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001 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Biggles of 266
002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Biggles of 266
003 - Baboon4444 <Baboon4444@ao - Goofs for HC
004 - StarScully <StarScully@ao - Re: Goofs for HC
005 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Goofs for HC
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Biggles of 266
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:07:31 +0100 (BST)
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Laurin wrote:
> Well, I must admit, I don't want to add this in for fear of
> blood thirsty attack, but I believe I *may* have found an error in the
> film(God help me!). Seems as though the "Biggles of 266" book used in
> the film had an original copyrigft of 1955, which was exactly one year
> AFTER the murder as we know.
We wouldn't flame you, Laurin!
After all, The Student Prince album (the red one with Mario's face on
it)
came out later than the events in the film, too. But no other album so
epitomises Mario - or looks quite so striking - so it's poetic license
to
use it; it strikes the right chord with an audience who may not know
anything about Mario other than his most famous album + film.
> However, I would like to think that Peter
> Jackson used a book within the time frame, so my information may be
> mixed, but, I did some extensive net surfing and believe it or not,
> those Biggles books are hot collectibles! The originals that is.
Yeah, I browsed a whole lot of them in London a while back to see if I
could get any HC-featured ones, but no, alas. The originals go for
anything from ten pounds upward, depending (I guess) on age and
availability.
I don't have any solid info here, but I'll check it out.
Cheers,
Phil
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Biggles of 266
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Laurin McNiff wrote:
>Seems as though the "Biggles of 266" book used in
>the film had an original copyrigft of 1955
I was there when they shot that scene. They had a few Biggles books in
a
pile. Kate and Mel were reading them to each other and Alun Bollinger
was
moving the camera back and forth and Peter would step in and switch
books. I think 266 ended up being picked during editing because the
cover
sort of photographed well and "explained" Biggles to the uninitiated.
The
illustration cuts real well with the shots of the girls "flying". So
it's
more artistic license than an anachronism.
During Peter's cameo, he falls back on the wall as the girls kiss him.
The poster behind him read "A Kiss Before Dying". That film was 1956. I
pointed that out during the rushes. Fran laughed and said "only you'd
know that, Jean". In the end the poster got cut out but it's only
because
of the rythm of that scene ("The Donkey Serenade" montage).
(:^)]
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From: Baboon4444 <Baboon4444@aol.com>
Subject: Goofs for HC
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:16:00 EDT
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I was on the IMDB, and reading the quotes/goofs/etc. for HC. It said
one was
when Pauline was getting out of the tub, but no water was heard. Does
anyone
know when this is? The only time she was in the tub alone didn't show
her
getting out.
Thanks!
Lauren
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From: StarScully <StarScully@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Goofs for HC
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 03:38:16 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-18 15:32:06 EDT, you write:
<< I was on the IMDB, and reading the quotes/goofs/etc. for HC. It
said one
was
when Pauline was getting out of the tub, but no water was heard. Does
anyone
know when this is? The only time she was in the tub alone didn't show
her
getting out.
Thanks!
Lauren >>
I'm guessing it's on the "Holy Grail" because it sure isn't on the
video I
have.
Janel
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
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> << I was on the IMDB, and reading the quotes/goofs/etc. for HC. It
said one
> was when Pauline was getting out of the tub, but no water was heard.
>
> I'm guessing it's on the "Holy Grail" because it sure isn't on the
video I
> have.
The IMDB means just before Pauline has her voice-overed argument with
Mum
in the corridor outside the bathroom.
There's a splash on my UK version, NZ Grail and US version, so I don't
know QUITE who sent that fact in! It's been there for years. Perhaps
someone would like to tell them.
Talking of the Grail, though, that scene is fascinatingly different in
it:
it ends not with a cut to Juliet discovering mum+Bloody Bill in bed, but
with the Reiper dinner table massacre. The music is all much more
broody,
the atmosphere pretty dark.
Cheers,
Phil
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001 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - Re: what led me to see HC?
002 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - Melanie Lynskey
003 - Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de - UK version
004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: UK version
005 - Baboon4444 <Baboon4444@ao - Quotes
006 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - Re: Goofs for HC
007 - HCJuliet <HCJuliet@aol.co - Re: Goofs for HC
008 - Jaime Darque Junior <darq - Re: Without Genre
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: what led me to see HC?
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT)
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My story.... (a little late I know but I have been busy lately.)
I have a list of films which I want to hire out of the video shop and
a lot of these are from long visits to the video store looking through
their stuff.
Being close to New Zealand (I'm in Australia) I had heard a fair bit
about the film and parts of the murder. So I must have picked Heavenly
Creatures up about 10 times before even hiring it out.
I'm not a big fan of violence (I always seem to cringe) so I sort of
thought it might not be my thing, fortunately I took the risk and
hired it.
So two days afterwards I sat down and watched it. And then I was
completely taken in.
:-))))))))))))))))))) Jane
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: Melanie Lynskey
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Yet again still don't know if this has been asked (I tried looking
through all the previous mailing lists on the 666.org site.... too
many.. too long - but I'm getting there). But is there any "fan" (I
hate the word but anyway) address (through snail-mail or e-mail) in
which I can contact Melanie?
This would be greatly appriciated as I wish to pass on my congrats for
a fine performance. Kate was good, but Melanie moved me far greater.
Perhaps it was because Pauline was the more central character but I
think it is just because Melanie is a brilliant actress.
Thanks :o)))), Jane
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From: Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de (Bettina.Hahn)
Subject: UK version
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:05:46 +0200
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Dear friends,
Today I got the tape with the English version of HC, and watching it I
found out that there are some scenes missing! Is this possible? For
example the one when they go on Easter holiday when they sit in the
car and sing, or the last picture of Pauline when she has blood all
over her face... how many versions are there of HC?
However, I really enjoyed the English version. I like Kateīs and Melīs
voices, although the German syncrons arenīt that bad, either.
*hugs*
Betty
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: UK version
Date: Tue, 19 May 98 15:30:03 -0400
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Bettina.Hahn wrote:
>For
>example the one when they go on Easter holiday when they sit in the
>car and sing, or the last picture of Pauline when she has blood all
>over her face... how many versions are there of HC?
Those two scenes are from the full NZ version (and according to some
sources, on the Australia version). They are not on the Miramax/US
version.
(:^)]
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From: Baboon4444 <Baboon4444@aol.com>
Subject: Quotes
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:33:13 EDT
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Along the IMDB lines, they have quotes for HC, but there are barely any
there!
We should all go to the site and send some more in! Like Juliet's
essay in
class, or the scene in the art room.
Lauren
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Goofs for HC
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:45:28 +1000 (EST)
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> Talking of the Grail, though, that scene is fascinatingly different
in it:
> it ends not with a cut to Juliet discovering mum+Bloody Bill in bed,
but
> with the Reiper dinner table massacre. The music is all much more
broody,
> the atmosphere pretty dark.
please excuse my ignorance.. what Reiper dinner table massacre?
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
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From: HCJuliet <HCJuliet@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Goofs for HC
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:36:58 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-19 18:59:08 EDT, you write:
<< please excuse my ignorance.. what Reiper dinner table massacre? >>
In the NZ version there is a scene where Pauline imagines Mrs.
Rieper
choking and Mr.Rieper getting stabbed with a fork. Its the " why could
no
mother die?" scene
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From: Jaime Darque Junior <darque@dedalus.lcc.ufmg.br>
Subject: Re: Without Genre
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:33:21 -0300
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> > What made you (member on the list) want to watch HC in the first >
> place?
Well, I watch Sense & Sensibility in the theater, and I think Kate is
wonderfull.Some
time after, I see the trailer and then I watch the movie. I love it.
These two movies
are my favorites since this day.
I'm not. I'm going to the fourth world. It's like heaven, but better,
cause are no
cristians there - KW as Juliet Hulme.
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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Off Topic: Orson vs. Godzilla!
002 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: Off Topic: Orson vs. Godzilla!
003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Off Topic: Orson vs. Godzilla!
004 - Kip Hoelscher <akira@iast - HC on IMDB
005 - Ken Grady <keng@intercoas - Re: Different versions of
Heavenly Creatures
006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Different versions of
Heavenly Creatures
007 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Different HCs, pt 1: Celluloid
008 - brsmith@nass.usda.gov - IMBD
009 - "B & B Library APCO" <LIB - IMBD -Reply
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Off Topic: Orson vs. Godzilla!
Date: Wed, 20 May 98 15:49:30 -0400
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Hey gang!
Just a reminder to Canadian listers (or those close enough to the
border
to get the CBC) that I will be appearing on "Midday" tomorrow (May
21st)
at 12 Noon.
For those with Cable and sattelites, the show also airs on CBC
Newsworld
at 3pm.
The topic will be the new Godzilla movie which has now captured the
title
of "most hated film of all time" in my book.
I'll be interviewed along with J.D. Lees, author of The Official
Godzilla
Compendium. We both will stomp all over this piece of celluloid crap.
E.Jean Guerin
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-Scriptwriting & Development
-Film related Events & Festivals
-Translation (English/French)
-Film Journalism & Criticism
-Research-Specializing in Pop-Culture and unusual Film & TV
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ACTOR - "Orson Welles" in Peter Jackson's Heavenly Creatures
also in Brian DePalma's "Snake Eyes"- coming August!
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Orson vs. Godzilla!
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:24:11 -0400
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Dear Jean/Creatures,
Pardon my ignorance, but, how can I access this with
standard cable (and being outside of Canada!)? Any info would be
appreciated.
Regards,
Laurin
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Orson vs. Godzilla!
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 00:31:47 -0400
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Laurin McNiff wrote:
>how can I access this with
>standard cable
I know some towns close to the US/Canada border get CBC. Some people
with
sattelite get Newsworld which is Canada's equivalent to CNN or BBC's
World News service.
I just went surfing and found out Midday can be heard via RealAudio (or
seen for those with Realvideo) on CBC's website at CBC's website at
www.cbc.ca
It broadcasts at 3PM EDT.
I'll be stomping all over this monster sized piece of manure.
What we need now is for Peter to be given the green light on KING KONG
again.
Only someone who truly loves the source material (like Peter and Fran
Walsh did for HC) can make a decent film from it. Godzilla's a sad
series
of cheats and cliches. You can tell the filmmakers have no love for the
Japanese originals.
Instead of giving us GODZILLA they give us a giant sized Jurassic Park
ripoff.
When KING KONG was in the works, I chatted with Fran on the phone and
suggested Kate play the Fay Wray role. Fran told me Kate had asked for
the role ("She's very keen on it"). The plan then was to set Kong in
the
same time period than the 30s original.
The movie was shelved for a bit in order not to compete with Godzilla
but
also because of MIGHTY JOE YOUNG. Too many big critters at once.
(:^)]
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From: Kip Hoelscher <akira@iastate.edu>
Subject: HC on IMDB
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:53:16 CDT
While we're on the subject of IMDB (my favorite site on the web), I
like
to ask a favor of the fine creatures on this list. See, after i
watched
HC for the first time (that story is coming soon, by the way) i noticed
that it was ranked around #80 on IMDB's top 250 movie list. but since
then it has been dropping gradually, and now it's ranked #106. I ask
for
anyone who hasn't done so to visit www.imdb.com, become a member (that
way your vote counts more or something), and vote a 10 for HC. I did
this a while ago, and you can only vote once. We need to get HC back
in
the top 100 at least!
Thanks alot,
Kip
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From: Ken Grady <keng@intercoast.com.au>
Subject: Re: Different versions of Heavenly Creatures
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:53:53 +1000
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Jane Fribit wrote:
> About an hour ago I finished watching HC for the second time. So
> brilliant.
>
> The video which I watched it from was the Australian release... and
> was only 95 minutes long. I did assume that we would have gotten the
> NZ one but obviously we didn't so I'm hanging out for a visit to NZ
> :o))))))
I've been trying to get the New Zealand version of Heavenly Creatures
since I found out about the different versions.
I found the following information on the different versions in an FAQ
for
HC that I found through the HC entry on the IMDB.
I then did a web search for video retailers in NZ and found one shop. I
phoned them and they said they would check if it's available and get
back
to me. I received an email a day later saying that it hasn't yet been
released for sell-through. It had only been released in NZ for rental
and is no longer available. My only chance would be to find a shop
selling an ex-rental copy.
I then asked them who the distributors are and was told it's Roadshow
NZ.
I phoned them and was told that they no longer have the rights for it,
and
to contact the film's producers, Wingnut Films.
The lady I spoke to at Wingnut said that there are no plans at the
moment
to re-release Heavenly Creatures on home video, but she suggested that I
send an email requesting that it be released, and that she would keep
emails as evidence that there is a demand for its re-release. The
phone
numbers and email address are as follows:
Roadshow 64 9 630 9203
Wingnut Films 64 4 388 8388
email: tanya@wingnutfilms.co.nz
She also gave me a web address for Wingnut Films which I can't get to
work
so I must have made an error when I wrote it down. I tried doing a web
search but couldn't find it.
This is what I wrote down: http://www.wetasx.co.nz
Ken
This following information on the different versions is from this
address:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/2194/
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5.9 The Different Versions of HC
Not everyone may be aware that Heavenly Creatures exists in more than
one version. Some versions have more
scenes, some are framed differently. A while back, I sat down and came
up with a pretty good breakdown on which
version is which, based on postings in the HC mailing list. My posting
to the list follows (adapted 10/5/96 to include
recent info and corrections regarding the NZ and STARZ versions). I
welcome any further clarification anyone can
provide.
(Note: if, like me, you'd like this extra material to be made more
widely available in a new video release, see my
Heavenly Crusade.)
To: HC_Mailing_List
From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
Subject: The 57 Versions Research Project
Some people spend their spare time out getting fresh air and exercise.
Me, I put on my lab coat, sat down, and
analyzed all the messages about the "57 varieties" of HC. (It was a
definite plan which I had intended to carry out
eventually.) Thought it would be of interest to some fellow Creatures,
so here's the synopsis:
BACKGROUND: As pointed out by Hideous Jean back in May, and reiterated
by the observant Jefferson, HC was
shot in a manner whereby the original negative was of relatively
TV-proportions, but only the middle third (approx.,
looks more like 3/5) was used, to create the wide-screen framing seen in
the theatre.
There are also extra scenes which didn't make it into the NAm theatrical
or video release: Bill Perry arriving at Ilam,
and Bill playing tennis at the Hulmes' garden party. Also, a longer cut
of the chap in the TB ward which shows him
harking up a bowlful of blood (cut short in NAm).
