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001 - Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.o - Frighteners
002 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: Frighteners
003 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: Heavenly MUSH
004 - Bryan Woodworth <bryanw@6 - Future submissions!
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From: Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.oac.uci.edu>
Subject: Frighteners
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Someone sent me this message. : ) I hope it's true!
Watch closely ...for Melanie is in a small cameo in Frighteners. She
plays a cop....real brief...so look closely!
-Thai
----------------------------
"New Year's Resolution...Is a far more selfish one this year..
It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
Melanie Lynskey: The One I Worship (http://www.best.com/~thaivo)
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Frighteners
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:58:08 -0400 (EDT)
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On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Thaiphong Vo wrote:
> Someone sent me this message. : ) I hope it's true!
>
> Watch closely ...for Melanie is in a small cameo in Frighteners. She
> plays a cop....real brief...so look closely!
That will be VERY gratifying to see, if it's true. And it oughta be.
After all, they did film in NZ. J&W would be very remiss if they didn't
give Ms. Lynskey a call.
It'll be great to see her in something, even if it's only for a
moment. I wonder if she'll have to take a crack at an American
accent (assuming she has any lines). Talent of this
magnitude cannot be allowed to languish. Every time I see HC I'm
struck by the amazing emotional immediacy the girl projects. Quite
astounding. It never feels like acting, even when it's willfully over
the top.
A cop? A criminal in one film, a cop in the next. Like casting
Steve Buscemi as a waiter in 'Pulp Fiction,' after his 'No
tipping' routine in 'Reservoir Dogs.'
(Well, I finally thought of something to post, even though it wasn't
particularly original, thought provoking, or enlightening. Melanie
Lynskey gave a great performance? Really??!
Of course I'm hoping/assuming that the mail flow will pick up this
Friday. A pretty safe bet.
Anyone know the foreign release dates? We'll have to keep watch for
spoilers in posts.)
--Jefferson
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Heavenly MUSH
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sat, 13 Jul 1996, mailcall wrote:
> i want to go on adding to the mush environment. i am doing borovnia
> and port levy next.
I was wondering if you had any kind of form message on exactly what MUSH
is and how one participates. If so, could you send it along. I confess
my ignorance (or forgetfulness, if this was explained before and I just
can't remember).
--Jefferson
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From: Bryan Woodworth <bryanw@666.org>
Subject: Future submissions!
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi,
Just a quick note --
I am finding myself lacking lots of free time for maintaining
the site. I apologize for this!
If you do find the kindness in your heart to submit something for
inclusion to HeavenlyWeb (Thank you!), please follow this guideline:
o Any text should be ASCII text -- no MIME, please. (MIME text tends
to have little "=" after each line; tedious to 'clean up')
Thanks!
b
--
"'Tis indeed a miracle, one must feel, bryan woodworth
that two such heavenly creatures are real." bryanw@borovnia.666.org
-- "Heavenly Creatures," 1994 PGP Public Key obtainable
http://www.reflection.org/heavenly/ via finger: bryanw@best.com
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-------------- BEGIN heavenly-c.v001.n068 --------------
001 - Bryan Woodworth <bryanw@6 - Is Melanie in 'Frighteners'?!
002 - mailcall <mailcall@kiva.n - heavenly mush
003 - GorillaBlu@aol.com - Daughters of Heaven
004 - "Chris Black" <qleap@inte - Re: Heavenly MUSH
005 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Is Melanie in 'Frighteners'?!
006 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - HC Website is Complete!
007 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Mush?
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From: Bryan Woodworth <bryanw@666.org>
Subject: Is Melanie in 'Frighteners'?!
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
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Per the earlier email.. if Melanie is in 'Frighteners' I will now
have to see this in the theatre! Don't think I could wait..
Even if it is just a cameo.. well worth it..
