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001 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Heavenly Tours!
002 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Heavenly Tours!
003 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - HC showing in Melbourne cinema!
004 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Horses and Elephant!
005 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: Heavenly Convention
006 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: My subscription
007 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Heavenly Convention
008 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Something's rotten in Denmark!
009 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - HC hits British Cable TV! (a rant)
010 - Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com - Re: Something's rotten in Denmark!
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Heavenly Tours!
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:17:59 +0100 (BST)
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On Thursday 22 August, Kate Douglas mused
> Does anyone think that sometime in the future there would be interest in
> a Heavenly Creatures convention of sorts? After all, the Trekkies have
> them. Or are we unlike Trekkies in that regard?
>
> Perhaps we should all make a pilgrimage to New Zealand and pay homage to
> the historical site of HC.
>
> Just a wacky idea.
Wacky idea? Nay, extraordinary telepathy! I was just thinking something
similar (well, yesterday in fact, but I couldn't seem to post to the list
properly then).
The Heavenly Experience! A once-in-a-lifetime trip!
I have several cunning plans for gathering the rather huge air fare to
New Zealand (a mere 12,000 miles), viz:
(1) Sell horse. Mr. Bloody Perry has promised me fifty quid, but he
clearly hasn't heard of inflation.
(2) Steal the fellows' silver from my college. After all, it was named
after the first bishop of NZ (Selwyn), so they'll understand.
(3) Rob my father's safe. As he works in a bank, this might provide a
tidy sum.
Hmm, I'm still a bit short of cash. What we need is an HC-loving
millionaire who will fly us all to Christchurch and put us up in an old
rusty-roofed boarding house, with breakfast between seven and nine
(rather reasonable hours, I've always thought), sausage rolls for lunch,
and Scrabble after dinner.
Other exciting features of this unique Wingnut Tours production:
* Jean Guerin, in full 'It' getup, to lurk behind doors ready to go
'Boahh!' and 'Aaagh!'. Neck-kissing upon request (and get it right this
time, O Sexy Demon! [Where are is JG these days?])
* Simon O'Connor, dressing-gowned and slippered, to repeatedly burst
into our shacks and discover us in bed with Jed Brophy.
* Mel Lynskey to reside permanently in the bath, 'just washing her hair
now'. (Hmm, she may shrivel up, and that would *never* do. Perhaps those
stunt doubles could take a turn.)
* Sarah Peirse's Christmas presents available for use at all times!
Trekkies can have the Final Frontier.
We're all going to Heaven.
Hope to see you all in the city of the plains. June next?
Phil
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Subject: Re: Heavenly Tours!
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:56:17 +0800 (WST)
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And sell elephant.
sb
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
Subject: HC showing in Melbourne cinema!
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:19:38 +1000
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Hi all,
Just a short note. I just received my Astor cinema programme grid. I was
pleasantly surprised to see Heavenly Creatures listed in it. It is showing
on Friday, October 11th! It is the second of a double feature. The first
feature is Beautiful Girls and starts at 730pm. So any list Creatures
living in Melbourne, Australia should mark Friday, 11 October and be at the
Astor cinema. I will!
Regards, Donald
--
Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...
and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"
<http://netspace.net.au/~donaldc>
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Horses and Elephant!
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 03:01:46 -0700
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I had a brainwave just now...last night, I had figured out where Pauline
might of got the name 'Vendetta' for the horse in her fictional
writings. It appeared that the name must of risen from Mel Ferrer's (aka
THIS) movie "Vendetta"--produced in 1950. My first thought was Mel
Ferrer must of played an angry man in Vendetta hence, Mel Ferrer = The
Angry Man = THIS -- but then I found out that Mel directed Vendetta and
"The Angry Man" was no where to found in the credit of Vendetta -- but
judging from the number of his early films I think the reference Mel
Ferrer = The Angry Man = THIS is just a general description Pauline had
of him.
Now that I have an idea where the name of horse 'Vendetta' might come
from--I was wondering if anyone on list, whom might of seen some Mel's
films or know a thing or two about him, can rendered a second opinion?
I also had a notion that the reference: Guy Rolfe = King John = HIS in
Pauline's diary (not in the film) refers to Willian Shakespeare's 'King
John' and that perhaps Guy Rolfe was an actor in it. Any Shakespearean/
Greek tragedist out there?
********
My final thought is if HC is a tragedy--how would it fall in the
traditional structure of Shakespearean or Greek tragedy?
Introduction or Prologue (narrative, usually spoken): Jackson used the
archival film and radio footage of Christchurch which is perfect.
Chorus (usually sung of what an audience's thoughts or opinions at a
given time): There was a chorus at the beginning credit in the CGHS in
which Pauline did not participate in the hymm of "A Closer Walk With
Thee". There might be some significance here.
Five Acts (usually in Shakespearean and Greek tragedy, Operas usually
three, Musicals usually two: the intermission): I can't think of how to
we (or Peter Jackson for that matter) might break the plot into acts,
and how many, off hand...
Exodus (departing conclusion): While that would be "The Humming Chorus"
in the background I hear, while Pauline, Juliet and Honora walked
through Victoria Park. And also the final departing/deporting scene of
the ocean liner, in which we are left in total abandonment at the dock
with Pauline's tragedy...
Well, I hope that makes sense...it is late and Mahler's Ninth Symphony
is coming to an end. Goodbye world.
--
Sweets to the sweet: farewell!
Act V. Sc. 1, Hamlet -lybao@earthlink.net
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:49:14 +0930
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Um... I'm all for it.
Surely the fact that Christchurch shows no sign of 'admitting' the horrible
deed is all the more reason for a group of us to go over there and convince
them that it actually happened (Sorry Jane! - I didn't mean you). I know
that *I'd* want to go.
Still, if NZ won't acknowledge the film (or the event), how could HC have
done so well at the 1995 NZ film awards? What was it competing against?
Hey! Maybe we could take them some HC paraphernalia (has anyone got any
posters?) I'd like a coffee mug with a picture of Miss Stewart frowning on
the bottom. Then maybe I wouldn't drink so much coffee...
Anyway, I think I've long since stopped making sense, so
Bye.
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: Re: My subscription
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:57:29 +0930
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Can anyone help me?
When I joined this list I made the fatal error of getting a normal
subscription (one big message each day), but now I realise what a terrible
mistake I have made, and I want to get all my messages separately.
Any suggestions? Can I get the new subscription and then cancel the old
one? Would this work?
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Heavenly Convention
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:43:23 -0700
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9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au wrote:
>
> Um... I'm all for it.
>
> Surely the fact that Christchurch shows no sign of 'admitting' the horrible
> deed is all the more reason for a group of us to go over there and convince
> them that it actually happened (Sorry Jane! - I didn't mean you). I know
> that *I'd* want to go.
I have already wrote to New Zealand Minimpaps Ltd (the one in the FAQ)
requesting a map of Christchurch and the South Bays of 'Bloody' Islands
and they were very nice to me even though I clearly stated my interest
and that I got their address from the HC FAQ! However, they did referred
me to Map Link in Santa Barbara, California (one of their chain) for
reason of convience, I hope, or otherwise, hum...
BTW, I just subcribed you the per-postings version of the list -- did
you get a List Auth Request? Just reply by changing the subject line
[..] > Reject to "Accept" if you want the subsingles, do nothing if you
want to remain on the regular digest-version.
--
"We saw a gateway throught the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Something's rotten in Denmark!
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:22:49 -0700
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Did Hamlet had an affair with Ophelia?
According Kenneth Branagh he did--his new version Hamlet has a love
scene written just for our lovable Kate Winslet (playing the role of
Ophelia).
According to some (and I speaking of the literary journals I've read),
Hamlet is a homosexual--causing me to wonder if it is possible--and that
Kenneth Branagh might of totally overlooked this point-of-view when he
wrote-in a love scene between Hamlet and Ophelia (um, him and Kate)
believing that they did have an affair! And who am I to complain? While
Kate Winslet can make us enjoy even the simplest of simplest, "A Kid in
King Arthur's Court", she will no doubt bring new life to "Hamlet" and
Shakespeare. After all, if one enjoys Disney's version of Mark Twain's
"A Yankee in King Authur's Court" (the true Winslet fan will read this
[nah!]), thou shalt drag thou aunts and uncles on Christmas day to see
the 3 1/2-hours long "Hamlet". Kate is in it: and in scenes which will
require vocal fireworks, she will no doubt do Shakespeare some justice!
As for Kenneth Branagh, perhaps this is, at last, an American Hamlet
[once more] (with Robin William & Billy Crystal in it)? And nevermind
about the homosexual gaze of Mel Gibson (some have claimed)...I think
the question is: "To see or not see, Kate Winslet nude?"
"Be thou as chaste as ice, as pure as snow, thou shalt not escape
calumny. Get thee to a nunnery, go." Act II. Sc. 2, Hamlet
--
Sweets to the sweet: farewell!
Act V. Sc. 1, Hamlet -lybao@earthlink.net
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: HC hits British Cable TV! (a rant)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:57:05 +0100 (BST)
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British cable TV (Sky Movies) is at last premiering HC, tomorrow
(Saturday) night! I caught the trailer quite by chance this evening,
as I had left the pub early and nipped up to the grad students common room
at my college to tape 'Leon'.
I can't quite remember it word for word, as I was struggling to get the
video to work, but I do remember being very annoyed at its tactics:
'Academy nominee Kate Winslet plays child murderer Anne Perry, now a
famous crime writer, in this thrilling tale of...' bla bla bla.
This maketh me angry. As well as needlessly dragging Anne Perry's name
into it all over again (is it really relevant to anyone who isn't moved
by the film? And anyone who is moved by the film will go and find out
such things, with or without the fantastic Web resources we are so lucky
to share. If they don't bother, then (i) they're not really moved by
the film, and (ii) they don't deserve to know about A.P. That's how I
feel about it). 'Sky' is owned by that nice man Rupert Murdoch, so I
suppose this is what I should have expected. I *had* to rush off to the
nearest computer to tell you all how I loathe the guy. OK, so he made my
uncle redundant in the eighties too...
Technicals: it looks like the standard British video release,
unfortunately, no letter-boxing or what-not. I'm going to see England
get creamed at cricket tomorrow, but I'll make damn sure I'm back in time
to check out the screening. Full report to follow.
Worst of all, they didn't even *mention* Mel Lynskey, who, at least as I
remember it, has a small part in this film...
Rantingly yours
Phil
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From: Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com>
Subject: Re: Something's rotten in Denmark!
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:35:37 +0000 (GMT)
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Well, since I last read Hamlet, which was about 5 months ago, Hamlet was
not blatantly gay. And there was an affair between Hamlet and Ophelia. In
fact, his being an asshole to Ophelia contributed to her commiting
suicide. About the gay thing, I don't think that he was gay, but that
doesn't mean that he wasn't. Depending on who you talk to, just about
every great literary figure was gay. This includes Hamlet and even
Shakespeare himself. I think that sometimes people take it a little too
far when analyzing homossexual actions of literary figures. I mean... I
certainly didn't see any homosexual actions of Hamlet. But hey.... who knows.
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001 - danny g acosta <opensesam - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n101
002 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Re: Heavenly Convention
003 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n101
004 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - Adam's World of Fun
005 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - On the calm black waters pale Ophelia floats...
006 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Horses and Elephant!
007 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Announcements
008 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - [Fwd: ] Maclean's Mar. 27, 1995
009 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - [Fwd: ] People Weekly Sept. 26, 1994
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From: danny g acosta <opensesame@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n101
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:33:01 -0700
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sorry to write this here but can anyone email and tell me how i can cancel
my email subscription?
thank you!
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From: Michael Pellas <mpellas@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: Heavenly Convention
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:07:20 -0400
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Please, count me in on the convention...I lost my breath when I discovered
Anne Perry's mystery section at my local bookstore...I have a terrible job
to think what I'd do in Christchurch!!!
Phil: I was talking to a friend the other day who just watched HC...per my
hearty recommendation, of course...when it came on a movie channel I was
watching... Starz! to be exact...talk about frightfully romantic. I was in
literal and figurative heaven!!
faithfully yours,
Michael
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From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
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To: Phil West
Re: The Heavenly Experience, from Wingnut Tours
Phil, that has to be the most delightful thing I've read so far in this
mailing list. Juat wanted to express my appreciation!
Now to find that HC-loving milllionaire.
Adam
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From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
Subject: Adam's World of Fun
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:10:52 -0800
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A brief note to all Creatures...
Till now, there was one glaring hole in the otherwise vast wealth of
knowledge and information on the Net. Nothing exclusively about me!
This situation has now been corrected with the opening to the public of
_Adam's World of Fun_! Everything you ever wanted to know about Adam,
creator of the HC WebFAQ and all-around groovy guy.
And just to confirm that this message is not as blatantly off topic as it
may appear, there is also an essay there on my Heavenly Creatures
experience.
Hope you like it!
Adam
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: On the calm black waters pale Ophelia floats...
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:14:08 +0930
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Here's my $0.02 -
I believe that Ophelia was having an affair with a peasant boy from a
nearby village (which is why she wouldn't sleep with Hamlet). Hamlet
found out, killed the peasant boy, and tried to blackmail Ophelia into
sleeping with him. When she still refused his amorous advances, he
killed her (suffocation - no evidence) and threw her body into the
river. When she was found soon after, everyone assumed it was suicide.
If I'm not mistaken, this theory does not actually contradict anything
in Shakespeare's 'version' (although he would have had to have been
rather selective in his choice of material).
So, Hamlet was potentialy heterosexual, but effectively asexual.
Actually, maybe he was just autosexual (?).
As for the idea of a convention in NZ, when do people want to go?
I think that a June trip would be good (mid-year break!), but it would
be, I think, rather macabre to meet on the day of the happy event.
As Jane has not yet replied to the enqiry about the NZ videos of HC, I
will tell the enquirer what she told me a few months ago. You can't get
'em. And even if you could, it's illegal to send 'em out of the country.
Do I remember correctly, Jane? Please correct me if I'm wrong...
'til next time...
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
p.s. - Bao... I don't think the subscription worked (at least, not yet).
I haven't received any reject/accept message (I'll keep waiting!).
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Horses and Elephant!
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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> I also had a notion that the reference: Guy Rolfe = King John = HIS in
> Pauline's diary (not in the film) refers to Willian Shakespeare's 'King
> John' and that perhaps Guy Rolfe was an actor in it. Any Shakespearean/
> Greek tragedist out there?
>
They won't help you - Guy Rolfe played Prince/King John in Ivanhoe, ie the
wicked brother of Richard Coeur de Lion, the same who fronted the barons,
producing magna carta etc. Ivanhoe is based on Walter Scott's probably
now little-read novel about Saxons vs Normans, the persecution of English
Jews, Robin Hood, and any other loose bits of roughly synchronic
historical fodder he found lying about.
cheers
Sandra
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Hello everyone:
I just wanted to announce that I now have the Anne Perry's Maclean's
(Haunted by Homicide) and People Weekly (Blood Memory) articles,
available on HeavenlyWeb in full color, in ASCII-text and will post them
soon.
I had also captured a bunch of frames of Kate Winslet from "A Kid in
King Authur's Court" for The Unoffical Kate Winslet Page (33 to be
exact)--but unfortunately, John's mail server is acting up and he won't
be able to get them until next Friday.
Finally, I've been putting together a "Heavenly Creatures Catalogue"
bookmark for quite sometime now. It's about 4 miles long and the size of
Poland (not to be exact)--it's what every heavenly creatures need
really. It's has all the links to: Anne Perry, Heavenly Links, Heavenly
Music/Saints, Heavenly Reviews, Kate Winslet, Melanie Lynskey, Peter
Jackson and Related Searches that I have done. I hope Thai or John would
want to leave on their site (I haven't contact them about it yet)--I
will probably send them a copy and see what they think. You can also
e-mail if you want me to send you a private copy.
Thanks for listening...
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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Maclean's March 27 1995, v108, n13, p61(1)
Haunted by homicide. (author Ann Perry is accused of murder)
(Screen Pages: 1-6) Document Page 1
Anne Perry is nothing if not persistent. For years she led the sort of
hand-to-mouth lifestyle that has become the stereotype for the
struggling artist. She began writing historical fiction when she was
in her mid-20s, enduring 13 years of rejection slips before a
publisher finally accepted her first novel in 1979. Even after that,
she continued to support herself with odd jobs, from limousine
dispatcher in Beverly Hills, Calif., to a series of clerical positions
in her native Britain. ``It was just six years ago that I made enough
money from my writing to finally pay income tax,'' she said while in
Toronto earlier this month to promote her 20th murder mystery,
Traitors Gate. At last Perry, who now lives in the tiny Scottish
Highlands village of Portmahomack overlooking the North Sea, has
achieved the security that many writers only dream of: she recently
signed a $1.4-million contract to write a further eight books in the
next four years. But the tranquillity that came with her success
evaporated last summer. In August, The Sunday News of Auckland, New
Zealand, revealed that Perry was one of the two 15-year-old murderers
portrayed in the current movie Heavenly Creatures. The film had
revived interest in the 1954 slaying of Honora Parker by her daughter
Pauline and Pauline's close friend, Perry. The two served 51/2 years
in prison.
That revelation resulted in a maelstrom of publicity for Perry, 56,
who until then had been best known for the historical accuracy and
domestic detail of her murder mysteries set in Victorian London. The
media scrutiny has come in waves coinciding with the release dates of
the movie worldwide. And Perry's attempts to discredit the film, which
she refuses to see, have contributed to her continuing notoriety. Her
description of it as a grotesque and distorted portrait of her life
prompted Miramax Films to place a recent advertisement in The New York
Times promising to arrange a screening for her. ``Please see the movie
before you judge it or speak out against it,'' the ad read.
Despite suggestions by some commentators that such publicity is a
great promotional tool for her books--more than three million are in
print--Perry says it is not only unwanted but has been devastating for
her emotionally. Since her release from prison in 1960, only her
family, closest friends and members of the Mormon church, which she
joined when she lived in California in the late 1960s, have known that
she was the once-infamous Juliet Hulme. She left New Zealand, where
her family had moved seeking relief for her various chest ailments,
and took the surname of her stepfather, Bill Perry, who was originally
from Winnipeg. Anne Perry says that her 83-year-old mother, who lives
near her, ``has suffered very much.'' She adds that people in
Portmahomack have been remarkably supportive, as have employees at her
North American publisher, Ballantine Books, who offered to release her
from the current book-promotion tour. ``I very nearly stayed home,''
she said, ``but I've got to either stay in hiding for the rest of my
life, or go through this and come out the other side.''
Perry seems genuinely mystified by the frenzied fascination with her
past. ``I thought, `After 40 years, who cares?' The Berlin Wall has
come down, Communism has fallen, the whole world has changed since
then.'' She is also bitter about some of the comments made about her,
both then and now--particularly the notion that there was a sexual
component to her relationship with Pauline Parker. Perry will not
discuss details of the murder, saying only that she remembers little
because she was on a medication for her lungs that has since been
taken off the market because of its judgment-altering side-effects.
Her voice becomes even edgier when she notes that because she was a
minor, she was not allowed to testify at the trial. Adding to her
frustration is the fact that the prosecution's case (like the movie)
was based largely on the diaries of Pauline, who had outlined her
plans to kill her mother. ``I don't know how you can use one person's
diary as evidence of another person's behavior,'' Perry says, adding
that such scribblings are wide open to misinterpretation. For
instance, Pauline, whom she says she has not seen or spoken to since
the trial, wrote about seeing ``George in the night,'' says Perry. ``I
believe that in North America the equivalent is `the john,' but the
prosecution tried to make out that she had a lover.''
Her greatest scorn, however, is reserved for those who say she shows
no remorse. A proper, almost brusque, Englishwoman, she is indeed no
meek penitent. But she insists that ``the misrepresentation is pretty
high--I always expressed remorse.'' For now, her goal is to get back
into the daily rhythm of her life in Portmahomack, where she lives
alone--she never married--in a converted stone barn. Perry, who writes
in longhand, works six days a week. Traitors Gate is the 15th
instalment of the chronicles of police Supt. Thomas Pitt and his wife,
Charlotte, who uses her highborn connections to help her husband solve
cases. Perry has also written five books featuring William Monk, a
detective in 1850s London. Under the terms of her new contract she
will produce one book a year in each mystery series. She will also
finally get to publish some of her historical fiction, including a
novel set during the French Revolution. It is one of the books
publishers have rejected; Perry is now on her fifth rewrite. But now
that her past has been widely publicized, it will be especially
difficult for her readers to think about Perry without also thinking
about murder.
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People Weekly Sept 26 1994, v42, n13, p57(3)
Blood memory. (mystery writer Anne Perry assisted a murder as a teenager)
(Screen Pages: 1-9) Document Page 1
TO HER NEIGHBORS IN THE SCENIC Scottish fishing village of
Portmahomack, Anne Perry, 55, was the very model of middle-aged
propriety -- dignified, devout, devoted to her 82-year-old mother, her
pets and her rose garden. To mystery buffs, she was the author of two
Victorian detective series admired as much for their moral resonance
as for their rich period detail. Then suddenly this summer came a
development as startling as any in Perry's 19 novels: in July, New
Zealand's Sunday News revealed that 40 years ago there, as teenager
Juliet Hulme, she had been convicted of helping murder a friend's
mother.