It's how the original negative was transferred to video, and which extra
scenes are included, that gives us the
different versions.
HYPOTHESIS: There are five versions. In order of increasing
desirability, they are:
1. NAm 1: Pan & Scan.
FORMAT: Someone transferred it to video as if the "middle third" was all
there was, using panning and scanning
(as Jefferson theorized). (Cue Diello: "Bloody Fool!") We lose lots of
precious detail and expressions in all the
constant back-and-forth. Although this is the worst way to see HC, such
is the power of this lovely film that it has
won over many viewers to Creaturedom even in this severely truncated
format.
SCENES: None of the three extra bits are present. It conforms to the
version released in NAm theatres.
2. NAm 2: Letterbox.
FORMAT: Better. Available on laserdisk (and possibly on tape too -
anyone?), this version maintains the theatrical
proportions, with black masking on the top and bottom.
SCENES: Still nothing extra over version 1, though.
3. STARZ Full Screen. (Sources: Bryan, Phil)
FORMAT: The entire theatrical framing is there, so nothing is cut off...
but even better, we get to see the _extra
stuff_ above and below.
SCENES: Alas, it's cut like 1 and 2 - except for the longer cut of the
Bowl o' Blood shot. This version may also
contain other trims and cuts removed for the NAm versions, though if
it's the case, no-one's pointed it out yet.
4. UK & OZ: Full Screen. (sources: Phil, Jean)
FORMAT: Like 3, the entire (or nearly so) original negative is used.
SCENES: Fentustic! The Bloody Bill's Arrival and Tennis at the Hulmes'
scenes are there. The Bowl o' Blood,
however, isn't.
5. NZ: Full Screen. (source: Brendan)
FORMAT: Like 3 and 4, the entire film frame is used. Nothing is missing.
SCENES: Welcome to the Holy Grail! All three scenes mentioned above are
present, plus even _more_ stuff not on
any other version (see "The NZ vs. Australian Version: A Comparison",
below).
So, as regards framing, the US philosophy is: make it fit the screen by
giving you less (pan & scan) or slavishly
maintaining the original framing (letterbox; "move along, nothing to see
behind those black bars!"). The
Euro/UK/Oz/NZ philosophy: make it fit the screen by giving you MORE!
Given the choice of less, the same, or more, I know which one I'd
choose. Of course, the "full-screen" version (3 and
4) is not really the intended framing, but as a completist I certainly
want to see it anyway! (I can always block off the
top and bottom of my TV if I want the "proper" framing.)
Hope this was helpful. Now to submit this study to the International
Journal of Comparative Televisual Studies.
Then I can get funding for a research trip to NZ!
Adam
The NZ vs. Australian version: a comparison
In September 1996, I recieved email from Brendan Moore in Auckland
describing, in exquisite detail, the scenes
visible in the NZ tape that aren't included in other versions. It was a
revelation! Brendan is now an honorary Saint as
far as I'm concerned! Following is his report.
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:46:26 GMT
X-Sender: nzmens@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net
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To:
From: NZ Mens Clinic
Subject: Heavenly Creatures - deleted scenes.
Status:
Hi.
Thought you might like a list of most scenes deleted from the Foreign
and their approximate timings.
I have viewed both versions.
Additional info: Heavenly Creatures opened wide in NZ on Friday October
14,
1994. It had previously been shown as part of the Auckland International
Film Festival in July/Aug 1994.
Two scenes of the Avon River and Christchurch's cyclists are delted from
the
newsreel prologue (total time 49 seconds)
The drive to Port Levy as the Hulmes and Pauline sing "How Much Is That
Doggy In The Window". (40 seconds)
Hilda Hulme refers to the girls as "my two daughters" outside the
holiday home
in Port Levy (not timed)
Helicopter shot of Pauline pursuing Juliet over the hills (10 seconds)
Sanitorium patient coughs bloody sputum into cup (2 seconds)
Borovnian is more graphically cleft in two by castle gate (1 second)
After Juliet picks up the gem stone a shot is shown of the two girls
dressed
as princesses on a Borovnian balcony raising their chalices in a toast
and then
"morphing" into their clay-sculpted figurines before cutting to the
shots of
"brown" and "grey" eyes. Pauline's verse refers to watching "the race of
men
decay and change". (10 seconds)
The girls fantasize about love scenes with James Mason and Mel Ferrer
after
stealing the family silver. Juliets says they cansimply murder any odd
wives
that might get in their way. (26 seconds)
A garden party at the Hulmes has Hilda and Bill Perry playing tennis as
the
girls roam the shrubbery consuming wine and grapes. They hurl a rock in
the
stream to soak Pauline's psychiatrists trousers. A flashback shows Hilda
at
dinner suggesting Bill stay with them to recuperate and Juliets romantic
vision of his arrival by ambulance segues into drab reality as he is
shown
to the servants quarters. Before a disciplinary committee Mr Hulme is
given
until the end of the year to resign his post and is seen weeping alone
in
his armchair as Hilda and Bill's laughter is heard from another room
while
they continue their affair. (3 minutes 40 seconds)
Hilda, upon being caught in bed with Bill, insists she was merely
bringing
him a cup of tea (10 seconds)
Pauline imagines her mother choking and her father impaling himself on a
knife at the dinner table. (1 minute 24 seconds)
The girls bedroom scene (A night with the saints) shows a banner S-I-N
unfurling and later bursting forth with blood. Borvnian peasants cheer
the
girls on from outside the window. (10 seconds)
Paulines final cry "NO" with her bloodied visage is seen in the final
shot.
The US version only features her cry on the soundtrack after fading to
black. (3 seconds)
Hope this is of interest.
Regards
Brendan Moore.
---------------------------------------------
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Different versions of Heavenly Creatures
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 09:21:25 -0400
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Ken Grady wrote:
>http://www.wetasx.co.nz
it's wetafx as in "effects".
(:^)]
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Different HCs, pt 1: Celluloid
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:01:22 +0100 (BST)
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Hi Creatures,
Ken's campaign to get hold of the NZ vid has led me back to a topic I
promised myself I would never start thinking about ever again... the 57
different versions of HC (the number is just an allusion to Heinz, and
to
Pauline's diaries, guys and FAQ readers, not a real guess at the number
of
HCs out there).
So, after literally seconds of thought, I have come up with the
following
scheme for beginning to think about why there are different versions.
You
have to think back to the film's initial release. Then it's clear that
there were/are 3 films: ---
(i) what was shown at the premiere in New Zealand. [NZ]
(ii) the Miramax release (dubbed the 'Disney' version by Jean, since
Disney own Miramax) which was trimmed from (i) by 12 minutes or so.
This
was done for US release, though it was also screened in the UK and
doubtless elsewhere. The point is that the shortened film was
originated
for release in the US and no further changes were made to these copies.
[US]
(iii) almost the same as (ii) but with the Hulme garden party scene
restored. Peter Jackson says in an interview somewhere that he thought
UK
audiences would appreciate the style of humour - and maybe he was a bit
mad at Miramax for demanding so many cuts to (ii). [UK]
The labels here (NZ, US, UK) define only which country a certain version
was screened FIRST in. Since the first round of screenings, things have
obviously got less easy to follow, with both US and UK cuts screened in
Europe and beyond. But as far as I can remember, no one has ever
mentioned seeing the NZ film screened outside New Zealand (remember, I'm
not talking video here). So I'd say that some of the US and UK prints
were dispersed for subtitling or dubbing (or whatever) whilst the NZ
prints have remained (infuriatingly) in New Zealand.
Video is a whole different ball game because of different kinds of
transfer (letterboxed, full frame etc etc) so maybe I'll got and drink
some margueritas now and get back to you on that one tomorrow. Off the
top of my head, there are at least 8 different English language video
HCs.
Cheers,
Phil
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From: brsmith@nass.usda.gov
Subject: IMBD
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 12:22:38 -0500
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Creatures,
I tried to go to the IMBD page (www.imbd.com) but I was
redirected to www.paratate.lv. It was some kind of bank.
Can someone tell me how to get to IMBD?
Thanks,
Brandi^^
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From: "B & B Library APCO" <LIB-APCO@balch.com>
Subject: IMBD -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:12:20 -0500
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I think you need to switch 'BD' to 'DB' :
www.imdb.com
hope that helps.
pam
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001 - Darko Jagarinec <darko.ja - unsubscribe
002 - RUbabes <RUbabes@aol.com> - Kate and Melanie News
003 - SHERIMER <SHERIMER@aol.co - Re: IMBD
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From: RUbabes <RUbabes@aol.com>
Subject: Kate and Melanie News
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:13:53 EDT
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Hello Creatures,
Found out some cool news today: Hideous Kinky (Kate's next project)
picked up
a US/Canadian Distributor at Cannes...Here's a copy of the HK related
info
from an article through Reuters/Variety:
<<Fox Searchlight Pictures has purchased the North and South American
rights
to the English comedy ``Waking Ned,'' the debut feature from commercial
director Kirk Jones ... Stratosphere Entertainment nabbed North American
rights to ``Xiu Xiu'' and to Gillies MacKinnon's ``Hideous Kinky'' with
Kate
Winslet ...>>
Very excited...seems to be slated for release in Fall. Still being
released in
UK in June from what I know.
On to Mel:
Drew Barrymore is on the cover of TV Guide this week, in a glob of
pictures
from summer movies. No Mel mentioned or pictured, but there is a small
write
up regarding 'Ever After: A Cinderella Story'...can't wait for it!
August 7th
here in the states...has anyone heard of a UK release date for this?
I'll be in England for about a month starting in early July, and am
hoping to
nab a viewing of HK...it would be cool to have a double feature with the
Heavenly Creatures!
Amn't I clever? Hee Hee Hee
-Jesse :)
KWH Admin...1-800-393-8026 PIN# 5512857#
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/8401/index.html
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From: SHERIMER <SHERIMER@aol.com>
Subject: Re: IMBD
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:12:29 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-21 13:50:47 EDT, you write:
<< IMBD >>
imDB.
http://www.imdb.com
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001 - plath3 <plath3@his.com> - Re: Unsubscribe
002 - Janna Longworth <janna23@ - "Ever After" trailer
003 - StarScully <StarScully@ao - Re: "Ever After" trailer
004 - Janna Longworth <janna23@ - Re: "Ever After" trailer
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From: Janna Longworth <janna23@earthlink.net>
Subject: "Ever After" trailer
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Saw the "Ever After" trailer, but I didn't see Melanie just Drew.
Actually they did show one of the stepsisters, but I don't think it was
her. Went by so fast. I'm sure it's just the first trailer though.
Looks interesting.
Janna
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 00:02:28 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-23 17:38:05 EDT, you write:
<< Saw the "Ever After" trailer, but I didn't see Melanie just Drew.
Actually they did show one of the stepsisters, but I don't think it
was
her. Went by so fast. I'm sure it's just the first trailer though.
Looks interesting.
Janna >>
Where did you see it? On television or in the movie theaters?
Janel
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 01:36:03 -0700
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StarScully wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-05-23 17:38:05 EDT, you write:
>
> << Saw the "Ever After" trailer, but I didn't see Melanie just Drew.
> Actually they did show one of the stepsisters, but I don't think it
was
> her. Went by so fast. I'm sure it's just the first trailer though.
> Looks interesting.
>
> Janna >>
>
> Where did you see it? On television or in the movie theaters?
>
> Janel
In the movie theaters... it was last week I think. When I saw "The
Horse Whisperer". I also work in a theatre, but it hasn't been shown
in
mine yet. It will probably be played here very soon. I'll keep
everyone
updated on it because it might be attached to a print soon and will run
the same way all over the country.
Janna
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001 - plath3 <plath3@his.com> - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n765
002 - Aretese <Aretese@aol.com> - Re: "Ever After" trailer
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Date: Sun, 24 May 98 14:44:53 -0000
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Please delete my name from this list.
Thank you.
Peter Latham
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From: Aretese <Aretese@aol.com>
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:22:03 EDT
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No, I didn't catch Mel either, but even without the HC connection this
movie
looks so awesome. Hopefully the film will be as unconventional as the
trailer
would have us believe. I saw it before 'Sliding Doors'.
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001 - plath3 <plath3@his.com> - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n766
002 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - The Unsubscribe List
003 - Shania610 <Shania610@aol. - Re: The Unsubscribe List
004 - Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot - Anne Perry on Justice Files
005 - Crazywrld5 <Crazywrld5@ao - Re: The Unsubscribe List--why
people unsubscribe
006 - Aileen Dayao <n9343700@ga - requesting for recomendations on
Anne Perry's books
007 - IrishEMT12 <IrishEMT12@ao - Re: Anne Perry on Justice Files
008 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - The Missing scenes
009 - "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca - Re: requesting for recomendations
on Anne Perry's books
010 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - Idiot
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Peter Latham
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: The Unsubscribe List
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:13:30 -0400
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Dear Creatures,
Seems as though our creatures are losing interest in this fab
list..and the annoyance of "Unsubscribe" threads are beginning to drive
me insane..I really hope more creatures subscribe and less beg to
unsubscribe.
Regards,
Laurin
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From: Shania610 <Shania610@aol.com>
Subject: Re: The Unsubscribe List
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:41:29 EDT
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I agree with you.....we need more people. I still find it hard to
believe that
i didnt know about the movie till about three weeks ago. it is
TERRIFFIC!!
(so, i cant spell. is that bad??) anyhow, I also just read the "Parker
and
HUlme: A lesbian view," book. Are there any more books out about the
movie???
thanks..... more later
karen
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From: Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Anne Perry on Justice Files
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:04:17 -0400
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Hi all,
That Justice Files episode with the HC-Anne Perry segment will be
airing on
the Discovery channel on June 4 @ 11pm. The title is Women Who Kill. I
came in late last time it aired and caught the end of the Anne Perry
interview.
Minh
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From: Crazywrld5 <Crazywrld5@aol.com>
Subject: Re: The Unsubscribe List--why people unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:10:06 EDT
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I don't think people are losing interest in Heavenly Creatures or this
list in
particular--it just takes a lot of patience to subscribe to a mailing
list.
You have to sift through tons of email, a lot of which is repetetive.
I think
what would help is if people make sure the subject of the email is
correct.
So I might read an "Ever After Preview" email but skip over "Re: why
Kate
isn't really fat." So if we keep the subjects accurate, people can
decide
which emails to read and which to dump--this makes the mailing list a
little
less cumbersome, and maybe we'll have less people unsubscribing.