I hope this turns out to be true!
laters,
b
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"'Tis indeed a miracle, one must feel, bryan woodworth
that two such heavenly creatures are real." bryanw@borovnia.666.org
-- "Heavenly Creatures," 1994 PGP Public Key obtainable
http://www.reflection.org/heavenly/ via finger: bryanw@best.com
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From: mailcall <mailcall@kiva.net>
Subject: heavenly mush
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:05:31 -0500 (EST)
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i am sending this to the list in general just in case anyone else
didn't see where it is on heavenly web.
in heavenly web, go to "new stuff" and select the link that says:
Melanthe's MUSH (Multi-User Shared Hallucination) for HC has been
updated! Check it out.
there is also a link to the mush information via the "media centre".
it is way down toward the bottom, where there are links to some
reviews and interviews that bao ly and i provided.
**--==--** we created it -- let's take it over! **--==--**
**--==--** melanthe alexian **--==--**
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From: GorillaBlu@aol.com
Subject: Daughters of Heaven
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:12:47 -0400
Hi all. I have been trying to get my hands of a copy of the
play mentioned in the FAQ, "Daughters of Heaven". Has
anyone been successful? HOW? Any tips would be
great! Thanks!
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From: "Chris Black" <qleap@interl.net>
Subject: Re: Heavenly MUSH
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:33:53 +0000
>
> I was wondering if you had any kind of form message on exactly what MUSH
> is and how one participates. If so, could you send it along. I confess
> my ignorance (or forgetfulness, if this was explained before and I just
> can't remember).
>
A MUSH is a Multi-User Shared Hallucination. It's kind of like a MUD
(Multi-User Dungeon) except emphasis is placed on characters instead
of running around killing everything. There a basic commands in a
MUSH, such as to say something you type say and then your message,
you type look and whatever you want to look at, and stuff like that,
there's dozens of other commands, but I think you get the idea.
As for participating I'm assuming this MUSH has you to create a
character to play in the MUSH, and it should have instructions on how
to do that once you connect. :-)
--Chris
NP: "Rocket Boy" --Liz Phair
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Is Melanie in 'Frighteners'?!
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:29:41 -0600
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I got this little tidbit from a rather reliable source (a filmmaker in =
NZ whose girlfriend was the assistant costume designer on the film):
>>Oh, but that reminds me...I heard a rumour that Mel Lynskey appears in =
a
>>cameo as a cop...is there any truth to this?=20
>Yeah she is in it - not sure if it's as a cop. Peter is also in it [as =
a
>punk]. Mel is actually not doing much - she's at University studying
>literature I think.=20
Regards,
michaela
ps--did someone credit me on their web page for contributing the release =
date for 'The Frighteners'? I've been getting some interesting mail... =
Thanks
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From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
Subject: HC Website is Complete!
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 02:16:46 -0800
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On the eve of "The Frighteners" being unleashed at last, there's a
celebration going on at the Heavenly Creatures Website. It's time to set
off the sparklers, blow the Borovnian trumpets, pour the champagne (or
non-alcoholic cider) and crank up the Mario Lanza, because...
the Heavenly Creatures Website is finally complete!!!
That's right, the humongous Section 7, "The Real People and Events", has
been installed. And with that, the FAQ is completely on-line.
Here's just some of what awaits you...
* A complete timeline of all events!
* Exhaustive quotes from the diaries, fiction, and poetry!
* Trial testimony summaries!
* Contemporary and recent press articles!
* Extensive extacts from the writings of Dr.R. W. Medlicott, psychologist
who testified prominently at P&J's trial!
* Detailed bio and "Who's Who" entries for Dr. Hulme!
* A history of the University of Canterbury, featuring tantalizing nuggets
of intriguing info!
* Overview of the Glamuzina and Laurie book, including errors (!) therein!
* Bios, interviews, and bibliography of Anne Perry!
What's more, ALL of the hundreds of references to other sections (i.e. "see
a detailed discussion of this scene in 6.14.2.1") have been activated as
hotlinks... one click and there you are! Now it's so easy to navigate
around, you might never get out! (mmm, those hot links are great with some
dijon mustard...)
And as an extra-special treat, I've added a new sound clip - Pauline
saying, "We are so brilliantly clever!"
