see here, her work must be peppered with
tidbits that only HC fans will get.
(:^)]
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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@nass.usda.gov>
Subject: Re[2]: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 07:46:07 -0500
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> Do any of you know if she [Anne Perry] often puts
> things that could be HC linked in them??
One of her novels - I'm too lazy to remember the title,
something
like Defend and Betray - builds up to a catastrophic trial
scene
which begins on 22 June. Hope I DON'T need to explain that
date
to anyone here. :)
Referring to the above discussion, I've noticed a trend on
this
list. I know that we're all supposed to be obsessed with this
movie which usually entails learning and memorizing the
minutia
of every scene, every real event, etc. But if there are those
who
don't, that doesn't mean they're not real fans. There are new
people on this list all the time. I assumed that June 22 was
the
date of the Parker/Hulme trial, but I never knew that before.
Another example is the mentioning of the actor who plays
Juliet's
father (I can't even remember his name now, even after it's
been
discussed.) Maybe we should all try to remember that some
people,
although true fans of the film, aren't as obsessed as others
(not
that there's anything wrong with that! ;^)
Thanks,
-Brandi^^
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Clive Merrison in English patient
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 13:30:33 -0400
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CM plays a british officer who meets up with Willem Dafoe in a
staircase.
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From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
Subject: Re: New "thrill kill" case & discussion (LONG)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:34:54 -0300
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> A recent disturbing attempted murder case here in Australia bears a
> very slight similarity to the Parker/Hulme case:
>
> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/news/19196.asp
>
> A point for discussion: HC (and much of the discussion on this list)
> focuses on the intense friendship of Paul & Juliet. We get the
> impression that it was the mutual delusion and "rationalisation" in
> this friendship, in the face of the threat to separate them, that
> drove them to kill Paul's mother.
>
> In the Australian case above it appears they killed simply for fun.
> How much was the "thrill factor" a part of the Parker/Hulme case?
The film shows, as the diaries and the trial records, the girls'
"excitement" in the hours before the murder. Maybe it wasn't really
that, it's more like their enormous anxiety - remember the scene at
Pauline's bedroom (J: "Do you feel sweaty? I feel sweaty."). I
personally think that the "thrill kill" part may have existed in a sense
that they never got in contact with the act of murder before, of course.
But it's more than that, it's the excitement and fear of the unknown
(i.e., anxiety). So much that it's clear that they didn't know exactly
what they were doing (and I stated this opinion several times here),
otherwise they would never leave the brick with the stocking there with
Honora.
This, IMHO, was more an act of dispair than anything else. It's in that
context that the "thrill kill" element could be considered. Or not?
Opinions anyone?
There's something about this Australian case that's very different from
the P&H case, and even from Leopold&Loeb. These girls weren't killing
'cos of a relationship crisis (as well as L&L, they killed a boy to show
that they were superior to other people, by hiding the body).
I posted an article a while ago about a case here in Brazil that had
amazing similarities with the Parker&Hulme case. That case was really
shocking for me - I mean, it was so close and real. I remember reading
the newspaper and thinking "oh God, it happened again...". For those of
you who don't know what I'm talking about, two girls here in Brazil
killed the mother and the grandmother of one of them. The mother was
killed because she wouldn't allow the girls to be together and the
grandmother, because she witnessed the other murder. The girls almost
were killed by the local population who saw them as "horrible killer
lesbians".
I translated the entire article to the list and I was really surprised
that nobody said anything about it. It could be a kind of exercise to
help us think what would happen if Paul and Juliet lived today.
Anyway...
:*
Juliana.
P.S.: Do I really sound that obsessed? Maybe it's my historian's mania
of collecting data to analize the facts...
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From: "Michael Jaski" <honestjon0@mailexcite.com>
Subject: French-Canadian ham
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:07:02 -0700
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I like Canadian bacon!!!!
It's a staple in our house ;)
Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re:LEOPOLD & Loeb- Oops!
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:10:11 +1000 (EST)
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> >Lerner & Loeb case?
>
> That's the Loepold and Loeb case!
>
> (It was in the middle of the night and I was headed for bed when I
made
> the embarassing mistake. It hit me as I shut the computer off)
>
> A gay couple which murdered just for the thrill.
>
> (:^)]
thanks.. when did this happen? where?
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:18:51 +1000 (EST)
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> Referring to the above discussion, I've noticed a trend on
this
> list. I know that we're all supposed to be obsessed with
this
> movie which usually entails learning and memorizing the
minutia
> of every scene, every real event, etc. But if there are
those who
> don't, that doesn't mean they're not real fans. There are
new
> people on this list all the time. I assumed that June 22
was the
> date of the Parker/Hulme trial, but I never knew that
before.
> Another example is the mentioning of the actor who plays
Juliet's
> father (I can't even remember his name now, even after it's
been
> discussed.) Maybe we should all try to remember that some
people,
> although true fans of the film, aren't as obsessed as
others (not
> that there's anything wrong with that! ;^)
>
> Thanks,
> -Brandi^^
Thank You =))))
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n823 --------------
001 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
002 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Re[2]: Anne Perry/HC ish
reference
003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: French-Canadian ham
004 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
005 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - "Canadian Bacon" dirt
006 - Paul Bird <birdp@mira.net - Re: thrill killing
007 - Paul Bird <birdp@mira.net - Orsons Anonymous
008 - Paul Bird <birdp@mira.net - Re: thrill killing
009 - Salena <branson@xtra.co.n - hey there fellow H.C's
010 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - Input
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:25:01 +0200
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BRANDI SMITH wrote:
> There are new people on this list all the time.
Yup, I'm new too, unfortunately. And that's a shame because I don't know
what's been discussed before. I know I can read the old messages, but
there are SO many I don't have time to search that all through at the
moment.
What's my point?? Hmm...I guess I have none...well, just wanted to let
you know this...*smiles*
Lyric
--
'Tis true, Your garden led the Bloom
For mine - in Frosts - was sown -
And yet, one Summer, we were Queens -
But You - were crowned in June
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:57:16 +0100 (BST)
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> I assumed that June 22 was the
> date of the Parker/Hulme trial, but I never knew that before.
No, it's the date of the matricide. The girls didn't go on trial until
a
few months later. I'm not feeling obsessed enough today to remember
exactly when.
Phil
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: French-Canadian ham
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:34:34 GMT
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On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:07:02 -0700, "Michael Jaski"
<honestjon0@mailexcite.com> wrote:
>I like Canadian bacon!!!!=20
Boy did that movie suck.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry/HC ish reference
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:48:29 +0200
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Phil West wrote:
> No, it's the date of the matricide. The girls didn't go on trial
until a
> few months later. I'm not feeling obsessed enough today to remember
> exactly when.