:)Laura
<< Seems as though our creatures are losing interest in this fab
list..and the annoyance of "Unsubscribe" threads are beginning to drive
me insane..I really hope more creatures subscribe and less beg to
unsubscribe. >>
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From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: requesting for recomendations on Anne Perry's books
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:12:24 +1000 (EST)
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Hi =))
This is kinda off-topic, but I was wondering if anyone had any
recommendations of Anne Perry's books? I saw a few at the bookshop
yesterday and wasn't sure which to get..
Has anyone here read her books? What did you think of her writing style
etc?
__\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
(` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: IrishEMT12 <IrishEMT12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Anne Perry on Justice Files
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:07:10 EDT
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What time zone woul that be or is it just 11pm wherever you are ???
Wouldn't
want to miss it because of something like that.
Jennifer EMT-B
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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: The Missing scenes
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:34:54 +0100
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Hiya,
I found it very interesting about the scene differences between the Holy
Grail version and the British release. Reading through them, I can see
that at least no vital information was lost in the cutting room. But
why, on the US release, did they decide to cut out all references to
"Bloody" Bill Perry ? I would have thought, with him being so relevant
after the case (I.E. Juliet taking his name on release), that it should
have been kept in. But at least they kept the story in tact. Which is
more that I can say for Luc Besson's "Leon". When I watched it, I got
this feeling I had missed something. Then I read an article that
explained, the French version was about 20 minutes longer, and had been
cut so as to be more palatable for us sensitive English types !
Stephen.
P.S Despite the cutting, Leon is still a damn fine film.
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From: "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>
Subject: Re: requesting for recomendations on Anne Perry's books
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:04:03 -0400
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Hi There Aileen,
I'm in the process of reading "The Cater Street Hangman". It's pretty
darn
good.
My first venture into Anne's world.
Wow, what a trip it is to think that I'm actually reading the (most
excellent) prose of Juliet Hulme!!!!
Charles
----------
> From: Aileen Dayao <n9343700@garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au>
> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
> Subject: requesting for recomendations on Anne Perry's books
> Date: 25 mai, 1998 22:12
>
>
> Hi =))
>
> This is kinda off-topic, but I was wondering if anyone had any
> recommendations of Anne Perry's books? I saw a few at the bookshop
> yesterday and wasn't sure which to get..
>
> Has anyone here read her books? What did you think of her writing
style
> etc?
>
> __\\|//__ take care- justmeeh.. Aileen.
> (` o-o ') mailto:n9343700@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
> ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- http://www.st.nepean.uws.edu.au/~adayao/index.html
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: Idiot
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:16:55 -0500
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Hi all!
Third post in less than 10 minutes. Sorry. I was reading about KW in
KWFC and other places and I've got the stupid feeling of jelausly when
reading about Threappleton or whatever is his name. I feel like such an
idiot. Sorry if the topic seems to be absurd but I needed to tell to
someone.
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
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001 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - Heavenly leaving
002 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - Copyright
003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: The Missing scenes
004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Copyright
005 - Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit - Re: "Ever After" trailer
006 - Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilt - Re: Copyright
007 - Leanne McMahon <leanne.mc - PJ site
008 - LaSkA 4 u <LaSkA4u@aol.co - Re: Idiot
009 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - So right !
010 - "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca - Re: Idiot
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: Heavenly leaving
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:11:13 -0500
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Hi all!
It's true that some people is leaving this list. It's also true that
the
subjects are not always as smart or inetresting as we would expect. I
think that we should keep interest in every subject we discuss, because
everyone is different and maybe we all keep a particular interest in one
topic around HC. Lets answer all the postings and try to be more
dynamic.
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: Copyright
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:14:26 -0500
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Hi creatures!
Does anyone of you knows about the author rights of using classical
music
and opera on movies? If I want to make a home movie and I want to use
one
extract from one particular opera, but I have not the money to hire an
orchestra and a sopprano, then what happen? I guess I can not use a
recording with carreras and pavaroti. Maybe the hideous man could
answer
this for me. :)
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: The Missing scenes
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 12:41:09 -0400
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Stephen Bull wrote:
>I can see
>that at least no vital information was lost in the cutting room.
What about the line uttered by Mrs. Hulme at the Christmas Cottage:
"My daughter and ... my foster daugther"
?
I'd say that was a vital line. It explains where Pauline got this idea
she'd be adopted by the Hulmes.
(:^)]
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Copyright
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 12:57:03 -0400
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Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo wrote:
>Does anyone of you knows about the author rights of using classical
music
>and opera on movies? If I want to make a home movie and I want to use
one
>extract from one particular opera, but I have not the money to hire an
>orchestra and a sopprano, then what happen? I guess I can not use a
>recording with carreras and pavaroti. Maybe the hideous man could
answer
>this for me. :)
The hideous man?
The good news is Classical Music is public domain so you don't have to
pay rights to the composer.
The bad news is the performances are copyrighted.
There are "Music Banks" and Libraries which can provide you with public
domain classical selections at real low cost.
(:^)]
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From: Tine Nielsen <tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk>
Subject: Re: "Ever After" trailer
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:29:57 +0200
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Hi Creatures,
At 17:24 23-05-98 -0700, you wrote:
>Saw the "Ever After" trailer, but I didn't see Melanie just Drew.
>Actually they did show one of the stepsisters, but I don't think it
was
>her. Went by so fast. I'm sure it's just the first trailer though.
>Looks interesting.
They mension Cinderella in the June issue of Empire, and they also
mention
Melanie as "the heavenly creature who wasn't Kate Winslet".
Cheers,
Passer borovnius var hafniensis.
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"When everything gets tough, denials all we have"
tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk/bridehead@hotmail.com
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From: Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilton@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Copyright
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:30:32 -0400
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A clarification:
"Classical" music, provided it is old enough (composed before 1923 -
that's
to say 75 years old or more), along with any other music also 75 years
old
or more, is in the public domain. This is the case in all countries that
adhere to the 1989 Berne Copyright Treaty (which is just about all of
them,
including western Europe, Scandinavia, North and South America, Japan,
Australia, New Zealand, and most of Africa and Asia - there are a few
exceptions, but I don't know which right off the top of my head).
Jeff Hamilton - the capitalist
http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffhamilton/
to join the 461 (network), send a message to four.six.one@mindspring.com
and hope for the best
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From: Leanne McMahon <leanne.mcmahon@virgin.net>
Subject: PJ site
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:30:06 +0100
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Is anyone else having trouble getting into TBHL?
-Leanne
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From: LaSkA 4 u <LaSkA4u@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Idiot
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:10:26 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-26 12:37:46 EDT, you write:
<< Hi all!
Third post in less than 10 minutes. Sorry. I was reading about KW in
KWFC and other places and I've got the stupid feeling of jelausly when
reading about Threappleton or whatever is his name. I feel like such
an
idiot. Sorry if the topic seems to be absurd but I needed to tell to
someone.
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
>>
hey you are right! ive been on the list for a while but i have never
posted
before because i had nothing interesting to say, but i must admit that
i get
jealous of this jim guy too, yeh i know it is stupid but since jose
admited
it, i will too...hehehe =)
~joanna~
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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: So right !
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:41:46 +0100
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Jean worote :
What about the line uttered by Mrs. Hulme at the Christmas Cottage:
"My daughter and ... my foster daugther"
?
I'd say that was a vital line. It explains where Pauline got this idea
she'd be adopted by the Hulmes.
You are so right ! ....but apart from that ! LOl
Anyway, I lent my copy of HC to a friend at work for the second time !
She enjoys it because she is having daughter/Friend problem at the
moment and I keep ribbing her about getting the "Stocking and Brick"
treatment ! Nut the biggest suprise was her youngest daughter loves it,
and she is only 10 ! She has watched it twice so far ! I have some
reservations about letting a 10 year old watch this.
Anyway, thats all for the moment .
Stephen.
P.S who is this "Threappleton" character ?
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Jean worote :
<BR><I>What about the line uttered by Mrs. Hulme at the Christmas
Cottage:</I><I></I>
<P><I>"My daughter and ... my foster daugther"</I><I></I>
<P><I>?</I><I></I>
<P><I>I'd say that was a vital line. It explains where Pauline got this
idea</I>
<BR><I>she'd be adopted by the Hulmes.</I><I></I>
<P>You are so right ! ....but apart from that ! LOl
<P>Anyway, I lent my copy of HC to a friend at work for the second time
! She enjoys it because she is having daughter/Friend problem at the
moment
and I keep ribbing her about getting the "Stocking and Brick" treatment
! Nut the biggest suprise was her youngest daughter loves it, and she is
only 10 ! She has watched it twice so far ! I have some reservations
about
letting a 10 year old watch this.
<P>Anyway, thats all for the moment .
<P>Stephen.
<BR> P.S who is this "Threappleton" character ?</HTML>
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From: "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>
Subject: Re: Idiot
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:07:51 -0400
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Make that three of us.
I've been calling him "ugly boy" behind his back even though it's a
shallow
thing to do, it's not true and, well, I don't even know the guy.
Makes my wife laugh at me (yes, she's very patient and understanding of
little flawed me)
Charles
----------
> From: LaSkA 4 u <LaSkA4u@aol.com>
> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
> Subject: Re: Idiot
> Date: 26 mai, 1998 15:10
>
> In a message dated 98-05-26 12:37:46 EDT, you write:
>
> << Hi all!
> Third post in less than 10 minutes. Sorry. I was reading about KW
in
> KWFC and other places and I've got the stupid feeling of jelausly
when
> reading about Threappleton or whatever is his name. I feel like
such an
> idiot. Sorry if the topic seems to be absurd but I needed to tell to
> someone.
>
> Thanks for reading
>
>
> José Antonio
> >>
>
> hey you are right! ive been on the list for a while but i have never
posted
> before because i had nothing interesting to say, but i must admit
that i
get
> jealous of this jim guy too, yeh i know it is stupid but since jose
admited
> it, i will too...hehehe =)
>
> ~joanna~
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001 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: So right !
002 - Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot - Re: Justice Files and HC in EW
003 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Idiot
004 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Justice Files and HC in EW
005 - plath3 <plath3@his.com> - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n768
006 - "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca - Re: Idiot
007 - "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca - Re: Justice Files and HC in EW
008 - SHERIMER <SHERIMER@aol.co - New Creatures
009 - antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =? - Re: So right !
010 - antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =? - Re: New Creatures
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: So right !
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 18:22:18 -0400
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Stephen Bull wrote:
>"My daughter and ... my foster daugther"
>
>?
>
>I'd say that was a vital line. It explains where Pauline got this idea
>she'd be adopted by the Hulmes.
>
>You are so right ! ....but apart from that ! LOl
Apart from that?
The crowd of Borovnian peasants gathered outside the window where
Pauline
and Juliet are taking a bath, demanding something be done about Hilda.
The dinner where we see how mature a view Pauline has of murder.
The Hulmes' garden party where we get to see how deep the adults' world
of lies is.
The shot of the other patient coughing up blood giving a sense of dread
to the place Juliet was dumped. This makes her look less like she may
have been a spoiled whiner as some people have made her to be.
The US version is slightly slicker looking but less meaty than the
Grail.
When I saw the Grail, I thought I was seeing this film for the first
time. I have trouble watching the US cut now. The missing scenes bug me.
The worst thing about the US video version is the awful "pan & scan"
they
used which creates too many shots of one of the girls talking to a nose.
The Grail gives the full frame off the negative. It's only slightly
trimmed on the sides but gains image top and bottom.
(:^)]
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From: Minh Pham <phamminh@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Justice Files and HC in EW
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:55:18 -0400
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At 01:07 AM 5/26/98 EDT, you wrote:
>What time zone woul that be or is it just 11pm wherever you are ???
Wouldn't
>want to miss it because of something like that.
>
>Jennifer EMT-B
>
That would be 11pm eastern. I'm sure most of the US gets Discovery
channel. Anyways, I don't know if this was mentioned or not, but in the
May 15 issue of EW, HC is mentioned. It's under Video-Rent Check which
has
quotes from random celebrities recent video rentals. Veronica Webb's
(gorgeous model type who wrote Veronica Webb Site and got reamed on
Howard
Stern) latest rental was HC. Here's the text:
"You know what I watched? Heavenly Creatures again, and I forgot that
Kate
Winslet was even in that movie. I wanted to see some claymation."
Well there you go. Some people see the story of an intense friendship
gone
wrong, others see a tragic lesbian relationship, and some view it as
class
struggle. But the others just wanna see some good ol fashioned
claymation!
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Idiot
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 19:14:10 -0400
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MC Frappier wrote:
>I've been calling him "ugly boy" behind his back even though it's a
shallow
>thing to do, it's not true and, well, I don't even know the guy.
It never ceases to amaze me how people get involved emotionally with
images on the screen. Their relationships are part of their private
lives.
To be jealous of someone you don't even know is a really unhealthy
emotion.
Stalkers begin that way and it spins out of control.
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Justice Files and HC in EW
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 19:18:58 -0400
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Minh Pham wrote:
>I wanted to see some claymation."
Claymation?
Those were rubber suits! (Like the good old Godzilla movies).
The shot where a Borovnain gets sliced in two is a digital composite.
The budget for HC was $2.2 million. It never ceases to amaze me when
people attribute HC with effects their budget prohibited. One of those
is
my appearance: at the Toronto Film Festival, reporters kept asking
Peter
how he "Gumped" Orson into his film. They thought I was a special
effect!
(:^)]
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Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n768
Date: Tue, 26 May 98 21:16:15 -0000
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Please delete my name from this list.
Peter Latham
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From: "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>
Subject: Re: Idiot
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:21:19 -0400
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Well, not if it's all in fun.
I like to think that most of us are balanced enough! <smile>
Charles
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> From: E. Jean Guerin <orson@videotron.ca>
> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
> Subject: Re: Idiot
> Date: 26 mai, 1998 19:14
>
> MC Frappier wrote:
>
> >I've been calling him "ugly boy" behind his back even though it's a
shallow
> >thing to do, it's not true and, well, I don't even know the guy.
>
> It never ceases to amaze me how people get involved emotionally with
> images on the screen. Their relationships are part of their private
> lives.
>
> To be jealous of someone you don't even know is a really unhealthy
> emotion.
>
> Stalkers begin that way and it spins out of control.
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From: "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca>
Subject: Re: Justice Files and HC in EW
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:22:59 -0400
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E. Jean Guérin writes:
>They thought I was a special effect!