"I thought, `This will ruin me. It will kill my mother, lose me my
friends and ruin my career,' " says Perry, whose identity was
discovered by journalist Lin Ferguson while working on a story
inspired by a new film about the sensational 1954 case, Heavenly
Creatures. "I never thought it would come out, but it's always been at
the back of my mind. You do go around thinking, `What would people
think if they really knew?' "
Forty years ago, all of New Zealand did know -- or thought it knew --
the story of the frail, London-born immigrant and her 16-year-old best
friend, Pauline Parker. Perry, daughter of a physicist turned college
administrator and his schoolteacher wife, had suffered since childhood
from what she calls a chest complaint, and when she was 8, a doctor
told her mother he didn't think the girl would survive another English
winter. So Perry was shipped off to live with a foster family for 15
months, first in the Bahamas, then in New Zealand, where her parents
joined her. When tuberculosis confined her to a sanatorium for three
months in 1953, she forged a close friendship with her schoolmate,
Parker, through a daily exchange of letters.
With her parents out of the country during her sanatorium stay,
"Pauline was my only contact with the outside world," Perry recalls.
"I didn't know if I was going to get better, and she stood by me as a
lifeline." Her friend was also "desperately unhappy," according to
Perry, and suffered from an illness much like bulimia. After Perry's
release, she was considered too weak to return to school. Her
isolation at home was deepened by the disorienting effects of a
respiratory medication, which Perry says was later taken off the
market because it was "judgment-distorting."
Then in the spring of 1954 Perry's world collapsed. Her father lost
his job as president of Christchurch University and announced he would
be returning to England via South Africa, while Perry's mother,
Marion, left the country with a family friend soon to be her second
husband. Perry was expected to leave with her father and 10-year-old
brother -- but without Pauline, unless her friend's parents allowed
her to go.
Pauline's mother forbade it. Her distraught daughter suggested murder
-- and Perry agreed to participate because, she says, she believed her
friend "would take her own life if I didn't do this with her. To me,
at that time . . . I know it's stupid, but it seemed to be one life
or the other. She had stood by me when I was ill, and to my mind it
seemed like no one else had. . . . Was I going to walk out and leave
her?"
>From this point on, Perry says she can recall almost nothing of either
the murder or the lurid trial that followed. The prosecution alleged
that on June 22, 1954, Honora Parker was bludgeoned 45 times with a
half-brick given to Pauline by Perry. In her statement to police,
Perry admitted striking at least one blow herself. Her only
recollection now, Perry says, is outrage at her lawyer for not
allowing her to rebut what she felt were the prosecution's
distortions, including depictions of her and Pauline as "dirty-minded
little girls" engaged in a relationship with lesbian overtones. "All I
remember is the horror of people talking about me and not being able
to say, `No, no, that's not it,' " she says.
The prosecution's case relied heavily on a diary kept by Pauline, in
which she detailed the girls' plans for the deadly assault.
Pretending to be resigned to their upcoming separation, they would
accompany Pauline's mother on a farewell outing to a Christchurch
park. Perry was to plant a bright object ahead on their path; when
Mrs. Parker stooped to pick it up, Pauline would strike her on the
head. "I feel very keyed up as though I were planning a surprise
party," Pauline wrote. "The happy event is to take place tomorrow
afternoon. So next time I write in this diary, Mother will be dead.
How odd, yet how pleasing. . . ."
Convicted of murder following a six-day trial, both girls were
sentenced to indefinite terms and sent to separate facilities. (Perry
says she never saw or communicated with Pauline after the trial and
has no idea what became of her.) Perry spent most of her 5 1/2-year
sentence at Mount Eden, an adult prison regarded as the toughest in
the country. First came three months of solitary confinement during
which, Perry says, the fog from her medication began to clear. "I got
on my knees and said, `I am at fault, and I am sorry,' " she says.
"The best way to fulfill being sorry is to make jolly sure that from
then on you do the best you can in every respect."
By 1960, both Perry and Pauline had been released and given new
identities by New Zealand authorities because of the notoriety of the
case. But Perry chose to take the name of her stepfather, Bill Perry,
when she returned to England and moved in with him and her mother in
the industrial city of Newcastle-on-Tyne. Though her memories are
hazy of just what role her parents played during her arrest and trial,
Perry says, "I want to make it plain that my family stood by me
absolutely."
For the next 17 years, she supported herself mainly by secretarial
work. "I was socially awkward then," says Perry of the period, which
included five years in California before she returned to England. As
for memories of her crime, "I had periods of feeling rotten, but they
got further and further apart. Nature does heal." So, too, she found,
did the doctrines of the Mormon church, to which she was introduced by
her neighbors in the San Francisco area in the late '60s. "I suppose I
was drawn by the inherent kindness and fairness of it," says the
never-married Perry, whose social life since has centered around the
church. "It is not a religion that says you're going to get something
for nothing. You cannot do something wrong and walk away from it, but
what you do is repent."
Perry, who says she had always wanted to write, published her first
Victorian mystery, The Cater Street Hangman, in 1979, and has since
sold 3 million books in the U.S. alone. She claims she only tried her
hand at crime fiction because nobody would buy the historical novels
she began writing in her late 20s. She disavows any resemblance
between herself and the amnesiac detective hero of one series, William
Monk.
"He's got a whole past he doesn't remember," says Perry of Monk, who
is featured in her new mystery, The Sins of the Wolf, out next month
(Fawcett/Columbine). "My missing period was only a few weeks." Yet she
admits she invented the Monk character because "I wanted to explore
looking for the monster outside and finding it in yourself."
When Perry's past caught up with her, she initially feared losing the
tranquillity she had found five years ago in Portmahomack, where she
shares a dramatic converted barn with three dogs and two cats. (Her
mother lives nearby.) Instead, says the village postmistress, Peggy
D'Inverno, "everyone has rallied round, even people I thought would
enjoy the scandal." Perry's publisher has been similarly supportive.
"We were greatly surprised," says Linda Grey, president and publisher
of the Ballantine Publishing Group. "But there was never a moment
where we didn't feel that this was a very courageous woman, who had
led an exemplary life . . . who we feel it's important to continue to
support."
Though she hardly welcomed the exposure, Perry can see now, she says,
that "in some way perhaps it is the last step as far as healing is
concerned. Because I'm finding that now practically everybody in the
world knows who I really am -- and they still like me."
CAPTION: "I've chosen to forget a great deal, because you can't
survive if you don't," says Perry.
CAPTION: Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme, as Perry was once known, are
played by Melanie Lynskey (left) and Kate Winslet in a new film
opening this fall.
CAPTION: "After the first blow . . . I knew it would be necessary to
kill her," Perry (left, with Parker) told police.
CAPTION: "You can't alter yesterday, but today and tomorrow you can.
That's yours," says Perry (in her attic office).
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001 - kate ann jacobson <kjac@u - Re: Horses and Elephant
002 - Bryan Woodworth <bryanw@6 - Video! (fwd)
003 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - The Guardian loves HC & PJ
004 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Horses and Elephant!
005 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: Horses and Elephant!
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Bao Ly wrote:
> Now that I have an idea where the horse "Vendetta" might come from--
> I was wondering if anyone on the list, who might have seen some of
> Mel's films or know a thing or two about him, can render a second
> opinion.
Yes, I definately think that came from Mel's film, but there is something
else that is very curious, and I don't know if it's a coincidence or not.
The girls original name for Diello was "Diablo", and this was also the
name of Mel and his wife, Audrey Hepburn's, private horse. Mel and Audrey
were married in early 1953, so it's possible the girls knew about this.
Incidentally, in a highly publicized event, Diablo later threw Audrey while
she was riding him, causing her to have a miscarraige, but Audrey liked the
horse so much, she kept him on.
- kate
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Hi all, per the request of Kieren. See ya!
b
Forwarded message:
> From kieren.jameson@vuw.ac.nz Sun Aug 25 00:54:49 1996
> Message-ID: <321EA88D.51F9@vuw.ac.nz>
> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:00:29 +1300
> From: kieren Jameson <kieren.jameson@vuw.ac.nz>
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I)
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> Hi Bryan,
>
> Visited your Heavenly Creatures website recently- Wow! I'm in New
> Zealand currently, and I'm shooting a video about the Parker-Hulme case
> and Heavenly Creatures. It's going to be part documentary and part
> experimental. I will be in Christchurch from 26 August to 31 August,
> and in Wellington from 2 Sept to 23 Sept. I was wondering if you could
> forward this message to your mailing list, because I was wondering if
> any Heavenly fans out there might want to grant me an interview while
> I'm in town! They can reach me at this e-mail address until 23 Sept.
>
> Thanks heaps! And thanks for all the "heavenly" info on the site.
> Wen Minkoff
>
--
"'Tis indeed a miracle, one must feel, bryan woodworth
that two such heavenly creatures are real." bryanw@borovnia.666.org
-- "Heavenly Creatures," 1994 PGP Public Key obtainable
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A short PJ/HC appreciation from this newspaper, which continues
to drop regular hints to the terrifically dull lower classes about HC and
'The Frighteners'. Nothing new, really, except that it is rare for Sarah
Peirse to get the praise she deserves. I'd love to see her in something
else new, as well as Mel Lynskey. (Kate W we can't escape, let's face
it!)
'If you thought John Travolta's career switcheroo remarkable, consider the
case of Peter Jackson. This NZ-based censor-botherer (who's just debuted
in Hollywood with Ghostbusters-with-guts The Frigheners) made his name
with power-tool-wielding, entrails-and-vomit-soaked horror cheapies Bad
Taste and Braindead, before following up with the scatalogical puppet
caper Meet The Feebles. But for his next trick, Jackson wowed them with
his most commercial yet most horrifying film to date. Beautifully shot,
tenderly played, and emotionally shattering beyond compare, Heavenly
Creatures is clearly not the work of any old video-shop gorehound.
Undoubtedly the finest true crime film in recent memory (no, Fargo doesn't
count), it uses actual diary entries to tell how two teenage girls in
fifties Christchurch came to retreat into their own fantasy world -
hauntingly captured by Jackson using imposing clay figures and digital
effects - and then murder one of their mothers in order to stay there.
Juliet (Kate Winslet) is an English new girl whose relentless perkiness
and enthusiasm for Italian tenor Mario Lanza hide legion insecurities.
She finds an admirer in frumpy but bright loner Pauline (Melanie Lynskey),
and they develop a friendship so intense it could only end in tragedy.
Although Winslet deserved almost every bit of attention she got from this
film, the acting honours must go to Sarah Peirse, who plays Pauline's
doomed parent not as a possessive witch, but as a heart-broken everymum.
It's a tribute to Jackson's craft that the oft-repeated post-script -
telling that it was a condition of their release that they never can see
each other again - just seems to pile tragedy on top of tragedy.'
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Sandra Bowdler wrote:
> They won't help you - Guy Rolfe played Prince/King John in Ivanhoe, ie the
> wicked brother of Richard Coeur de Lion, the same who fronted the barons,
> producing magna carta etc. Ivanhoe is based on Walter Scott's probably
> now little-read novel about Saxons vs Normans, the persecution of English
> Jews, Robin Hood, and any other loose bits of roughly synchronic
> historical fodder he found lying about.
You're right! Guy Rolfe = Prince John, who ascended to the throne of
Richard (The Lion Hearted) Coeur de Lion by the end of Sir Walter
Scott's "Ivanhoe", hence King John = HIS. Thank you for setting me back
on track! I actually did a quick read of "Ivanhoe", though I still don't
know who Guy Rolfe is.
*********
kate ann jacobson (welcome back!) wrote:
>Yes, I definately think that came from Mel's film, but there is something
>else that is very curious, and I don't know if it's a coincidence or not.
>The girls original name for Diello was "Diablo", and this was also the
>name of Mel and his wife, Audrey Hepburn's, private horse. Mel and Audrey
>were married in early 1953, so it's possible the girls knew about this.
You're right! In that I am right! This is very weird (considering
'Horses and Elephant!' and all that). Diello ("Dialbo" in some accounts
of the murder trial is a rather obvious anagram of Diablo, Spanish for
"the Devil", according to the FAQ) was crowned King of Borovnia: a world
of bloodlust, sex, and violence. According to the movie, Pauline thought
of name "Diello". This name was believed to have come from James Mason's
film "Five Fingers" in alias of Diello Ulysses. But the thought of
Diello might of first been concieved as Dialbo/Diablo, in possible
connection with Audrey Hepburn's horse and also Mel Ferrar's "Vendetta"
and also with Pauline's horse in fictional writings--is really bonkers!
I think I'm going crazy...
Somebody tell me: "No, you're not, Gina--"
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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It's *so* nice to be here!
> You're right! In that I am right! This is very weird (considering
> 'Horses and Elephant!' and all that). Diello ("Dialbo" in some accounts
> of the murder trial is a rather obvious anagram of Diablo, Spanish for
> "the Devil", according to the FAQ) was crowned King of Borovnia: a world
> of bloodlust, sex, and violence.
So... Does this make Borovnia 'Hell'? I didn't quite get that impression
from the film, but who knows? It was certainly Hell for some of the Lower
Classes (Nicholas, the Priest...), but it seemed like Paradise for P&J.
What does that say about them?
> I think I'm going crazy...
No you're not, Gina!
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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001 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Borvonia and Hell
002 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Heaven and Hell
003 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - It's...
004 - kate ann jacobson <kjac@u - Re: Heaven and Hell
005 - "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@ - Aria and Pics
006 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Aria and Pics
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
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9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au wrote:
> It's *so* nice to be here!
Welcome to the Fourth World! (you have discovered the key)...
metaphorically speaking, the Chat Zone is where Borovnia is at.
snip...
> So... Does this make Borovnia 'Hell'? I didn't quite get that impression
> from the film, but who knows? It was certainly Hell for some of the Lower
> Classes (Nicholas, the Priest...), but it seemed like Paradise for P&J.
> What does that say about them?
No, I don't think you can called the Fourth World "Heaven", inasmuch as
you can called Borovnia "Hell". Juliet doesn't believe that there is a
hell (in real life, during the trial: Juliet actually said there was no
hell--"the idea is so primitive.") and that the Fourth World is not
heaven but better (when Pauline commented: "But we're all going
to 'Hihvin!'" What did Juliet say? "It sort of like Heaven, only better
because there aren't any Christians"). She said she was going to the
Fourth World!
Somebody help me out here...
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> No, I don't think you can called the Fourth World "Heaven", inasmuch as
> you can called Borovnia "Hell".
Hmmm... I agree. I was just drawing some sort of conclusion out of the idea
that Diello was (maybe) derived from the devil. Nonetheless, still harping
on about the Fourth World/Borovnia => Heaven/Hell thing, isn't it rather
interesting how near the end of the film (when Pauline arrives to stay at
Ilam), the Fourth World (i.e. Mario Lanza) and Borovnia become one as the
girls dance. I think this is during the 'The Loveliest Night of the Year'
sequence. Is there anything to this? I'm probably just getting carried
away, but I'm thinking... nirvana (ni heaven ni hell)? Someone has probably
already discussed this - if so, please ignore my comments. :-)
Ecstatically,
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: It's...
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:24:45 +0100 (BST)
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Monty Python's Flying Circus. Episode 33, to be precise...
The importance of anti-establishment humour to Pauline, Juliet, Peter
Jackson and Frances Walsh, and, I take it, to HC fans, has been on my
mind. One step ahead as always, the FAQ points out that Jackson is a
noted Monty Python fan (5.2.1) and notes the probable origins of the
Biggles-reading / 'Nnnaaywww!'-ing scenes in a Python sketch about
Biggles and 'pooftas'(3.1.20) - though it garbles the dialogue rather.
So I went back to that Biggles episode (33) and found that it also
contains the sublime 'Sam Peckinpah's Salad Days' sketch, which I have
been trying to remember ever since I saw HC (thanks for your help there,
Adam). If you put together the Ilam garden party scene ('Anyone for
tennis?') with the bloody imagined deaths of Rev. Norris and Dr. Bennett,
then add in the deleted Rieper dinner-table massacre, the covert Python
tribute is complete! From what Jean Guerin told us of PJ's sly sense of
humour (remember that 'Meet the Windsors' joke with Melanie Lynskey?), I
reckon he is a big fan of this episode and had a good smirk when he and
Frances Walsh wrote those heavenly scenes. I don't think there's any
great significance in all this; it's just a nice instance of the same sort
of humour at work.
I think any HC fan will love this short sketch, at any rate.
'SALAD DAYS (1971) DIRECTOR SAM PECKINPAH'
[Lyrical scene of boys in white flannels and girls in pretty dresses
frolicking on a lawn to the accompaniment of a piano played by one of the
boys. Lionel enters holding a tennis racket.]
Lionel. (Michael Palin) Anyone for tennis?
All. Hello Lionel.
Lionel. I say what a simply super day.
All. Gosh, yes.
Woman. It's so, you know, sunny.
Lionel. Yes, isn't it? I say, anyone for tennis?
Julian (Grahame Chapman) Oh super!
Charles (Eric Idle) What fun.
Julian. I say, Lionel, catch.
[He throws the tennis ball to Lionel. It hits Lionel on the head. Lionel
claps one hand to his forehead. He roars in pain as blood seeps through
his fingers.]
Lionel. Oh gosh.
[He tosses his racket out of frame and we hear a hideous scream. The
camera pans to pick up a pretty girl in summer frock with the handle of
the racket embedded in her stomach. Blood is pouring out down her dress.]
Girl. Oh crikey.
[Spitting blood out of her mouth she collapses onto the floor clutching at
Charles' arm. The arm comes off. Buckets of blood burst out of the
shoulder drenching the girl and anyone else in the area. He staggers
backwards against the piano. The piano lid drops, severing the pianist's
hands. The pianist screams. He stands, blood spurting from his hands
over piano music. The piano collapses in slow motion, shot from several
angles simultaneously as per 'Zabriskie Point'. Intercut terrified faces
of girls screaming in slow motion. The piano eventually crushes them to
death; an enormous pool of blood immediately swells up from beneath piano
where the girls are. We see Julian stagger across the frame with the
piano keyboard through his stomach. As he turns the end of the keyboard
knocks off the head of a terrified girl who is sitting on the grass
nearby. A volcanic quantity of blood geysers upwards. Pull out and
upward from this scene as the music starts again."
More like 'Braindead' or one of the girls' stories? I dunno, but it's
damn funny. See the vid and ignore the tedious rubbish they fill up the
rest of the episode with.
Yours soaked in maple-syrup, cochineal and H2O,
Phil
P.S. It's just occured to me - remember in 'The Meaning of Life', when
Death is introduced to the polite dinner party. What do they say?
- 'He's a Rieper'? Groan.
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From: kate ann jacobson <kjac@unm.edu>
Subject: Re: Heaven and Hell
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:02:23 -0600 (MDT)
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Shannon wrote:
> Nonetheless, still harping on about the Fourth World/Borovnia =>
> Heaven/Hell thing, isn't it rather interesting how near the end
> of the film (when Pauline arrives to stay at Ilam), the Fourth
> World (i.e. Mario Lanza) and Borovnia become one as the girls dance.
> I think this is during 'The Loveliest Night of the Year' sequence.
> Is there anything to this?
This is one of my favorite scenes! Yes, I think there is something to it,
but I don't think it's heaven meeting hell. (How could Borovnia be hell
if Deborah is the empress of it?) I think when the three worlds intermingle
here (Borovnia, Fourth World, and real life,i.e. Dr. Hulme) it is sort of
a dizzying climax to the seperate threads that have been going on in the
movie. Everything has finally built up to this scene of ecstasy and
"madness", and confusion of fantasy with reality. I think this may have
something to do with the fact that even though the girls don't want to
be separated, at this point in the story they fear they might be, and
maybe, subconsciously, they are "rushing" their joint imaginations to
lead them someplace new that will provide an answer to their problem. I
think it's no coincidence, then, that after this ecstatic "collision",
two brand new things do happen - the girls make love, and plan the murder.
But that's only my two cents.......
- kate
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From: "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Aria and Pics
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:58:33 -0700
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Would anyone know the English translation, or perhaps just the general gist, of
Juliet's Aria?
Also, I found the recreation of Pauline's school picture in HC to be one of the
most chilling and lasting images of the movie. (I've rewound it countless
times) The look on Pauline's face, the startling contrast between her and the
other bright smiling girls, its all quite disturbing. (And a constant and vivid
image in my HC dreams and nightmares) Does anyone know where I can find the
original picture. Actually, I'd really like to find anything that concerns the
real life events. (I've read the FAQ and I've seen the pictures of Juliet in
the garden at Ilam, and of Juliet and Pauline outside the courthouse. - by the
way are the courthouse pics during the trial?? were they allowed contact at
this time?)
aside: Is it just me or is anyone else haunted by this movie?
Actually its not just the movie its the whole thing, the story
itself. But I find myself thinking about it all the time. I'm
absolutly fascinated. I am no stranger to the gory and
macabre, but this movie has affected me more than even the most
gruesome of gruesomes. Maybe its because it has such a sad and true ring to
it, the vivid class distinctions are, among other things, indicators that this
kind of thing can happen to anyone, no matter who you are, or where your daddy
works.