*searching in her pile of papers* That was...ehhh...23th of August
1954. Now am I obsessed or what? (-:
lyric
--
'Tis true, Your garden led the Bloom
For mine - in Frosts - was sown -
And yet, one Summer, we were Queens -
But You - were crowned in June
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: "Canadian Bacon" dirt
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 11:46:37 -0400
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Jeroen wrote:
>>I like Canadian bacon!!!!
>
>Boy did that movie suck.
It has a few jokes that you have to be Canadian to get.
The original script (by Chris Kelley who wrote Moore's TV Nation) was a
lot funnier. Michael Moore literally appropriated the film from him
("It'll be better for the film if my name's on it") and made a hack
piece
with it.
That's right, folks! Michael Moore is not the champion of the underdog
he
markets himself as being. In fact, if you dig into the facts of "Roger
and Me" you find nothing more than a sad peice of manipulative
propaganda
with little regard for facts.
Chris is now head-writer for "Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher".
(:^)]
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From: Paul Bird <birdp@mira.net>
Subject: Re: thrill killing
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:51:50 +1000
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> From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
> >How much was the "thrill factor" a part of the Parker/Hulme case?
>
> That gas long been the subject of speculation as the P&H case was
often
> equated to the Lerner & Loeb case which is a straightforward "thrill
> kill".
>
> That case inspired a few movies. First was Alfred Hitchcock's ROPE.
Then
> COMPULSION (starring Orson Welles) and more recently SWOON.
Yes I've seen Rope & Compulsion. They serve as interesting companion
pieces to HC - and a good opportunity to see legends like Hitchcock &
Orson at work :-) Re: "Thrill killing", I tend to agree that thrill of
the kill was only a small part of the Parker/Hulme case.
However, both these cases, and the Australian one I mentioned, involve a
pair of murderers. One wonders if a single member of any of these pairs
would have done what they achieved together. I think "safety in
numbers" is a common thread behind these killings. Did you ever meet a
member of a group of what you would consider hooligans and bullies on
their own and discover they weren't so bad after all? People tend to go
further they would by themselves when the perceived responsibility is
reduced by more participants. What do you think?
Well just some more food for thought (or perhaps rambling :-)
Paul
P.S. Speaking of Compulsion, has anyone else heard the rumour that
"Touch of Evil" - another great film featuring a fat n' grouchy Orson -
will have a Director's Cut released?
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From: Paul Bird <birdp@mira.net>
Subject: Orsons Anonymous
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:11:07 +1000
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> >Who's this Angus MacFadyen chap?
>
> First I ever heard of it. Then again, it's not like there's an Orson
> Impersonators Convention where we go and swap trade secrets with
Vincent
> D'Onofrio.
LOL. It's not too late to start, though, esp. as you could get a new
member from this (very interesting) project:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?RKO+281+(1998)
http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/rko281.html
> >Surely he can't be as hideous as you!
>
> No one's more hideous than I.
>
> Remember that I was cast to play Orson as seen through the eyes of two
> girls who thought he was hideous. My being hideous probably had more
to
> do with it than my passing ressemblance to OW. This guy was probably
> hired to play a more romantic Orson.
>
> Either that or they got a real actor to play OW instead of some
> French-Canadian ham.
Well, as someone else here commented and I've heard from Canadian
friends, Canadian pig products are supposed to be pretty damn good, so I
wouldn't feel too bad! :-)
Paul
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From: Paul Bird <birdp@mira.net>
Subject: Re: thrill killing
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:29:41 +1000
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> From: Juliana Bastos <jbastos@usp.br>
> Subject: Re: New "thrill kill" case & discussion (LONG)
> The film shows, as the diaries and the trial records, the girls'
> "excitement" in the hours before the murder. Maybe it wasn't really
> that, it's more like their enormous anxiety - remember the scene at
> Pauline's bedroom (J: "Do you feel sweaty? I feel sweaty."). I
> personally think that the "thrill kill" part may have existed in a
sense
> that they never got in contact with the act of murder before, of
course.
> But it's more than that, it's the excitement and fear of the unknown
> (i.e., anxiety). So much that it's clear that they didn't know exactly
> what they were doing (and I stated this opinion several times here),
> otherwise they would never leave the brick with the stocking there
with
> Honora.
>
> This, IMHO, was more an act of dispair than anything else. It's in
that
> context that the "thrill kill" element could be considered. Or not?
> Opinions anyone?
I agree with you here. The fear and despair seemed to drive them to the
state where, as you mention, they really didn't know what they were
doing. I also agree that the nervous excitement was just that -
nervousness and anxiety tinged with the promise of freedom. It seems
kind of like when you have to do a big presentation at school or work -
a presentation that if successful will net you a good mark or a
promotion. Before the event you can't think of anything else and are
filled with anxiety, yet at the same time excited, because if you pull
it off you'll be rewarded. Unfortunately Paul & Juliet's reward of
freedom was imagined...not that what they did was justified even if it
wasn't.
It certainly wasn't a "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if we killed someone?"
situation.
> I posted an article a while ago about a case here in Brazil that had
> amazing similarities with the Parker&Hulme case.
I must have missed this in the never ending tide of email - could you
post it again or send it to me? It would much appreciated.
> P.S.: Do I really sound that obsessed?
Scary isn't it? I bought a couple of old true crime books, some with
articles on HC, and was disgusted with myself by how much I enjoyed
reading the horrible stories.
Thanks for the interesting comments, Juliana!
Paul
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From: Salena <branson@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: hey there fellow H.C's
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:04:29 +1200
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hey there fellow HC's
This is the first time I've actually contributed to this. My name is
Salena, I'm 17 and I live in Christchurch where Heavenly Creatures was
filmed. I feel really priviledged to have visited the actual sites and
to have seen filming in progress.
I know people (my parent's friends) who knew the real Juliet Hulmes and
Pauline Parker. Every single one of them say they never would have
guessed that they had the potential to murder. I saw Heavenly Creatures
for the fist time on the big screen when it first came out. The fact
that I could recognise places in the film made it an even better movie
experience. I hadn't actually liked it the first time I saw it but I saw
it again on T.V and I really understood it and enjoyed it to the max. I
went back to some of the sites a few weeks ago and it was almost like a
spiritual experience to be where they had been. Kate Winslet is my FAV.
actress now and I only regret I didn't meet her.
From Salena (Kate look-alike, true!)
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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: Input
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:04:18 +0100
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Hiya,
Sorry for the lack on input of late....my modem died on me !
.
P.S Watched "Bound" last night....totally excellant !
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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n824 --------------
001 - "Rob Wilks" <robert.wilks - How to unsubcribe...?
002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: thrill killing
003 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Just a little note
004 - Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de - Hi Salena!
005 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - I'm SO stupid!! sorry....