So, as Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh's _next_ film prepares to hit the
screen, the ultimate archive of info on their masterwork, "Heavenly
Creatures", finally reaches completion.
Read up, because there _will_ be a test... the "Heavenly Creatures Quiz" is
coming soon! Test (and score) your knowledge of the film and FAQ!
Thanks to everyone for their support and kind words over the past months -
it's been very encouraging and gratifying to me. Enjoy the new material...
"It's for you!"
-Adam
==========================================================================
Only the best people fight against Adam Abrams
all obstacles... in pursuit of happiness! Vancouver, BC, Canada
--Juliet Hulme, "Heavenly Creatures"
Visit the "Fourth World" at http://www.helix.net/~adamabr/creatures.html
==========================================================================
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: Mush?
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 02:57:58 +0930
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Hi all -
I'd just like to say, in response to
> I was wondering if you had any kind of form message on exactly what MUSH
> is and how one participates. If so, could you send it along. I confess
> my ignorance (or forgetfulness, if this was explained before and I just
> can't remember).
> --Jefferson
that (a) I too have no idea what MUSH is
(b) I too am terribly intrigued, and
(c) I too am either ignorant or was dozing when the explanation was
posted.
What is it? Please, reveal all. I absolutely *have* to know. I must have
MUSH! I cannot live without MUSH (whatever it is)!!!!
Shannon. <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
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001 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Re: Daughters of Heaven
002 - Jane <misc1341@cantva.can - Re: Melanie in The Frighteners
003 - kate ann jacobson <kjac@u - Re: Melanie in The Frighteners
004 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Melanie in The Frighteners
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: Re: Daughters of Heaven
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 05:27:21 +0930
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Dear Gorilla Blue -
You should be able to order DOH at a *good* bookstore. That's how I got
mine. And don't let them tell you it's out of print - they're lying. It
has to come from NZ, and it might take a while, but it is certainly
available.
Shannon. <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
ps - It's great to see that so many people are still using this list. Has
everyone just returned from holidays or something?
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From: Jane <misc1341@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: Melanie in The Frighteners
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:04:11 +1300
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Mel Lynskey does make a cameo appearance as a cop in The Frighteners
- she told me, so it must be true!
Jane
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From: kate ann jacobson <kjac@unm.edu>
Subject: Re: Melanie in The Frighteners
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:04:50 -0600 (MDT)
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> Mel Lynskey does make a cameo appearance as a cop in The Frighteners
> - she told me, so it must be true!
WHAT? You've MET Melanie Lynskey!!!!! When, where, and what was she
like??????!!!!!!!!!!
- kate
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Melanie in The Frighteners
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:55:01 -0600
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Jane sez:
Mel Lynskey does make a cameo appearance as a cop in The Frighteners
- she told me, so it must be true!
sheesh...ok,ok...!
from the mouth of the melanie herself...
-michaela
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001 - GorillaBlu@aol.com - Re: Mel in Frighteners
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From: GorillaBlu@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mel in Frighteners
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:48:28 -0400
In a message dated 96-07-18 16:09:03 EDT, you write:
>Mel Lynskey does make a cameo appearance as a cop in The Frighteners
>- she told me, so it must be true!
>
>
>Jane
Dying to hear the details!!!
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001 - Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com - The Frighteners
002 - magic <magic@cybrtyme.com - Re: The Frighteners
003 - edinman@felix.TECLink.Net - Re: Melanie in The Frighteners
004 - edinman@felix.TECLink.Net - Re: Melanie in The Frighteners
005 - Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com - Re: The Frighteners
006 - Steven Fammatre <rotwiler - Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
007 - Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.o - Re: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
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From: Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com>
Subject: The Frighteners
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:13:02 +0000 (GMT)
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Well, it's opening day and I recieved this film with the other 7
people in the theater. I didn't think there'd be too many people there.
Personally, I thought the film was really good. It is really not anything
like Heavenly Creatures. I can't compare it to Jackson's other films as I
have not seen them (although I plan to). In several spots the direction
was very similar to Heavenly Creatures, but the plot was pretty different.