Thanks all, your comments and info will be greatly appreciated and eagerly
anticipated.
Joanne :)
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Aria and Pics
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:36:59 +0800 (WST)
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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Joanne Hickey wrote:
> Would anyone know the English translation, or perhaps just the general gist, of
> Juliet's Aria?
This is in the FAQ, or any decent libretto/translation of La Boheme.
>
> Also, I found the recreation of Pauline's school picture in HC to be one of the
> most chilling and lasting images of the movie. (I've rewound it countless
> times) The look on Pauline's face, the startling contrast between her and the
> other bright smiling girls, its all quite disturbing. (And a constant and vivid
> image in my HC dreams and nightmares) Does anyone know where I can find the
> original picture.
Wilson, Colin and Pitman, Patricia
"Encyclopaedia of Murder." Pan Books, London, 1961. Reprinted Cox
& Wyman Ltd, Reading, U.K., 1984. ISBN 0 330 28300 6
Gurr, T. and Cox, H.
"Famous Australasian Crimes." Muller, London, 1957.
Actually, I'd really like to find anything that concerns the
> real life events. (I've read the FAQ and I've seen the pictures of Juliet in
> the garden at Ilam, and of Juliet and Pauline outside the courthouse. - by the
> way are the courthouse pics during the trial?? were they allowed contact at
> this time?)
I am not sure about this, but I suspect those pictures were taken at the
time of the committal hearing (July 17 1954), when the date of the actual
trial was set (August 23 1954). While they were on remand, JMH and PYP
were held together at "the modern cottage-type Paparua prison, 10 miles
from Christchurch." (check the FAQ).
There is a lot of RL info in the book by Glamuzina and Laurie, but that
book does have some serious biases which need to be taken into account.
I hope this helps
sb
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001 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: Aria and Pics
002 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Aria and Pics
003 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n104
004 - "karen mcquillen" <kmcqui - re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n104
005 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Playing Badminton with Kate
006 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: It's...
007 - pinworm@direct.ca (John F - Re: Aria and Pics
008 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Fantasy worlds
009 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - 57 Varieties of Crime Books
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: Re: Aria and Pics
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:14:33 +0930
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Someone wrote, someone replied, and I tacked a little bit on the end.
> > Also, I found the recreation of Pauline's school picture in HC to be one of the
> > most chilling and lasting images of the movie. [snip...] Does anyone
> > know where I can find the original picture.
> Gurr, T. and Cox, H.
> "Famous Australasian Crimes." Muller, London, 1957.
Didn't these two also write Obsession?
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Aria and Pics
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:09:41 +0800 (WST)
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Yes.
On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au wrote:
> Someone wrote, someone replied, and I tacked a little bit on the end.
>
> > > Also, I found the recreation of Pauline's school picture in HC to be one of the
> > > most chilling and lasting images of the movie. [snip...] Does anyone
> > > know where I can find the original picture.
>
> > Gurr, T. and Cox, H.
> > "Famous Australasian Crimes." Muller, London, 1957.
>
> Didn't these two also write Obsession?
>
> Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
>
> 'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
>
>
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From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
Subject: Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n104
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:34:20 -0800
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"Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@hotmail.com> wrote...
>Would anyone know the English translation, or perhaps just the general gist, of
>Juliet's Aria?
It's all in Section 3, "Frequently Asked Questions". "The Music", Section
3.1.19.
I can trace my appreciation for Opera back to the precise moment. I was
listening to the beautiful "Sono Andati" and "E Lucevan le Stelle" and
following along with the English translation, from the FAQ, the tragic
poetry of the lyrics revealed to me for the first time. Understanding the
meaning, mixed with the almost unbearably poignant and lyrical music,
well... I got kind of emotional. The opera light went on in my brain and I
finally realized how frightfully romantic it all is! I've had a soft spot
for opera ever since.
Adam
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From: "karen mcquillen" <kmcquillen@ets.org>
Subject: re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n104
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 8:06:43 EDT
While the FAQ gives what is a literal translation, I also read what I'll call
a rhythmic tranlation (for lack of a better term...apologies to any music
folks). This is, how the opera would be sung if sung in English rather than
Italian (Dad). So:
Are they gone now
I was not really sleeping
To make them leave us
I only was pretending
So many things are
In my heart to tell you
Or just one which
Is true and never ending
As the sky is eternal
There above you
So is my love
And I will always love you.
You may try this at home! Sing along with Kate in English! ;-) It fits and it
works.
Again apologies if this version has appeared in FAQ 2.0. I devoured 1.0 and
am just now working my way through 2.0
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Playing Badminton with Kate
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:28:12 -0400 (EDT)
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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> According to some (and I speaking of the literary journals I've read),
> Hamlet is a homosexual--causing me to wonder if it is possible--and that
> Kenneth Branagh might of totally overlooked this point-of-view when he
> wrote-in a love scene between Hamlet and Ophelia (um, him and Kate)
> believing that they did have an affair!
I think that if I was directing the film, and playing Hamlet, and Ms.
Winslet was playing Ophelia, I'd probably overlook any possibility of
homosexuality as well. In fact, I'd probably end up junking most of the
original text, writing all new scenes, and calling it "Last Tango in
Denmark."
Never mind my salacious ramblings.
The ex-Branaghs (Ken 'n Emma) have been trading Kate back and forth
recently. It's if Branagh is saying, "Hell, if you can get in bed with her
in 'Sense and Sensibility,' then I'll damn well do you one better." It's
not a bad way to be used, though. It's done wonders for her career, and
kept me coming back to the theater.
Now if only we can find a couple of talented rival filmmakers to start
batting Melanie Lynskey back and forth.
--Jefferson
_________________________________________________________________
"As a matter of fact, only I can prevent forest fires."
^
--Anonymous
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: It's...
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:34:47 -0400 (EDT)
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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Phil West wrote:
> 'SALAD DAYS (1971) DIRECTOR SAM PECKINPAH'
A masterpiece. But you left out my favorite part, when the perpetually
sniffing film critic played by Eric Idle gets machine-gunned to death in
slow motion over the end credits.
> More like 'Braindead' or one of the girls' stories?
Braindead's entire sensibility was more or less derived from that
sketch. It's the first instance of graphic violence being satirized of
which I'm aware. A new genre was born.
It didn't surprise me at all when I heard that that PJ was a Pythonite.
Cool things just go together. I look forward to seeing an actual
ex-Python appear in one of his films.
--Jefferson
_________________________________________________________________
"As a matter of fact, only I can prevent forest fires."
^
--Anonymous
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From: pinworm@direct.ca (John Frederick)
Subject: Re: Aria and Pics
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:42:22 -0700
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>Does anyone know where I can find the original picture?
After reading the FAQ, I checked my local library and found a copy of Colin
Wilson's 'Encyclopaedia of Murder' (1961). It contains the original
photograph of Pauline Parker with her class mates.
Does anyone know if this book is out of print? I'd like to get a copy of it
for myself.
Just one other note. I found another book, 'The Chronicle Of Crime' (1993)
by Martin Fido, which contains a photo of Pauline and Juliet outside of the
courtroom. It's different than the three on-line versions I've seen.
John Frederick
pinworm@direct.ca
"Suspicion Breeds Confidence."
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Fantasy worlds
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:46:11 +0100 (BST)
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Kate (I'm glad you're still here, Kate, your Ilam fantasy back in
May is one of my favourite HC things) wrote of the 'last waltz':
> This is one of my favorite scenes!
It's a sign of how powerfully the film has got us inside the girls' heads
that this whole Lanza+Borovnia+Dr. Hulme thing doesn't remotely beg
explanation as we watch, yet makes all this sense when you look at it
later (Jackson's visceral ride is based on intelligent writing)...
My favourite touch is that magical way the daylight fades out behind the
curtains as the camera tracks in to Mario while yet again the floodlights
come on (the Bloody Bill arriving scene does this in reverse, to go from
night to day - anyone figured out how?). Dr. Hulme appearing surprised me
for a while, but it fits with Pauline's consistently glowing view of him,
I suppose, to award him MAD status. Is the Borovnian on stilts that
Pauline walks underneath during her first Borovnian visit also a jester?
A little bit of foreshadowing if he is. Do you think Henry was a sort of
semi-saint, at least to P.? And while we're on the subject, who, pray,
are Buster and Onward Heel??? (The 2 new Saints elected in June '54).
As for what happens when imaginary worlds mingle, well, my sister and I
used to have several bizarre and linguistically-intricate worlds which
we would periodically update or scrap, only sometimes they would overlap.
We often ended up as several different characters at once (sometimes,
even, we would end up as each other's character from a different world -
psychiatrists take note!), but it never really mattered; I think it was
probably part of the fun. Add to that the fact that my dad always
called me Bill, rather than Phil, and you begin to see the origins
of my Pauline complex!! (I always squirm a little at Honora's insistence
on 'Yvonne', even when all around her are saying 'Paul' or 'Pauline').
Sorry, that's not very illuminating re HC, I just felt the urge to
confess!
The trouble with getting a 'serious' fix on the psychology behind these
fantasy worlds is that you end up sounding like Medlicott. Dridful!
Phil
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Subject: 57 Varieties of Crime Books
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Hi everyone:
Please, keep sending these references regarding the Parker/Hulme case
in. I am trying to keep track of them all. Nothing a new, portable
scanner wouldn't scan (hint, hint) if I ever get around to it.
5.8/7.9 HC Press Articles WANT List (revisted):
******* [American/Canadian]
Sullivan, Barbara.
Chicago Tribune, Sun. Mar. 26, 1995. p. 1. [sb]
"Murder was the case."
Marchand, Philip.
Toronto Star, Mar. 5, 1995. p. C5 [se]
"Author tries to avoid past as teenage murderer."
******* [British]
Conway, Matt.
Sunday Star Times, June 19, 1994, p. C10. [jb]
"Infamous 'moider' in movie spotlight"
Doole, Kerry.
Onfilm, 11(9), 6 (1994). [jb]
"Kiwi flix flex pecs for Yanks"
Morris, Roderick Conway.
Times Literary Supplement, n4772, Sept. 16, 1994, p. 17 [jp]
"Psychos and holy fools (Venice Film Festival)"
Murray, Ron.
Onfilm, 11(7), 13 (1994). [jb]
"Arcane arts of the WETA"
******* [Kiwis]
Cubey, Mark.
Listener, 145(2844), p. 43 (1994). [jb]
"Fantastic life."
Reviews 'Heavenly Creatures' by Peter Jackson.
Grant, Barry.
New Zealand J. of Media Studies, 1(2), 28-30 (1994). [jb]
"Heavenly Creatures"
Johnson, Stephanie. (this might be British)
Quote Unquote, 16, 34 (1994). [jb]
"Barking dogs"
Petrovic, Hans.
The Press, Oct. 15, 1994. p. 25. [jb]
"Curtain of uncertainty"
Philp, Matt. (this might be British)
Evening Post, Oct. 13, 1994. p. 25 [jb]
"Deadly Delusions"
Pryor, Ian.
Listener, 145(2844), 38-39 (1994). [jb]
"Truly devoted"
Reid, Nicholas.
North and South, 103, 152 (1994). [jb]
"Heavenly Jackson" (review)
Smith, Charmian.
Otago Daily Times, October 27, 1994, p. 23. [jb]
"Girls' imaginative world film's focus."
Swain, Pauline.
Dominion, Sept. 21, 1994, p. 11. [jb]
"In on the act of murder"
Wakefield, Philip. (this might be British)
Evening Post, June 25, 1994, p. 11. [jb]
"Heavenly coup for Capital festival"
Watson, Chris.
New Zealand J. of Media Studies, 1(2), 14-27 (1994). [jb]
"If Michel Foucault had seen Peter Jackson's 'Heavenly
Creatures'."
Clarkson, Neil.
The Press (Christchurch), June 17, 1989. p. 23. [jb]
"Separation threat trigger for a brick attack."
Clarkson, Neil.
The Press (Christchurch), Supplement, p. 1. October 5, 1991.[jb]
"Murder Without Remorse"
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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001 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Am I seeing things?
002 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Batting Melanie
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004 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Re: Batting Melanie
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Am I seeing things?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
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So I watched it again the other night, and I might have noticed something.
Paul runs with a limp, right? But does she still limp when she's in the
Fourth World/Borovnia? The only time I could spot her running in her
fantasy world was when the Fourth World morphs into being and they run
into the garden. Is she limping?
If not, it's just another neat little touch.
--Jefferson
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^
--Anonymous
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Batting Melanie
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:09:13 +0100 (BST)
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On Wednesday 28 August, Jefferson thought about Kate Winslet in bed with
the Branaghs, then dragged himself back from the 4th World to add:
> Now if only we can find a couple of talented rival filmmakers to start
> batting Melanie Lynskey back and forth.
I remember my first thought after recovering from HC viewing #1. It was:
'Find a typewriter, or the back of an envelope, or *anything* and start
work on the script for Mel Lynskey's next film appearance IMMEDIATELY!'
I had never in my life seen anything so... in the same category of
brilliance. Did anyone else feel so impelled?
Alas, I am not a talented rival filmmaker. This may have to change.
Phil
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From: Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.oac.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: Batting Melanie
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Phil West wrote:
> I remember my first thought after recovering from HC viewing #1. It was:
> 'Find a typewriter, or the back of an envelope, or *anything* and start
> work on the script for Mel Lynskey's next film appearance IMMEDIATELY!'
> I had never in my life seen anything so... in the same category of
> brilliance. Did anyone else feel so impelled?
I felt something along those lines... Melanie left me in awe. I guess
it was a combination of many things. I immediately watched the film
again. The second time was even better as I watched her facial
expressions, and focused more on her. I felt impelled to buy the movie,
but there weren't any for sale, so I went off searching through the
newsgroups. : )
I'm hoping there is some filmmaker that was as impressed by Mel.
Actually I hope there are many, because all of us can't be wrong! She's
is something special. Maybe Emma Thompson can use her in a directorial
debut.. : ) That would be something...
There is small fear in the back of my mind though. It's the doubt that
exists of her ever appearing in film again, at least in a major role.
Does anyone else share this feeling? Melanie isn't exactly an box
office draw, excluding me and the people on this list. Her appearance
in "The Frighteners" gave me a burst of excitement, the lack of any
news of further projects limits that excitement.
-Thai
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>Did anyone else feel so impelled?
>I felt something along those lines... Melanie left me in awe.
Maybe we should pick a worthy director and start a letter writing and E-mail
barrage never before seen by the lower classes.... then people might begin
to understand her genius a little...
Michael
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001 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - It's... (take two)
002 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Kenneth/Hamlet Soundbytes
003 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Am I seeing things?
004 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n106
005 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n106
006 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n106
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: It's... (take two)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:52:32 +0100 (BST)
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A bit more on the Python-infested psyche of Peter 'Two Sheds' Jackson:
*Biggles. The gay-flyers scene we know, but how could anyone forget Terry
Gilliam's sensitive portrayal of Cardinal Biggles in the Spanish
Inquisition episode? More proof if it were needed of the inspiration
behind the Biggles goings-on in HC.
*Prof R.J. Gumby repeatedly hitting himself around the head with a brick
whilst singing 'Only make believe I love you'. Plus other Gumby sketches
involving brick incidents. Not that the murder in HC is done with any
sense of black humour, as is often pointed out.
*The Lingerie Shop sketch, where the robber ends up buying underwear.
(All right, it's a bit tenuous, but it might have sparked something in
the mind of PJ, esp. if you add in all those rugged types who turn out
to be transvestites - Mounties, Colonels, explorers &c.) It's often in a
jumbled-up sort of way like this that writers and artists get their
influence/inspiration. Eh, Wendy?
*Endless ridiculing of the Royal Family ('Princess Margaret, get back in
the cupboard, you pantomimetic royal personage'), the good old
British-style education system and the Christian church. Escaping from
all three of these seems to have fired the Python crew as much as Pauline
and Juliet.
While I'm on the subject, Python has already beaten all you
Hamlet+homosexual theorists (you know who you are) to it, with a closing
titles skit from the 'Hamlet' episode, listing the cast as things like
(oops, sorry, this is from memory):
GRAHAM CHAPMAN. A bachelor friend of Hamlet's.
TERRY GILLIAM. A quite butch friend of Hamlet, but also a bachelor.
ERIC IDLE. A very close friend of Hamlet, but who doesn't see him very
often these days, though he does wear suspiciously bright shirts.
Right, stop this Python thing, it's silly.
Phil
HAMLET (Terry Jones) The faire *Ophelia*? Nimph, in thy Orizons
Be all my sins remembred.
OPHELIA (Connie Booth) So anyway, you've got the girl on the bed
and her legs are on the mantlepiece...
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kenneth/Hamlet Soundbytes
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:05:43 -0700
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There is a new RealAudio clip of Kenneth Branagh talking about Hamlet
http://www.bitesite.com/celeb/kbranagh/kbranagh4.ram
Other bytes include Emma, the British Press and Shakespeare
http://www.bitesite.com/celeb/kbranagh/kbranagh.html
(scroll down to the bottom and there is Emma Thompson soundbytes also)
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:27:41 -0700
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Jefferson F. Morris wrote:
> Paul runs with a limp, right? But does she still limp when she's in the
> Fourth World/Borovnia? The only time I could spot her running in her
> fantasy world was when the Fourth World morphs into being and they run
> into the garden. Is she limping?
>
> If not, it's just another neat little touch.
It doesn't seem, to me, that she was limping in the fantasy worlds.
During the Fourth World morphing scene, there was only one odd step and
that was a hop at the end of the butterfly chase. Can this be? That
Pauline does not suffered from her illness of osteomyelitis in fantasy
worlds as oppose to real life? If so, it -is- a brilliant touch of
highlighting reality vs. fantasy. Damn it, that Peter Jackson is a
genius! Isn't he?
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 02:20:16 -0800
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Jefferson enquired...
>Paul runs with a limp, right? But does she still limp when she's in the
>Fourth World/Borovnia? The only time I could spot her running in her
>fantasy world was when the Fourth World morphs into being and they run
>into the garden. Is she limping?
I confess I have not been able to spot the limping that Melanie as Paul
supposedly exhibits (as declared, I believe, in the FAQ). She certainly
runs a fair bit - in the opening sequence, at Ilam (in costume & in her
undies) - but I haven't seen the limp. Am I blind?
And can any fellow Creatures point me towards the scene(s) where Pauline's
limping is most noticeable?
Adam
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And can any fellow Creatures point me towards the scene(s) where Pauline's
limping is most noticeable?
>where they're running after Jonsy for one thing.... then watch her when
she's running to find Juliet before the Fourth World Morphing scene...
Question: Would anyone be willing to send me a copy of the oundtrack?
Ordering it is way to pricey for me at the moment...
Thanking you dutifully in advance,
Michael
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:39:26 -0400 (EDT)
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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, adam abrams wrote:
> I confess I have not been able to spot the limping that Melanie as Paul
> supposedly exhibits (as declared, I believe, in the FAQ). She certainly
> runs a fair bit - in the opening sequence, at Ilam (in costume & in her
> undies) - but I haven't seen the limp. Am I blind?
Take a good look at her in the first Ilam scene, when the evil prince
Runnymeade is pursued. It's quite pronounced there.
I think I'm going to have to go back and catalog Pauline's different
gaits. Yes, I do have too much time on my hands. Always.
--Jefferson
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001 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Mystery Scene #53, May/June 1996
002 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - [Fwd: Independent on Sunday (12 Feb 1995)]
003 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - [Fwd: The Independent, 10 Feb 1995]
004 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - [Fwd: The Independent, 9 February 1995]
005 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - A Judgement in Stone
006 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - I'm not into dangerous crazy-sister territory, am I?
007 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - The Children's Hour
008 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Behind the scenes: The Frighteners
009 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: The Children's Hour
010 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - More candidates like HC?
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Mystery Scene #53, May/June 1996
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Hello everyone,
I finally got that copy of Mystery Scene, with the HC article, that
Sandra Bowdler was so kind to informed me of. Snail mail does take long.
If you like to purchase a copy for yourself--their address is Mystery
Scene: P.O. Box 669, Cedar Rapids, IA 52406-0669, USA.=20
HEAVENLY CREATURES =20
BY JOHN MCCARTY=20
Heavenly Creatures is one of a handful of true crime films, a genre
more noted for sensationalism than psychological insight, that strives
to do more than just recount the events of the crime it dramatizes--in
this case, matricide. More importantly, it grapples with the larger
issue of why. And relentlessly probes for the answer with such
extraordinary cinematic verisimilitude that, like the most gripping and
multi-leveled fiction, it succeeds in making us comprehend the
incomprehensible.
The New Zealand case that inspired the film was one of the most
sensational in that country's history. In 1954, two teenage girls,
Pauline Yvonne Parker and her school chum Juliet Hulme, conspired to
murder Pauline's mother, Mrs. Honora Rieper.
Juliet's parents were divorcing and planned to ship their daughter
to South Africa to stay with relatives. Mrs. Rieper denied Pauline's
impassioned but unrealistic request to accompany Juliet. The threat of
impending separation prompted Pauline to launch a plan for removing the
perceived obstacle by killing her mother--a plan Juliet willingly agreed=20
to take part in.