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From: "Rob Wilks" <robert.wilks@virgin.net>
Subject: How to unsubcribe...?
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:39:26 +0100
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Hey guys?
I was just wondering how to unsubscribe from this list as I'm leaving
home
soon to go to university, and I want to unscribe from all my lists so
that I
won't have tooo much email when I get back home.
So, if you could tell me how to unsubcribe from this list, I would
really
apprecaite it!!
Thanks!
Rob
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: thrill killing
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 14:00:09 -0400
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Paul Bird wrote:
>"Touch of Evil" - another great film featuring a fat n' grouchy Orson -
>will have a Director's Cut released?
It's not a rumour. Th cut screened at Cannes and will be released
through
Octorber films.
I can't wait to see it.
(:^)]
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Just a little note
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:01:03 +0200
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Hi there!!!
You must think I'm a total freak but I just had to write a little note
to someone who actually lives in Christchurch! I live exactly on the
other side of the world, and the film already made a massive impression
on me, I can imagine it will be even better if you know the place and
can visit the scenes!! Do a lot of places still look the same as they
did back then? Do people still talk about what happened or is it a
'forgotten' case? Gosh...I guess I'm asking too much already!!! *grin*
Just in case you were wondering, I got your addy from the mailing-list.
I hope you don't mind me writing this. If you do: I'm sorry and I won't
bother you with more emails!
Take care
Marloes (aka lyric)
--
'Tis true, Your garden led the Bloom
For mine - in Frosts - was sown -
And yet, one Summer, we were Queens -
But You - were crowned in June
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de (Bettina.Hahn)
Subject: Hi Salena!
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:18:25 +0200
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Oh wow, Iīm so jealous! Youīre soooo lucky to live there, anyway,
cause I think itīs a beautiful place. Nice to have you on the list!
Iīm sure that everyone on here has a sqillion questions to you...
so welcome to the list!
*hugs*
Betty
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: I'm SO stupid!! sorry....
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:32:58 +0200
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I forgot to change the addy's from my last email....gosh...*feeling
dumb*
I hope it won't happen again!!!
lyric
--
'Tis true, Your garden led the Bloom
For mine - in Frosts - was sown -
And yet, one Summer, we were Queens -
But You - were crowned in June
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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001 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - bound
002 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo - Back again
003 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - Hi, new member here!
004 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Hi, new member here! ----->
Welcome!!
005 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - OT- Unsuitable Job For a Woman, An
006 - Salena <branson@xtra.co.n - Yo!
007 - KTYerves@aol.com - HC soundtrack...
008 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Yo!
009 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: bound
010 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - UK version of HC
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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: bound
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:40:25 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-12 05:27:19 EDT, sybull@lineone.net writes:
<< P.S Watched "Bound" last night....totally excellant ! >>
YAY!! BOUND IS THE BEST MOVIE NEXT TO HC!! =)
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: Back again
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:47:49 -0500
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Dearest Creatures:
I'm sorry for the lack of contributions in the past few weeks, but as
you
can remember ( If you try so) I moved to a smaller city, trying to
build my
own Borovnia, literaly. I've been reading carefully all your
contributions
and I die to participate on must of them but I guess it is to late.
I will try to put my two cents to all the past postings since two
months
ago that I missed. I hope that doesn't bother you. I just ask to you
to be
patient.
Thank you for reading
José Antonio
P.S. By the way, I made a survey here about HC (Remember that it is
featured in theaters now?) with very intersting results (Julianna, you
will
be surprised)
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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Hi, new member here!
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:15:23 EDT
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Hi everyone, my name is Ava, I'm 18 years old and a HUGE Kate Winslet
fan! I
heard about this list a while ago, but delayed joining until I got back
from
vacation. I'm also a member of the KWFC list, so you may know me from
there.
Look forward to hearing from all of you soon!
Ava :)
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Hi, new member here! -----> Welcome!!
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:10:05 +0200
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Welcome to the list Ava!!
I'm a pretty new member also, and already known as the one who screws up
addresses...*smiles* And how was your vacation?? (-:
Take care!
Marloes (aka lyric)
--
'Tis true, Your garden led the Bloom
For mine - in Frosts - was sown -
And yet, one Summer, we were Queens -
But You - were crowned in June
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: OT- Unsuitable Job For a Woman, An
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:30:34 +1000 (EST)
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Hi =))) This series just started last night, and it's quite
interesting...
it's based on a character of P.D.James... starring Helen Baxendale (aka
Emily in Friends)
I wondered if anyone else has watched the series and what they thought
of
it?
I checked the 'net and there wasn'tthat much info on the series.... I
found the official site (lost theURL unfortunately) and it only had two
'episodes' of the series....
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: Salena <branson@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Yo!
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:05:07 +1200
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hey there everyone
It would be my pleasure to answer any questions on Christchurch. I am
dead proud to be a Kiwi/New Zealander so I like to brag about how great
the place is!
The place hasn't changed a bit. That's one thing I love about old NZ,
we're kinda in a time-warp, nothing changes. It's very kewl.
*hugs*
Salena ( branson@xtra.co.nz )
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From: KTYerves@aol.com
Subject: HC soundtrack...
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:44:56 EDT
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Hello Heavenly Creatures!!!
Just when I thought I would never own the HC soundtrack I find myself
with not
only one copy but also with an extra! Long story short...I ordered
them from
two online sites and forgot to cancel one order when I received the CD
from
the other store.
Just wondering before I return it if anyone on the list would like to
buy it
off of me. It's brand new and I ended up paying $35.00 (US currency)
for it
once the tax and shipping was included. I have the receipts to show
this and
would be willing to sell it for what I paid plus the cost for me to
mail it.
I only ask that the money be in US currency so you would have to get an
international money order if you live outside of the States. Sorry!
So...if anyone is interested please get back to me as soon as possible.
Otherwise I have to mail it back to the company for a refund. E-mail me
privately at KTYerves@aol.com.
If I don't hear anything within a week then I will assume that no one is
interested.
Thanks!
Kate
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Yo!
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 02:07:46 -0400
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Salena wrote:
>I am
>dead proud to be a Kiwi/New Zealander so I like to brag about how great
>the place is!
As you should be. I visited Christchurch 5 years ago and fell in love
with the whole country.
Canada is having unity pains and I always felt I had no place to go if
my
province (Quebec) seceded from Canada: I'd be tagged a "refugee" or a
"Frenchie" in any other province and the political climate of a
sovereign
Quebec would be unfriendly towards a "Anglophile" like me. This is the
problem with being bilingual in Canada. It's like being mulatto in the
US: people see the differences instead of the common points and you get
rejected by both sides.