It was a sort of comedy-horror which was funny in many places but not
really ever too scary, kind of like Army of Darkness or its predecessor.
Like Heavenly Creatures, it created a sort of expressionistic world which
would be much like this one only subtly warped in places.
The story, as I will relate in an unspoiling fashion, is about a
guy named Frank, who is played by Michael J. Fox, who is a sort of
charlatan exorcist. Frank has the ability to converse with the spirits
(sounds like an Oingo Boingo song, huh?), as well as see and interact with
them. A number of unexplained deaths begin happening in the town and all
fingers point at Frank, because he tends to be around when they happen.
Actually, the people are being killed by a shrouded ghost only visible to
Frank. After figuring that there is no other way to take care of it, Frank
decides to battle the ghost himself with his ghost friends.
_______________________________________________
| |
| Tim Baglio http://www.nas.com/~raven/ |
| raven@nas.com Bellingham, WA |
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From: magic <magic@cybrtyme.com>
Subject: Re: The Frighteners
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:53:44 -0700
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Tim Baglio wrote:
>
> Well, it's opening day and I recieved this film with the other 7
> people in the theater. I didn't think there'd be too many people there.
> Personally, I thought the film was really good. It is really not anything
> like Heavenly Creatures. I can't compare it to Jackson's other films as I
> have not seen them (although I plan to). In several spots the direction
> was very similar to Heavenly Creatures, but the plot was pretty different.
> It was a sort of comedy-horror which was funny in many places but not
> really ever too scary, kind of like Army of Darkness or its predecessor.
> Like Heavenly Creatures, it created a sort of expressionistic world which
> would be much like this one only subtly warped in places.
> The story, as I will relate in an unspoiling fashion, is about a
> guy named Frank, who is played by Michael J. Fox, who is a sort of
> charlatan exorcist. Frank has the ability to converse with the spirits
> (sounds like an Oingo Boingo song, huh?), as well as see and interact with
> them. A number of unexplained deaths begin happening in the town and all
> fingers point at Frank, because he tends to be around when they happen.
> Actually, the people are being killed by a shrouded ghost only visible to
> Frank. After figuring that there is no other way to take care of it, Frank
> decides to battle the ghost himself with his ghost friends.
> _______________________________________________
> | |
> | Tim Baglio http://www.nas.com/~raven/ |
> | raven@nas.com Bellingham, WA |
> |_______________________________________________|
They said Melanie Lynskey was in it...she played a cop...did you spot
her? If so, how was she?
--
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From: edinman@felix.TECLink.Net (edinman)
Subject: Re: Melanie in The Frighteners
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 22:36:59 -0500
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The Frighteners opened today in my city so I was there. Melanie is in two
very brief scenes (blink and you'll miss her).
The only way to get a closer look would be to bribe your local
projectionist to snip a frame and splice the movie back together.
You can then view the picture of Melanie to your heart's content in a slide
projector.
Trini and Michael were pretty good. (I'm still amused by Trini singing "I'm
a Damn Dog Now" in the absurd movie Times Square.) The movie had stunning
visual effects and the digital sound track was well done. Effects alone
won't make this movie fly, however--I was more interested in seeing a movie
with a real story than just a freak show.
Well, I'm no professional movie reviewer, but unlike HC this movie isn't
one I'm likely to remember tomorrow. --Ed
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Subject: Re: Melanie in The Frighteners
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:05:44 -0500
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Whoops--my memory failed me. In my last post I said Trini (Alvarado) sang
"Damn Dog" in Times Square. Actually after much deep thought I realize that
was a solo effort by Robin Johnson. The song that Trini and Robin sang
together was "Your Daughter Is One." Hope if either Melanie or Trini reads
this they don't think I'm TOO stupid.--Ed
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From: Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com>
Subject: Re: The Frighteners
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> They said Melanie Lynskey was in it...she played a cop...did you spot
> her? If so, how was she?
Yes, she was in it. She makes two brief appearances, both silent. In one,
she is leading Doctor Lynskey (hmm.. wonder where that name came from)
around in the police station, right after Michael J. Fox gets arrested.