On June 22, during an outing with Mrs. Rieper to Victoria Park in
Christchurch, Pauline and Juliet bludgeoned the woman to death with a
half-brick wrapped in a stocking, shell claimed she had died from an
accidental fall. A post-mortem investigation revealed that Mrs. Rieper
died of multiple head injuries, including a fractured skull. The number
of these injuries, which totaled 45 (ironically, the woman's exact age
at the time of her death), indicated a repeated murderous assault rather
than a fall. Furthermore, bruise marks around her neck suggested she'd
been held by the throat while being attacked.
Suspicion of murder fell on the two girls following the discovery
of Pauline's diary. In it, Pauline outlined the murder scheme and
chronicled the obsessively close-knit relationship and elaborate fantasy
life governing the friends' behavior which sparked the crime. UI feel
keyed up as if I was planning a surprise party," Pauline wrote on the
eve of the murder. "So next time I write in the diary, mother will be
dead. How odd, yet how pleasing."
Charged with murdering Mrs. Rieper, the girls admitted the crime
and voiced no remorse. Pauline told a defense psychiatrist, Dr. Francis
Bennett, she felt the act was justified and that she would do it again
if there were a threat to her and Juliet being together.
Juliet said there was no going back on the plan once the first blow
had been struck. She also said other murders might be justified if there
were a threat to her and Pauline's continued association.
An insanity defense was mounted on their behalf.
Dr. Bennett maintained that while the girls did indeed know right from
wrong, such considerations didn't matter to them very much as they had
nothing but contempt for what society thought. They felt they were a
society unto themselves--in this case a fantasized one spawned of
adolescent angst, paranoia, and arrogance whose tenets were set forth in
a poem written by the pair and found in Pauline's diary It was called
The Ones That I Worship and included among its stanzas such telling
lines as: "They'd be the pride and joy of any nation. You cannot know or
try to guess, the sweet soothingness of their caress. The outstanding
genius of the pair is understood by few, they are so rare. 'Tis indeed a
miracle one must feel, that two such heavenly creatures are real. "
The girls were found guilty and sent to prison. They were paroled
for good behavior in 1960 on the condition that they never meet again.
They never did. But their deed landed them in the history books as a
preeminent case in the rare (at the time) category of criminal behavior,
children who kill.
Forty years later the case was back in the headlines due to the
hoopla surrounding the release of Peter Jackson's extraordinary film
about the case and a final twist to the tale that even the most
imaginative mystery writer would have been hard-pressed to concoct or
make credible.=20
Lin Ferguson, a reporter for a New Zealand newspaper, the Evening
Standard, decided to look into what happened to Pauline Parker and
Juliet Hulme after their release for a follow-up feature story due to
renewed public interest in the case triggered by the film. Ferguson
found out that Parker had taken another name and virtually dropped from
sight, though it is presumed she still lives in New Zealand.
Juliet Hulme had also changed her name. But rather than retreating
to a life of obscurity, she'd become a best selling author of worldwide
renown. Adopting the last name of her stepfather, Bill Perry, she was
now Anne Perry, the writer of a popular string of mystery and crime
novels set in Victorian England. Under the circumstances, the irony of
the author's choice of subject matter escaped no one.
Shocked and dismayed that the secret she'd kept hidden from all but
a few close friends had finally come out, Perry initially believed the
notoriety would finish her. "It will kill my mother, lose me my friends
and ruin my career," she told People Weekly. She also confessed to being
a bit perplexed that after 40 years the public and the media would still
be interested in the crime and her past life--an observation that seems
a bit disingenuous in view of how famous the case was at the time and=20
how famous she is today as a writer of murder mysteries, a genre=20
grounded in the fascination of crime and the exposure of dark deeds and=20
dark pasts.
Scheduled to launch a book tour to promote the publication of her
latest mystery, she considered canceling. But at the urging of her
publishers, Ballantine Books, who, while initially shocked by the
revelation, remained steadfastly behind her, she reconsidered. She opted
to use the tour instead as a vehicle for confronting the scandal head-on
and agreed to answer questions from legions of reporters and talk show
hosts about her past and the shocking crime she'd taken part in so long
ago.
She also used these interview situations as a forum for disclaiming
the film as a "grotesque and distasteful portrait" of her life, even
though she admitted not having seen it.
The film's distributor, Miramax, sought to arrange a special
screening for Perry, urging her to see the movie before judging and
denouncing it. But Perry declined the opportunity and says she has no
intention of ever seeing Heavenly Creatures for its reopening of old
wounds.
In a way though, the film's release and the unwanted notoriety she
received because of it had a therapeutic effect which Perry herself
admits to. Her neighbors, friends, fans and publisher did not desert
her. Quite the contrary. As she told People Weekly: "...in some way, it
is perhaps the last step as far as healing is concerned. Because I'm
finding that now practically everybody in the world knows who I really
am--and they still like me."
The movie likes her too--and Pauline, as well.
While Jackson by no means turns a blind eye to the frightfulness of
their crime, he is both sympathetic in his portrait of Parker and Hulme
and the reasons for their intense relationship as well as remarkably
nonjudgmental about it. The film digs deep to give them the hearing
Perry says reportage of the crime at the time and the trial itself
(where, because of their youth, they were prohibited from testifying)
denied her and Pauline.
The press and prosecution painted the girls as a pair of
"precocious and dirty-minded little girls" engaged in a lesbian
relationship that sparked the murder when it looked like they might be
separated forever.
Anne Perry says she recalls very little of the crime and its
aftermath because of medication she was taking for a chronic respiratory
ailment that was later taken off the market for its
"judgment-distorting" side effects. "All I remember," she says today,
"is the horror of people talking about me and not being able to say 'No,
no, that's not it.'"
The film also says "That's not it."
Jackson's attitude is that the alleged homosexual affair between the two
girls was probably nothing of the sort--that girls, unlike men, tend to
be physically demonstrative in their affection for each other at any
age, but especially so when they're young. But even if there was a
lesbian overtone" to the girls' intense relationship, the film maintains
it was neither the root cause of their closeness nor even a significant
element=97and certainly not the spark for murder.
The truth the film presents--perhaps I should say a truth, as only
Parker and Hulme know The Truth--lay elsewhere. And while offering no
justification for their crime, it explains the why of that crime=97a
crime, the film proposes, that would never have been committed by either
girl if they hadn't met and been what they were when they did meet: not
monstrous bad seeds approaching full growth but, despite their keen
intelligence and precociousness, two lonely, socially immature children
who found in each other a kindred spirit--and the missing piece in
themselves.=20
The movie, which Jackson and his co-writer Frances Walsh based on
court records, interviews with people who knew Parker and Hulme at the
time, and on Parker's diary, portrays Juliet as the extrovert of the
duo=97tall, slender, blonde and regal; a charmer to all but her
schoolmistresses, whom she upstages and therefore offends with a
know-it-allness born of youthful brig.
Under most circumstances, these qualities might have led to her
becoming the most popular girl in school among her peers. But Juliet,
who harbors ambitions to be a writer, an occupation rooted in solitude,
is a solitary and friendless creature, the result of being shuttled by
her distant and emotionally selfish parents from school to I school in
country after country for "health reasons." This upbringing has taught
her to rely on and seek solace from herself alone--until she meets
Pauline.
Pauline seems to be Juliet's opposite number in every way.
Introverted, dark-haired, overweight, and unworldly, she belongs to a
different class and culture. Juliet is English and lives on a plush
estate, Ilam, with her upscale parents--her father is a local college
administrator, her mother a marriage counselor. Pauline is a New
Zealander. Her father is a fish merchant, her mother a housewife. To
help make ends meet, they rent out the rooms in their small house to
boarders.
Pauline, whom the film is really about, sees in Juliet everything
she wants to be. And Juliet finds in Pauline the perfect sounding board
for her wildest flights of Brontean romantic fantasy. Together, they
form a whole. And view their few similarities as symbolic of that unique
wholeness. For example, Pauline has scars on her legs caused by a bout
of osteomyelitis. Juliet has scars on her lungs from a chronic
respiratory ailment. "All the best people have bad chests and bad
bones," Juliet tells her newfound friend. "It's all frightfully
romantic!"
What begins as a typical schoolgirl attachment due to being on the
same wavelength escalates into an obsessive devotion as, more and more,
the girls find themselves to be individual parts of a much greater and,
in their eyes, magnificent personality--a whole that, if shattered, will
destroy each of them.
Pauline constantly sleeps over at Juliet's house. The girls take=20
baths together. Sleep together. Giddily discuss sex. And as an escape=20
from the emotionally difficult real world that surrounds them, they=20
begin writing a fantasy novel set in a kingdom of their imagination=20
called Borovnia, which is ruled over by the heroic Charles II and his=20
consort, the beautiful Deborah. They invent saints for their fantasy=20
realm modeled on teen heartthrobs of the day like singer Mario Lanza=20
and actor James Mason. And they concoct a dark protector for their=20
fictional alter-egos whom they dub It (Id?).
As the girls become increasingly fixated upon and drawn into the
court plots and human intrigues of their fantasy realm, they assume the
identities of their creations, act out their deeds. Pauline sculpts
figures of the characters out of clay to give them a real face. Charles
II looks like Juliet's father, Deborah like Juliet herself--and their
chubby demonic protector It like Orson Welles, the girls' idea of "the
most hideous man alive." Pauline is Gina, another denizen of Borovnia.
Eventually, they take to calling each other by their imaginary names so
as not to break the spell of the fantasy life that consumes them and
keeps them safe.
But real life keeps intruding.
Worried the girls' closeness may have a homosexual undercurrent,
Mr. Hulme suggests that Mrs. Rieper take Pauline to a psychiatrist; the
shrink instructs the woman to keep Pauline away from Juliet for a while
so that she can "grow out of it." But the girls' hysterical reaction to
being kept apart is so intense that the parents decide to let them see
each other again.
Pauline's good-natured but none-too-perceptive dad finds his
underage daughter in bed with a male boarder, throws the boy out of the
house and rebukes Pauline with a tearful "You've broken my heart,"
fueling her rebellious desires even more. Her caring but equally
unperceptive mother lectures her on the nature of virtue--even though
Mom and Dad are unmarried. Pauline is illegitimate, a fact that comes=20
out during the trial; thereafter she is referred to by her mother's=20
maiden name of Parker.
Meanwhile Juliet catches her mother in bed with a family friend.
Her parents announce plans to divorce and their intentions to send
Juliet to live with relatives in a dryer climate ("for your own good")
until the divorce is finalized.
While the adults in the film are at times broadly drawn, they
remain sympathetic--especially Mrs. Rieper (sensitively played by Sarah
Peirse), whose obvious love for the child she no longer knows how to
handle and feels she is losing is absolutely heart-wrenching. This is
most unlike other films about troubled youth where the adults never rise
above caricature.
The more unbearably intrusive and uncontrollable real life becomes
for them, the more the girls seek refuge in their fantasy world of
Borovnia, where they exercise complete control--as long as they are
together. Having been the one who tried to separate the girls once and
who is now the perceived obstacle to their being together when Juliet is
sent away, Mrs. Rieper is viewed as the wicked witch who threatens the
safety of the kingdom. The rules of Borovnia mandate a sentence of
death, or in Pauline's fantasy vernacular, "moider." In her diary, she
writes: "Anger against mother boiled up inside me. Suddenly a means of
ridding myself of the obstacle occurred to me. I want it to appear
either a natural or accidental death. We [she and Juliet] have worked it
out carefully and are both thrilled with the idea." She further
writes: ' We are both mad. We are both stark, staring, raving mad. There
is definitely no doubt about it and we are both thrilled by the
thought." These are not the words of a cold-blooded killer, but of an
angry child whose emotions have zoomed wildly out of her control.=20
There are moments in Jackson's staging of the murder, as the girls
lead Mrs. Rieper to her death in Victoria Park, when it seems that
Pauline and Juliet are on the verge of reconsidering and, at the last
second, may not go through with their clumsy, ill-planned scheme--even
though we know from the outset of the film that they did go through with
it. Jackson's remarkable achievement in this intense and nerve-racking
scene is not just that he makes us hope and pray that they won't go
through with the murder but sense that the girls are hoping and praying
the same thing. This is fully in keeping with the filmmakers's view of
the event as tragedy, not cold-hearted bloodlust--that under a hundred
other circumstances, the murder would never have occurred. But here, the
circumstances were tragically right.
The film ends with a series of screams as Pauline and Juliet are
separated, the spell finally broken, the safe world of escape they'd
sought to hold together shattered permanently to pieces=97of their own
doing. In the end they'd acted like the children they are and were all
along, brought it on themselves, and now must live with the consequences
of their actions=97in this case to the end of their days.
So that we understand the bizarre fantasy world the girls create
for self-protection but which overtakes then horrifyingly engulfs them,
Jackson plunges us headlong into that world with them.
In a series of dazzling set pieces, Pauline's Borovnian clay
figures come to life. Empty fields morph into picturesque dreamscapes of
medieval castles and lush gardens, complete with unicorns and giant
butterflies. And It slices and dices transgressors throughout the realm
with his trusty blade as the film increasingly mixes reality and
illusion just as the girls do. These scenes succeed brilliantly in
evoking, and enabling us to fathom, the nature of the secret world of
the girls' psyches that eventually turns on them. In these scenes,
indeed throughout, Heavenly Creatures is a visual showstopper--the sort
of true crime film a Fellini or a Ken Russell might have made, one which
uses every cinematic technique available to explore the inner lives of
the central characters and reveal the psychic wounds that lead, with
disturbing inexorability, to the tragedy at hand, providing an insight
into that tragedy which the more typically straightforward approach of
most true crime films seldom achieves.
Amazingly, Peter Jackson was hardly the director one might have
expected to pull off such a trick. His three previous works--Bad Taste,
Meet the Feebles and Dead Alive--were bloody sci-fi/ horror romps
belonging to the form I've dubbed "splatter movies," a genre sometimes
known for technical brilliance, but seldom for the humanistic
sensibility and top-notch level of performance on display here. As
Juliet and Pauline, newcomers Kate Winslet and Melanie Lynskey (who'd
never acted before) are nothing short of perfect.
As is Heavenly Creatures, a film Anne Perry may not wish to see
(who can blame her?), but is a must--see for anyone interested in
compelling true crime dramas=97and a masterpiece of its type.
Photo: Sarah Pierse (left) as Honora, Melanie Lynskey (middle) as
Pauline and Kate Winslet (right) as Juliet on the tram to Victoria Park.
(note: the background is cut out (where=92s FW [Frances Walsh]?) and
honora has a quirky pout, Pauline looks somber and Juliet looks
spacy--this is new picture/capture we haven=92t seen before)
Caption: none.
Picture: Pauline and Juliet in the car, holding hands
Caption: Melanie Lynskey (left) as Pauline and Kate Winslet as Juliet:
together against the world. (Photo credit: Miramax Film (c) 1994)
Photo: Juliet, The Princess of Ilam, is twirling around for us
Caption: Tall, blonde, slender and regal: Kate Winslet as Juliet Hulme
in Heavenly Creatures,=20
Peter Jackson's compelling f Im about the Parker-Hulme case. (Photo
credit: Miramax
Films (c) 1994)
Photo: Juliet and Pauline holding each other in the Fourth World / Ilam
Garden
Caption: Introverted, dark-haired, overweight and unworldly, the
brooding Pauline (Melanie Lynskey) seems to be Juliet's opposite number
in every way. (Photo credit: Miramax Films (c) 1994)
Photo: Juliet and Pauline rolling in the leaves
Caption: none.
Photo: The famous picture of Pauline Yvonne Parker and Juliet Marion
Hulme walking together outside of the courtroom
Caption: Right: The real Pauline Yvonne Parker (left) and Juliet Hulme,
photographed before they stood trial in 1954. (Photo credit: Miramax
Films (c) 1994 and the Christchurch Star)
--=20
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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More [new] HC articles thanks to Phil West--three from The Independent
(who praises PJ also!). He had also knocked the Times Literary
Supplement article off my 5.8/7.9 HC Press articles WANT list. Thanks.
--
"You don't kill yourself doing what you love. -lybao@earthlink.net
You only get tire, then you take a nap and you start again."
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Cinema: After Jane Campion
by Quentin Curtis
'The Critics' Section, p. 26
Peter Jackson's 'Heavenly Creatures' (18) is a film that slips the bonds
of genre. It's a murder story without a mystery, a romance that lacks a
single clinch, an airy fantasy that ends in wrenching brutality. With wit
and daring, Jackson whirls us around two adolescent girls' minds, on a
guided tour of their most garish fantasies and deluded, delirious dreams.
Imagination is both the film's subject, and its strength.
It opens deceptively, a stiff newsreel planting us in wholesome 1950s
New Zealand. Here, in Christchurch, a crime took place that became as
notorious as the Moors murders were in 1960s Britain. The killing of
Honora Parker (Sarah Peirse) by her teenage daughter Pauline (Melanie
Lynskey) and Pauline's friend Juliet Hulme (Kate Winslet) destroyed that
society's sense of its own and its children's innocence. Starting and
ending with the murder, the film is not a whodunnit, nor even a whydunnit.
Most murders, Jackson realises, are as uncomplicated as the brick to the
head that did for Mrs Parker. The real mystery lies in the people who
commit them.
In Parker and Hulme, Jackson and his fine debutante actresses have
created a rich and strange double act. Someone in the film refers to the
girls as Laurel and Hardy, and you see the point. Parker, whose
breathless diaries punctuate the film, is squat, dark and permanently
embattled; she seems to wear a frown as part of her school uniform. Hulme
is blonde, willowy and ethereally oblivious to the real world. But the
girls are a lot smarter than Stan and Ollie. We first see Hulme as a
precociously cheeky new kid in class (just in from England), correcting
teacher's use of the French subjunctive. This delights Paul-ine, under
whose gauche exterior a rebellious intelligence quivers to be set free.
When Juliet incorporates a portrait of Mario Lanza - the girls' joint
'pash' - into her dreary art-class assignment, a bond is formed.
Together, they create their own fantasy kingdom, where medieval knights
chase damsels and the girls get the chance to act out swoony daydreams of
courtship and childbirth. Jackson uses special effects to bring this Eden
to life. Terminator-style morphing is used to create topi-arised lawns
out of nothing. White unicorns gambol lazily, while giant butterflies
flutter above them. Clay knights come to life, often with the features of
the girls' idols. Bright kids lost in their own realm are nothing new:
the girls' land of Borovnia resembles the Mortmere that Christopher
Isherwood and Edward Upward created at school. What is startling is how
the girls' fantasy escalates with their desperation. As parental
misgivings encroach, they retreat into ever wilder fantasies: Hollywood
stardom, madness, and finally murder - or, as Pauline puts it, 'moider'.
Her childish relish is a refuge from reality.
Behind this fantasy world, Jackson places a satirical portrait of New
Zealand at the time - a stifled place, just beginning to loosen the collar
of colonialism. Jackson mocks Christchurch's primness next to the girls'
unbuttoned abandon (literally unbuttoned when they frolic in their
underwear through the woods). Their headmistress is a ringer for Barbara
Woodhouse, down to the imperious 'sit' with which she starts assembly.
The girls' parents too are locked within their own unthinking mores.
There is a lovely cameo from Clive Merrison as Juliet's sad, self-absorbed
father, an academic. He has tea with Pauline's parents, and gropes at
euphemisms with which to warn the Parkers about the girls' relationship
('unhealthy...unwholesome...wayward').
The movie itself is subtler and more sensitive in its suggestions of
lesbianism. First and foremost this is a friendship - sweet and pure, for
all the bitterness of its fruit. But there is no denial of physical
attraction, and even a suggestion, in a diary entry near the end, of
consummation: 'We have learnt the peace of the thing called bliss, the joy
of the thing called sin'. Jackson's is a much less prejudiced picture
than Hitchcock's view of his bosom-buddie murderers in 'Rope', whose
homosexuality (never quite stated) came with the familiar slurs attached -
furtiveness, neurosis and fascism. Equally, 'Heavenly Creatures' does not
distort its story into gay propaganda, in the manner of Tom Kalin's
stylish study of the Rope case, 'Swoon'.
By sympathising with all his characters, Jackson brings off an
affecting finale. The tension and savagery of the murder are almost
unbearable, but so is the confusion of feelings. Paul-ine's mother has
been shown to be a sincere, if limited, woman, in despair at a child who
seems to have outgrown her parents. She is not the monster that the girls
have created in their minds. Jackson takes us to the brink in our
identification with the girls, and we watch in horror as they go beyond
it. It is an exemplary scene of violence, the more powerful for all that
has gone before.
Peter Jackson used to be known for horror movies, such as the
phenomenally disgusting 'Braindead' (1992). In retrospect, you can see in
them some embryonic social satire. 'Heavenly Creatures', though, is a
giant leap forward, spanning many of the themes of New Zealand's
burgeoning cinema: Jane Campion's post-colonialism and insights into
female and adolescent desire; Alison (Crush) Maclean's search for the
serpent in the native Eden. At times you wonder if Jackson's bouncy
insistence on the girls' escapism is too simplistic. But mainly you are
caught in the swirl of the film's changing moods. Its integration of
euphoric fantasy, high comedy and genuine horror within a single canvas is
a rare achievement.
[Barbara Woodhouse was a famous dog-trainer in Britain, whose catch-phrase
(still familiar, though she died some years ago) was 'Sit!']