You're pretty darn special to us!
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> From: E. Jean Guerin <orson@videotron.ca>
> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
> Subject: Re: Justice Files and HC in EW
> Date: 26 mai, 1998 19:18
>
> Minh Pham wrote:
>
> >I wanted to see some claymation."
>
> Claymation?
>
> Those were rubber suits! (Like the good old Godzilla movies).
>
> The shot where a Borovnain gets sliced in two is a digital composite.
>
> The budget for HC was $2.2 million. It never ceases to amaze me when
> people attribute HC with effects their budget prohibited. One of
those is
> my appearance: at the Toronto Film Festival, reporters kept asking
Peter
> how he "Gumped" Orson into his film. They thought I was a special
effect!
>
> (:^)]
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From: SHERIMER <SHERIMER@aol.com>
Subject: New Creatures
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:47:57 EDT
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Hello all,
This is just a little post. I introduced three friends of mine to HC
this
weekend. The reactions were mixed but they all agreed that it was very
good.
They were especially moved by the ending. As I think we all were.
Watching it with them though reminded me that this movie has a lot of
comedey
to the new viewer. When Paul is "dying" and Juliet shouts "Don't!"
That's
funny. I guess it's a case of once you've seen a joke it's not as funny
the
second time, or the third, fourth, etc....
--Steve
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From: antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Antonio Abad
Trillo)
Subject: Re: So right !
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:28:02 -0500
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>Anyway, thats all for the moment .
>
>Stephen.
> P.S who is this "Threappleton" character ?
>
Is Kate's boyfriend
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From: antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Antonio Abad
Trillo)
Subject: Re: New Creatures
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:27:42 -0500
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>Hello all,
>
>This is just a little post. I introduced three friends of mine to HC
this
>weekend. The reactions were mixed but they all agreed that it was very
good=
.
>They were especially moved by the ending. As I think we all were.
>Watching it with them though reminded me that this movie has a lot of
comed=
ey
>to the new viewer. When Paul is "dying" and Juliet shouts "Don't!"
That's
>funny. I guess it's a case of once you've seen a joke it's not as
funny the
>second time, or the third, fourth, etc....
>
>
>--Steve
I agree. In fact, the last time I saw the scene I felt the pain of the
loneliness of Juliet.
Thanks for reading
Jos=E9 Antonio
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001 - antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =? - Re: Idiot
002 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n769
003 - Shania610 <Shania610@aol. - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n769
004 - brsmith@nass.usda.gov - Can someone please help me?
005 - plath3 <plath3@his.com> - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n769
006 - brsmith@nass.usda.gov - Re[2]: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n769
007 - brsmith@nass.usda.gov - Re[2]: So right !
008 - "MC Frappier" <mc@oil.ca - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n769
009 - avaadore@juno.com (Ava Ad - The Grail and the Parker Hulme
book
010 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Re[2]: So right !
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From: antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Antonio Abad
Trillo)
Subject: Re: Idiot
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:28:05 -0500
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>Well, not if it's all in fun.
>I like to think that most of us are balanced enough! <smile>
>
>Charles
>
>----------
>> From: E. Jean Guerin <orson@videotron.ca>
>> To: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
>> Subject: Re: Idiot
>> Date: 26 mai, 1998 19:14
>>
>> MC Frappier wrote:
>>
>> >I've been calling him "ugly boy" behind his back even though it's a
>shallow
>> >thing to do, it's not true and, well, I don't even know the guy.
>>
>> It never ceases to amaze me how people get involved emotionally with
>> images on the screen. Their relationships are part of their private
>> lives.
>>
>> To be jealous of someone you don't even know is a really unhealthy
>> emotion.
>>
>> Stalkers begin that way and it spins out of control.
And if you get in love with the character it becomes worst, because you
love and care for someone that even do not exist. :)
Las emociones, si son juzgadas, jamas seran comprendidas; si son
comprendidas, entonces no podran ser juzgadas. Juzgue al amor porque no
sabia amar, pero aprendi a amar el dia que no supe juzgar. Juzgo porque
temo ser juzgado. Juzgo porque le temo a lo que juzgo, si no, no
importaria juzgarlo. El dia que pierdes un sue&o, pierdes un dia de
vida y
un motivo para estar vivo. (No pongo tildes porque se pierde el
caracter
en internet) Jose Antonio Abad
Whenever you loose a dream, you loose one day on your life and one
reason
to be alive.
Thanks for reading
Jos=E9 Antonio
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n769
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:51:15 -0700 (PDT)
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It was the second time I saw the Pauline "I'm dying" Juliet "Don't"
scene that I laughed the most. In fact it was the second time when I
saw that film that I saw the more funny side of it. I think was
nervous the first time about the whole violent stuff. Always a cringer.
:-))) Jane
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From: SHERIMER <SHERIMER@aol.com>
Subject: New Creatures
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:47:57 EDT
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Hello all,
This is just a little post. I introduced three friends of mine to HC
this
weekend. The reactions were mixed but they all agreed that it was very
good.
They were especially moved by the ending. As I think we all were.
Watching it with them though reminded me that this movie has a lot of
comedey
to the new viewer. When Paul is "dying" and Juliet shouts "Don't!"
That's
funny. I guess it's a case of once you've seen a joke it's not as funny
the
second time, or the third, fourth, etc....
--Steve>>
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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From: Shania610 <Shania610@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n769
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 03:05:58 EDT
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In a message dated 5/27/98 2:03:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
recurring@yahoo.com writes:
<< It was the second time I saw the Pauline "I'm dying" Juliet "Don't"
scene that I laughed the most. In fact it was the second time when I
saw that film that I saw the more funny side of it. I think was
nervous the first time about the whole violent stuff. Always a cringer.
:-))) Jane
>>
I am almost scared to say this, for fear of being laughed at or tossed
off the
list. i was not all that wild about the movie when i saw it the first
time.
The violence and all the flashbacks. But it was quick to grow on me. I
agree,
I always cringe and dont like scary movies either. it took a lot for me
to
watch the ending a second time. i had to stop, and at one point, could
only
listen..
karen
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From: brsmith@nass.usda.gov
Subject: Can someone please help me?
Date: Wed, 27 May 98 07:47:14 -0500
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Hello fellow Creatures,
This is sort of off the subject, but it has something to do
with
a fantasy world similar to the Fourth World (or am I
stretching?)
Anyway, when I was in elementary school, we read this book.
The
story still sticks with me today but I can not remember the
title
or the author. (I was in the first grade, what did I care
about
authors?) It was about a group of kids, I think they were
orphans, who were all physically disabled. I know that they,
or
at least something, couldn't walk. The hospital/care facility
that they lived in was cold, gray and dull. They all had one
really good friend, a nurse who worked at the hospital/care
facility and she encouraged them to use their imaginations to
escape their dull, cold, gray lives. They started daydreaming
together about a world that was full of dandelions, green
grass,
trees-you know, a clean, bright, natural world.
Then one night, one of the kids daydreams on his own, and
when
the nurse comes in, she finds a dandelion stuck to his
pajamas.
There's no way possible that he could have gotten a dandelion
where he is because it's winter I think and there's no
dandelions
anywhere near.
Turns out, the power of their imagination makes it possible
for
them all to go to their 'fourth world' (they don't call it
that,
it just sounds right to me) and the nurse goes with them. I
can't
remember exactly how it ends, but I know that they find a
cabin
and this friendly guy with a real big dog shows up and helps
them
out.
Anyone know what this book is, or do you think I made this up
in
a delusional dream? If you have ANY ideas, please respond
because
I've been looking for this book for a long time. I love
children's literature and I love fantasy.
Thanks for any help!
-Brandi^^
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Date: Wed, 27 May 98 10:13:51 -0000
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From: brsmith@nass.usda.gov
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Date: Wed, 27 May 98 09:40:50 -0500
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>The worst thing about the US video version is the awful "pan & scan"
they
>used which creates too many shots of one of the girls talking to a
nose.
>(:^)]
I agree. I hate pan & scan, and usually you don't have much
choice when buying videos. I prefer widescreen with all of my
films. More television networks are showing films in
widescreen,
but only stations like Turner Classic Movies and American
Movie
Classics. Never do they show films in their original versions
on
stations like HBO or Showtime or the 'Big 4.' It annoys the
*&^%$#@@ out of me!!
Which leads to the question I was going to ask-is there a
widescreen version available of HC? I've never seen it if
there
is. I was one of those who discovered the film after it was
out
of the theaters. Of course I live in Arkansas and I doubt the
film was even shown in this state. It's pretty culturally
backwards, if you haven't noticed.
-Brandi^^
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From: avaadore@juno.com (Ava Adore)
Subject: The Grail and the Parker Hulme book
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:47:16 -0400
References: <199805262220.PAA16880@lists1.best.com>
Dearest Creatures,
Is this version of the movie available ANYWHERE? I mean, it sounds like
it was amazing and I have to wonder if anyone knows where to get a
copy?
I figure it may be out of print now or something, am I right? (I hope
not)
Also, Can someone send me the name of the author and the publisher for
the book "Parker and Hulme, a Lesbian View" I would like to get this
book but have to have it ordered.
Heavenly,
Ava
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: So right !
Date: Wed, 27 May 98 12:58:12 -0400
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brsmith@nass.usda.gov wrote:
>Which leads to the question I was going to ask-is there a
> widescreen version available of HC?
There is the laserdisc version. It's the widescreen US cut.
The Grail offers almost all of that picture and then some. Peter and
Alun
shot it with extra information on the negative. They framed for
widescreen but opened up the frame to get extra info which they could
add
to the video copy rather than have to cut into the frame.
Unfortunately the US version was created from a widescreen print rather
than the full frame negative like the NZ version
(:^)]
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001 - Baboon4444@aol.com - Pauline's motto/New Creatures
002 - brsmith@nass.usda.gov - Re: Pauline's motto/New Creatures
003 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Re: Can someone please help me?
004 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n769
005 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: The Grail and the Parker
Hulme book
006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: The Grail and the Parker
Hulme book
007 - Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.c - The scary bit!! ;-)
008 - Lady_Raevyn@webtv.net (Sa - Re: The scary bit!! ;-)
009 - Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de - Re: The scary bit!! ;-)
010 - Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de - Re: So right !
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From: Baboon4444@aol.com
Subject: Pauline's motto/New Creatures
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:43:57 EDT
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I just had to tell people who would understand- I was watching Kate and
Allie
and a professor (really mean too!) said "Eat, drink, and be merry for
tommorrow. . ." And I was all set for him to say "you may be dead!",
so I
shouted it out. But he didn't :(
And as a little side note, I have to admit my sister and I giggle
everytime
that "Don't!!" line comes up.
Lauren
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I hope when you shouted "you may be dead" you said it with
the
accent, and said "you may be deed!"
:):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
-Brandi^^
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I just had to tell people who would understand- I was watching Kate and
Allie
and a professor (really mean too!) said "Eat, drink, and be merry for
tommorrow. . ." And I was all set for him to say "you may be dead!",
so I
shouted it out. But he didn't :(
And as a little side note, I have to admit my sister and I giggle
everytime
that "Don't!!" line comes up.
Lauren
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Subject: Re: Can someone please help me?
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:01:25 -0500 (EST)
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AUTHOR: Key, Alexander, 1904-
TITLE: The magic meadow.
PLACE: Philadelphia,
PUBLISHER: Westminster Press
YEAR: 1975
--==** melanthe alexian **==--
...she just slipped away...
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:39:58 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-27 03:11:21 EDT, you write:
<< I am almost scared to say this, for fear of being laughed at or
tossed off
the
list. i was not all that wild about the movie when i saw it the first
time.
The violence and all the flashbacks. But it was quick to grow on me. I
agree,
I always cringe and dont like scary movies either. it took a lot for
me to
watch the ending a second time. i had to stop, and at one point, could
only
listen..
karen
>>
yeh i agree, i watched the whole thing through the first time and i
cried for
paul's mother when they were killing her......then the second time i
couldnt
even watch it because it was very disturbing.....dont get me wrong, i
loved
the movie but i just thought that was a little scary thats all.... =)
~joanna~
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Subject: Re: The Grail and the Parker Hulme book
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:43:30 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-27 11:19:33 EDT, you write:
<< Dearest Creatures,
Is this version of the movie available ANYWHERE? I mean, it sounds
like
it was amazing and I have to wonder if anyone knows where to get a
copy?
I figure it may be out of print now or something, am I right? (I hope
not)
>>
i dont know if we are talking about the same version of the movie but
i went
into a sam goody and asked them to order it for me (no extra cost).
hope i
helped! =)
~joanna~
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: The Grail and the Parker Hulme book
Date: Thu, 28 May 98 00:47:44 -0400
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LaSkA4u@aol.com wrote:
><< Dearest Creatures,
>
> Is this version of the movie available ANYWHERE? I mean, it sounds
like
> it was amazing and I have to wonder if anyone knows where to get a
copy?
> I figure it may be out of print now or something, am I right? (I hope
> not)
> >>
> i dont know if we are talking about the same version of the movie but
i went
>into a sam goody and asked them to order it for me (no extra cost).
hope i
>helped! =)
She was referring to the NZ cut. That cut is not the one you'll get
commercially in the US. The only version available is the Miaramax cut
in
"pan & scan" VHS or Letterboxed Laserdisc.
Unfortunately, word is the film is out of print in NZ as well. (It also
had the problem of being in PAL, a different broadcast standard)
(:^)]
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From: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
Subject: The scary bit!! ;-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:49:54 +0100
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Hi there!
This is actually my first post coz I wasn't sure which address to write
=
to, so I hope this gets thru!!
Anyway, I'm just replying to what Karen said, I *still* haven't watched
=
all of the murder scene coz I just can't cope with it!!! Even though I
=
watch HC nearly every day, mostly not in it's entirity coz I haven't
got =
time(!!), I just don't like watching stuff like that, I've seen bits of
=
it + heard it all but I just haven't watched it altogether!! I mean I =
have to admit that HC is the first 'horror' type film I've ever watched
=
coz I watched a bit of one when I was about 7 and it's only now, 9 yrs =
later that I've got over it!!! Crazy huh?? I guess u could say I have
=
a slightly over active imagination coz I utterly believe whatever's =
going on (which is obviously good with HC coz it's real) + it scares me
=
beyond belief!!!
Also, this might sound dumb, but does anyone else cry their eyes out at
=
the end?? I just sobbed + sobbed the 1st time I saw it + I watched it =
with a friend the other day + she couldn't see why I was crying so =
muh!!! Am I just weird??? Or has anyone else done the same??