That scene is only about 2 seconds long at most. There is a scene a bit
later where she is still in the police station sitting with Melanie's
character. It is about 6 or 7 seconds long, and Melanie looks around and
maybe stands up. I forget. Her hair is pulled back under a police hat and
she is wearing lipstick and maybe some blush. She looks different and a
little more stoic than she did in Heavenly Creatures. That's it for my
short explanation.
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From: Steven Fammatre <rotwiler@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:56:40 -0700
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Yup, saw the Frighteners, loved it (a return to semi-horror for PJ). HC
is still his best. Also saw a revival screening of Braindead after
Frighteners, so it was a delightfully evil night indeed. Noticed Mel in
background as a cop without a advance notice, all by myself (I'm so
proud of myself!) Jeffrey Combs (Herbert West, Re-Animator) is also
Great.
To my suprise and delight, I also read recently that Kate Winslet is in
James Cameron's upcoming "Titanic" and has several upcoming roles, one
of which, according to the current (Denzel Washington cover) issue of
Entertainment Weekly, she will appear completely nude in. Now, as an
18-year old guy, this makes me happy. Very happy. But maybe the
mystery/mystique factor a la HC is a better way to go.
Steven Fammatre
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From: Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.oac.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
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>Yup, saw the Frighteners, loved it (a return to semi-horror for PJ). HC
>is still his best. Also saw a revival screening of Braindead after
Yep! There's no question HC is the superior movie, but Frighteners is
greatly entertaining. : ) I enjoyed the over mood of the film, and the
chaotic finale was extremely exciting!
>To my suprise and delight, I also read recently that Kate Winslet is in
>James Cameron's upcoming "Titanic" and has several upcoming >roles, one
Yes, and King Kong too!
>of which, according to the current (Denzel Washington cover) issue of
>Entertainment Weekly, she will appear completely nude in. Now, as an
>18-year old guy, this makes me happy. Very happy. But maybe the
>mystery/mystique factor a la HC is a better way to go.
: ) That's Jude the Obscure (or as Bao Ly has informed me) just plain
"Jude" I'm just happy that she's in all these great movies! I hope I can
say the same thing about Melanie in a few years.. : )
-Thai
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It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
Melanie Lynskey: The One I Worship (http://www.best.com/~thaivo)
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001 - John Argentiero <jargent@ - HC Reference in Frightners & more
002 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
003 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n071
004 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - A "Frighteners" surprise (half-spoiler)
005 - Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com - Re: HC Reference in Frightners & more
006 - Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n071
007 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Peter Jackson: Web Chat
008 - Jane <misc1341@cantva.can - Re: Mel in The Frighteners
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From: John Argentiero <jargent@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: HC Reference in Frightners & more
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:18:54 -0400 (EDT)
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Yo! This isn't really a spoiler or anything, so feel free to read
on...
To start with, saw the Frighteners today, and much muchly enjoyed it,
actually made me go out and rent Dead Alive (which I'll start in a
minute)
Anyway, thought I'd mention yet another thing for us anal types to
look for...
About, say, 20 minutes in the movie, out main heroine (who looks
hauntingly like Julia Louis-Dreyfuss) is chilling in her house
watching a videotape, a little documentary on serial killers,
profiling one of the people she's seeing (as a doctor). If you look
carefully at the tape case, you'll see that it's in fact a double
feature and that the first case profiled is the Parker-Hulme case,
with, I believe, the photo recreation of Kate and Mel looking evil
outside of the courthouse (this is online somewhere, I'm not sure if
Bryan
or Adam has it), but it may have been the original, it's not onscreen
long enough to really tell, and its a video box in the corner of a
screen...But, keep your eye out, tis fun... :)
Also, I THINK Peter Jackson had a little cameo as a really fucked-up
looking punk, with a whole bunch of lip piercings and such, but
again, he's only onscreen for about a dozen frames or so...