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Twist in the tale of the nice writer next door
John Arlidge
Portmahomack, the eastern-most village in the Highland community of
Ross-shire, is a typical Scottish fishing community. Four hundred people
eke out a living catching prawns, lobsters and scallops in the waters of
the Dornoch Firth. There is one shop, one red telephone box next to the
beach and one school. In the graveyard all deaths are local.
Until last summer, the only people who knew its name were fishermen and
the handful of tourists who use the caravan park each year. But last
August all obscurity was lost. A newspaper reporter had uncovered
Portmahomack's best kept secret. One of its respected residents was a
murderer. Anne Perry, 56, moved to Portmahomack in 1989. She adored
Ross-shire's barren wilderness, and when a friend bought a house in the
area she abandoned her home in Suffolk and headed north to join her.
In an area where outsiders, often known as 'white settlers', are
treated with suspicion or worse, Miss Perry's easy-going manner helped her
to settle in. Soon, she was so content that she persuaded her 83-year-old
mother, Marion, to follow her.
The two women lived together, Anne writing best-selling Victorian
detective stories, Marion hoping against hope that her daughter's
increasing literary success would not draw attention to her past. That
hope proved forlorn. 'For 40 years Anne and I had managed to keep our
secret,' Marion Perry recalls. 'But on that morning we knew the game was
up.'
The film 'Heavenly Creatures', which opens in Britain tonight, relates
how on 22 June 1954 in a Christchurch park, 15-year-old Anne Perry - then
known as Juliet Hulme - helped her best friend Pauline Parker, 16, to
murder her mother by crushing her skull with a brick. One of the most
sensational trials in New Zealand's history followed. In it, counsel for
the prosecution alleged that the two girls were lesbian lovers and had
coolly planned the murder so that they could live together.
They were convicted and sentenced to be detained 'at Her Majesty's
pleasure'. But after five years in jail the authorities gave the pair new
identities and released them on condition that they never see each other
again.
When news of the film appeared in a Scottish tabloid last Autumn,
residents of Portmahomack at first dismissed the report. Then Anne and
her mother confirmed the details. A stunned silence descended on the
village. With memories of the Jamie Bulger murder still fresh, the two
women feared they would become the victims of a hate-filled backlash
similar to that directed at the 2-year-old's killers and other notorious
British muderers such as Myra Hindley. Worse, they thought they might be
forced to move to yet another new home.
But instead of chanting mobs and egg-spattered windows, Anne and her
mother began to receive cakes, followed soon after by what Marion Perry
describes as 'virtual love letters which I will cherish until my dying
day'. The offerings came from local people who were moved by Anne's frank
admission that what she did was 'wrong, very wrong'. She had admitted her
guilt, made amends by serving her prison sentence and got on with her
life. That, they reasoned, was good enough for folk in a place like
Portmahomack. David Wilson, 40, a solicitor who lives in the village and
works in the nearby town of Invergorden, spends Wednesday nights in the
Caledonian Hotel bar, drinking the local Glenmorangie whisky. He
explained: 'At first there was an overwhelming feeling of astonishment -
that someone among us, someone so welcomed, a devoted Mormon who gave out
hampers to old people at Christmas, could be guilty of matricide. But
then almost as quickly folk began saying, 'Och, it was 40 years ago in
another hemisphere. The lassie has been in prison and has had to move
from place to place. She fits in here. What business is it of ours, what
good could be achieved by raking up the past?''
The sentiment is shared by the fishermen who gather on the pier each
afternoon to study the swell before sailing east past dolphins and
porpoises to Tarbat Ness to empty their lobster crails. Jim Mitchell, 39,
said: 'Perhaps if she had been born and bred here it would be different
but, for me, there is no question of trying to make her some kind of hate
figure. We've made a decision to welcome her and her mother and that is
all there is to it.'
Finlay Munro, 70, a chain-smoking local academic who wrote the
official history of Portmahomack at his home on Rockfield Farm, said:
'Like many places in the Highlands, people here have a strong sense of
privacy. Historically, fishing villages like ours have attracted
visitors. We are used to people passing through and we take each one as
they come. If someone arrives, they leave their past behind them. We
don't like to pry. And if, as in Anne's case, we find out something
curious, we are understanding people. If she does not bother us, we
certainly won't bother her about her past.'
Apart from a few mutterings about Anne cashing in on her notoriety, she
and her mother are thrilled by the local reaction. It has convinced them
that the move to their adopted Scottish home will be their last.
At her 18th-century converted farmhouse on the outskirts of
Portmahomack, Anne said yesterday: 'I have never sought to hide. I have
never run away from the past and I have no intention of doing so now.
People in Portmahomack are fine, loving people. Their response has made
my mother and I more happy than ever to stay. Portmahomack is our home.'
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Film: a leap into the dark - Adam Mars-Jones reviews 'Heavenly Creatures',
a poetic portrait of two teenagers whose fantasies led to matricide
Peter Jackson's 'Heavenly Creatures' is a striking addition to the cinema
of folie a deux, the madness for two that is either a perversion of true
love or its purest manifestation, depending on your point of view.
Two teenagers in the New Zealand of the 1950s meet at a school whose
Latin motto promises Wisdom and Truth, and discover instead, in what
became a notorious case, fantasy and derangement.
The story of this disastrous relationship is that of the dreamer
out-dreamed. In the beginning it is Juliet (Kate Winslet), pretty,
blonde, assured, who is the dominant figure. She is English for a start,
which would cut ice in Auckland, let alone in cringing and
self-consciously nglophile Christchurch. She has travelled, she speaks
idiomatic French, and she has, with her weak lungs, the crowning glory of
the invalid.
It is Juliet who first does drawings of an imaginary medieval kingdom,
who rejects Christianity in favour of a heaven on earth called the Fourth
World, accessible only to the super-intelligent, who chooses the saints
and prescribes the rituals of a new religion. In all this, dumpy Pauline
(Melanie Lynskey) is her acolyte, but her need for escape is the greater
and she soon becomes the driving force of the fantasy.
Jackson's intelligent screenplay shows that what ended in madness and
murder had at least some of its roots in social climbing. Pauline is
embarrassed by her background - her parents take in paying guests - and in
the beginning is only trying to acquire the manners of a better class of
person. We see her copying the gracious mouth-dabbing action of Juliet's
lovely mother at table, which compares so favourably with her own mother's
clumsy napkin-swipe. Her highest approach to worldly happiness is when
Juliet's mother brushes her hair for her. Lynskey's face has one of its
rare releases from truculence in this moment of intimacy and acceptance.
She wrinkles her nose with a cat's pleasure at grooming.
In the early part of the story, Jackson's camera surprisingly shows us
the point of view of characters not in themselves sympathetic but who
don't see the heroines as they see themselves. We share the preposterous
French teacher's wince as her slap-dash use of the subjunctive is
corrected by a pupil, and it's perfectly plain to us that Juliet is
supercilious and insufferable. When Pauline's father mimes to her beloved
Mario Lanza record with a fish for a microphone, he is mocking her
obsession but also trying to connect with her on the level of play, and
her rejection of him is arbitrary. Perhaps it was the fish that was his
mistake (he is a fishmonger). His crime in his daughter's eyes is that he
can never get the smell of reality off his fingers.
The distinctive tone of 'Heavenly Creatures' comes from a strange sort
of seriousness about the past. Jackson recreates the decade before his
birth on the level of decor (down to the posters urging Eat Fruit Daily
with their clumsy collage of fruit making up the shape of a kiwi) and of
social order - schoolgirls on their backs raising their legs alternately
in the 1950s version of going for the burn.
But he is most interested in the poverty of the culture, which deprives
even those who seek to reject it and to live in their own sufficient
imaginations. When called upon to model for life classes, the schoolgirls
in the heroine's form strike poses that express nothing but a dim notion
of the 'artistic'. Juliet and Pauline are essentially no different, and
though the film's special effects go all out to enter the girls' fantasy
world, their escapes always have an edge of claustrophobia. (One of
Jackson's few mistakes is to make the Fourth World look like a kitsch
utopia from a Pierre and Gilles photograph).
It's as if some fatal moderation in the New Zealand landscape, with its
dusty greens and dull blues, makes even its rebel angels tame. Even
Cashmere turns out to be a suburban bus destination. Pauline's diary
entries (which are authentic) are full of statements that are both
melodramatic and strangely flat ('the shock was too great to have
penetrated my mind'). The inhabitants of the imaginary kingdom of
Borovnia are the greenish colour of Plasticine, with a partial exception
being made for the Mario Lanza figure, who has a pinky tinge.
The first sentence that Pauline writes in her 1953 diary is
particularly revealing of the fantasies of power underlying her shyness:
her New Year's resolution is to be more lenient with other people. Having
projected herself into Juliet's family, where she imagines all
compensation is to be found, she has nowhere to go when that fantasy is
shown up. Juliet's parents turn out to have no real interest in her -
they plan a long trip to Europe on their own and go ahead with it even
when she gets TB. Simpering, insincere Mummy and vague jaunty Daddy tell
her that four months will fly by in no time. Then, after their return, it
emerges that Juliet's mother has been putting rather more energy into her
job as a marriage guidance counsellor than was called for, and has been
consoling one man in particular.
Even towards the end of the film, Jackson does not stop mocking his
heroines as well as putting their case. On the day of the Happy Event, as
she calls it, the day when she and Juliet will revenge themselves on the
least inadequate parent either of them has, Pauline refers to all the help
she gives her mother with the cleaning. But what the camera shows is a
sulky girl flapping feebly at the clock on the mantlepiece with a duster.
As the story moves towards its climax, Jackson puts a lot of emphasis
on clocks, on the irrevocability of fate and time. But in his most daring
and distinctive sequence, which gives him some claim to be considered a
poet of the cinema, he goes in the opposite direction, somehow trying to
take the girls out of time immediately before they perform their
irrevocable act. This is not simply a suspense technique: the music is
radiant rather than ominous and the moment expands and expands, acquiring
a magic beyond anything the girls could dream of, as Juliet wrings her
hands even before they have blood on them, and Pauline trudges towards
violence in a child's ungainly sandals and black socks.
-Hope you enjoy these articles, Bao. Some fresh angles and comparisons,
and lots of praise for Genius Jackson (read Jackson, Walsh et al). Still
working on getting those other articles... Many thanks for the
digest entries I was missing - extremely illuminating!
Ah, my digest has just appeared! See ya later...
Phil
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Hello whatevers,
Here is a snippet from that august organ the West Australian in its review
of the Chabrol movie (which I hope to see shortly):
"Jeanne strikes up a relationship with Sophie, much to the disgust of the
family, and the film starts drifting - again, in the most subtle way
imaginable - into the dangerous crazy-sister territory mapped out by Peter
Jackson in Heavenly Creatures".
Well, I can see my view of HC as being sui generis is quite wrong. In
future, when someone asks me what sort of a movie it is, I'll be able to
say, oh, you know, it's one of those crazy-sister things. What other
candidates do we have? Butterfly Kiss, Fun ... any others? Crazy-brother
movies? Or is this yet another example of deadlier than...? Hysteria,
literally, rules, OK.
cheers
Sandra
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Sandra Bowdler wrote:
> In future, when someone asks me what sort of a movie it is, I'll be
> able to say, oh, you know, it's one of those crazy-sister things.
No, no, for me: It was more of a Diello chopping off the head of
reverend Norris sort of thing. I like it! Aaaaarghhh!!!
> What other candidates do we have? Butterfly Kiss, Fun ... any others?
> Crazy-brother movies? Or is this yet another example of deadlier
> than...? Hysteria, literally, rules, OK.
Sister My Sister
--
"Life is very hard." -lybao@earthlink.net
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All that talk of Vendetta and Audrey Hepburn reminded me of an HC-related
film I saw some time ago, 'The Children's Hour'. It stars Hepburn and
Shirley Maclaine as a couple of teachers at a private girls' school who
get accused of having a lesbian affair. As I recall, it's quite good at
portraying social prejudices and fears (and their sad results). The
relationship itself is nowhere near as intense or mutual as Pauline and
Juliet's, and the sexual attraction is largely one-sided. Still, daring
for 1961 and Maclaine is terrific. Just another one to watch out for.
Phil
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Subject: Behind the scenes: The Frighteners
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If anyone out there has access to the Sky TV network, there's a 30-minute
behind-the-scenes special on 'The Frighteners', Monday 2 September, 7.30
pm, on Sky Movies. Producer Robert Zemeckis is doing the commentary, but
surely Genius Jackson will grace us with his fentestuc presence? Has this
been shown on US/AUS/NZ TV? Now if only they'd release the damn film over
here...
Phil
P.S. On the credits for HC, there's a listing for 'video diary'. Cue Mr.
Rieper: 'What's thet?' (I'm dreaming it's someone employed to go round
filming the filming for a future 'making-of' programme. Someone disabuse
me of this notion...)
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: The Children's Hour
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 00:26:43 +0800 (WST)
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Uh, in what way exactly is The Children's Hour (based on Lilian Hellman's
play) like HC? Or are we going to include any film with a lesbian theme
here? Les Biches? Desert Hearts? The Killing of Sister George? All of
these movies have lesbian themes, and show the social stresses involved on
all concerned, but I wouldn't bracket them with HC.
cheers
Sandra
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: More candidates like HC?
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The only one I can think of that is *very* similar to HC is "Swoon".
It is a directorial debut for Tom Kalin in a stylish rendering of the
sensational 1924 kidnapping and murder of Bobby Franks by Richard Loeb
and Nathan Leopold Jr. and their subsequent trial and imprisonment. This
comparison is mentioned in many reviews and critiques and also in the
FAQ.
The only other close candidate I can think of is "Sister My Sister" (an
adaptation of Wendy Kesselman's play "My Sister in the House"), which I
have mentioned earlier. It is a directorial debut for Nancy Meckler--
inspired by the remarkable true story of a close sibling relationship
between two French sisters, working as maidservants for a tyrannical
matron, whose driven to both incest and murder.
Here is what Tom Keogh in coverage of the 1995 Seattle International
Film Festival have to say:
For better or worse, British filmmaker Nancy Meckler's first work will
almost certainly be compared to Peter Jackson's study of matricide,
"Heavenly Creatures." Meckler's story concerns a pair of emotionally-
starved sisters (Joely Richardson, Jodhi May) whose habitual isolation,
increasing paranoia, and sexual hysteria become an explosive mix in the
Dickensian household where they function as servants. Unlike Jackson's
fantastic approach, Meckler builds her horror with a keen eye for
environmental detail and the suppressed screams represented by tiny
gestures. Julie Walters and Sophie Thursfield portray the bizarre,
mother-daughter employers of the feverish siblings, and while everyone
in this four-character piece is sympathetically creepy, Richardson
("I'll Do Anything," daughter of Vanessa Redgrave) demonstrates again
that she is the true heir to a great acting family's talent.
--
Both the Zemeckis Theory and Hamlet+Homosexuality Theorist?
-lybao@earthlink.net ("Life is very hard.")
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001 - Jessie Lymn <jalymn@stude - the children's hour
002 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: The Children's Hour
003 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Heavenly Creatures Radio Programme!
004 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - The 57 Versions Research Project
005 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
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From: Jessie Lymn <jalymn@student.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: the children's hour
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:45:01 +0930 (CST)
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i was wondering when interest in lillian helman's the children's hour
would come into conversation - there's not much linkage apart form the
lesbian undertones, and even still in the hepburn/ maclaine movie there is
a happy ending and normal hetero lives are portrayed.
it's so interesting reading all your hc stuff. i have a scrapbook full of
actual newspaper articles from 1954 detailing the trial. i also have hard
copies of most articles mentioned. i'm willing to copy the soundtrack if
you're willing to send a tape.
re the nz cut of hc. can anyone tell me if this is the same as the
australian release or different.
i'm so proud that my local video shop still has six copies of hc on it
shelves!
jessie lymn
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Gosh, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...
I only mentioned this film because
1. I liked it, and the earlier versions, and the play, and I don't recall
it being mentioned before.
2. It has a desperate, sad ending (as I recall).
3. It is definitely not the same sort of thing as Desert Hearts, Sister
George and so on (and I enjoyed it more than those films, though I realize
this proves that I don't appreciate such great, seminal works, etc.; oops,
did I say seminal there?)
4. Shirley Maclaine is terrific.
So now you know.
Phil
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Heavenly Creatures Radio Programme!
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 11:58:02 -0700
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Hello Heavenly Whatevers!
Get your headset, soundcard, RealAudio Player ready! Sound clip excerpts
from the movie are available with radio programme comments (I can't
understand a word of it! Except Heavenly Creatures, Peter Jackson, Meet
The Feebles and that just about it):
http://www.radiocity.fi/radio/leffat/l-sivut/heavenly-creatures.html
P.S. I forgot to mentioned the price of Mystery Magazine #53 in my post,
$5.99. I had just realized that I got it for free! Hey, thanks to the
editor Ed Gorman!
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
Subject: The 57 Versions Research Project
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:45:04 -0800
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Some people spend the long holiday weekend out in the fresh air and
sunshine. Me, I put on my lab coat, sat down, and analyzed all the messages
about the "57 varieties" of HC. (It was a definite plan which I had
intended to carry out eventually.) Thought it would be of interest to some
fellow Creatures, so here's the synopsis:
BACKGROUND: As pointed out by Hideous Jean back in May, and reiterated by
the observant Jefferson, HC was shot in a manner whereby the original
negative was of relatively TV-proportions, but only the middle third
(approx., looks more like 3/5) was used, to create the wide-screen framing
seen in the theatre.
There are also extra scenes which didn't make it into the NAm theatrical or
video release: Bill Perry arriving at Ilam, and Bill playing tennis at the
Hulmes' garden party. Also, a longer cut of the chap in the TB ward which
shows him harking up a bowlful of blood (cut short in NAm).
It's how the original negative was transferred to video, and which extra
scenes are included, that gives us the different versions.
HYPOTHESIS: There are four versions. In order of increasing desirability,
they are:
1. NAm Pan/Scan.
FORMAT: Someone transferred it to video as if the "middle third" was all
there was, using panning and scanning (as Jefferson theorized). (Cue
Diello: "Bloody Fool!") We lose lots of precious detail and expressions in
all the constant back-and-forth. Although this is the worst way to see HC,
such is the power of this lovely film that it has won over many viewers to
Creaturedom even in this severely truncated format.
SCENES: None of the three extra bits are present. It conforms to the
version released in NAm theatres.
2. NAm Letterbox
FORMAT: Better. Available on laserdisk (and possibly on tape too -
anyone?), this version maintains the theatrical proportions, with black
masking on the top and bottom.
SCENES: Still nothing extra over version 1, though.
3. UK, NZ, & OZ Full Screen. (sources: Phil, Jean)
FORMAT: Fentustic! The entire (or nearly so) original negative is used. The
entire theatrical framing is there, so nothing is cut off... but even
better, we get to see the _extra stuff_ above and below.
SCENES: Virtually Unmitigated Joy! The Bloody Bill's Arrival and Tennis at
the Hulmes' scenes are there. The Bowl o' Blood, however, isn't.
4. STARZ Full Screen. (Sources: Bryan, Phil)
FORMAT & SCENES: Like 3, but: contains the longer cut of the Bowl o' Blood shot.
This version may also contain other trims and cuts removed for the NAm
versions, though if it's the case, no-one's pointed it out yet.
So the US philosophy is: make it fit the screen by giving you less (pan &
scan) or slavishly maintaining the original framing (letterbox; "move
along, nothing to see behind those black bars!"). The Euro/UK/Oz/NZ
philosophy: make it fit the screen by giving you MORE!
Given the choice of less, the same, or more, I know which one I'd choose.
Hope this was helpful. Now to submit this study to the International
Journal of Comparative Televisual Studies. Then I can get funding for a
research trip to NZ!
Adam
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 16:27:09 -0700
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I have a simple question that maybe someone can answer for me: when is
Melanie Lynskey birthday?
We all know Kate Winslet's is October 5th, 1975, right? She will turn 21
years old in 1 month, 3 days. It is a definite plan that I intend to
send her a birthday card whence it comes...
But I thought that perhaps we could all do it together? It will look
good, very good if we would all send our cards/letters together in one
box/package to show our appreciation! It will be fun and expensive. What
do you all think?
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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001 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
002 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Re: Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
003 - Steven Fammatre <rotwiler - Two Friends
004 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Miss Winslet
005 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - Re:The 57 Versions Research Project
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: Re: Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 19:22:57 +0930
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On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> But I thought that perhaps we could all do it together? It will look
> good, very good if we would all send our cards/letters together in one
> box/package to show our appreciation! It will be fun and expensive. What
> do you all think?
Hmmm... it does sound like an awfully nice thing to do, but I am still a
little hesitant about sending what would ultimately be considered fan mail.
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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Subject: Re: Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 21:58:53 -0400
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> But I thought that perhaps we could all do it together? It will look
>> good, very good if we would all send our cards/letters together in one
>> box/package to show our appreciation! It will be fun and expensive. What
>> do you all think?
>
>Hmmm... it does sound like an awfully nice thing to do, but I am still a
>little hesitant about sending what would ultimately be considered fan mail.
It might be kind of fun...