(:^)]
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: bound
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:42:14 GMT
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References: <199807131642.JAA12866@lists1.best.com>
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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:40:25 EDT, LaSkA4u@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-12 05:27:19 EDT, sybull@lineone.net writes:
>
><< P.S Watched "Bound" last night....totally excellant ! >>
>
>YAY!! BOUND IS THE BEST MOVIE NEXT TO HC!! =3D)
Well, there are more, but yes, i ADORE that film!
Only complaint: the tom jones (talk about the most hideous man alive)
song at the end, it should have been much louder. I don't know if
it's a video mixing problem or that it's the same in the theatrical
version, maybe somebody who saw it in the cinema can comment on this?
I believe gina or jennifer had the same complaint on the commentary
track.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: UK version of HC
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:11:39 EDT
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Ok, I have a question for you all. I was in England for 4 weeks and
while I
was there, I watched HC on BBC1. It was in widescreen, so that was
really
cool, but I didn't notice any differences between the UK version and
the US
version I own on video. I thought there were supposed to be some
differences
between these two versions. If so, what are they? Or was this version
possibly edited for TV? Did anyone else see it who could tell me?
Cheers!
Ava :)
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001 - adam abrams <adamabr@heli - Melanie in "Ever Afer" - a peek
002 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: bound
003 - Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.c - RE:UK screened version!!
004 - lindsay.jenkins@hobsons.c - Re: Melanie in "Ever Afer" - a
peek
005 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: UK version of HC
006 - Ald14hc@aol.com - Re: bound
007 - LuvleeNine@aol.com - Re: bound
008 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: bound
009 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - Re: bound
010 - LuvleeNine@aol.com - Re: bound
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From: adam abrams <adamabr@helix.net>
Subject: Melanie in "Ever Afer" - a peek
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi Creatures,
Well, thanks to an anonymous inside "leak", I've obtained an exclusive
picture of Mel as she'll appear in "Ever After". It's in "Heavenly
News" on
my site:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/2194/
Just for the occasion, I've given the old site a bit of a makeover.
Check
out the new, slimmer title bar... the "recycling" messages... and best
of
all, the highly dramatic animated title image! Hope you all like it!
Adam
=============================================================================
"Only the best people fight against all obstacles - in pursuit of
Happiness!"
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: bound
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:47:09 +0200
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Jeroen wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:40:25 EDT, LaSkA4u@aol.com wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 98-07-12 05:27:19 EDT, sybull@lineone.net writes:
> >
> ><< P.S Watched "Bound" last night....totally excellant ! >>
> >
> >YAY!! BOUND IS THE BEST MOVIE NEXT TO HC!! =)
>
> Well, there are more, but yes, i ADORE that film!
>
> Only complaint: the tom jones (talk about the most hideous man alive)
> song at the end, it should have been much louder. I don't know if
> it's a video mixing problem or that it's the same in the theatrical
> version, maybe somebody who saw it in the cinema can comment on this?
>
> I believe gina or jennifer had the same complaint on the commentary
> track.
Yup, Bound's pretty........different!!! Love it!!!! And I thought the
song was loud enough, but then again, the volume was almost at the
highest level so I can't really judge... (-:
lyric
--
'Tis true, Your garden led the Bloom
For mine - in Frosts - was sown -
And yet, one Summer, we were Queens -
But You - were crowned in June
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE:UK screened version!!
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:21:39 +0100
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Hiya Ava!! (+ All the other Creatures!!)
Nice to see you over here too!!! :-)
The UK version on BBC1 wasn't the version u can buy on video here!!
They =
cut gadzillions of things that I didn't notice coz I tend to scan watch
=
it and just assume bits are in it!! I know I shouldn't!!I know the t.v =
version cut the tennis party thing and dinner with the Hulmes, I can't =
remember what else, I'll go watch the t.v version + video + compare
them =
tomorrow!! Any excuse!!
I'm off to an audition for The crucible now!! Wish me luck + pray I
get =
to be Abigail, not Elizabeth Proctor like I'm normally stuck with!!
Talk to ya later!
Make a wish for me,
love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
Gem*
P.S Anne perry's books are THE BEST!!!! + There's two new sites if u =
search on Yahoo for her!! Not much on HC though!!
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From: lindsay.jenkins@hobsons.co.uk (Lindsay Jenkins)
Subject: Re: Melanie in "Ever Afer" - a peek
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:25:05 +0100
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> Just for the occasion, I've given the old site a bit of a makeover.
Check
> out the new, slimmer title bar... the "recycling" messages... and best
of
> all, the highly dramatic animated title image! Hope you all like it!
It's excellent! Love the title bar!
Lindsay
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: UK version of HC
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:13:05 +0200
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PURPLEAVA@aol.com wrote:
>
> Ok, I have a question for you all. I was in England for 4 weeks and
while I
> was there, I watched HC on BBC1. It was in widescreen, so that was
really
> cool, but I didn't notice any differences between the UK version and
the US
> version I own on video. I thought there were supposed to be some
differences
> between these two versions. If so, what are they? Or was this
version
> possibly edited for TV? Did anyone else see it who could tell me?
Cheers!
>
> Ava :)
I'd like to know this also because the UK-version is the only one I ever
saw...and still have on tape.
lyric
--
'Tis true, Your garden led the Bloom
For mine - in Frosts - was sown -
And yet, one Summer, we were Queens -
But You - were crowned in June
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: Ald14hc@aol.com
Subject: Re: bound
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:49:49 EDT
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excuse my stupidity... what is bound? who is in it? what is it about?
i
guess ill have to go rent it. or is it at the theatres?
Angie
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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: bound
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:42:55 EDT
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In a message dated 7/14/98 2:40:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
Ald14hc@aol.com writes:
<< excuse my stupidity... what is bound? who is in it? what is it
about? i
guess ill have to go rent it. or is it at the theatres?
Angie
>>
Bound came out a while back. It stars the ever beautiful Gina
Gershon, and
the every annoying-voiced Jennifer Tilly. It's out of theatres..has
been for
a while. Time to hit the vide stores. =)
*LUV9*
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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: Re: bound
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:45:05 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-14 17:55:19 EDT, you write:
<< << excuse my stupidity... what is bound? who is in it? what is it
about?
i
guess ill have to go rent it. or is it at the theatres?
Angie
>>
Bound came out a while back. It stars the ever beautiful Gina
Gershon, and
the every annoying-voiced Jennifer Tilly. It's out of theatres..has
been for
a while. Time to hit the vide stores. =)
*LUV9* >>
yeh gina gershon is extremely beautiful...and jennifer tilly's voice
isnt all
that annoying...and my only complaint about the movie is the fact that
they
didnt make a soundtrack for it! but other than that the movie was
excellent! i
recommend that every1 go rent it! yay! =)
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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Re: bound
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:34:43 EDT
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What else has Gina Gershon been in? I think she's beautiful too.