Among other cool "semi celebs" are the Principal from Twin Peaks (who
was really only in the pilot, but hey, its Twin Peaks! :) , who
plays the Sheriff, and Jeffery Combs, the Reanimator dude (which I
was also inspired to rent again...)
As for Mel, well it's hard to say much, her role consisted of walking
and sitting and looking sullen, combined screen time approx 8
seconds...But, hey, she rocks nonetheless, and tis weird to
constantly hear "Dr. Lynskey" (the main heroine's name)
Well, if anyone can comfirm or deny any of the above observations,
let me know! Thanks much!
The John
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
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Steve said:
To my suprise and delight, I also read recently that Kate Winslet is in
James Cameron's upcoming "Titanic" and has several upcoming roles, one
of which, according to the current (Denzel Washington cover) issue of
Entertainment Weekly, she will appear completely nude in. Now, as an
18-year old guy, this makes me happy. Very happy. But maybe the
mystery/mystique factor a la HC is a better way to go.
Uh, yeah...John and I have had several articles on our respective Kate =
pages for a while about this... (: And, for the record, I won't have =
any nude pics of Kate on my page (sorry if that bursts your bubble for =
wanting a permenant record of the event on your hard drive, Steven.... =
(: ). I myself am not particularly looking forward to seeing her =
nude...I hope its an equal opportunity love scene--the guy better be as =
much in the buff as she, or I'll be really unimpressed.
laters!
-michaela
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heavenly-c-errors@lists.best.com:
> From: Steven Fammatre <rotwiler@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:56:40 -0700
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>
> Yup, saw the Frighteners, loved it (a return to semi-horror for PJ). HC
> is still his best. Also saw a revival screening of Braindead after
> Frighteners, so it was a delightfully evil night indeed. Noticed Mel in
> background as a cop without a advance notice, all by myself (I'm so
> proud of myself!) Jeffrey Combs (Herbert West, Re-Animator) is also
> Great.
I think Jeffrey Combs "Re-Animator" was one of my favorite character
(Melanie being the other); his character, FBI Agent Dammers, got the
coolest haircut (I'm being sarcastic)! Did anyone understand what
happened in the cemetery scene when he arrested or kidnapped Dr. Lynskey
from the laboratory and went totally, satanically M-A-D!!!?
> To my suprise and delight, I also read recently that Kate Winslet is in
> James Cameron's upcoming "Titanic" and has several upcoming roles, one
> of which, according to the current (Denzel Washington cover) issue of
> Entertainment Weekly, she will appear completely nude in. Now, as an
> 18-year old guy, this makes me happy. Very happy. But maybe the
> mystery/mystique factor a la HC is a better way to go.
Kate Winslet's next movie is titled, "Jude," an adaptation of the Thomas
Hardy novel Jude The Obscure. And I'm quoting here: "Winslet, a radiant
beauty, plays Sue Brideshead, Jude's lifelong obsessive love. She is
seen in a dramatic sexual encounter with co-star Christopher Eccleston
in which she offers full frontal nudity to the camera," unquote.
Kate Winslet also goes nude, though more discreetly, as Ophelia in
Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet. No word on whether Winslet will bare all again
in her next movie, Titanic. No words yet if Kate will actually be in
King Kong...there is no cast, because it's not even in production yet.
Come on everybody, get happy!
Forget your troubles and just get happy
You gotta pack all your cares away
Sing hallelujah, come on get happy
Get ready for the Judgment Day
The sun is shining, come on get happy
The lord is with you to take your hand
Sing hallelujah, come on get happy
We're going to the promise land..
We're heading across the river
That washes away the wailing tides
It's all so peaceful on the other side
(Come' on everyone, sing along!)
Sing hallelujah, come on get happy!
Sing hallelujah, come on get happy!
Sing hallelujah, come on get happy!!!
:)
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Subject: A "Frighteners" surprise (half-spoiler)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:06:42 -0800
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Everyone should be on the lookout for the _other_ surprise tidbit in the
movie, the brief appearance of a photo of Kate & Mel as P&J. Very brief,
but jumps out like a bolt of lightning to any HC fan!