Michael
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From: Steven Fammatre <rotwiler@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Two Friends
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:30:19 -0700
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One movie I associate with HC is Jane Campions 1986 tele-film "Two
Friends".It was never released theatrically, and preceded "Sweetie" and "An
Angel at My Table", two apparantly brilliant films of Campion's I have never
seen...No murders or anything, but it does capture the female bond aspect of
HC that we all love. Kind of an experimental structure, as well. The film
has five segments, each chronologically later than the one before it, so we
follow the story of two close teenage friends in Australia that have drifted
apart. A new (the only) print showed at a revival theater here a few months
ago, and though it was filmed in 16MM and the sound was shoddy, I loved it.
Critics thought it was admirable but didn't think the structure worked as
more than an experiment (I did). Don't know if it's available on video, but
give it a try...
"Muriel's Wedding" is cool too (I know these are all Australian/New Zealand
films, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it......)
Ciao
Steve
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From: Michael Pellas <mpellas@sgi.net>
Subject: Miss Winslet
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 01:39:06 -0400
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Just got to see Kate's stint with Disney ( a kid in king arthur's
court)...I've never before seen a movie in the same category of
hideousness...but I adored her!!!
I actually had a tough time telling it was her at first until the scene
where she teels the kid her sister's been taken...it was her eyes that
convinced me...she's hypnotic.
Question re: the FAQ and the line "Thought I'd lost you." It mentions that
was "Particularly cruel" considering the trial...anyone know why? Or am I
missing something else?
yours,
Michael
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Re:The 57 Versions Research Project
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:10:09 +1000
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Hi all,
adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams) wrote...
[snip]
> 1. NAm Pan/Scan.
[snip]
> 2. NAm Letterbox
[snip]
> 3. UK, NZ, & OZ Full Screen. (sources: Phil, Jean)
[snip]
> 4. STARZ Full Screen. (Sources: Bryan, Phil)
Has anyone on this list from New Zealand seen the NZ video release? If so,
can they confirm that it is the longer version that was shown in film's
debut in NZ? Also, was there any further info on the dubbed German version?
Oh yes Adam, glad to see that there are other Apple users on this list!
Regards, Donald
--
Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...
and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"
<http://netspace.net.au/~donaldc>
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001 - Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.o - Re: Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
002 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - PJ ain't afraid of no ghost
003 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Happy Birthday Kate?
004 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Playing with genres
005 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Kate Winslet Project (and some Hamlet stuff)
006 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: The 57 Versions Research Project
007 - "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@ - Pauline's Limp and soundtrack
008 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Kate Winslet Project -- The Plan !
009 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: Kate Winslet Project -- The Plan !
010 - John Argentiero <jargent@ - The Kate Birthday Card Idea
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From: Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.oac.uci.edu>
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> I have a simple question that maybe someone can answer for me: when is
> Melanie Lynskey birthday?
You know I'd like to know this too.. so that I could set a special day
out of the year for "She" .. : )
> We all know Kate Winslet's is October 5th, 1975, right? She will turn 21
> years old in 1 month, 3 days. It is a definite plan that I intend to
> send her a birthday card whence it comes...
That's something I didn't know. Actually to tell you the truth, I've
never really cared much when it was a celebrity's birthday.. but when it
comes to Melanie or Kate, I'm interested. How about Jackson?
> But I thought that perhaps we could all do it together? It will look
> good, very good if we would all send our cards/letters together in one
> box/package to show our appreciation! It will be fun and expensive. What
> do you all think?
I'm interested.. So does that mean, we'll just send everything to you?
: ) Btw.. I lost your #!
----------------------------
"New Year's Resolution...Is a far more selfish one this year..
It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
Melanie Lynskey: The One I Worship (http://www.best.com/~thaivo)
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
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Dear crazy-sister thing whatevers
Following the rather dridful Sky TV look at 'The Frighteners'
behind-the-scenes the other night, I have only this to report:
*Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh have both seen the same ghost, a woman with
a screaming face who floated through their bedroom on two separate
occasions. Fran saw it 3 years ago (so during the writing or filming of
HC...) whilst Peter's encounter was earlier this year. No mention of
a handbag, but you never know.
*Michael J. Fox says that PJ is 'an actor's director'. As most of Fox's
scenes were filmed in front of a blue screen, I guess ol' Genius must have
a certain talent for rousing his cast.
*PJ used computer-operated cameras to do repeat takes with precisely the
same camera positioning. As MJF jokily complained (ha ha), this meant
doing the same thing over, and over, and over again. Though this was
mainly for S/FX shots, I wonder if there were any scenes in HC done this
way? There's certainly a lot of virtuoso camerawork, and perhaps that
track onto Melanie (first Ilam scene) took longer to capture than its
freshness suggests. I've always admired that lurching swoop down from
above the school as Henry pulls up in the car.
*From the looks of things, someone had taken a comb to PJ's hair for the
interviews. And what a nice bloke! Shame about the lousy programme.
Now, can anyone tell me if that's Mel Lynskey who walks past Michael J.
Fox at the reception?
Yours ever
Phil
---
"the best film of this year or any other, 'Heavenly Creatures'..."
(Julie Burchill, Sunday Times, 16 April 1995)
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Dear Heavenly Creatures,
For those of you who have been commenting on the possibility of sending Kate
Winslet letters for her 21st, I was wondering whether it would be possible
(it would surely be easier) to send emails? I don't know enough about this
email thing, but couldn't we send messages here (to the list) with specific
subject lines (eg. Happy Birthday Kate) and someone can forward them (as a
single mail) on behalf of the list. I doubt that she reads emails, but there
must be someone that we can send them to who could pass them on to her.
Anyone?
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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Subject: Playing with genres
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I've been thinking about this question of HC and genres that Sandra and
others have mentioned. I know nothing of film studies, but here are
my hopefully-provoking-if-tangled thoughts.
Genres, I take it, are a matter of convention and convenience. A genre
acts as a framing device, telling us which sort of film we're watching
by dropping us hints or generic signals. E.g.:
Once we know we're watching a thriller (by recognizing generic signals),
we don't bother asking what the criminal had for breakfast, because that's
not what thrillers tell us, and we know that. Thrillers thrill. They
have suspense sequences and AK-47s. UZIs. If we want breakfast scenes we
watch soap operas (all right, so there was a breakfast scene in 'Leon'
but forget that, OK?). Soap operas, in turn, don't tell us much about
death and terror, because horror movies do that. And so on. Such
parcelling out is so familiar to us that we seldom stop to think about it.
Thus the 'world' portrayed in films and TV comes mediated through a host
of genres, each of which takes one area of 'reality' as its province.
This is a convention we know and admit. Many contemporary directors are
wise to the possibilities of mixing generic signals, and use them to
distract or mislead their audiences. A classic example is the first half
hour of Kubrick's 'The Shining', which focuses strongly on the mental
powers of the little boy, leading its audience to expect him to be the
cause of trouble during the winter ahead rather than good ol' Jack. But
far from being a study of telepathy, the film turns out to be a ghost
story of sorts [I nicked this bit from Fredric Jameson's essay]. Such an
approach often gets called 'postmodern'.
Peter Jackson uses plenty of red herrings, and some of them are generic
'plays'. If Sandra is right, and HC is sui generis, then it's partly
because of the brilliant interplay of different generic signals which
Jackson uses to disorient his audience. I like that paradox: that HC is
unique because it is like so many other things. But what sort of film is
it? Lots of sorts, according to its generic signals (and this holds, I
think, however pastiched the genres actually become). PJ himself called
it a murder story without villains; a few other generic descriptions
might be:
*Horror. Already an issue because of PJ's other work. Then, as Jefferson
pointed out, some of the camera work (like the first liner scene, which
cuts just before Hilda and Henry turn round, as if they're monsters) is
distinctly horror. And we know PJ was worried about Jean Guerin's photo
of Mel and Kate covered in blood - he knew that it would give the
impression that HC was another blood'n'guts feast, or in other words, that
those blood-soaked faces would act as a generic signal saying 'horror
film'.
*Mystery-Whodunnit. Here PJ is even cannier. Pauline's 'It's mummy,
she's terribly hurt' never really leaves us in any doubt about who has
been done in (we've read the box, the reviews), but in a lesser film, the
whole plot might have revolved around whether Hilda or Honora is the
victim. Jackson is telling us that it is NOT a whodunnit by using a faint
echo of this corny whodunnit technique.
*Comedy. I think I've said enough about Monty Python. However:
*Cartoons. Cartoon 'violence' is present in nearly every Monty Python
episode, and when Pauline splurges the Borovnians with red ink, it's as
though we're watching the interval Tom & Jerry or Bugs Bunny. All those
comic deaths are rather cartoonish as well. In the NZ/AUS/UK version of
HC (to be known as Abrams3?], Dr. Bennett "dies" twice, just like so many
cartoon baddies, slit open by Diello and then splashed to death by the
girls. The huge rock looks just like one of those which ends up splatting
that stupied Coyote in Roadrunner (and its trajectory is uncannily like
the catapulted cow in The Holy Grail'...FETCHEZ LA VACHE!)
Hollywood Romance. In 'Much Ado', Ken'n'Em splashed around in a fountain
in slo-mo as the music swelled. Jackson's pastiche of this genre is one
better, aided and abetted by Peter Dasent's swirling score: yes, those
track shots in the Princess of Ilam scene, both along and up to Kate, and
then in a swoon in to Mel. Kenneth 7, Peter 10.
*Rites of passage. Schoolroom rebellion, problems at home
(especially the bathroom hogging, which in a normal house is just an
excuse for a moan, and doesn't prompt such loathing of mother), sexual
awakenings (which more or less subsumes the "lesbian" part of the film),
and so on.
There are loads more, but I shan't tire you further. The wonderful thing
is that the technique works brilliantly, and that so many people are
already on Jackson's bizarre generic 'wavelength(s)'. Or something... Oh
dear, that's all a bit hazy. Too many of those TB drugs again.
Well, if you've read all that, I think you deserve nothing less than the
Comfy Chair and the Soft Cushions. And an egg and salmon sandwich.
Phil
----
'Those girls are up to something in the bathroom.
I think they're sending *email* to each other...'
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Kate Winslet Project (and some Hamlet stuff)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:49:32 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> But I thought that perhaps we could all do it together? It will look
> good, very good if we would all send our cards/letters together in one
> box/package to show our appreciation! It will be fun and expensive. What
> do you all think?
I'd be happy to participate in such an
endeavor. With enough "Me Too's," we could probably whip something together.
(And of course the same goes for Mel's B-day)
In other news...
All you Kate-addicts out there should try renting the Laurence Fishburne
'Othello.' The tape has a 12 minute featurette on the making of
Branagh's 'Hamlet.' The clips are letterboxed and everything.
Branagh is the only one interviewed, but our beloved Ophelia-to-be makes
a few appearances. She's first introduced in the cast list, getting
third billing after Derek Jacobi (Claudius) and Julie Christie
(Gertrude). Ironic, considering that Empire magazine recently called
Kate the "next Julie Christie." Rather unsurprisingly, she looks phenomenal.
The most interesting clips (from my standpoint) are from the fabled love
scenes between her and Hamlet. She is indeed nekkid, although in the most
potentially revealing shot (sitting across from Hamlet in bed), her modesty is
protected by her long, golden locks (ala Francesca Annis in Polanski's
'Macbeth). So you'll have to wait until Christmas before you "see
anything." I can hear the voice over now--"Ophelia and I enacted how each
saint would make love in bid."
The film looks as if it will either be incredible or ridiculous. But
it'll definitely be nice to look at, splashed rather gaudily across the
screen in 70mm.
All in all, your Kate craving will be mildy assuaged. I don't know about
you, but I'm experiencing a 'Basketball Diaries'-type withdrawal.
--Jefferson
_________________________________________________________________
"As a matter of fact, only I can prevent forest fires."
^
--Anonymous
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: The 57 Versions Research Project
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, adam abrams wrote:
> So the US philosophy is: make it fit the screen by giving you less (pan &
> scan) or slavishly maintaining the original framing (letterbox; "move
> along, nothing to see behind those black bars!"). The Euro/UK/Oz/NZ
> philosophy: make it fit the screen by giving you MORE!
>
> Given the choice of less, the same, or more, I know which one I'd choose.
Another age-old debate. I must say I've gotten so used to letterboxing
that if I don't see those black bars I don't feel as if I'm watching a movie.
(Of course I'm not--I'm a watching a video transfer of a movie, but you
know what I mean).
A lot of director's are shooting full-frame stuff now, matting it for the
theatrical presentation, then opening it up for TV. While unmasking is
certainly preferable to panning and scanning, I guess I just like to get
the theatrical framing as accurately as possible. After all, the
director has made sure that there's nothing important behind those black
bars, since he knows none of that will be shown in the theater. All he
really has to worry about is that sound equipment or ceilings don't get
caught at the top of the frame when they shouldn't.
So caveats aside, I'd say that PJ basically "designed" HC to be seen at
2.35 to one, so that's how I like it.
'Course I still wouldn't mind seeing those extra scenes on an American
release...
--Jefferson
_________________________________________________________________
"As a matter of fact, only I can prevent forest fires."
^
--Anonymous
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From: "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pauline's Limp and soundtrack
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:19:57 -0700
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I beleive that Pauline does indeed have a noticible limp in the "realworld" and
loses it in fanatasy - for example she is limping (I think) in the opening
scenes in CGHS. With a lot of the camera angles its hard to tell.
As well her right shoulder is often noticeably lowered, which people who favor
one leg over the other often do. This shoulder thingy is noticeable in the
Bill-Perry-couldn't-possibly-get-into-mummy's-drawer's scene. But then again it
could be that huge mug she's sucking on. Is she limping? Is she cowering? Is
she drunk? I'd like to think limping, the thought that Pauline Parker was a
raging alchoholic certainly isn't an idea that's been entertained before so
I'll keep like that.
I'm babbling.
I would be interested in a copy of the souldtrack also if anyone is willing.
If anyone has confirmed or discredited the above statements since Aug. 30, I'm
a bit behind in my e-mail so just disregard any repitition.
Joanne
"Its all frightfully romantic!"
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kate Winslet Project -- The Plan !
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:10:11 -0700
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Hello Heavenly Critters,
Okay, here's the scoop:
I want us to send our "Happy 21st Birthday!!!" wishes under *the
HeavenlyWeb banner* on behalf of EVERYONE on the mailing list. Maybe
John Argentiero and/or Michaela Drapes (proud owners of Kate Winslet
Pages) can both undertake such a project and be in charge of gathering
all (everyone!) *fan-mails* then forward them in one huge, HEAVENLY-
DECORATED package to Kate Winslet, herself, for her 21st Birthday, on
October 5th. These cards and/or letters should be:
1) Purchased by individuals (in good taste).
2) Scribbled "Happy 21st Birthday" wishes in them (or love hymns, poems,
whatever you can think of).
3) Signed, addressed and sealed by the individual.
4) Sent to John, Michaela (if they agreed) or whomever would be in
charge.
5) We will also need someone to write a formal letter to Kate Winslet
on everyone's behalf.
6) John, Michaela or whomever is in charge will sent all of the
cards/letters in one (remembered, "heavenly-decorated") package,
thus forwarding everyone's *fan-mails* to Kate Winslet for her 21st
Birthday to read. :)
Now, doesn't that sounds like fun + expensive?? Of course, we would
need to get everyone on the list to participate, someone to write a
letter on everyone's behalf and also someone to collect and foward
the cards/letters, perhaps, picking up the mailing expense as well!!
If this all sounds agreeable to all 'critters', than perhaps Mr. Bryan
Woodworth can have a list tally and persuade everyone to get involved
in the action. Yeh or Neh?
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
P.S. I'm willing to take *any* part in this Project!!!
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: Re: Kate Winslet Project -- The Plan !
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 12:46:26 +0930
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> Of course, we would
> need to get everyone on the list to participate, someone to write a
> letter on everyone's behalf and also someone to collect and foward
> the cards/letters, perhaps, picking up the mailing expense as well!!
> If this all sounds agreeable to all 'critters', than perhaps Mr. Bryan
> Woodworth can have a list tally and persuade everyone to get involved
> in the action. Yeh or Neh?
Definitely a yeh.
Shannon
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From: John Argentiero <jargent@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: The Kate Birthday Card Idea
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:20:22 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey folks,
I don't peep much on this list, but I feel the need to here.
I respect everyone's enthusiasm with the birthday card idea, but I have to
say I don't think it's a very good idea. I think Kate is still kinda
weary about the whole "star" thing, and think that getting a whole bunch
of stuff from adoring fans she's never heard of is a great way of really
making her feel uncomfortable.
Given, I could be wrong, I do not know Kate, and probably never will.
But think about a bunch of people you don't know doing it to you.
Unsettling, eh?
In another list I was on, we tried a similar birthday card idea with
actress Sheryl Lee (Laura Palmer from Twin Peaks) and it ended up blowing
up in our faces. I don't want to see that happen here.
Sorry to be a wet blanket, but remember Kate is a person, not just some
pixels or some frames on a screen we idolize.
And sorry if this sounds preachy as well, I just want to keep out of the
potential stalker category whenever possible.
Flame at will,
John
John Argentiero
jargent@wam.umd.edu
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001 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: The Kate Birthday Card Idea
002 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Miss Winslet
003 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
004 - orson@CAM.ORG (Jean Gueri - Re:The 57 Versions Research Project
005 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Monty Python's take on Hardy
006 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls In Love
007 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Playing with genres
008 - "K. Roberts" <kmrobrts@u. - Re: The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls In Love
009 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Thoughts on Projects...
010 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Thoughts on Projects...
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: The Kate Birthday Card Idea
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:07:59 -0600
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John said:
>I don't peep much on this list, but I feel the need to here.
>I respect everyone's enthusiasm with the birthday card idea, but I have to
>say I don't think it's a very good idea. I think Kate is still kinda
>weary about the whole "star" thing, and think that getting a whole bunch
>of stuff from adoring fans she's never heard of is a great way of really
>making her feel uncomfortable.
>Given, I could be wrong, I do not know Kate, and probably never will.
>But think about a bunch of people you don't know doing it to you.
>Unsettling, eh?
>In another list I was on, we tried a similar birthday card idea with
>actress Sheryl Lee (Laura Palmer from Twin Peaks) and it ended up blowing
>up in our faces. I don't want to see that happen here.
>Sorry to be a wet blanket, but remember Kate is a person, not just some
>pixels or some frames on a screen we idolize.
>And sorry if this sounds preachy as well, I just want to keep out of the
>potential stalker category whenever possible.
I agree wholeheartedly. I'd rather not be a part of this project. I'm not really big on fan mail...
Like John, I have seen ideas like this go completely awry, and personally, I would not like to make
Kate feel uncomfortable in any way.
just my thoughts,
regards,
michaela
----
Michaela R. Drapes
oleanna@mail.utexas.edu michaela@cibola.net
http://www2.cibola.net/~michaela
"I can't bear pathetic little shoes..."--Kate Winslet
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Miss Winslet
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:37:30 +0800 (WST)
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On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Michael Pellas wrote:
>
> Question re: the FAQ and the line "Thought I'd lost you." It mentions that
> was "Particularly cruel" considering the trial...anyone know why? Or am I
> missing something else?
This is in particular reference to Henry Hulme's behaviour
after the murder and subsequent relationship with his daughter. He left
New Zealand before the trial, on the ship on which it was originally
planned he would take JMH to S Africa, saying his son needed him more, and
"the world will just have to think I am an unnatural father".
Hilda left NZ with Bill Perry (having changed her name to Perry by deed
poll) after the trial, with them saying Juliet was mad, three doctors had
said so, and there was nothing they could do.
JMH spent nearly 5 years in the toughest maximum
security prison in NZ with not a single visit from any member of her
family.
Sandra
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Dating Melanie... Kate Winslet Project?
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:46:53 +0800 (WST)
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How about we just get Gillian Helfgott (see *Shine*) to do their charts?
sb
On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Thaiphong Vo wrote:
> > I have a simple question that maybe someone can answer for me: when is
> > Melanie Lynskey birthday?
>
> You know I'd like to know this too.. so that I could set a special day
> out of the year for "She" .. : )
>
> > We all know Kate Winslet's is October 5th, 1975, right? She will turn 21
> > years old in 1 month, 3 days. It is a definite plan that I intend to
> > send her a birthday card whence it comes...
>
> That's something I didn't know. Actually to tell you the truth, I've
> never really cared much when it was a celebrity's birthday.. but when it
> comes to Melanie or Kate, I'm interested. How about Jackson?
>
> > But I thought that perhaps we could all do it together? It will look
> > good, very good if we would all send our cards/letters together in one
> > box/package to show our appreciation! It will be fun and expensive. What
> > do you all think?
>
> I'm interested.. So does that mean, we'll just send everything to you?
> : ) Btw.. I lost your #!
>
-
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From: orson@CAM.ORG (Jean Guerin)
Subject: Re:The 57 Versions Research Project
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:59:59 -0400
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>Has anyone on this list from New Zealand seen the NZ video release? If so,
>can they confirm that it is the longer version that was shown in film's
>debut in NZ?
It is. (At least Peter and Fran told me so) there are a few things missing
from all other versions (including Australia).
{Note: Please do not send me requests for a VHS copy- the answer is no, sorry!)