And I was talking about it in class once + saying how Juliet + Pauline =
should have at least been able to see eachother coz theyloved eachother
=
so much that they shouldn't have been separated for ever + everyone =
thought I was barmy!!! (incidentally does anyone know, have they ever =
seen eachother again??)
Well, I seem to have babbled for ages - Sorry!!!
love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
Gem*
"I"m not, I'm going to the fourth world, it's like heaven, only better =
because there aren't any christians!" - Juliet Hulme in Heavenly =
Creatures
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From: Lady_Raevyn@webtv.net (Sasha)
Subject: Re: The scary bit!! ;-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 05:10:01 -0400
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<<Does anyone else cry their eyes out at the end???>>
Gem I did the first time i saw it. I rented it last night and i watched
it and cryed again. So if your weird for crying about it. Then so am I.
: )
Sasha
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From: Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de (Bettina.Hahn)
Subject: Re: The scary bit!! ;-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:40:02 +0200
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> Also, this might sound dumb, but does anyone else cry their eyes out
at the end??
I did! And I still do whenever I watch it (Which is very often...)
>Am I just weird???
No, youīre not.
> And I was talking about it in class once + saying how Juliet +
Pauline should
> have at least been able to see eachother coz theyloved eachother so
much
> that they shouldn't have been separated for ever + everyone thought
I was
> barmy!!! (incidentally does anyone know, have they ever seen
eachother
> again??)
They didnīt. I thought about it too. I think the ones who donīt
understand Heavenly Creatures wonīt understand people who are going
crazy or obsessed about it...
*hugs*
Betty
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Subject: Re: So right !
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:40:01 +0200
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I heard she was going to marry him. Is it true? (I wouldnīt mind, I
donīt even know anything about him)
José Antonio Abad Trillo schrieb:
>
> >Anyway, thats all for the moment .
> >
> >Stephen.
> > P.S who is this "Threappleton" character ?
> >
> Is Kate's boyfriend
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> |
> |
> | Cuanto mas grande la cabeza, mas fuerte la jaqueca. |
> | The bigger the head, the bigger the headache
|
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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001 - Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.c - So nice to know I'm not weird!!
:-)
002 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - RE: So right !
003 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - RE: So nice to know I'm not
weird!! :-)
004 - crystal <beckwith@Oswego. - Re: So nice to know I'm not
weird!! :-)
005 - "B & B Library APCO" <LIB - HC article
006 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - RE: So right !
007 - Berryface@aol.com - Re: HC article
008 - Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilt - HC article (if you don't have
Word Perfect)
009 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: Can someone please help me?
010 - brsmith@nass.usda.gov - Re[2]: Can someone please help me?
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From: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
Subject: So nice to know I'm not weird!! :-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:41:31 +0100
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hELLO YOU WONDERFUL HEAVENLY CREATURES! :-)
Oops all in capitals!! sorry!!=20
You guys replied so quickly I was amazed!!! :-)
Thanx everyone for telling me I'm not *that* weird after all!! :-)
ok, I'm now on a mission to prove I honestly am mad it seems coz I now =
have to ask, this s so embarrassing, has anyone tried making a =
Borovnia?? Y'know out of plasticine + stuff, coz, I tried + it worked =
kinda well but I didn't have plasticine so i made it out of flour + =
water + didn't varnish them in time so the went mouldy which was
vile!!! =
I DO NOT believe I just told the entire list that!!!! :-) AAaaah!!! =
I'm insane!! No! I'm mad, I'm stark raving mad!!! :-)
Oh + Betty, you're so right about the people who haven't seen HC or =
aren't manic over it like us, they can't possibly understand!!! But =
when I showed it to the friend i was talking about before, it was so =
weird because when Juliet's on the bridge she said "Oh my God! You're =
so much like her!" + then when she's telling the Hulme's the Borovnian =
story + then before when she said "It's all frightfully romantic!" my =
friend just kept looking at me + going, "this is so spooky! You're so =
alike!!" Plus I live by a wood that i go leaping around in which really
=
can't help matters!! It was nice to be told that, but scary coz I =
don't really want to be likened to a 'murderess'!!! Anyway! I really =
ought to be shot for taking up so much list space! + I guess I'm not =
talking 100% about the movie either! uh-oh!! Nevermind!! Feel free to
=
yell at me anyone!! :-)
love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
Gem*
"I adore anything to do with the arts!" - JH HC! =00=00
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: RE: So right !
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:06:57 -0500
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Bettina wrote:
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De: Bettina.Hahn <Bettina.Hahn@t-online.de>
A: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
Asunto: Re: So right !
Fecha: Jueves 28 de Mayo de 1998 05:40 AM
I heard she was going to marry him. Is it true? (I wouldnīt mind, I
donīt even know anything about him)
José Antonio Abad Trillo schrieb:
>
> >Anyway, thats all for the moment .
> >
> >Stephen.
> > P.S who is this "Threappleton" character ?
> >
> Is Kate's boyfriend
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> |
> |
> | Cuanto mas grande la cabeza, mas fuerte la jaqueca. |
> | The bigger the head, the bigger the headache
|
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
----------
Some say she will. Some say she won't. There is some quote around
there
from Kate that says "I'm the most unmarried woman in the world".
This guy Threappleton or whatever his name is, is a co-producer or
co-director and met Kate in the making of Hideous Kinky. Hes 24 and
seems
to be a nice guy. Some people close to Kate and Jim said that they are
very much in love. He is the guy who escort Kate in the academy
awards. I
wish the best for both BUT I STILL FEEL JEALOUS. (Sorry Jean) :))
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: RE: So nice to know I'm not weird!! :-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:25:14 -0500
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Gem wrote:
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>De: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
>A: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
>Asunto: So nice to know I'm not weird!! :-)
>Fecha: Jueves 28 de Mayo de 1998 06:41 AM
has anyone tried making a Borovnia?? Y'know out of plasticine + stuff,
coz,
I tried + it worked kinda well but I didn't have plasticine so i made it
out of flour + water + didn't varnish them in time so the went mouldy
which
was vile!!! I DO NOT believe I just told the entire list that!!!! :-)
AAaaah!!! I'm insane!! No! I'm mad, I'm stark raving mad!!! :-)
------------------
The intense emotion used in the movie made in some of us, some sort of
cataclism. I'm too old for trying a Borovnia. I don't have the time
nor
the ability. I have a job, a lovely wife and a life. You have just
been
sincere, so I will. HC made the effect on me that my life is so plain
and
normal that I should try a Borovnia, so I'm building it, in a different
way. I love arts like music, theater, writing... but because of my job
I
cannot afford the time to do all the things I ever wanted, so here is my
Borovnia:
1. I'm moving to a smaller city where I can have more time for my wife
and
my self. (It's a fact, I'm moving next week)
2. I'm playing the piano again. I'm trying to compose again with some
tiny
results.
3. I'm writing again. I used to write short stories and once I tryied
to
write a novel... with no success. It was quite awfull. I've been
writing
in the same story for the last 2 months. By now I have written 100
pages
+/-. I guess this one ain't that bad.
4. I'm closer to my self than ever before. If I want to do something,
I
simply do it.
5. I'm more sensitive (I guess)
No, you are not insane nor weird. I also cryied a lot at the end of HC
every time I saw it (13 times by now, I'm the insane) :)
I wish you success on your Borvnia's making.
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
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From: crystal <beckwith@Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: So nice to know I'm not weird!! :-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:26:29 -0400 (EDT)
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LOL..so should we start calling you Juliet? LOL..just kidding. First off
welcome to the list. Oh and about the plastine figures...thats sooo
cool,
I've thought about trying to make a few models but haven't (and until
now
thought I was the only one crazy enough to do that) so maybe I'll give
it
a try...my mom is going to think I'm absolutely mad but ah who cares
this
will be fun! =3D)
Crystal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~~
*"We have decided how sad it is for other people that they cannot
appreciate our genious." -Pauline Parker*
*"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"-unknown*
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On Thu, 28 May 1998, Gem* wrote:
> hELLO YOU WONDERFUL HEAVENLY CREATURES! :-)
> Oops all in capitals!! sorry!!=20
> You guys replied so quickly I was amazed!!! :-)
> Thanx everyone for telling me I'm not *that* weird after all!! :-)
> ok, I'm now on a mission to prove I honestly am mad it seems coz I
now ha=
ve to ask, this s so embarrassing, has anyone tried making a Borovnia??
Y'k=
now out of plasticine + stuff, coz, I tried + it worked kinda well but
I di=
dn't have plasticine so i made it out of flour + water + didn't varnish
the=
m in time so the went mouldy which was vile!!! I DO NOT believe I just
tol=
d the entire list that!!!! :-) AAaaah!!! I'm insane!! No! I'm mad,
I'm s=
tark raving mad!!! :-)
> Oh + Betty, you're so right about the people who haven't seen HC or
aren'=
t manic over it like us, they can't possibly understand!!! But when I
sho=
wed it to the friend i was talking about before, it was so weird
because wh=
en Juliet's on the bridge she said "Oh my God! You're so much like
her!" +=
then when she's telling the Hulme's the Borovnian story + then before
when=
she said "It's all frightfully romantic!" my friend just kept looking
at m=
e + going, "this is so spooky! You're so alike!!" Plus I live by a wood
tha=
t i go leaping around in which really can't help matters!! It was
nice to=
be told that, but scary coz I don't really want to be likened to a
'murder=
ess'!!! Anyway! I really ought to be shot for taking up so much list
spac=
e! + I guess I'm not talking 100% about the movie either! uh-oh!!
Nevermi=
nd!! Feel free to yell at me anyone!! :-)
> love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
> Gem*
>=20
> "I adore anything to do with the arts!" - JH HC! =00=00
>=20
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Hello everyone!
Thought you all might be interested in this article. It's main focus
is =
about Kate, but it's about her role in HC. There's some good comments =
about Mel, too (rightly so!).=20
If someone would be kind enough to format this for those who can't read
WP =
5.1, it would be most appreciated.=20
Thanks and enjoy.
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--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n772.6 ---------------
From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: RE: So right !
Date: Thu, 28 May 98 12:07:06 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Kate Winslet has been quoted as saying:
>"I'm the most unmarried woman in the world".
It could be because she's beautiful to the point of intimidation.
One look at her and you think "Wow! That's way out of MY league"
Even in Christchurch NZ, while shooting HC, a chef at a local
restaurant
proposed to her. She was just 18 then.
I think the only reason Kate is "unmarried" has more to do with a
surplus
of would-be suitors than a shortage.
(:^)]
--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n772.7 ---------------
From: Berryface@aol.com
Subject: Re: HC article
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:59:38 EDT
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Can someone e-mail me it, so all that I have to do is print it? I tried
it in
wp and it didn't work!
Thanks creatures!
--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n772.8 ---------------
From: Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilton@mindspring.com>
Subject: HC article (if you don't have Word Perfect)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:37:34 -0400
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In-Reply-To: <199805281546.IAA05361@lists1.best.com>
At 10:42 AM 5/28/98 -0500, it was written:
>If someone would be kind enough to format this for those who can't
read WP
5.1, it would be most appreciated.
Read away...
****************************************************************
The San Diego Union-Tribune
Copyright 1998
Thursday, April 9, 1998
ENTERTAINMENT
IT'S THAT COLUMN THING
Kate reached 'Heavenly' heights before 'Titanic'
Karla Peterson
In her big-screen debut, America's newest romantic heroine is
screaming bloody murder. Literally. The year is 1994. The film is
"Heavenly Creatures." And even if she wasn't playing a psychopathic
schoolgirl, Kate Winslet would be worth watching.
Welcome to "Life Before 'Titanic,' Part II."
In my March 26 column, I sang the praises of the
pre-blockbuster Leonardo DiCaprio, whose stunning performance in
1993's "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" proved he was an actor's actor
long before he became a teen idol. And because this is an
equal-opportunity space, it is time to salute DiCaprio's co-star
Winslet, whose feisty performance in the James Cameron blockbuster
confirms what "Heavenly Creatures" fans already know. You can sink
the Titanic, but don't mess with Kate. In "What's Eating Gilbert
Grape," DiCaprio made good on the promise of 1993's "This Boy's
Life," in which the young TV actor held his own with Robert De Niro
and then some. In "Heavenly Creatures," Winslet gives a jolting
performance that makes you wonder where she came from, and whether
you should send her back in a straitjacket.
"Heavenly Creatures" is based on the true story of two New Zealand
teens whose obsessive friendship eventually leads to a notorious
1954 murder. It begins at the end, when the blood-spattered Pauline
Parker (Melanie Lynskey) and Juliet Hulme (Winslet) burst out of a
park screaming, "Mummy's terribly hurt." It turns out "terribly
hurt" is a bit of an understatement, just as "friendship" doesn't
quite describe what goes on between Juliet and Pauline.
As the screams segue into an angelic version of "Just a Closer Walk
With Thee," Peter Jackson's film rockets back to 1952, when the
rich, excitable Juliet arrives at the stuffy Christchurch Girls'
High School. All arched brows and plummy diction, the worldly
Juliet is paired with the awkward, perpetually scowling Pauline for
an art project. A shared passion for heartthrob tenor Mario Lanza
turns the unlikely pair into smitten pals, then fierce friends, and
ultimately, psycho killers. Like its over-dramatic anti-heroines,
"Heavenly Creatures" is hyperactive, swoony and proudly
over-the-top.
Jackson (who co-wrote the witty script with Frances Walsh) and his
young actresses capture the intense romanticism of adolescent
friendships with such giddy accuracy, it is horrifying to watch
their devotion mutate into desperation and homicidal lunacy. One
minute, they're throwing kisses at a Mario Lanza poster. The next
minute, they're clubbing a woman to death. It is sad, shocking and
extremely creepy.
At least for the viewer it is. For Lynskey and Winslet, "Heavenly
Creatures" is a romp and a showcase, and the actresses heave
themselves into their roles with such golden retriever enthusiasm,
the screen can barely contain them. Watch it at home, and you half
expect the girls to crash-land in your living room, two bundles of
glossy hair and breathless giggles.
Although she is the youngest and least experienced of the two,
15-year-old Lynskey makes a dark splash as the misfit who becomes
the brains (and the muscle) behind the murder.