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From: LuvleeNine@aol.com
Subject: Re: bound
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:39:26 EDT
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In a message dated 7/14/98 6:53:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
PURPLEAVA@aol.com writes:
<< What else has Gina Gershon been in? I think she's beautiful too. >>
Gina Gershon has also starred in:
*Pretty In Pink(1986)-Girlfriend/Gym Class
*Sweet Revenge(1987)-Coral
*Red Heat(1988)-Cat Manzetti
*Suffering Bastards(1989)-Sharnetta
*Voodo Dawn(1990)-Tina
*City of Hope(1991)-Laurie
*Out For Justice(1991)-Patti Madano
*The Player(1992)-Whitney Gersh
*Joey Breaker(1993)-Jennie Chaser
*Flinch(1994)-Daphne
*Best of the Best 3(1995)-Margo Preston
*Show Girls(1995)-Cristal Connors
*This World, Then the Fireworks(1996)-Carol Lakewood
*Bound(1996)-Corky
*Prague Duet(1997)
*Original Sins(1997)
*Touch(1997)-Debra Lusanne
*Face/Off(1997)-Sasha Hassler
*Lulu on the Bridge(1998)-Hannah
*Black and White(1998)-Nora Hugosian
*Legalese(1998)-Angela
*Palmetto(1998)-Nina
*Guinevere(1999)
....And there you have it. She's also done some TV. I couldn't
name the
shows though, i'm sorry. =)
Nasrin *LUV9*
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001 - Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot - Re: bound soundtrack and DVD
002 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: bound
003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: UK version of HC
004 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - off: dvd
005 - Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@ - UNSUBSCRIBING FOR NOW !!!!
006 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: bound
007 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: UNSUBSCRIBING FOR NOW !!!!
008 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Melanie in "Ever Afer" - a
peek
009 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: UK version of HC
010 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: bound
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From: Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: bound soundtrack and DVD
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:09:03 -0400
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<snipped stuff about Bound>
Bound is an excellent film noir flick. The twist is the ex-con is also
female, but it is not a gimmicky film nor a pretentious art flick.
>yeh gina gershon is extremely beautiful...and jennifer tilly's voice
isnt all
>that annoying...and my only complaint about the movie is the fact that
they
>didnt make a soundtrack for it! but other than that the movie was
excellent! i
>recommend that every1 go rent it! yay! =)
>
The movie soundtrack was actually released as a promo only for the
composer. I bought the cd a while back from an online store. It's just
the film score and does not contain any of the commercial songs.
For DVD and ld owners out there, I finally took the plunge and bought a
2nd gen DVD player. Quite simply, it blows the ol ld out of the water.
For my setup, the biggest improvement over laserdisc is the lack of
noise.
I did an A/B of Bound on ld and DVD and the DVD's color is more natural
and
noise-free. The DVD player also had a built-in Dolby DIgital decoder
that
I could hook up to my amp with discrete inputs. Granted, the DVD's DD
decoder is not better than a stand-alone but the sound imaging kills pro
logic. Only complaint about DD is that it sounds a bit thin compared to
pro logic. My favorite DVD is Starship Troopers. Great movie and has
plently of great show-off scenes.
Finally, it's good to see that others like not only HC, but great films
like Bound and English Patient. Here's a rental tip: In the company of
men.
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: bound
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On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:42:55 EDT, LuvleeNine@aol.com wrote:
>the every annoying-voiced Jennifer Tilly.
Hey i love her voice! She talks so slow in BOUND, but then you hear
her on the commentary track and she talks very fast, not at all like
violet. She rocks.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: UK version of HC
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:16:53 GMT
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PURPLEAVA@aol.com wrote:
>=20
> Ok, I have a question for you all. I was in England for 4 weeks and =
while I
> was there, I watched HC on BBC1. It was in widescreen, so that was =
really
> cool, but I didn't notice any differences between the UK version and =
the US
This is from a message i posted a few weeks ago:
Turned out the bbc used the same weird aspect ratio as german station
vox when they aired the NZ cut last year. It was 16:9 not 2.35:1 but
still a lot of picture info was cropped from the sides. Like the ilam
sign that only shows 'i', and the scene where p&j hold hands shows
only one horse and the house isn't in the middle but all the way on
the left side of the frame. So my guess is they took the p&s version
and framed it 16:9.
> version I own on video. I thought there were supposed to be some =
differences
> between these two versions. If so, what are they? Or was this
version
> possibly edited for TV? Did anyone else see it who could tell me? =
Cheers!
>=20
> Ava :)
I did a scene-by-scene comparison last year. Let me know if you're
interested and i'll send it to you as an email.
L8r, j.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: off: dvd
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:16:53 GMT
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On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:09:03 -0400, Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot.msu.edu>
wrote:
Minh, creatures,
>For DVD and ld owners out there, I finally took the plunge and bought
a
>2nd gen DVD player. Quite simply, it blows the ol ld out of the water.
Which player did you get? I have the tosh 3107, and i love it.
Although i run the ld (and the dvd) through a line doubler which does
a very good job of cleaning up the picture and removing ntsc
artifacts, the dvd picture is still much better, especially the
squeezed-anamorphic discs.
I just got myself a data-grade crt projector (an electrohome, canadian
brand, jean will be happy), and anamorphic discs look like film,
period.
>For my setup, the biggest improvement over laserdisc is the lack of =
noise.
>I did an A/B of Bound on ld and DVD and the DVD's color is more
natural =
and
>noise-free.
I did the same with THE SECRET GARDEN (anamorphic). Simply no
comparison. Colors are much better, virtually no color noise, and
much more detail. My player also has a black level enhancement option
(forces a blacker-than-black black level output of 0 IRE instead of
the 7.5 US standard) which makes the picture a lot more dynamic.
>My favorite DVD is Starship Troopers. Great movie and has
>plently of great show-off scenes.
Yeah, it rocks. I love the scene where they shoot the plasma bombs
into space, with the two big space ships crashing. Also, it's a much
more intelligent film than most people give it credit for. Some
critics actually called it a pro fascist film, much like they called
NBK a pro violence film. Idiots.
Have you listened to the ST commentary track yet? Make sure you keep
the volume down, at one point verhoeven starts screaming into the
microphone, i really thought it blew my center speaker.
About favorite dvd's, well i have about a 100 now, and to demo my gear
i usually use THE FIFTH ELEMENT for the best picture, and DAS BOOT for
the DD sound. Other great demo discs are, imho: SPAWN, GHOST IN THE
SHELL, A LITTLE PRINCES, U-TURN, THE CRAFT and STAND BY ME.
Enjoy your player!
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@yahoo.com>
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBING FOR NOW !!!!
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:16:08 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi you creatures!