Spoke to Sarah Peirse on the phone last night. When I mentionned the
webpages and how she was a star on the net she replied :"how weird!"
Peter is attending the Venice film festival for THE FRIGHTENERS.
FORGOTTEN SILVER was screened at the Montreal film festival last week. It
is simply astonishing and hilarious. It's basically a "Mockumentary" about
a NZ film pioneer named Colin McKenzie who in 1908 shot the first sound
feature and then experimented with color. It's a marvellous example of the
"be outrageous with a straight face" school of kiwi humour. Giving
testimony on camera are Leonard Maltin, Sam Neill and , of course, Peter
Jackson. Perhaps the funniest moment for film buffs comes when Harvey
Weinstein (the head of Miramax) talks about the restoration of Colin
McKenzie's never completed epic SALOME and how "Colin would've been happy
with the hour we cut out")
Also screening at the Montreal film fest was the NZ nonsense comedy CHICKEN
which co-starred Jed Brophy (John/Nicholas- the idiot boarder from HC as
well as "Void" the JD zombie from Braindead/Dead Alive). It tells the story
of a 60s NZ pop star who is now reduced to doing commercials for a fast
food chicken joint and gets stalked by a rabid chicken-rights activist.
E. Jean Guerin
Film Critic (CBC Montreal's CityBeat, HOUR magazine)
Journalist (Cinefantastique)
Cult/Trash Cinema specialist (CBC-Radio's Brave New Waves)
Actor (_Heavenly Creatures_,_Frankenstein & Me_,_La Vengeance de la
Femme en Noir_)
The critics rave!
"The Most Hideous Man Alive"
-Kate Winslet, Academy Award Nominee
"Sexy Demon"
-TIME Magazine.
orson@cam.org
http://www.cam.org/~orson/index.html
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Monty Python's take on Hardy
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 00:04:42 -0700
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I've found some Monty Python's parodies on Thomas Hardy (Salad Days?
Phil or Jefferson had mentioned) at the following Thomas Hardy site
which you can listen to in .AU format:
http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~mws/sounds.html
Good gracious, Jean Guerin is back !! Today, at school, there were
literally hundreds of miniture flyers on campus with "IT" on them
(that's all it read) and I couldn't find anyone to explain IT to me.
Talk about a weird occurrence of events, I think IT's telepathy !!
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls In Love
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 00:19:51 -0700
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I don't know if this could be another comparison to HC or not--I haven't
seen it--but it might of been compared with HC before in reviews, I
can't remembered. Has anyone seen it?
I've found this from - The Advocate:
The film is set in rural New York State and tells the story of two
high school seniors, Randy Dean (Laurel Holloman), an underprivileged
lesbian outcast, and Evie Roy (Nicole Parker), a beautiful, intelligent,
and popular African-American girl. This unlikely couple first comes
together when Evie brings her psychosomatic Range Rover to the gas
station where Randy works after school. The girls are immediately
attracted to each other and begin a friendship that quickly blossoms
into something more.
Aside from dealing with some very hard-hitting issues, Two Girls
In Love is essentially a romantic comedy. It's a feel-good movie that
captures all the freshness and innocence associated with young love.
Both Hollomon and Parker give remarkably honest performances for those
of us who are a little bit left of centre. But the most important thing
about this film is how it reminds us what a true adventure love is,
especially between two girls."
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Playing with genres
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:27:51 +0800 (WST)
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Hello Creatures, Stalkers and other Inter-Generical Travellers,
Phil's post makes some very interesting points re HC and genres, with most
of which I agree (surprise surprise). I remember when JDP was compiling
the FAQ, and collating names of other movies about murderous juveniles
and/or school settings, and I contributed some myself, but I do remember
thinking it seemed a pointless exercise. At the time I assumed it was
just because that was what one was supposed to put in an FAQ, but really
most of the films listed have no relevance to HC whatsoever. It might
however be interesting to trawl through them now, with an eye to
canvassing the kinds of genres on which PJ was drawing, and simultaneously
subverting (for anyone who has that kind of time to spare). Most of the
first category tend to follow the Lord of the Flies template, in that the
sub-text is that children are heir to some kind of original sin or
phylogenetic aggression factor that is loosed under certain circumstances
(most egregiously in The Bad Seed, a much celebrated truly awful movie).
These all contain hints in their early stages of the wickedness within
which will be fully unleashed at the climax; HC of course does not work
like that at all.
With respect to the splatter film genre, PJ's earlier oevre, and the Heinz
57 discussion, I think it was the right decision to leave out the gout of
blood at the sanatarium, in keeping with the decision to hold back the
blood-stained stills. Admittedly, I have never seen a version with
this in it, but I assume it is a bit gratuitous. Without it, the only
violence before the climax is (as Phil says) cartoon like and occurs in
fantasy form only. The only blood before the climax (excluding the
prologue of course) in this version is what Juliet hawks on to her page
in the history lesson, which is not gratuitous at all. This then serves
to make the attack on Honora shockingly real and immediate, and quite
distinct from splatstick.
Perhaps I am becoming jaded, but it seems to me that movies are more and
more genre-bound these days, certainly the American product. I like films
that confuse genres, but I think they're becoming rarer. Some other
examples might be Angel Heart and The Crying Game, both of which seem to
start off in one genre and end up being something quite different. To
some extent I also think this is true of Muriel's Wedding, which starts
off like a typical australian fruit salad movie (all brightly coloured,
lots of colour and movement and those *funny* accents), but which makes
some quite telling observations on australian consumerism and political
corruption, and also finds quite a darker tone half way through. (Perhaps
I should say that I don't care much for Shine, it just seems to me to be
another celebrity biopic, with the added quirk of a pretty disengaging
hero. But I don't like Rachmaninoff, and there are other reasons why
people from Perth might find it hard to take. But definitely a genre
entry).
I tend to stick to my observation that HC is sui generis, but I think it
has this in common with other movies I like, that, as Phil suggests, it
works to comment on and subvert other genres.
cheers
Sandra Bowdler
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From: "K. Roberts" <kmrobrts@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls In Love
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT)
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> I don't know if this could be another comparison to HC or not--I haven't
> seen it--but it might of been compared with HC before in reviews, I
> can't remembered. Has anyone seen it?
The only thing these two movies have in common is girls kissing. That's
it. They're completely different. The Incredibly True Adventures of Two
Girls In Love is a first-love, high school romance fluff kind of story.
It's an OK film, but not anywhere near as engaging or haunting as Heavenly
Creatures.
The only movies similar to Heavely Creatures I can think of are "Sister My
Sister" and "Swoon," both of which I'm pretty sure have been mentioned on
the list before. Swoon is based on the Leopold and Loeb case, which I
believe was the first case to use the insanity defense in US courts.
Sorry, this is off-topic, but does anybody here know what else Jodhi May
(I think that's her name, the one who played the younger sister in Sister
My Sister) has been in?
Kamala
---
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~kmrobrts
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Thoughts on Projects...
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:03:02 -0700
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Hello gels, stalkers, whatevers:
I just thought that if Kate Winslet gets cards and letters from us
adoring fans on her 21st Birthday, she would be happy. Why not? Surely,
she is talented, has a great career ahead of her and very famous. Kate
knows she has a lot fans, especially here on the Internet. The .WAV file
of her reaction to John's Page is exceedingly candid and good to listen
to. I think Kate appreciates her fans as much as her new fame and career
deeply. We might *not* need to unite and organize for such, but the idea
is just a simple and sincere form of graditude. I thought if we can do
it, just think of what it might do for other/future projects such as:
The "HC Crusade" to get Miramax to release the original cut, The
Criterion Collection to release HC or the Heavenly Tour to NZ with
fellow creatures on this list! We should make a pack to unite for
certain causes: let them be worthy, ours and not in vain.
I guess John and Michaela are in a more sensitive position about it than
we are. I just wish Kate Winslet the "Happiest of 21st Birthdays..." Who
knows, maybe I'll go down to Mexico and see how they're doing with the
Titanic! (just kidding) I'll go to Hollywood...
Ezra Pound: "I have tried..."
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Projects...
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:37:48 +0800 (WST)
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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> Hello gels, stalkers, whatevers:
>
> .... We should make a pack to unite
Some typos really cannot be let to pass unnoticed...
cheers
Sandra
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001 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Thoughts on Projects...
002 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Thoughts on Projects...
003 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Thoughts on Projects...
004 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Thoughts on Projects...
005 - tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk (Ti - Favourite scenes
006 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - Finnish HC interview...
007 - "karen mcquillen" <kmcqui - Jodhi May
008 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - re:HC Finnish interview...
009 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: Thoughts on Projects...(and a bit on stardom)
010 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - HC On Optus Vision?
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Projects...
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:59:05 -0700
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Damn it, I meant: "We should make a pact to unite." No packaging
necessary!!
---------
Sandra Bowdler wrote:
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
>
> > Hello gels, stalkers, whatevers:
> >
> > .... We should make a pack to unite
>
> Some typos really cannot be let to pass unnoticed...
>
--
"Innocence. Imagination. Obsession."
lybao@earthink.net
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Projects...
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:58:34 +0800 (WST)
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That wasn't the sort of pack that suggested itself to me...
On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> Damn it, I meant: "We should make a pact to unite." No packaging
> necessary!!
>
> ---------
>
> Sandra Bowdler wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> >
> > > Hello gels, stalkers, whatevers:
> > >
> > > .... We should make a pack to unite
> >
> > Some typos really cannot be let to pass unnoticed...
> >
>
> --
>
> "Innocence. Imagination. Obsession."
> lybao@earthink.net
>
>
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Projects...
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 20:23:22 -0700
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What is it?? I haven't a clue of what else it could of inferred...
---------
Sandra Bowdler wrote:
>
> That wasn't the sort of pack that suggested itself to me...
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
>
> > Damn it, I meant: "We should make a pact to unite." No packaging
> > necessary!!
> >
> > ---------
> >
> > Sandra Bowdler wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello gels, stalkers, whatevers:
> > > >
> > > > .... We should make a pack to unite
> > >
> > > Some typos really cannot be let to pass unnoticed...
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > "Innocence. Imagination. Obsession."
> > lybao@earthink.net
> >
> >
--
"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Projects...
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:27:20 +0800 (WST)
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Pack of stalkers ... (as in wolves)
sb
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From: tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk (Tine Nielsen)
Subject: Favourite scenes
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:44:32 +0200
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Hi all,
As I am a newbie to this list, I don't really know what you have spoken
about before, so I am just gonna ad my own little contribution and take it
from there.
>From the first time I saw 'Heavenly Creatures' I was caught by it, it's such
a magical mysterious movie.
I have been wondering which scenes in the movie people like best, here are
my favourite scenes:
1) When Juliet enters the school for the first time and she corrects the
French teacher for having made a grammatical error. And the look on the
teacher's face is just worth gold when Juliet goes, " you should have
written va".
2) When Pauline tells Juliet that she thinks John is in love with her. The
hurt that shows on Juliet's face is just so tear provoking. What she is
realizing is, that her one and only friend is might be leaving her, the only
person who has ever shown her real affection. Kate Winslet is just heart
breaking in that scene.
Another thing is, can anybody tell me who has released the soundtrack, the
name of the composer and possibly the number of the CD. Thanx
Ciao,
Tine Nielsen, Denmark. email:tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk
***************************************************
I haven't lost what I can find in you baby
DGIF no. #11 521. Danmarks jernhaarde ladies no 109
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Finnish HC interview...
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:51:59 +1000
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Hi all,
A couple of days ago, Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net> wrote the following...
>Get your headset, soundcard, RealAudio Player ready! Sound clip excerpts
>from the movie are available with radio programme comments (I can't
>understand a word of it! Except Heavenly Creatures, Peter Jackson, Meet
>The Feebles and that just about it):
>
>http://www.radiocity.fi/radio/leffat/l-sivut/heavenly-creatures.html
Well, for those with a low bandwidth link, use the following URL...
http://www.radiocity.fi/ra/heavenly-creatures.1.ra
That should give you a page full of jumbled text. Save the the page as a
text file with your browser (I used Netscape 3.0), then open that file with
Real Audio Player. You should be able to hear the file without the
choppiness that a low bandwidth link gives. The file is about 195K in size.
Even with the full speed streaming, it didn't help my comprehension of the
radio announcer.
Regards, Donald
--
Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...
and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"
<http://netspace.net.au/~donaldc>
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From: "karen mcquillen" <kmcquillen@ets.org>
Subject: Jodhi May
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 9:12:00 EDT
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Johdi May, of "Sister My Sister" fame, was in 'Masterpiece Theater'
production which appeared on PBS on May 12-13, 1996. The title was "Signs and
Wonders". Quoting from the New York Times, May 10, 1996 it is "...about a
vicar's daughter (Jodhi May) who abandons her family to live with a religious
cult in Los Angeles...Mom flies to California to join a deprogrammer (James
Earl Jones) she has hired to kidnap her daughter from the World Mercy
Mission..."
I did not get a chance to see the program, but the preview I saw for it
(which I caught after watching a "Prime Suspect" episode) looked intriguing.
Karen
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
Subject: re:HC Finnish interview...
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 00:02:46 +1000
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Hi all,
Here is the URL for the 28.8 version (the earlier URL was for the 14.4 version).
http://www.radiocity.fi/ra/heavenly-creatures.2.ra
Regards, Donald
--
Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...
and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"
<http://netspace.net.au/~donaldc>
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Projects...(and a bit on stardom)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:25:57 -0400 (EDT)
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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> I just thought that if Kate Winslet gets cards and letters from us
> adoring fans on her 21st Birthday, she would be happy. Why not? Surely,
> she is talented, has a great career ahead of her and very famous. Kate
> knows she has a lot fans, especially here on the Internet.
I agree. I mean, if she can handle the idea of several 24-hour web sites
devoted entirely to her, full of pictures, sounds, personal info, etc,
then surely she's psychologically equipped to deal with a box of fan
mail. God knows what kinds of weird stuff she must get sent every day.
I mean, I could see the problems if someone
decided to enclose nude pictures of themselves along with the birthday
card...but I have no such plans at this point. (collective sigh of relief)
>From what I've seen, Ms. Winslet seems to be dealing with her stardom in
a healthy, grounded way. Even the madness of Cannes didn't seem to faze
her too much (Imagine thousands of flashbulbs popping in your face, with
hundreds of people you don't know yelling "Kate! Kate! Over here!").
In fact, in an interview she said that she was already more or less "used
to it." She ought to be, as her job is to act while being photographed
24 times a second, and in essence to say to an audience, "I'm
interesting. Pay attention to me." Of course she is, and we do. From
what I've seen, she seems fully prepared to deal with the mildly Faustian
aspects of being famous.
--Jefferson
_________________________________________________________________
"As a matter of fact, only I can prevent forest fires."
^
--Anonymous
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: HC On Optus Vision?
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:58:03 +0930
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About a month or so ago, Donald mentioned that HC was to be screening
numerous (5?) times on Optus Vision in Australia during August.
Any news on what happened, Donald? Did they play different versions?
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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001 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: favourite scenes (Soundtrack info)
002 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Favourite scenes (Je doutais qu'il "vint")
003 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: Favourite scenes
004 - "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@ - limp and soundtrack
005 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - re:HC On Optus Vision?
006 - "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@ - already sent apology
007 - "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@ - Kate's Birthday
008 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - Cards for Kate idea - my .02
009 - trustno1@ra.isisnet.com ( - new lister
010 - Ameyumi@aol.com - question?
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: favourite scenes (Soundtrack info)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:35:24 +0100 (BST)
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Hello Creatures
A few things the FAQ (3.1.19, 5.6) doesn't say about the soundtrack,
following Tine's post (hello Tine):
'Two Dutiful Daughters' (6) doesn't include the piano-ish bit which plays
during that enormous hugging session perpetrated by the ecstatic Paul and
Juliet, and then during the car ride. I wish it did, just as I wish
someone had thought to put Mel reading 'The Ones That I Worship' on, too.
Ah well. The piano bit in question is yet another version of the 'Pauline
& Juliet' theme (13). (Pianists have a go yourself, it's a sweet little
number for improvising. Very Satie. Somewhat Debussy. Sprinkle the
*tiniest* pinch of Ravel just before serving...)
The chord at the end of 'A Night With the Saints' is missing in the film
as seen outside NZ - presumably, this is the 'SIN' thing on the tower
of Borovnia exploding in a cascade of maple syrup (see several 'hideous'
posts).
Orchestrations by Bob Young. The reviewer who said that Peter Dasent had
been force-fed Delius until it was coming out of his ballpoint should have
included Young in his praise (I *think* it was praise!). Did Dasent do
any of the orchestrations? There are some nice touches: those three
rather breathless steps up to the oboe solo at the start of 'A Night With
the Saints', the adventurous horns during 'The Princess of Ilam', the
kiddy-style glockenspiel (played with soft plastic or rubber mallets, by
the sound of it - quite unusual) underneath 'Our main idea for the
day...'. Orchestrators never get much credit - I suppose because no one
knows quite what they've done - leaving composers to take all the glory.
Patrick Doyle, Branagh's house composer, doesn't usually orchestrate his
own stuff, but his name always turns up early on the opening credits.
Doyle, by the way, supervised Kate Winslet's singing for S&S.
Yours appassionata e con fuoco
Phil
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Favourite scenes (Je doutais qu'il "vint")
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 15:19:19 -0700
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Hello there....
> 1) When Juliet enters the school for the first time and she corrects the
> French teacher for having made a grammatical error. And the look on the
> teacher's face is just worth gold when Juliet goes, " you should have
> written va".
Miss Waller wrote "Je doutais qu'il vienne" while it is in fact the
*spoken* subjunctive, as Juliet correctly pointed out. She should have
written "vint" (the present subjunctive). Let me just say, I know
nothing about French and that I got this from the screenplay.
I think my favourite scene is when reverend Norris tried to preach to
Juliet about the power of God: until Diello, who appeared out of
nowhere, grabbed him, and dragged him mercilessly away into Borovnia to
where he was beheaded!!! That was the best part! really.
Does anyone knows if anything was written, as dialogue, of what reverend
Norris was saying during his speech because we only see him mumbling in
Juliet's face most of the time?
--
"To think that so much could have happened in so
little time caused by so few." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Never before have I hit so many creatures so
hard for so little reason." -lybao@earthlink.net
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Favourite scenes
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:11:40 -0400 (EDT)
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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Tine Nielsen described one of her favorite scenes:
> 2) When Pauline tells Juliet that she thinks John is in love with her. The
> hurt that shows on Juliet's face is just so tear provoking. What she is
> realizing is, that her one and only friend is might be leaving her, the only
> person who has ever shown her real affection. Kate Winslet is just heart
> breaking in that scene.
Superb stuff, I agree. I think my favorite moment in the entire film is
when the clay Deborah transforms itself into Kate--That wonderful
slow-mo shot of her spinning around. Juliet's laughter echoing on the
soundtrack. "You're crying. Don't be sad, Gina..." Juliet's seductive
smile. Paul's tearful expression of love. I break out in gooseflesh
every time.
> Another thing is, can anybody tell me who has released the soundtrack, the
> name of the composer and possibly the number of the CD. Thanx
The soundtrack is available on the Milan label. The composer is Peter
Dasent. The number...haven't got the disc in front of me so I'll have to
get back to you.
--Jefferson
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From: "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@hotmail.com>
Subject: limp and soundtrack
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:00:01 -0700
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I think I may have forgot to send this after writing it:
I beleive that Pauline does indeed have a noticible limp in the "realworld" and
loses it in fanatasy - for example she is limping (I think) in the opening
scenes in CGHS. With a lot of the camera angles its hard to tell.
As well her right shoulder is often noticeably lowered, which people who favor
one leg over the other often do. This shoulder thingy is noticeable in the
Bill-Perry-couldn't-possibly-get-into-mummy's-drawer's scene. But then again it
could be that huge mug she's sucking on. Is she limping? Is she cowering? Is
she drunk? I'd like to think limping, the thought that Pauline Parker was a
raging alchoholic certainly isn't an idea that's been entertained so far so
I'll keep like that.
I'm babbling.
I would be interested in a copy of the souldtrack also if anyone is willing.
If anyone has confirmed or discredited the above statements since Aug. 30, I'm
a bit behind in my e-mail so just disregard any repitition.
Joanne
"Its all frightfully romantic!"
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:29:48 +1000
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Hi,
> About a month or so ago, Donald mentioned that HC was to be screening
> numerous (5?) times on Optus Vision in Australia during August.
>
> Any news on what happened, Donald? Did they play different versions?
I saw them all. They were all the same version, the Australian video
release one. Looks like I will have to personally go to NZ and get that
video myself.
Regards, Donald
--
Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...
and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"
<http://netspace.net.au/~donaldc>
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From: "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@hotmail.com>
Subject: already sent apology
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:18:45 -0700
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Sorry everyone, it looks like I did already send it.
"Its all frightfully romantic!"
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From: "Joanne Hickey" <jhickey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kate's Birthday
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:05:50 -0700
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Couldn't someone just purchase a lovely, quiet, unassuming, non-threatening card
and send it to her on all our behalves? We could maybe list on the card all
those on the mailing list. This way she would know that she has hourdes of
fans who care, without being bombarded with mail that she may never get time to
open, or for that matter, may never cross her blotter.
Joanne
"Its all frightfully romantic!"