"Go on Mum, treat yourself," she says gently, urging her mother
(the touching Sarah Peirse) to eat another tea cake, knowing it
will be her last. And while her unsuspecting Mum digs in, the
mournful look in Lynskey's eyes says, "You're a nice lady. Too bad
I have to kill you." Then there is Winslet. A four-year veteran of
British stage and television, the 17-year-old actress tears through
"Heavenly Creatures" with enough confidence and energy to fuel a
sequel and a miniseries. Radiant, cocky and beautifully mad,
Winslet is a force of nature in bobby socks and loafers. Even as
the film delves deeper into the girls' fantasies, and the actresses
are forced to share the screen with giant butterflies and hulking
clay creatures, Winslet glows with the pearlized light of a star.
Thanks to his immensely irritating Oscar acceptance speech, we now
know that "Titanic" director James Cameron is the King of the
World. We also can't help wondering where he'd be without DiCaprio,
Winslet and the chemistry that transcended a thousand digital
effects.
Thanks to "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" and "Heavenly Creatures,"
we know exactly where DiCaprio and Winslet would be without
"Titanic." We can see the castle from here.
EDITION: PRE AUTHOR: Karla Peterson
****************************************************************
Um - this was sorta reprinted without permission or whatever....
(C) 1998 whoever is the publisher of the San Diego Union-Tribune. All
rights reserved.
Jeff Hamilton - the capitalist
http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffhamilton/
to join the 461 (network), send a message to four.six.one@mindspring.com
and hope for the best
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: Can someone please help me?
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:40:35 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
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References: <199805271252.FAA20277@lists1.best.com>
Sounds like "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" by C.S. Lewis to me,
however, I may be wrong. Just a suggestion.
Regards,
Laurin
--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n772.10 ---------------
From: brsmith@nass.usda.gov
Subject: Re[2]: Can someone please help me?
Date: Thu, 28 May 98 15:06:17 -0500
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Thanks for the suggestion, but someone else told me it was
"The
Magic Meadow" by Alexander Key. Once I read the name, I
remembered it.
Thanks,
Brandi^^
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Subject: Re: Can someone please help me?
Author: <heavenly-c@lists.best.com> at INTERNET
Date: 5/28/98 3:40 PM
Sounds like "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" by C.S. Lewis to me,
however, I may be wrong. Just a suggestion.
Regards,
Laurin
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001 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: The Grail and the Parker
Hulme book
002 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: The scary bit!! ;-)
003 - Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilt - Crying during movies
004 - mailcall <mailcall@bluema - Re: So nice to know I'm not
weird!! :-)
005 - Daxtanner@aol.com - NZ version
006 - antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =? - Re: Crying during movies
007 - Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilt - Re: Crying during movies
008 - KTYerves@aol.com - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n771
009 - Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.c - Madness!! :-)
010 - Bear <Bear@kwfc.com> - KWFC's Kate Winslet Newsletter
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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Grail and the Parker Hulme book
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:11:07 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-28 00:50:25 EDT, you write:
<< > Is this version of the movie available ANYWHERE? I mean, it
sounds like
> it was amazing and I have to wonder if anyone knows where to get a
copy?
> I figure it may be out of print now or something, am I right? (I
hope
> not)
> >>
> i dont know if we are talking about the same version of the movie
but i
went
>into a sam goody and asked them to order it for me (no extra cost).
hope i
>helped! =)
She was referring to the NZ cut. That cut is not the one you'll get
commercially in the US. The only version available is the Miaramax cut
in
"pan & scan" VHS or Letterboxed Laserdisc.
Unfortunately, word is the film is out of print in NZ as well. (It
also
had the problem of being in PAL, a different broadcast standard)
(:^)]
>>
ohh ok, sowie, my bad...=)
~joanna~
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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: Re: The scary bit!! ;-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:26:01 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-28 04:56:30 EDT, you write:
<< Also, this might sound dumb, but does anyone else cry their eyes out
at the
end?? I just sobbed + sobbed the 1st time I saw it + I watched it with
a
friend the other day + she couldn't see why I was crying so muh!!! Am I
just
weird??? Or has anyone else done the same?? >>
i cried so much at the end!! i started crying when paul's mom picked up
that
pink gem thingie and i knew that they were gonna kill her....i felt so
bad for
her!! then when they were hitting her, i just bawled my eyes out.....
this is off topic but it seems that most of kate's films are so
sad....like
jude, titanic and this one....i like wept and wept for so long during
and
after watching jude....that was so sad! and titanic, come on now, who
didnt
cry during titanic? especially the part when kate jumps off the
lifeboat to be
with jack! oh my god, that part just gets you right there and u just
cant help
but cry and cry.....sowie i rambled on for so long, hehe =)
~joanna~
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From: Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilton@mindspring.com>
Subject: Crying during movies
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:09:28 -0400
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At 05:26 PM 5/28/98 EDT, Joanna wrote:
>i cried so much at the end!! i started crying when paul's mom picked
up that
>pink gem thingie and i knew that they were gonna kill her....i felt so
bad
for
>her!! then when they were hitting her, i just bawled my eyes out.....
>this is off topic but it seems that most of kate's films are so
sad....like
>jude, titanic and this one....i like wept and wept for so long during
and
>after watching jude....that was so sad! and titanic, come on now, who
didnt
>cry during titanic? especially the part when kate jumps off the
lifeboat
to be
>with jack! oh my god, that part just gets you right there and u just
cant
help
>but cry and cry.....sowie i rambled on for so long, hehe =)
I didn't cry during "Heavenly Creatures" (perhaps I've been sufficiently
desensitized to violence from watching "Seven" and "Terminator 2" too
often) but I caught myself crying during Titanic during at least half a
dozen scenes. The only other movie that ever moved me to tears was "The
Piano".
Jeff Hamilton
(while all the other guys laugh at him behind his back, haha)
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From: mailcall <mailcall@bluemarble.net>
Subject: Re: So nice to know I'm not weird!! :-)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:14:55 -0500 (EST)
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hey gem, i made a cyber borovnia once. well no, because i never actually
got around to doing the borovnia part, but i created a MUSH for heavenly
creatures a couple of years ago. i got as far as creating pauline's
little
shack and the roads to ilam and the house and garden at ilam. i was
going
to do port levy next. the place where i was having it shut down and it
was
all lost. this was all on line and you could go there and wander around
a
virtual replica of the places pauline and juliet knew best.
as far as making plasticine models for your imaginary worlds; if you
have
ever seen a FRP called "empire of the petal throne", well, that started
out
as the "borovnia" of a young man in detroit, michigan, who began it
when he
was ten years old. it was about a lost earth colony on a planet called
tekumel. he carved wooden figures instead of using plasticine. he had
hundreds of them by the time he was in college.
--==** melanthe alexian **==--
...she just slipped away...
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From: Daxtanner@aol.com
Subject: NZ version
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:01:08 EDT
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I would love to purchase a Full uncut version of HC. Can anyone arrange
this
for me. I'll pay for everything. Cost+ shipping
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From: antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Antonio Abad
Trillo)
Subject: Re: Crying during movies
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:19:16 -0500
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>At 05:26 PM 5/28/98 EDT, Joanna wrote:
>>i cried so much at the end!! i started crying when paul's mom picked
up th=
at
>>pink gem thingie and i knew that they were gonna kill her....i felt
so bad
>for
>>her!! then when they were hitting her, i just bawled my eyes out.....
>>this is off topic but it seems that most of kate's films are so
sad....lik=
e
>>jude, titanic and this one....i like wept and wept for so long during
and
>>after watching jude....that was so sad! and titanic, come on now,
who did=
nt
>>cry during titanic? especially the part when kate jumps off the
lifeboat
>to be
>>with jack! oh my god, that part just gets you right there and u just
cant
>help
>>but cry and cry.....sowie i rambled on for so long, hehe =3D)
>
>I didn't cry during "Heavenly Creatures" (perhaps I've been
sufficiently
>desensitized to violence from watching "Seven" and "Terminator 2" too
>often) but I caught myself crying during Titanic during at least half a
>dozen scenes. The only other movie that ever moved me to tears was "The
>Piano".
>
>Jeff Hamilton
>(while all the other guys laugh at him behind his back, haha)
I'm not a good weeper. In fact, sometimes some scenes touch me deep,
but
not enough for crying, but lately I found a more sensitive part on me
while
watching some movies. I cryied a lot in ghost because I imagine the
scene
with my wife and me. Also in Titanic; the same reason. In HC I
started to
weep when Pauline says to her mother "treat yourself" and the the
Humming
Chorus made the deal. The breakpoint start when Juliete is in the boat
and
her face says it all. Pauline's voice and face crying " no...wait for
me"
just broke me. Also when JMH and PYP are talking in the phone and
Juliete
begs "Don't cry Gina, please... they can't make us...they can't" That
part also touched me deep inside.
I thought it's ridiculous (sorry the spelling) for a man 29 years old to
cry, but i'm convinced, since I can't do it often, that it's healthy,
so I
make my best effort to cry every time I need it, with no much success,
but
I'm trying. I'm not a queer, you know?
Thanks for reading
Jos=E9 Antonio
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|
|
| Cuanto mas grande la cabeza, mas fuerte la jaqueca. |
| The bigger the head, the bigger the headache |
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From: Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilton@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Crying during movies
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:44:10 -0400
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At 11:19 PM 5/28/98 -0500, Jos=E9 wrote:
>I thought it's ridiculous (sorry the spelling) for a man 29 years old
to
>cry, but i'm convinced, since I can't do it often, that it's healthy,
so I
>make my best effort to cry every time I need it, with no much success,
but
>I'm trying. I'm not a queer, you know?
LOL that's my problem - this general feeling amongst people that real
men
don't cry. That's why I'm rather quiet about it (I've never really
all-out
BAWLED in a theatre, of course not) (hahahah - just imagining that for a
second). But you're right, it is very healthy.
Jeff Hamilton - the capitalist
http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffhamilton/
to join the 461 (network), send a message to four.six.one@mindspring.com
and hope for the best
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From: KTYerves@aol.com
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<< Also, this might sound dumb, but does anyone else cry their eyes out
at the end?? >>
I either cry or always want to cry! It's so sad that they couldn't see
each
other. I heard that they haven't seen each other since. Someone told
me that
they saw an interview with Anne Perry (Juliet) and she said that she
would be
scared to see Pauline again because of all the memories it would bring
back.
The judge's ruling is the saddest part. I try to pretend that it
didn't exist
and that they moved in together right after they got out of jail. ha
ha!
By the way....I'm new to this list and this is my first post. I don't
know
anyone on here except for Karen. (hi Karen!) Just wanted to introduce
myself.
My name is Kate, I'm 21 and from Rochester, NY. I've been a fan of HC
now for
about a month. I rented it after seeing Titanic which caused me to
become a
huge Kate Winslet fan. :) Anyway...I immediately loved it and...the
script,
the acting, directing, cinematography, music...everything!! I bought it
about
a week after I rented it. :) It's probably my favorite movie. I can't
believe it really happened... shocking and fascinating at the same
time. I'm
reading a book about it now if anyone is interested. It's called
"Parker and
Hulme: A lesbian view." Very good so far in that it details the
events and
goes more into the girls background. It's by two NZ authors who are
gay.
They're names are Alison J. Laurie and Julie Glamuzina. Does anyone
know of
any other books about the case? I would love to read anything I can
get my
hands on. I'm also trying to locate the NZ film version and the
soundtrack.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
OK...that's it from me for now. I can't wait for further HC
discussions! I
am really excited about not only joining this list but in finding out
that it
exists in the first place. No one I know in person has seen it the
film or
has even heard of it! Too bad.
Have a great day everyone!
~Kate~
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From: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
Subject: Madness!! :-)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:26:34 +0100
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This is mainly to Jose but nevermind!! :-)
I think your decision to move away from the bigger city + create a real
=
life Borovnia is absolutely fantastic!! It's strange how somehow HC
has =
brought out so many good things in people, I've also found that I've =
become far less conscious of the fact I seem to be a little different
to =
everyone else, before HC I'm sure I wouldn't have told a whole list of =
people about my nuttiness + thank you for being honest too!!! ;-)
All I can really say is good luck in your Borovnia creating + I hope
the =
music goes well and everything else - maybe HC will take over the world
=
and bring out the best in everyone?!?!
love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
Gem*
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From: Bear <Bear@kwfc.com>
Subject: KWFC's Kate Winslet Newsletter
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:51:32 -0400
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Kate Fans & Creatures,
The KWFC sent out their first monthly Kate Winslet newsletter
yesterday. If you didn't receive one and would like to receive it
please send me your email address and I'll forward it to you and add you
to the newsletter mailing list.
Thanks,
Bear
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001 - Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.c - RE:Crying in movies
002 - IrishEMT12@aol.com - Re: New Creatures
003 - brsmith@nass.usda.gov - Re[2]: New Creatures
004 - KTYerves@aol.com - crying at Kate's movies...
005 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - RE: NZ version
006 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - Buscando a Mercedes/Searching for
Mercedes
007 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - RE: Madness!! :-)
008 - "Jose Antonio Abad Trujil - RE: Re[2]: New Creatures
009 - Stephen Bull <sybull@line - Hoo ?
010 - Aliooop1@aol.com - Re: Crying in movies
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From: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE:Crying in movies
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:47:11 +0100
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I cried in all of Kate's movies, Sense + Sensibility, when she's =
whispering "Whiloughby" into the wind + rain + saying Sonnet 116 + when
=
she's dying + then when she marries Col.B + Jude as well as at the end,
=
also when she says, "What's wrong with me Jude?" + HC obviously +
Hamlet =
when Ophelia's singing (well that makes me cry in the book as well) + =
Titanic I started crying the first time when they're so mean to Jack + =
then basically didn't stop + practically got hysterical when Rose is =
being lowered in the lifeboat + when she says "Dawson, Rose Dawson" and
=
when old rose says, "He exists now, only in my memory" well, lets see =
shall we just say I cried thru most of Titanic and it's worse the more =
you see it, as soon as it begins + the music begins I get choked up!!
In case you hadn't noticed I get slightly emotional about things!!
Oh and all you gys who are saying how you feel sill crying - DON'T!=20
I'd be so impressed if I came out of a movie theatre + saw a man had =
been crying (that is if I could see coz I usually don't stop crying =
after sad movies until about an hour and a half afterwards!!! I know, =
I'm a nut!) it shows amazing sensitivity coz men never cry as a rule + =
they should, it's a great tension reliever!! :-)
talk to ya all soon!
love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
Gem*
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From: IrishEMT12@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Creatures
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:56:54 EDT
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I have a question relating to showing HC to our friends. I have often
wondered, are you all selective in whom you will decide to watch it
with, or
do you just say oh there is this movie, I think you may like it, to any
friend
???