I'll be unsubscribing FOR NOW because no Internet access till
September... So see you guys in September... (god, feels like I'm
going to the desert or something)
Isabelle.
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: bound
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:57:17 +0200
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Jeroen wrote:
> Hey i love her voice! She talks so slow in BOUND, but then you hear
> her on the commentary track and she talks very fast, not at all like
> violet. She rocks.
I think Gina Gershon rocks!!
lyric
--
I dared not to meet the Daffodils
For fear their Yellow Gown
Would pierce me with a fashion
So foreign to my own
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBING FOR NOW !!!!
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Isabelle Laclos wrote:
>
> Hi you creatures!
>
> I'll be unsubscribing FOR NOW because no Internet access till
> September... So see you guys in September... (god, feels like I'm
> going to the desert or something)
>
> Isabelle.
Take care!!!!!
lyric
--
I dared not to meet the Daffodils
For fear their Yellow Gown
Would pierce me with a fashion
So foreign to my own
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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Subject: Re: Melanie in "Ever Afer" - a peek
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:19:38 +0200
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adam abrams wrote:
> Just for the occasion, I've given the old site a bit of a makeover.
Check
> out the new, slimmer title bar... the "recycling" messages... and
best of
> all, the highly dramatic animated title image! Hope you all like it!
Absolutely GREAT! I must agree with Lindsay, the title bar is indeed
wonderful!!!!
lyric
--
I dared not to meet the Daffodils
For fear their Yellow Gown
Would pierce me with a fashion
So foreign to my own
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: UK version of HC
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:54:32 +0200
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Jeroen wrote:
>
> Turned out the bbc used the same weird aspect ratio as german station
> vox when they aired the NZ cut last year. It was 16:9 not 2.35:1 but
> still a lot of picture info was cropped from the sides. Like the ilam
> sign that only shows 'i', and the scene where p&j hold hands shows
> only one horse and the house isn't in the middle but all the way on
> the left side of the frame. So my guess is they took the p&s version
> and framed it 16:9.
WOEHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! I gotta find the other version somewhere FAST!!!
The only scene where I noticed the cutting so far is where their eyes
are showed, I compared that to the pictures on your hp...
What about the versions they rent in Video stores??? Are they all the
same?
> I did a scene-by-scene comparison last year. Let me know if you're
> interested and i'll send it to you as an email.
Yes please do so Jeroen!!
lyric
--
I dared not to meet the Daffodils
For fear their Yellow Gown
Would pierce me with a fashion
So foreign to my own
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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Subject: Re: bound
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:31:57 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-15 09:12:27 EDT, you write:
<< > Hey i love her voice! She talks so slow in BOUND, but then you
hear
> her on the commentary track and she talks very fast, not at all like
> violet. She rocks.
I think Gina Gershon rocks!!
lyric >>
yeh i soo agree!! every1 of my friends who i've shown bound to fell in
luv
with gina gershon!! well and they also got irritated by jennifer's
voice but
i like it!! itz sexy! hehe...
~joanna~
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001 - "Michael Jaski" <honestjo - Digest
002 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: UK version of HC
003 - "GimmeSomeLovin" <slw@cap - Re: UNSUBSCRIBING FOR NOW !!!!
004 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: bound
005 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: UK version of HC
006 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - Bound & gagged
007 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Worried about the Saints?
008 - "GimmeSomeLovin" <slw@cap - Re: Worried about the Saints?
009 - Kip Hoelscher <akira@iast - OT:In the Company of Men
010 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: Bound & gagged
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From: "Michael Jaski" <honestjon0@mailexcite.com>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:42:32 -0700
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Can someone forward me a copy of yesterday's digest? Mine showed 10
messages but only contained the first (Adam Abrams). Thank you!
Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: UK version of HC
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:52:22 +0100 (BST)
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lyric wrote:
> WOEHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! I gotta find the other version somewhere
FAST!!!
> The only scene where I noticed the cutting so far is where their eyes
> are showed, I compared that to the pictures on your hp...
> What about the versions they rent in Video stores??? Are they all the
> same??
Ah, this sounds like my hobby horse...
The normal UK video available in the shops has 99.9% full width, but is
not letterboxed. To explain... imagine Alun Bollinger looking into his
lens, filming HC. What he sees is a large squarish image of whatever
the
camera is pointing at. But within that, there are other white lines
marking out the area which is actually going to be shown onscreen. For
HC
this is a narrow 'widescreen' strip whose length is 2.35 times as much
as
its height. For many films it's a more box-like shape, whose length is
only 1.85 times as long as its sides. The camera operator tries to get
what the director wants within that area. AB, of course, does this and
so
much more... we're not worthy... we're not worthy...
What goes onto the film is the WHOLE image the camera sees, complete
with
the extra visual information which isn't really wanted. Somehow (I
don't
know about this bit) when the film is processed/screened, only the
correct
band of visual information is projected. The rest is blanked off,
possibly with a mask, or whatever.
But, of course, it's possible to take off the masking used to make this
'correct' shape, and, hey presto, you have a film shaped like a TV
screen,
more or less. This is what the distributor/Miramax/Peter Jackson
decided
to do for the UK release. You get the whole of what went into the
camera.
As Jeroen has pointed out before, this means that a few bloopers get
into
the screen, like Pauline's forkful of scrambled egg reappearing after
she's eaten it (in the 'But who's going to look after her?' scene just
after learning that Juliet's going to the sanitorium). These things are
cut out of the 'proper' frame. It also means that things like the
careful
elimination of too much naked Kate and Mel gets blown to bits!
Anyway, to cut a long story short, the BBC used the US pan/scan video to
make their 'widescreen' version. The pan/scan video takes only the
2.35:1
band of film (which obviously doesn't fit on a TV screen) and moves
around
on it following the action, but destroying the framing. What they
SHOULD
have done (!! lecture mode!!) was simply screen the video available in
the
UK, which keeps the whole width and adds more top and bottom.
Nuff said!
Cheers,
Phil
p.s. I do love the fact, though, that the US cut removes the lines
'HILDA:
I've brought him a cup of tea. BILL: Would you care for one?' when
Juliet
discovers her adulterous cohabitants. Do Americans really not know
about
tea??? ;-)
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From: "GimmeSomeLovin" <slw@capecod.net>
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBING FOR NOW !!!!
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:03:32 -0700
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i know this message will probably bug people but can someone please
tell me
how to unsubscribe?
im leaving on vacation and I dont want my mailbox to fill up thanks
slw@capecod.net
Mystic Zelda Marilyn Hanson
Taylor's Part
"Well I heard about the fella you've been dancing with
all over the neighbourhood.
So why didn't you ask me baby,
or didn't you think I could..."