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From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
Subject: Cards for Kate idea - my .02
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:42:39 -0800
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Hi all -
Re the birthday card idea...
I think it's a good one. As has been pointed out: Kate Winslet seems to
have her head on straight and be quite prepared for some well-meant cards
from her devoted fans. (It's not like she doesn't get letters!) She seemed
delighted when she was shown her web page. I don't imagine her being
anything but charmed.
If the level of intelligent discussion in this group is any indicator, we
don't have to worry about making a good impression. Everyone will be on
their best behaviour. (We _could_ leave them open to be read over by the
person who does the final sending!) The 21st is a special birthday and it's
a chance to do something appropriately special.
John - what went awry with the Sherilyn Fenn project? I only ask because it
might be instructive to know if it would help us avoid repeating any
mistakes.
Finally. If we could pull together and bring this off successfully, it
would be a real achievement for a far-flung group of folks like us.
Something to be quite proud of!
We could individually decide to just send our own cards. But BaoLy's
"package" idea sounds so much nicer, with a cover letter and everything. Do
we want to take a vote? That would be the democratic way...
One thing's for certain: if we're going to do it, we'd better hurry. Time's
a-wasting and some of us are pretty far away from each other, postally
speaking!
Awaiting replies and responses...
Adam
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From: trustno1@ra.isisnet.com (Gina)
Subject: new lister
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:24:22 -0300 (ADT)
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hello fellow HC fans,
just got on the list today. Heavenly Creatures is my all time favorite film.
im a big fan kate winslet's work and now see everything shes in. i havent
seen frightners yet so i cant say anything about melanie except that she was
fab in HC. has anybody else also seen Dead Alive. that was cool, thats the
most blood iv ever seen in a flick. it was so funny to, especially at the
end when he goes through all the zombies with the lawn mower :)
Later listers,
*Gina*
___________
\ / "Be Strong, Speak True, Spread the Peace."
\ Pride /
\ / ~mle
\ /
\ /
*
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From: Ameyumi@aol.com
Subject: question?
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:34:42 -0400
Anybody know exactly how many people are on this list?
Lisa
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001 - Ameyumi@aol.com - Re: Kate's Birthday
002 - trustno1@ra.isisnet.com ( - HC
003 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: question?
004 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: The 57 Versions Research Project
005 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Snakecharmers in Texas
006 - Erica Jamieson <beatles@w - Just testing...
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From: Ameyumi@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kate's Birthday
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:41:41 -0400
> Couldn't someone just purchase a lovely, quiet, unassuming, non->
threatening card
> and send it to her on all our behalves? We could maybe list on >the card
all those on the mailing list. This way she would know >that she has hourdes
of fans who care, without being bombarded >with mail that she may never get
time to
> open, or for that matter, may never cross her blotter.
>
> Joanne
This sounds like a great idea to me and one that I would be glad to
participate in. I would much rather do this idea than the other. I think
that she would appreciate this as much if not more than a big package of
gifts and other things. Sometimes the smaller things are the ones that get
the most noticed.
Lisa
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From: trustno1@ra.isisnet.com (Gina)
Subject: HC
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:55:49 -0300 (ADT)
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hello again,
Joanne, i can make ya a copy of the soundtract. may take awhile since the
stero on the blizt but ill make it work. just mail me your snail-mail
address.i had to get my copy from someone on the chat room.
So i see we're talking about favorite moments. Lets see, my fav part is when
paul and juliet are on the bus and 'That idiot border' is folowing them on
the bike and runs into the police man. *priceless* :) my other fav moment is
when juliet&paul are at the beach. "I wonder if she'll get it up the duff on
there first night together" . :)
*gina*
___________
\ / "Be Strong, Speak True, Spread the Peace."
\ Pride /
\ / ~mle
\ /
\ /
*
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: Re: question?
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 10:03:21 +0930
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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 Ameyumi@aol.com wrote:
> Anybody know exactly how many people are on this list?
> Lisa
Billions. In fact, I don't know anybody who is not on the List. Really.
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The 57 Versions Research Project
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:19:05 +0100 (BST)
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On Thursday 5 September, Jefferson wrote
> I guess I just like to get
> the theatrical framing as accurately as possible. After all, the
> director has made sure that there's nothing important behind those black
> bars, since he knows none of that will be shown in the theater.
>
> So caveats aside, I'd say that PJ basically "designed" HC to be seen at
> 2.35 to one, so that's how I like it.
It's true that certain brilliances of visual framing are lost in the
unmasked, Full Frame version. I tend to notice more in the 'posed', still
shots rather than the steadycam stuff. Most notably, in the pan down onto
the assembly of singing girls, it is harder to pick Paul out straight
away. When I first saw this scene in the theatre framing (2:35.1) it made
me sit up very straight - she just leaps out of the screen and sulks at
you!
Also better in the theatre format is Rev Norris' looming face. It's just
much funnier and sillier when it fills the whole screen, made me laugh
out loud for the first time. And the close-ups of Mel and Kate's eyes are
even more spine-tingling when you can't see so much of their noses! I've
nothing against noses, it's just my opinion.
I actually prefer a few shots in the FF version: the girls watching the
bonfire of records, the girls standing in front of Ilam watching unicorns.
But this could just be because I'm used to seeing their feet.
Phil
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Snakecharmers in Texas
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:44:08 +0100 (BST)
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The re-emergence from the Vienna sewers of a certain 'hideous' film-
critic-cum-actor has reminded me of what the Financial Times' reviewer
said about Pauline and Juliet:
'What the two girls should probably have done, before stepping into blood,
is become film critics. There, madness is an everyday experience and the
profession could use their discriminating, caustic imaginations. I
particularly liked their movie altar containing... photographic shrines
to... 'He' (Lanza), 'Him' (Mason) and 'This' (Mel Ferrer). Anyone who can
recognise the 'this'-ness of Mel Ferrer is born to review movies.'
Or indeed the 'IT'-ness of Orson Welles, I guess. BTW, I just saw 'Ed
Wood' again - how could I have forgotten the Orson appearance? Is there
some sort of club for IT impersonators?? The mind boggles.
Phil
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Subject: Just testing...
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:42:39 -0700
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Test 1....2.....3....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAD FER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....Oasis that is.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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001 - Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.o - Re: new lister
002 - Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.o - Re: limp and soundtrack
003 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Re: limp and soundtrack
004 - Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.o - Re: limp and soundtrack
005 - "karen mcquillen" <kmcqui - HC Previews
006 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Re: limp and soundtrack
007 - tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk (Ti - Screenplay info PLEASE!!!!!
008 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: Screenplay info PLEASE!!!!!
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From: Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.oac.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: new lister
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:56:30 -0700 (PDT)
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Hiya.. : )
> just got on the list today. Heavenly Creatures is my all time favorite film.
> im a big fan kate winslet's work and now see everything shes in. i havent
HC is mine too, I can't really explain to most people why.. but there
is indeed so much that was done right. I haven't seen a movie since that
has captured that same magic that I experienced on my first viewing of
HC, and repeat viewings too.. : )
I've got the same addiction to Kate WInslet films too.. I even enjoyed
the parts of A Kid In King Arthur's Court...
> seen frightners yet so i cant say anything about melanie except that she was
> fab in HC. has anybody else also seen Dead Alive. that was cool, thats the
> most blood iv ever seen in a flick. it was so funny to, especially at the
> end when he goes through all the zombies with the lawn mower :)
Melanie was the best thing about HC for me.. It is her performance that
I usually zero in on, and draw the most enjoyment from. Dead Alive was
very gross.. but gut-busting too. I enjoyed Bad Taste even more though..
Since Peter Jackson has such a large role, actually roles..
-Thai
----------------------------
"New Year's Resolution...Is a far more selfish one this year..
It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
Melanie Lynskey: The One I Worship (http://www.best.com/~thaivo)
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From: Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.oac.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: limp and soundtrack
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
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> I would be interested in a copy of the souldtrack also if anyone is willing.
The Tower Records near me has a copy for sale.. I think it's 17.99.
Whichi is much better than the 34$ I had to pay.. :(
I can pick it up for anyone who's interested.
-Thai
----------------------------
"New Year's Resolution...Is a far more selfish one this year..
It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
Melanie Lynskey: The One I Worship (http://www.best.com/~thaivo)
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From: Michael Pellas <mpellas@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: limp and soundtrack
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 00:13:05 -0400
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The Tower Records near me has a copy for sale.. I think it's 17.99.
Whichi is much better than the 34$ I had to pay.. :(
>I would very much appreciate it. I would love to have it on disc...there
is not one single store in western Pennsylvania that carries it.
E me your snail mail address, and we'll connect.
Finally got to see Sense and Sensability. I know the films been discussed
before...but would anybody mind refreshing their opinion?
One of many fav scenes:what transpires after Paul wrecks her bike and feigns
death. The "UGH! You've been eating onions!" scene is absolutley hilarious...
Hey Gina welcome to the HC support group for whatevers...
I would love to be a part of the KW B-day project. I think the one card
dedicated from all of us is a great idea.
Yours,
Michael
---------
"You don't know the power you have with that tear in your hand."
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From: Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.oac.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: limp and soundtrack
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
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> Finally got to see Sense and Sensability. I know the films been discussed
> before...but would anybody mind refreshing their opinion?
I thought the film was very well done. Kate Winslet deserved all the
acclaim that she recieved, it truly was an inspired performance. If
anyone has a chance, pick up the S&S audio book. It's extremely
entertaining to hear Kate do other character voices.. I wonder if the
tapes were made after the movie though, since her reading of some of the
characters sound suspiciously similar to the movie's actors. It's also
incredible to have a 3 hour long recording of Kate's voice!
The film was beautifully filmed, and I didn't come into it with the
knowledge that Kate was in it.. imagine my surprise and glee when I
realized! :) I suppose the film couldn't make a mistake after that
realization in my mind.. I'm appreciative of a lot of English films, but
some I have to admit are rather dull. This film was bright, fast, funny,
and thoughtful. I had hoped that it would win best picture, even though
I hadn't seen any of the other nominies. Braveheart is a prety good
movie, I just saw it 30 mins ago. : )
> One of many fav scenes:what transpires after Paul wrecks her bike and feigns
> death. The "UGH! You've been eating onions!" scene is absolutley hilarious...
Indeed, that's probably one of my favorite scenes too.. Don't you also
love how Melanie's face is all happy one moment, then she pulls a face
when she sees the truck.. I cracked up the first time I saw it, I thought
it was a wonderful touch, and easily missed. The scene that I adore most
must be the birth of Diello.. It's so spirited and twisted! Kate laying
there with a layer of sweat on her brow--all I can think of is, how hard
she must have been pushing the imaginary baby to form that sweat--and
Melanie looking so terribly anxious.
> "You don't know the power you have with that tear in your hand."
-I loved "Little Earthquakes" !
-Thai
----------------------------
"New Year's Resolution...Is a far more selfish one this year..
It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
Melanie Lynskey: The One I Worship (http://www.best.com/~thaivo)
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From: "karen mcquillen" <kmcquillen@ets.org>
Subject: HC Previews
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 7:50:01 EDT
Does anyone know which Mirimax videos contain a preview of HC? I do not know
the answer to this question, but I'm quite certain someone on this list will
have the answer(s)!
Karen
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From: Michael Pellas <mpellas@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: limp and soundtrack
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:50:29 -0400
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If anyone has a chance, pick up the S&S audio book. It's extremely
entertaining to hear Kate do other character voices.. I wonder if the
tapes were made after the movie though, since her reading of some of the
characters sound suspiciously similar to the movie's actors. It's also
incredible to have a 3 hour long recording of Kate's voice!
>Interesting...Im going to have to keep an eye out for it... I thoroughly
enjoyed the movie myself. Kate had me mesmerized the whole way through.
You should've seen the reaction I got when I became elated after finally
renting the movie. I had all my friends rather annoyed...
The film was beautifully filmed, and I didn't come into it with the
knowledge that Kate was in it.. I suppose the film couldn't make a mistake
after that realization in my mind.. This film was bright, fast, funny,
and thoughtful. I had hoped that it would win best picture, even though
I hadn't seen any of the other nominies.
>I was pleasantly surprised... Is it just me...or were there some faint
similarities between the two movies? (S&S and HC) Even one of my friends,
who is not a HC fanatic, commented on some ideas. What does everyone think
on that? Again, please accept my apologies if it has been discussed before...
Yours,
Michael
"If I die today I'll be the happy phantom,
and I'll go chasing the nuns out in the yard..."
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From: tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk (Tine Nielsen)
Subject: Screenplay info PLEASE!!!!!
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:08:51 +0200
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Hi again,
I have been seeking the screenplay everywhere, can somebody tell me who has
published it ??
Thanx for all the answers to my other questions btw. This might be really
ignorant but when is Kate's bday anyhow ?
And another thing, is the New Zealandish version of HC available anywhere
outside of New Zealand ?
HC got quiet great reviews here btw, it was showing at all the art cinemas
in Copenhagen as kind of an introduction to the actrice Kate Winslet, who
(as they very formally said on TV) would also be seen in the (by that time)
forthcoming movie 'Sense and Sensibility'.
Ciao,
Tine Nielsen, Denmark. email:tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk
***************************************************
I haven't lost what I can find in you baby
DGIF no. #11 521.
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: Re: Screenplay info PLEASE!!!!!
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:08:10 +0930
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I *think* you are after Scenario (Journal of Screenwriting) Vol 1 No. 4.
May I never get to the Fourth World if I have remebered this incorrectly! All
the ordering info is on Heavenly Web (i'm assuming it's all still there!)
I don't want to comment on when Kate's b'day is - I might get my head bitten
off...
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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001 - trustno1@ra.isisnet.com ( - HC
002 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Re: limp and soundtrack
003 - RICHARD MUNDIE <rmundie@e - HI EVERYBODY
004 - "P.G. West" <PGW16@hermes - HC & SS
005 - yyancey1@ic3.ithaca.edu - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n116
006 - tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk (Ti - Sense & Sensibility
007 - Michael Pellas <mpellas@s - Re: Sense & Sensibility
008 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: HI EVERYBODY
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From: trustno1@ra.isisnet.com (Gina)
Subject: HC
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:10:47 -0300 (ADT)
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hello fellow listers,
i see we have some tori fans as well here. its nice to talk to people who
have taste :) does anyone on the list have a copy of the NZ version of HC, i
know its illigal for some dumb reason but if u can send a copy , ill foot
the bail bill
**hehehe** i REALLY,REALLY,REALLY want it.
Later,
*Gina*
___________
\ / "Be Strong, Speak True, Spread the Peace."
\ Pride /
\ / ~mle
\ /
\ /
*
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From: Michael Pellas <mpellas@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: limp and soundtrack
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:05:10 -0400
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Thaiphong Vo: Were you able to make that call? As soon as you find out if
they have it...I'll get the money order in the mail..
Mike
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From: RICHARD MUNDIE <rmundie@es.co.nz>
Subject: HI EVERYBODY
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 17:04 GMT+1200
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I first saw Heavenly Creatures about a year ago,and it blew me away. I was
an instant convert!
Let me do an intro:-
My name's Greer Mundie, and I'm a 14 year old girl from Dunein New Zealand
(about 4 hours drive south of Christchurch). The first time I saw HC was
when my parents got it out on video approximately this time last year. I
didn't really want to see it, I just wandered in and sat down. At the end,
my parents were going "Hmmmm" as if they didn't like it, but I was just
collaped in my chair, exhausted by the final scene(and in fact the whole
movie)...and from then on,I was obsessed!
I didn't see HC again until about 6 months ago, when I got a friend over,
sat her down on a chair and made her watch it, saying "You will love this
movie, I swear, you really will". But she wasn't that impressed.....
The reason I've joined this group is so I can finally find some intelligent
conversation about my favourite movie....I've tried talking to everyone I
know about it, but to no avail. They all think it's too weird. My
grandmother said that she remembered when it happened (she had just moved
from Christchurch) and how shocking it was, and that moviemakers shouldn't
dredge up the past. EVERYONE in my class at school either hasn't seen it or
didn't like it, and either way they're all sick of hearing about it. My
parents didn't like it, none of my friends think it's that great, and I was
beginning to despair until a month ago when I found Bryan's page. I was
like,Woohoo![he is] so brilliantly clever!
Anyway, at the end of all this rambling, I have a serious question. What is
it that you all seem to find so great about the NZ accent? Because I have
one, and don't notice it, I really don't understand....Americans in general
seem to find it very appealing(thinking of Anna Paquin's acceptance
speech(or gasp) at the Oscars a few years ago).
Anyway,it's nice to be here!
GREER
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From: "P.G. West" <PGW16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: HC & SS
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Michael wrote:
> Is it just me...or were there some faint
> similarities between the two movies? (S&S and HC) Even one of my friends,
> who is not a HC fanatic, commented on some ideas. What does everyone think
> on that?
Well, there IS all that hilltop frolicking.
Yours ever
Phil
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Hi all! I'm new to this, so please bear w/ me! I just subscribed yesterday.
I'm so happy to see that there are so many people out there as crazy
about H.C. as I am. BTW, my favorite scenes are when Juliet touches
Paul's scar during PE, "All the best people have bad chests and bone
diseases," and when they're running from, "The most hideous man alive," after
they see 'The Third Man'.
they see the 'The Third Man'.
If anyone on this list goes to Ithaca College, e-mail me:
yyancey@ic3.ithaca.edu
Just one of the many devotees,
Yani
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From: tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk (Tine Nielsen)
Subject: Sense & Sensibility
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:40:01 +0200
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Hi all,
Yeah Sense and Sensibility is one of my top movie favourites ever up there
with Heavenly Creatures.
I'm actually kind of shy to admit I've been at the movies to see it (S&S)
six times already. It's got some magic that's undescribable. I mean from the
first picture on the screen to the last I was completely caught by it. Kate
is soooooo great in that role it's like it was made for her, and Emma
Thompson, who is also one of my favourite actors is great in it too.
One of the best scenes in the movie is where Marianne (Winslet) goes out on
the hill to watch Willoughby's castle in the rain, and she quotes the
Shakespeare sonett,
" Love is not love which alters when it alteration finds, or bends with the
remover to remove, oh not it is an ever fixed mark....."
Ok let's face it I like melodramatic moments, can't help it *giggle*. Also
Elinor's crying scene is great!
I read one journalist describe the movie as visiting old friends you never
wanna quit, well that's the way I feel about that movie. If you are really
hooked on the movie, a great book to read is Emma Thompson's Screenplay and
diary, there are some great photos from the movie in as well.
And I wanna see all Kate's movies too, Jude is soon to be released here I hope.
Oh and I stumpled over a quote from HC in an Empire magazine from January
under an article called soundbites:
----quote start------------
"Go on mom, treat yourself"
Heavenly Creatures' Melanie lynsky offers mumsy the last cake on the plate
prior to pulping her brains out with a sockful of bricks.
----quote end--------------
After I read it I came to think, man that's one mean line *giggle*.
And one last thing, I found Kate Winslet's address (fan address) in a French
movie magazine:
Kate Winslet
c/o 151 El Camino Dr.
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
USA
Ciao,
Tine Nielsen, Denmark. email:tinen@dorit.ihi.ku.dk
***************************************************
I haven't lost what I can find in you baby
DGIF no. #11 521.
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From: Michael Pellas <mpellas@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: Sense & Sensibility
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:29:34 -0400
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Emma Thompson, who is also one of my favourite actors is great in it too.
One of the best scenes in the movie is where Marianne (Winslet) goes out on
the hill to watch Willoughby's castle in the rain, and she quotes the
Shakespeare sonett, " Love is not love which alters when it alteration
finds, or bends with the remover to remove, oh not it is an ever fixed
mark....."
>I totally agree with you on both details... I was watching it over the
weekend and was transfixed by that scene too...the whole desperate love
thing I guess...<sigh>
Yours,
Mike
"Excuse me, but can i be you for a while?"
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: HI EVERYBODY
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:05:04 -0700
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Welcome to the list, Greer...
> I first saw Heavenly Creatures about a year ago,and it blew me away.
> I was an instant convert!
Everyone on the list seems to have some kind of 'Heavenly Creatures
rocked my world!' 'Heavenly Creatures kicked my ass!' (excuse my French)
or me 'Oh, I want to roll in the leaves with Kate Winslet' sort of an
affect...
> Let me do an intro:-
While I think you're the youngest creature we have, a great age to be
watching 'Heavenly Creatures'? Like Bryan Woodworth, you two seems to
have just sat down and watch this movie just for the hell of it (oh my,
pardon my language)! I saw 'Heavenly Creatures' in film class when it
was in transition from the box-office to home video. My classmates
didn't like it either, well except for the girl who sat behind me
*giggling* and gasping on some of her giggles, seems to have liked it.
I think everyone, one time or another, have tried showing HC to others
only to find out that others don't react to the movie the same way they
do. This is commonly known as the 'heavenly whatevers' complex. Don't
ask.
> Anyway, at the end of all this rambling, I have a serious question.
> What is it that you all seem to find so great about the NZ accent?
I don't know, but I think Melanie's is fentestuc!? very delightful.
> Anyway,it's nice to be here!
>
> GREER
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"We saw a gateway through the clouds." -lybao@earthlink.net
"Everything was full of peace and bliss."
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