Because it is not a "mainstream" film, meaninf it wasn't showing 4
times a day
at the local mini-plex and because up until Titanic, the stars were
"who?", it
was hard to pursuade my friends to sit through an hour of well, they
had no
idea. I didn't want to give the story away so I would always just say
trust
me, it is really good.
However in today's society where the number of explosions, or fights, or
action sequences has an effect on the number of people who will go see
a film,
and acting, what's that, well that is sad.
I have also had some of my friends (and no offense but only the males
asked
this), "Heavenly Creatures, is that a porno?"
So another question, how do you "market" it to your friends without
telling
the whole story ???
Jennifer EMT-B
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From: brsmith@nass.usda.gov
Subject: Re[2]: New Creatures
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 08:18:56 -0500
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Recomending this movie is difficult because sometimes when I've told
people it's
based on a true story about 2 teenage girls who murder one of their
mothers,
people tend to shut their brains off right there, refusing to see a
movie that
sympathizes with matricidal children, especially in view of the
violence going
on in the States at present. If I know the person well enough I go on
and tell
them that the murder isn't what the entire film is about. It's actually
about
friendship, how good it can be and how bad it can be when it gets out
of
control. I may be projecting my own thoughts into the movie, but I also
saw it
as a film that depicted the limitations put on teenagers-persons who
are
starting to have adult emotions, not being able to understand what's
going on
and not having much choice in what to do with them. If they had been
adults and
not living with their parents, everything would've been fine.
The scene that depicts their helplessness the most to me is the phone
scence,
when Gena realizes that she can't leave because to get a passport she
has to
have parents consent. That scene and the boat scenes always get me.
-Brandi^^
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Subject: Re: New Creatures
Author: <heavenly-c@lists.best.com> at INTERNET
Date: 5/29/98 8:56 AM
I have a question relating to showing HC to our friends. I have often
wondered, are you all selective in whom you will decide to watch it
with, or
do you just say oh there is this movie, I think you may like it, to any
friend
???
Because it is not a "mainstream" film, meaninf it wasn't showing 4
times a day
at the local mini-plex and because up until Titanic, the stars were
"who?", it
was hard to pursuade my friends to sit through an hour of well, they
had no
idea. I didn't want to give the story away so I would always just say
trust
me, it is really good.
However in today's society where the number of explosions, or fights,
or
action sequences has an effect on the number of people who will go see
a film,
and acting, what's that, well that is sad.
I have also had some of my friends (and no offense but only the males
asked
this), "Heavenly Creatures, is that a porno?"
So another question, how do you "market" it to your friends without
telling
the whole story ???
Jennifer EMT-B
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From: KTYerves@aol.com
Subject: crying at Kate's movies...
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:07:55 EDT
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Hey everyone!
I don't think I cried the first time I saw HC. I'm also desensitized to
violence. If I did cry it was because of the judges' ruling. I was more
shocked at it. I think I cried sometime though while watching it. I
can't
remember...I've seen it so many times! ha ha! I had read about the
film
before I saw it but was totally amazed upon seeing it. It was so well
made.
It really made you think about it afterwards and those are the kinds of
movies/TV shows I love...the ones that make you think after seeing them.
Discussions are also great too but I have no one in real life to
discuss HC
with. I'm so glad to have been introduced to you people and this list!
:)
I did cry so much during and after Jude though it's not even funny! I
have
never done that before...I just couldn't help it. I watched it alone
very
late at night and found myself sobbing almost uncontrollably. :) I
looked so
bad the next day and I was thoroughly depressed. Thankfully the
sadness I
felt went away by the next day though. =)
Have a great day everyone! It's Friday!!
Love, Kate
PS: For the men on the list....it's very cool that you cried during HC.
Don't feel ashamed if you did! I love when guys can really feel their
emotions and aren't afraid to let them go.
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: RE: NZ version
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:57:11 -0500
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> De: Daxtanner@aol.com
> A: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
> Asunto: NZ version
> Fecha: Jueves 28 de Mayo de 1998 09:01 PM
>
> I would love to purchase a Full uncut version of HC. Can anyone
arrange
this
> for me. I'll pay for everything. Cost+ shipping
Please, Include my self to this request. I'll pay also.
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: Buscando a Mercedes/Searching for Mercedes
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:06:28 -0500
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Sorry Creatures, this msg is not about a HC topic.
I'm looking for a spanish girl who answered me in this list and I lost
her
email and, obviously, her address, so I'm been unable to answer her. I
guess her name is Mercedes. If you are this girl, please contact me at
antonioa@spin.com.mx
Busco a una chica española quien me contestó a un mail en esta lista,
pero
perdí el email y, obviamente, su dirección electrónica, así que no he
podido contestarle. Creo que su nombre es Mercedes. Si tu eres quien
me
contestó previamente, por favor ponte en contacto conmigo a
antonioa@spin.com.mx
Thanks for reading
Gracias por haber leído
José Antonio
P.S. Multilingual posting!!!!! :)))
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: RE: Madness!! :-)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:59:24 -0500
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De: Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
A: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
Asunto: Madness!! :-)
Fecha: Viernes 29 de Mayo de 1998 03:26 AM
This is mainly to Jose but nevermind!! :-)
I think your decision to move away from the bigger city + create a real
life Borovnia is absolutely fantastic!! It's strange how somehow HC has
brought out so many good things in people, I've also found that I've
become
far less conscious of the fact I seem to be a little different to
everyone
else, before HC I'm sure I wouldn't have told a whole list of people
about
my nuttiness + thank you for being honest too!!! ;-)
All I can really say is good luck in your Borovnia creating + I hope the
music goes well and everything else - maybe HC will take over the world
and
bring out the best in everyone?!?!
love+hugz+dreamz+wishes
Gem*
----------
Thanks a lot for your wishes Gem. If I make my dream true, be sure that
all you dearest creatures of this list will be invited to celebrate my
success. I mean ALL.
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: New Creatures
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:55:38 -0500
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> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> Subject: Re: New Creatures
> Author: <heavenly-c@lists.best.com> at INTERNET
> Date: 5/29/98 8:56 AM
>
>
> I have a question relating to showing HC to our friends. I have
often
> wondered, are you all selective in whom you will decide to watch it
with,
or
> do you just say oh there is this movie, I think you may like it, to
any
friend
> ???
I am selective. I had some bad responses from some friends when I show
it
so I realized that HC is not for everyone. Only some can appreciate
their
genious :))
>
> Because it is not a "mainstream" film, meaninf it wasn't showing 4
times
a day
> at the local mini-plex and because up until Titanic, the stars were
"who?", it
> was hard to pursuade my friends to sit through an hour of well, they
had
no
> idea. I didn't want to give the story away so I would always just say
trust
> me, it is really good.
I just put some background because, like me, the first time I saw it I
had
the feeling that I missed something, so, as a caution, I just give a
brief
explanation of the situation.
>
> However in today's society where the number of explosions, or fights,
or
> action sequences has an effect on the number of people who will go
see a
film,
> and acting, what's that, well that is sad.
>
>
> I have also had some of my friends (and no offense but only the males
asked
> this), "Heavenly Creatures, is that a porno?"
>
> So another question, how do you "market" it to your friends without
telling
> the whole story ???
>
> Jennifer EMT-B
I give'em some money. Just kidding. I just say that it is a great
movie.
If they show some interest then I show it. If they don't I act
indifferent
also. Must of the times they got intrigued and they want to see it.
Also
I have as a wallpaper on my computer (in my office) the scene in B&W
where
JMH and PYP are about to kiss, with some other pictures of the same
scene
including one of the girls in the bathtub. As a general rule, whenever
someone sees the pict they stare at it for a while and then they ask
-"Are
both women?" - " Oh yes" I answer like if they just asked me the time.
They stare for a while longer, and with some fear they ask again -"Who
is
the blonde?" -"Kate Winslet, the girl in Titanic, and the other girl is
Melany Lynskey, a great Kiwi young actress"
The questions continue about the movie and some other things. They
always
get impressed because the age of both actresses, and sometimes they
want to
see it. By now I just solved the problem because theaters are still
showing HC here, so I don't have the problem of lending my copy of HC.
The other problem is that here in Mexico, homosexual relationships or
anything that suggest an homosexual relationship are so bad for
society.
Really, many times I think we live in the stone age. I have gay friends
(I'm hetero) and other people think that I am gay just because I have
gay
friends. I hate that.
One time when I was leaving the cinema after my 4th HC experience I
heard
from someone in the exit -"Of course they were crazy, they were
lesbians"
That pis... me off (Sorry, it still p...) I told the friend who went
with me and my wife to the cinema "Jackson never said that they were
lesbians..." and my friend answer.. "He did not?" I realized then that
HC
is not for everyone and that most of the time with most of the people
in my
country, you have to explain the movie if you want it to be fully
appreciated.
posting too long. I'm sorry.
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
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From: Stephen Bull <sybull@lineone.net>
Subject: Hoo ?
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:16:56 +0100
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Hiya,
The other week, I went with my
wife to a interview in
Rochester ( in England) at a
hairdressing salon. I sat
there, had my hair cut as part
of her interview for a
stylist. Anyway, afterwards,
we both drove back home. On
the way back, I spotted a bus
with the destination of HOO,
the name of a nearby village,
on it. This name suddenly rang
bells for me. HOO is were
Hilary Nathan (AKA Pauline
Parker) lives ! I suddenly
wondered which salon Hilary
gets her hair cut in. Just
supposing.....!
Anyway, I will let my wife
settle into her job, then I
will ask her "Do you have a
client called Hilary Nathan?".
I know it is a pure flight of
fancy, but who knows . Then
supposing one day I go to the
salon to meet my wife and
there sitting in the chair in
Hilary.
Sharing some of my stranger
thoughts.
Stephen.
"Don't mention the War ! I
mentioned it once, but I think
I got away with it " Basil
Fawltey, Fawltey Towers
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From: Aliooop1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crying in movies
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:23:21 EDT
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Hiya Creatures!
I don't know about you, but I'm ready to do some more crying!! :-)
For those
Creatures who haven't caught JUDE yet, it's going to be playing on
Showtime 3
on June 4 (6pm), June 12 (8pm), and June 17 (7:30 pm). All times are
Pacific.
Hope this helps!
Alice
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002 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: Crying in movies
003 - LaSkA4u@aol.com - Re: Re[2]: New Creatures
004 - Baboon4444@aol.com - Re: New Creatures
005 - crystal <beckwith@Oswego. - posters
006 - Aliooop1@aol.com - Re: New Creatures
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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crying during movies
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:01:18 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-29 04:20:13 EDT, you write:
<< In HC I started to
weep when Pauline says to her mother "treat yourself" and the the
Humming
Chorus made the deal. The breakpoint start when Juliete is in the
boat and
her face says it all. Pauline's voice and face crying " no...wait for
me"
just broke me. Also when JMH and PYP are talking in the phone and
Juliete
begs "Don't cry Gina, please... they can't make us...they can't" That
part also touched me deep inside. >>
yeh! those parts were SO SAD!! =*(
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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crying in movies
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:07:56 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-29 08:56:48 EDT, you write:
<< I cried in all of Kate's movies, Sense + Sensibility, when she's
whispering
"Whiloughby" into the wind + rain + saying Sonnet 116 + when she's
dying +
then when she marries Col.B + Jude as well as at the end, also when she
says,
"What's wrong with me Jude?" + HC obviously + Hamlet when Ophelia's
singing
(well that makes me cry in the book as well) + Titanic I started crying
the
first time when they're so mean to Jack + then basically didn't stop +
practically got hysterical when Rose is being lowered in the lifeboat +
when
she says "Dawson, Rose Dawson" and when old rose says, "He exists now,
only in
my memory" well, lets see shall we just say I cried thru most of
Titanic and
it's worse the more you see it, as soon as it begins + the music begins
I get
choked up!! >>
yeh, in the very beginning when they show the people waving goodbye in
black
and white, and that sad, sad music is playing, i start to cry then! oh
god im
about to cry now just thinking of some of the scenes! =*(
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From: LaSkA4u@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Creatures
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:27:04 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-29 13:24:15 EDT, you write:
<< The other problem is that here in Mexico, homosexual relationships or
anything that suggest an homosexual relationship are so bad for
society.
Really, many times I think we live in the stone age. I have gay
friends
(I'm hetero) and other people think that I am gay just because I have
gay
friends. I hate that. >>
yeh that sux, because im bi, and i have lost so many friends because
they
didnt want people to think that they r gay or bi too.....it really
hurtz.....=(
but most people i know r cool with it so i guess its all good.....
~Joanna~
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From: Baboon4444@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Creatures
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:34:56 EDT
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This sounds strange, but I am selective in who I show it to. Almost
like it's
a secret. It's not that I don't want my friends to see it. If they
are like,
"Oh what's this?" then we watch it. But (& I don't know why!) I don't
try to
sell it to them. I tried figuring it out, and I think it's cause I
don't want
them to critize it, for one thing, or for it to be like Titanic. Does
that
make sense??
Lauren
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From: crystal <beckwith@Oswego.EDU>
Subject: posters
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:41:51 -0400 (EDT)
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HI everyone,
I ordered the US version of the HC poster and I just went and ordered
the
German one...does anyone know the difference between the two (hmmm
maybe I
should have asked before I ordered them both?) besides the fact that one
will be in German (duh)?? Oh and I've been debating on whether or not to
buy the lobby cards...could someone kinda give me a description of them
and if they're worth the $35. Thanks a mil.
Crystal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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appreciate our genious." -Pauline Parker*
*"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"-unknown*
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From: Aliooop1@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Creatures
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:59:46 EDT
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Hi Creatures/Lauren,
I find myself doing the same thing with this movie....it's not that I
don't
want anyone else to see it, by all means do, but I guess I don't want it
criticized either...I dunno..
Alice
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From: davebo <s394097@gettysburg.edu>
Subject: catch you all later
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:36:17 -0400
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well its been a hoot for the past half a year i've been on the list but
i
think i'll unsubscribe now. being home on a modem of rthe summer its
just
to much junk to download, and when over half the posts are from aolers i
know its time to move on :) catch you all later!
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n774
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:41:03 -0700 (PDT)
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Same goes for me.