Well I know that the Boogiloo is out of sight
But the shangaling she's playing tonight
But if that were you and me hotta baby
I'd come to show you how to do right
Do it right, uh-huh do it right
Do it right, do it right, do it right
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Twisting, shake-it shake-it shake-it
Shake-it baby
Twisting, shake-it shake-it shake-it
Shake-it baby
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> From: Isabelle Laclos <ilaclos@yahoo.com>
> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBING FOR NOW !!!!
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:16 AM
>
> Hi you creatures!
>
> I'll be unsubscribing FOR NOW because no Internet access till
> September... So see you guys in September... (god, feels like I'm
> going to the desert or something)
>
> Isabelle.
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: bound
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:38:15 +0200
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LaSkA4u@aol.com wrote:
> yeh i soo agree!! every1 of my friends who i've shown bound to fell
in luv
> with gina gershon!! well and they also got irritated by jennifer's
voice but
> i like it!! itz sexy! hehe...
> ~joanna~
Yup it is!!! Am I lucky that my voice is a lot like hers!!! (or so they
say....*smiles* I personally think that Demi Moore's voice is a bit
closer to mine.)
I haven't seen that much of Gina before, but she's what made Showgirls
bearable, the rest was hilarious. (I never quite understood what the
fuss was all about)
lyric
--
I dared not to meet the Daffodils
For fear their Yellow Gown
Would pierce me with a fashion
So foreign to my own
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: UK version of HC
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:20:30 +0200
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Phil West wrote:
> Ah, this sounds like my hobby horse...
And I guess it's gonna stay that way... (-: I'm really trying to
understand the technical part, but I guess I need to read it a coupla
times more!!! Thanx for the explanation anyway!! (-;
Take care
Marloes (aka lyric)
--
I dared not to meet the Daffodils
For fear their Yellow Gown
Would pierce me with a fashion
So foreign to my own
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: Bound & gagged
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:44:52 +0100
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Hiya all,
So glad people liked "Bound", I inquired the following day in HMV
(London, England) about it's availability hoping that by now it might be
at a sell through price as the film arrived in my video store several
months back to no particular acclaim. Huh! Just my luck it arrives on
sale on the 22nd July. I saw a dummy box and it had "FULL UNCUT VERSION"
on it . I guess the delay was with censorship. I hope the version I saw
was not the cut version, as there are several people I would like to
show it to, but it was any more graphic and detailed than the version I
saw, no way, their sensibilities would not take it !
Which brings me onto an HC related issue. Despite my adoration of HC, I
feel very uncomfortable with the "Nights with the saints" scene if I am
watching it with female company. Although I know the context of the
scene and that it is not a lesbian issue being portrayed on the screen,
I feel awkward when watching it I feel an almost unbearable urge to say
"...it's not what it seems , let me explain !" when the scene comes on.
I would be interested in knowing how other reacted showing this film to
friends and/or family? Am I surrounded by narrow minded people, or is it
just that I was not breast fed properly?
Finally, I am sooooooo tempted by the theory of DVD, but there are
several issues that are stopping me from going that route:
1) The compatibility Issue: Are today's machines going to work with next
years discs
2) Surely all this amazing sound & vision is only available if a decent
(I.E. exspensive/specialised) sound & vision system is used. I hear all
about this amazing Dolby Surround sound, amorphic stuff etc. Am I
wasting my time and money getting a player and just plugging it into a
bog standard Radio Rentals 27" TV ?
3) In the UK, DVD discs are slowly emerging but as for DVD players, huh
! No sign of a major all out attack and getting these things into all
our homes. Is this Mini disc all over again? High prices and limited
titles? Any idea on what the DVD situation is in the UK ?
I know that the DVD question is outside the bounds of HC (I mean over
the fence and in the next field), so if anyone want to reply to me, you
may use my personal E-Mail address ( SYBULL@LINEONE.NET) rather than
clutter up the list. .
Boy am I glad to have my Modem back !
Stephen.
"...that is SO impressive!" Juliet Hulme, Heavenly Creatures
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Subject: Worried about the Saints?
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:37:54 -0500 (EST)
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well, the narration at that point -says- they are doing an enactment,
it is
quite plain about it. i'd say let your friends judge for themselves.
imnsho.
--==** melanthe alexian **==--
...she just slipped away...
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Subject: Re: Worried about the Saints?
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:04:03 -0700
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can someone please tell me how to get off this list?
Mystic Zelda Marilyn Hanson
Taylor's Part
"Well I heard about the fella you've been dancing with
all over the neighbourhood.
So why didn't you ask me baby,
or didn't you think I could..."
Well I know that the Boogiloo is out of sight
But the shangaling she's playing tonight
But if that were you and me hotta baby
I'd come to show you how to do right
Do it right, uh-huh do it right
Do it right, do it right, do it right
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Twisting, shake-it shake-it shake-it
Shake-it baby
Twisting, shake-it shake-it shake-it
Shake-it baby
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> From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>
> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
> Subject: Worried about the Saints?
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 7:37 PM
>
> well, the narration at that point -says- they are doing an enactment,
it
is
> quite plain about it. i'd say let your friends judge for themselves.
> imnsho.
>
> --==** melanthe alexian **==--
> ...she just slipped away...
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From: Kip Hoelscher <akira@iastate.edu>
Subject: OT:In the Company of Men
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:40:32 CDT
Minh mentioned 'In the Company of Men', and I'd like to second that
recommendation. It's a really smart movie that shows alot about how
some
men think. Plus you have to give a movie credit for having a smaller
budget than 'Clerks' and still being really good.
Kip
akira@iastate.edu
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Bound & gagged
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:21:54 GMT
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On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:44:52 +0100, Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
wrote:
>I hope the version I saw
>was not the cut version, as there are several people I would like to
>show it to, but it was any more graphic and detailed than the version I
>saw, no way, their sensibilities would not take it !
That's why i prefer to watch movies alone, especially first viewings.
About BOUND, the unrated version features:
- in one of the love scenes you see a hand at a certain place;
- in 'the' love scene you hear groaning and moaning instead of music;
- you actually see that that one guy's finger is clipped off.
In fact gina makes a great joke about this on the commentary track, it
was something like that it would have been a bad thing if her fingers
would have been clipped off as she needs 'm to 'service' violet :/
Anyway, enough material there to make your average TITANIC crowd
uncomfortable.
>Which brings me onto an HC related issue. Despite my adoration of HC, I
>feel very uncomfortable with the "Nights with the saints" scene if I am
>watching it with female company. Although I know the context of the
Actually the few females i showed HC to had no problems with that
scene. In fact all the 'stupid dykes' type comments came from my male
friends (erm, acquaintances). But i know what you mean, in fact
people start thinking i have some thing for lesbian movies now, with
HC and BOUND and SISTER MY SISTER, and the more or less lesbian scenes
in some of my other favorite movies like FREEWAY and MISS NOBODY.