Thanks,
Jane
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From: "Jose Antonio Abad Trujillo" <jabad@softtek.com>
Subject: RE: NZ version
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:57:11 -0500
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> De: Daxtanner@aol.com
> A: heavenly-c@lists.best.com
> Asunto: NZ version
> Fecha: Jueves 28 de Mayo de 1998 09:01 PM
>
> I would love to purchase a Full uncut version of HC. Can anyone
arrange
this
> for me. I'll pay for everything. Cost+ shipping
Please, Include my self to this request. I'll pay also.
Thanks for reading
José Antonio
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: friends watching HC...
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:46:09 -0700 (PDT)
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>
> --------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n774.2 ---------------
>
> From: IrishEMT12@aol.com
> Subject: Re: New Creatures
> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:56:54 EDT
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>
> I have a question relating to showing HC to our friends. I have often
> wondered, are you all selective in whom you will decide to watch it
with, or
> do you just say oh there is this movie, I think you may like it, to
any friend
> ???
>
> Because it is not a "mainstream" film, meaninf it wasn't showing 4
times a day
> at the local mini-plex and because up until Titanic, the stars were
"who?", it
> was hard to pursuade my friends to sit through an hour of well, they
had no
> idea. I didn't want to give the story away so I would always just
say trust
> me, it is really good.
>
> However in today's society where the number of explosions, or
fights, or
> action sequences has an effect on the number of people who will go
see a film,
> and acting, what's that, well that is sad.
>
>
> I have also had some of my friends (and no offense but only the
males asked
> this), "Heavenly Creatures, is that a porno?"
>
> So another question, how do you "market" it to your friends without
telling
> the whole story ???
>
> Jennifer EMT-B
>
>
I actually talked to my friends about this film and one of them had
actually seen it but she hated it and said she felt so uncomfortable
with the whole "lesbian" thing. She doesn't like talking about it.
My group of friends then went into a conversation - me trying to
defend the film by saying that they can't judge it until they see it.
But no one wants to watch it because they are all a bit on the
homophobic side.
So I am still without a person here who I can talk to about HC (thank
god for this list though!)
Thanks for reading,
Jane
PS Please forgive me for this late reply.. I get the messages digested
because for me its faster and easier to read but takes longer for them
to arrive.
"Cheer Up! All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases! It's
all frightfully romantic!"
Juliet, HC
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From: Kip Hoelscher <akira@iastate.edu>
Subject:
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 03:23:31 CDT
I've seen quite a few movies that have brought me near tears, but the
only one that i can remember really letting myself breakdown and cry
from is HC. The part that gets me is the text "It was a condition of
their
release that they never meet again" right as the music goes "...and
you'll
never walk alone...". For me, watching the murder and the boat scenes
shocks
me into kind of a state of disbelief, but that final part drives home
the
bitter reality, and the tears start to come.
Still trying to keep up with the topics,
Kip
p.s. Since a few people mentioned crying in other Kate movies, i'd like
to mention that the part of Titanic that really got me was when the
string quartet stopped playing and saw how hopeless things are, so they
went
back to playing. I just feel so strongly about music that i think i
know
how they felt. I probably would have broke down crying if i wasn't in
a
packed theatre.
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001 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: So nice to know I'm not
weird!! :-)
002 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - posters
003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: Crying in movies
004 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: The scary bit!! ;-)
005 - Jane Fribit <recurring@ya - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n775
006 - Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilt - Re: Crying during movies
007 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: posters
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009 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: posters
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: So nice to know I'm not weird!! :-)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:02:34 GMT
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On Thu, 28 May 1998 12:41:31 +0100, Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>"this is so spooky! You're so alike!!"
Let me tell you all this story. I know a woman, she's about 60 now,
and her life-story resembles that of juliet very much. When she was
15, her father, an academic big shot overhere in the netherlands, sent
her off to boarding school in switzerland because he thought the
friendship between her and a lower-class female classmate was getting
'unhealthy'. Well it turned out that they were indeed more than just
friends, and both women have since been in several lesbian
relationships.
I'm thinking of showing HC to her, but i don't want to upset her.
What should i do?
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: posters
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:02:31 GMT
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On Fri, 29 May 1998 16:41:51 -0400 (EDT), crystal
<beckwith@Oswego.EDU> wrote:
>I ordered the US version of the HC poster and I just went and ordered =
the
>German one...does anyone know the difference between the two (hmmm
maybe=
I
>should have asked before I ordered them both?) besides the fact that
one
>will be in German (duh)?? Oh and I've been debating on whether or not
to
>buy the lobby cards...could someone kinda give me a description of them
>and if they're worth the $35. Thanks a mil.
I don't have the german poster, because somebody told me it's
identical to the US poster, which is pretty ugly. I have 6 different
HC posters, and the french one is my favorite.
About the lobby cards, check out my site, there is a link to them on
the main page. I love 'm.
Good luck.
BTW, crystal, i'm still waiting to find something in the mail from
you.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: Crying in movies
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:02:36 GMT
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On Fri, 29 May 1998 13:47:11 +0100, Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>I'd be so impressed if I came out of a movie theatre + saw a man had =
been crying (that is if I could see coz I usually don't stop crying
after=
sad movies until about an hour and a half afterwards!!! I know, I'm a =
nut!) it shows amazing sensitivity coz men never cry as a rule + they =
should, it's a great tension reliever!! :-)
Hehe, i know. It's weird, but i love crying during films. And i
don't even need a very tragic story to open the floodgates, any good
film will do. A few months ago i watched a mediocre film called
BEAUTIFUL GIRLS, and i found myself crying during all the scenes with
natalie portman. Not because the story was so sad or anything, but
just because of the sheer beauty of her acting. Hehe, i even cry for
some of bob richardson's beautiful cinematography in NBK (hi jean, i'm
back).
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: The scary bit!! ;-)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:02:33 GMT
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On Thu, 28 May 1998 09:49:54 +0100, Gem* <gemnet@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>Also, this might sound dumb, but does anyone else cry their eyes out
at =
the end?? I just=20
I have watched HC well over a 100 times, and the first 30-40 times i
cried my eyes out at the ending each and every time. But, like with
every film, the dramatic effect wears off after a certain amount of
viewings. Not to say i don't like to watch it anymore, it's just a
different, more distant (matured? - bleh i hate that word) kind of
experience.
To me the saddest part of the film is the 'it was a condition of their
release that they never meet again' line. And when you watch the film
for a 2nd time all the 'happy' scenes become crying material as well.
The thing is i don't find myself crying for honora at any point in the
film. My view on this is that p&j were her salvation, like they freed
her from a miserable life. All the talk about birdhouses, and the
close-up of the birdcage right before honora and the girls leave the
house, i think jackson and walsh wanted to portray her basically as an
unhappy woman, imprisoned in her own home. Juliet saying 'your mother
is rather a miserable woman' confirms this theory.
>sobbed + sobbed the 1st time I saw it + I watched it with a friend the
=
other day + she couldn't see why I was crying so muh!!! Am I just =
weird??? Or has anyone else done the same??
I showed it to a few friends, and i took some friends with me to the
cinema, but all of them failed to see the tragedy of it all. People
are strange. Mind that some of these people cried during TITANIC.
Well i think i would cry too during that film, but for different
reasons.
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: Jane Fribit <recurring@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n775
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:32:51 -0700 (PDT)
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Kip Hoelscher <akira@iastate.edu> wrote:
p.s. Since a few people mentioned crying in other Kate movies, i'd like
to mention that the part of Titanic that really got me was when the
string quartet stopped playing and saw how hopeless things are, so they
went
back to playing. I just feel so strongly about music that i think i
know
how they felt. I probably would have broke down crying if i wasn't in
a
packed theatre.
-------------
I personally thought that that was the best bit in the whole film. And
I didn't cry at all. Seemed all a bit over-commericial to me.
Jane Fribit
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From: Jeff Hamilton <jeffhamilton@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Crying during movies
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 10:28:15 -0400
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At 03:23 AM 5/30/98 CDT, you wrote:
>p.s. Since a few people mentioned crying in other Kate movies, i'd
like
>to mention that the part of Titanic that really got me was when the
>string quartet stopped playing and saw how hopeless things are, so
they went
>back to playing. I just feel so strongly about music that i think i
know
>how they felt. I probably would have broke down crying if i wasn't in
a
>packed theatre.
Wow - same part that killed me...
Jeff Hamilton - the capitalist
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: posters
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:41:20 -0400
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Wow! 6 different posters for HC? How many other styles can there be? So
far the only styles I know about are: The 47 x 63 french one (absolutely
gorgeous!!) the video release poster which is red and black, the german
blue and white, and the us blue and white. That makes 4, which 2 am I
missing out on? Thanks for the help!
Regards,
Laurin
The Heavenly Creatures Webhome
http://members.home.com/englishpatient/hc.html
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From: crystal <beckwith@Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: posters
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
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Hi Creatures,
I ordered my posters through pixposters online and the only rolled ones
they had were the US and German ones...do any of you know of another
place
online that has them?
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appreciate our genious." -Pauline Parker*
*"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"-unknown*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Sat, 30 May 1998, Laurin McNiff wrote:
> Wow! 6 different posters for HC? How many other styles can there be?
So
> far the only styles I know about are: The 47 x 63 french one
(absolutely
> gorgeous!!) the video release poster which is red and black, the
german
> blue and white, and the us blue and white. That makes 4, which 2 am I
> missing out on? Thanks for the help!
>
> Regards,
> Laurin
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: posters
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:51:46 -0400
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Crystal,
There isn't more differnce between the two except that, yes,
one is in the German language. Other than that, it's completely
identical to the US one. It's worth $35 if you're a poster collector and
are a real die hard HC fan. The great one to get would be the French
one, but I know that one costs at MINIMUM $50 and that's pretty steep.
Hope I've helped.
Regards,
Laurin
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: Hoo ?
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:56:34 -0400
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Dear Creatures,
Hmm, interesting thoughts. There is something though, I'm not
too sure I would want to actually meet the real Pauline in the flesh,
lets remember she did brutally murder her mother and is quite the hermit
these days if I am correct. Also, since she lives in solitude, I can't
quite picture her getting her hair done, she may cut it herself or
something. Just my two cents.
Regards,
Laurin
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001 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: crying at Kate's movies...
002 - "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@v - Re: Hoo ?
003 - nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen) - Re: posters
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005 - Laurin McNiff <englishpat - Re: unsubscribe
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
Subject: Re: crying at Kate's movies...
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:02:33 -0400
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Dear Creatures,
Exactly, I did not cry very much during HC, and if I did
it was for Pauline's mother, that poor woman just did not deserve to
die. All her intentions were for her daughter and to try and help, even
if it did add fuel to the fire. But, it was a "stupid crime of passion"
to say the least, but Peter Jackson did one hell of a job depicting the
girls' madness and overall creating an oustanding visualization of the
Parker-Hulme murder.
Jude, now that's one movie I completely lost it over. The end (no
spoilers here) is so unexpected and thoroughly tragic. It's just an
emotional climax you don't really expect or see coming. Very very sad.
And, what hits worse is you have no idea what might happen afterward,
what the future would bring. I too was depressed for a day or so after
viewing it. Other than it's tragedy, it's an exquisite acting
performance and the directing is superb with few faults.
Regards,
Laurin
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From: "E. Jean Guerin" <orson@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Hoo ?
Date: Sun, 31 May 98 02:10:28 -0400
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Laurin McNiff wrote:
>she did brutally murder her mother and is quite the hermit
>these days if I am correct. Also, since she lives in solitude, I can't
>quite picture her getting her hair done, she may cut it herself or
>something.
While she's not a total hermit, Hillary Nathan does not desire a
"public
life". She's served her sentence and, in many ways, still is.
(:^)]
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From: nbk94@xs4all.nl (Jeroen)
Subject: Re: posters
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 07:28:00 GMT
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On Sat, 30 May 1998 11:41:20 -0400, Laurin McNiff
<englishpatient@home.com> wrote:
>Wow! 6 different posters for HC? How many other styles can there be? So
>far the only styles I know about are: The 47 x 63 french one
(absolutely
>gorgeous!!) the video release poster which is red and black, the german
>blue and white, and the us blue and white. That makes 4, which 2 am I
>missing out on? Thanks for the help!
Well, these are the ones i have:
france - blue and red
denmark - green and white
sweden - black and blue
US - blue and white
US video poster - black and red
UK - blue and white
They are all hanging in their own custom-made frames in my computer
room and my home theater, together with the lobby cards. I will put
up some pictures on my web site very soon.
The NZ and danish posters are identical except for the colors, the
other posters all look different. I'm still looking for a dutch
poster, and i also have a .jpeg of the portugese poster, which is like
the french one, only the color is brown/yellow-ish. I'd love to have
that one!
--
Jeroen - The Netherlands - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbk94
All the best people have bad chests and bone diseases.
It's all frightfully romantic! - Heavenly Creatures
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From: Darko Jagarinec <darko.jagarinec@kiss.uni-lj.si>
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From: Laurin McNiff <englishpatient@home.com>
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Creatures,
For once, and hopefully for all, the way to unsubscribe to this
list is VERY simple, in fact, it's been clarified before. But,
unfortunately, as goes with the rest of the population (with the
exception of the good people on the list) people just do not listen.
Here is the RIGHT way to unsubscribe to The Heavenly Creatures mailing
list.
Send mail to heavenly-c-request@lists.best.com
And make the subject UNSIBSCRIBE! It's very very simple!
In all due respect, you may do as you like regarding staying or leaving
this wonderful list, however, we don't need to see continous posts with
the subject line "unsubscribe" and nothing in the body. It lets us see
that there are in fact an awful lot of people deciding to leave, which
is depressing enough, but we don't need unsubscribe emails plaqueing or
mailbox.
Regards,
Laurin
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From: antonioa@spin.com.mx ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Antonio Abad
Trillo)
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:37:25 -0500
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>Creatures,
>
> For once, and hopefully for all, the way to unsubscribe to this
>list is VERY simple, in fact, it's been clarified before. But,
>unfortunately, as goes with the rest of the population (with the
>exception of the good people on the list) people just do not listen.
>Here is the RIGHT way to unsubscribe to The Heavenly Creatures mailing
>list.
>
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>In all due respect, you may do as you like regarding staying or leaving
>this wonderful list, however, we don't need to see continous posts with
>the subject line "unsubscribe" and nothing in the body. It lets us see
>that there are in fact an awful lot of people deciding to leave, which
>is depressing enough, but we don't need unsubscribe emails plaqueing or
>mailbox.
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>Regards,
>Laurin
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