Hmm, maybe they're right ;)
>scene and that it is not a lesbian issue being portrayed on the screen,
OK, i'll bite. Why is it not a lesbian issue? Or no, when would it
have been a lesbian issue? I know about the saints theory, but i
don't buy it.
> Finally, I am sooooooo tempted by the theory of DVD, but there are
>several issues that are stopping me from going that route:
>
>1) The compatibility Issue: Are today's machines going to work with
next
>years discs
Yes. That is, not until high def dvd hits the streets, which won't be
for another 5 years at least. If you have a tv/projector that
supports vertical scan rates of at least 31.5 khz and has component
(YUV) inputs it might be a good idea to wait a few months for the new
toshiba progressive scan players, which will play all dvd's in native
progressive scan, without ntsc interlacing and 3/2 pulldown artifacts.
Or, if you don't have a problem with having a big ugly computer in
your living room or home theater you can just go for a progressive
scan pc dvd drive now. Yes, they do exist, and they cost only about
$500. If you have a big enough pc monitor you don't even need a
multiscan projector/tv, you can just hook it up to the monitor. Check
out recent postings in alt.home-theater.misc for more info.
>2) Surely all this amazing sound & vision is only available if a decent
>(I.E. exspensive/specialised) sound & vision system is used. I hear all
>about this amazing Dolby Surround sound, amorphic stuff etc. Am I
>wasting my time and money getting a player and just plugging it into a
>bog standard Radio Rentals 27" TV ?
Well, 27" isn't very large, but you will definately see an improvement
over vhs no matter what. To beat laserdisc make sure you use at least
the s-video connection to hook up the player to your tv. Wether you
will benefit from the anamorphic 33% increase in vertical resolution
depends on your tv. If you have a 16:9 widescreen tv with a 'full'
mode you will, but, if you live in europe you may have a button on
your 4:3 tv to squeeze the image top-to-bottom, which will make it
possible for you to enjoy the wonderful world of anamorphic dvd
without an expensive 16:9 tv.
>3) In the UK, DVD discs are slowly emerging but as for DVD players, huh
>! No sign of a major all out attack and getting these things into all
>our homes. Is this Mini disc all over again? High prices and limited
>titles? Any idea on what the DVD situation is in the UK ?
Forget about the european market and buy your discs mail-order from
the US (region 1). I don't know much about the situation in the UK,
but overhere in the netherlands only a few shops sell region 2 discs,
and prices range between $30 and $40, while in the US i never pay more
than around $20. I believe www.dvdexpress.com is the cheapest, a lot
of discs from my last order were only $17.50! Besides the lower
price, region 1 has by far the biggest number of titles, better
mastering and always dolby digital sound.
Players is the same story. I got my player from the US, which saved
me about $700 including shipping and customs.
Sorry to clutter up the list with this, but i really want dvd to
succeed. More players sold means more discs for me to buy. Yummie :)
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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001 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - unsubscribing
002 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Bound & gagged
003 - Lela Kaunitz <lelak@heale - Issues
004 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - Re: Bound & gagged
005 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - Re: Bound & gagged
006 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Issues
007 - lyric <dalyric@writeme.co - Re: Bound & gagged
008 - Kate McFarland <winslet31 - Re: Bound & gagged
009 - "GimmeSomeLovin" <slw@cap - Re: unsubscribing
010 - PURPLEAVA@aol.com - Re: Issues
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: unsubscribing
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:18:42 +0200
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GimmeSomeLovin wrote:
>
> can someone please tell me how to get off this list?
No I can't...but if you just look up the page where you
subsribed...you'll defenately find the right addy. Write to that addy
(NOT to this one) and type 'unsubscribe' in the box...without the
quotation marks of course.
Take care
lyric
--
I dared not to meet the Daffodils
For fear their Yellow Gown
Would pierce me with a fashion
So foreign to my own
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: lyric <dalyric@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Bound & gagged
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:47:12 +0200
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Jeroen wrote:
> About BOUND, the unrated version features:
> - in one of the love scenes you see a hand at a certain place;
> - in 'the' love scene you hear groaning and moaning instead of music;
> - you actually see that that one guy's finger is clipped off.
> Anyway, enough material there to make your average TITANIC crowd
> uncomfortable.
I defenately saw THAT version of BOUND...I rented it with a friend. And
I don't know what she thought about it, but it didn't bother me at all.
> OK, i'll bite. Why is it not a lesbian issue? Or no, when would it
> have been a lesbian issue? I know about the saints theory, but i
> don't buy it.
Then what do you think? Far as I know, Ann Perry herself stated that
they were not lesbians. I am sure they loved eachother very much, and
more then that. But they adored the Saints, and those were all males. I
believe it's more like a men-will-never-understand-us-bond (ehhhh bound?
*grin*) and their fantasy took over reality.
But if you have arguments for their relationship being lesbian (other
then already written down on Adam's page), I'd love to hear them!
lyric
--
I dared not to meet the Daffodils
For fear their Yellow Gown
Would pierce me with a fashion
So foreign to my own
- Emily Dickinson, 1862
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From: Lela Kaunitz <lelak@healey.com.au>
Subject: Issues
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:52:57 +1000
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>OK, i'll bite. Why is it not a lesbian issue? Or no, when would it
>have been a lesbian issue? I know about the saints theory, but i
>don't buy it.
why does lesbianism even have to be "an issue", is my question?
lela
"C'mon, Gabrielle! Get your gear off!"
- Xena (Lucy Lawless)
XWP: FINS, FEMMES AND GEMS
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- Hilda Hulme (Diana Kent)
HEAVENLY CREATURES
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From: PURPLEAVA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bound & gagged
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:50:59 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-16 05:49:46 EDT, you write:
<< Which brings me onto an HC related issue. Despite my adoration of
HC, I
>feel very uncomfortable with the "Nights with the saints" scene if I
am
>watching it with female company. >>
I've found this too. At first I feel like I have to explain it, but
none of
the people I've ever watched this movie with have said anything about
it.
(Except my 13 year old sister and her friends, but I don't count them.)
Actually, when it was on a few weeks ago on BBC, I was in England on an
exchange program with school. I hyped up the film so much, telling
everyone
how great it was, that a considerable number of other people in the
boarding
house watched it with me. (Not to mention the fact that I had to fight
to get
the TV switched from a Tom Cruise movie in order to watch it. But HC
won!
Woohoo!) And when the "Night with the Saints" scene came on, there was
not
one comment. Even from the couple of sexually frustrated 16 year old
boys
watching it with us. And afterwards, several of the girls said it was a
brilliant film. So, once again, HC triumphs and I have won it a few
more
fans. Hey, I say the more of us there are, the better ;-)
Ava :)
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