To maintain some surprise factor, I won't tell where you'll see them. You
won't miss it though, just keep your eyes open...
Adam
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> hauntingly like Julia Louis-Dreyfuss) is chilling in her house
I think she looks like a cross between Julia Louis-Dryfuss and Andie
MacDowell.... I probably spelled both those names wrong.
> carefully at the tape case, you'll see that it's in fact a double
I noticed that....
> Also, I THINK Peter Jackson had a little cameo as a really fucked-up
> looking punk, with a whole bunch of lip piercings and such, but
He must have been the guy wearing the reaper shirt that Michael J. Fox
bumps into right before he has his conversation with Dr. Lynskey's
deceased husband.
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> (Melanie being the other); his character, FBI Agent Dammers, got the
> coolest haircut (I'm being sarcastic)! Did anyone understand what
> happened in the cemetery scene when he arrested or kidnapped Dr. Lynskey
> from the laboratory and went totally, satanically M-A-D!!!?
He looked kind of like Hitler with that haircut. His body is a roadmap of
pain. He can move the car all by himself!
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Peter Jackson: Web Chat
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Hi everyone:
There is a Peter Jackson: Web Chat transcript at Universal Pictures site
re The Frighteners (and Heavenly Creatures too)! There's a great story
about the casting Michael J. Fox during the Toronto Film Festival which
Heavenly Creatures was premiering at the time. Peter said, " We sneaked
him [Fox] into the back row of the theater when the lights went down. No
one knew he was there. He had read The Frighteners script and directly
following the Heavenly Creatures screening he signed on board." [!]
Peter also said that Heavenly Creatures was fascinating to make and he'd
love to do another "true life" movie again sometimes.
"Always ten steps behind, lybao@earthlink.net
Always ten feet below." -Stephen Sondheim.
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Universal Pictures' "The Frighteners" Webchat
Featuring Peter Jackson
June 21, 1996 9:00 PM EST
Hello and welcome to the webchat with Peter Jackson. Director/
Co-Writer/ Co-Producer received widespread acclaim for his 1994 feature
Heavenly Creatures, which was awarded a Silver Lion at the Venice Film
Festival and an Academy Award nomination for Best Screenplay. Written by
Jackson and his collaborator Frances Walsh, the film is based on an
infamous New Zealand murder of the 1950s, and the story of two
intelligent and imaginative young firls whose obsessive friendship leads
them to murder one of their mothers.
[Go check it out now...]
http://www.mca.com/universal_pictures/TheFrighteners/fritechat.html
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From: Jane <misc1341@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: Mel in The Frighteners
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:43:10 +1300
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Hi,
A couple of people have asked how come I said that Mel had told me
herself about her cameo in The Frighteners. I met Mel last year when
she came down to Christchurch to talk with me about how she went
about 'constructing' Pauline in HC. The interviews we had will form the
basis of a couple of academic (boring, I know:-) articles I am working
on. Just occasionally living in such a relatively small population
comes in handy!
Jane
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001 - Bryan Woodworth <bryanw@6 - No spoilers please! ("Frighteners")
002 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n072
003 - GorillaBlu@aol.com - Premiere Mag
004 - GorillaBlu@aol.com - Re: Premiere Mag
005 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - The Frighteners opening weekend
006 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - John's observations and other stuff (SPOILERS)
007 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: No spoilers please! ("Frighteners")
008 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - M.J. Fox talks about filming 'The Frighteners'
009 - kate ann jacobson <kjac@u - Re: John's observations and other stuff
010 - MrS1fDstrc@aol.com - Jackson's Frighteners
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From: Bryan Woodworth <bryanw@666.org>
Subject: No spoilers please! ("Frighteners")
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:04:34 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi,
While no one has given anything away yet, I just wish to remind..
Please do not spoil the movie for those lamers (e.g., MOI) who have
not yet seen it (yet). Thanks!
I have enjoyed immensely what I have seen thus far. The local paper
only gave it 2.5 stars, but who cares? I still need to see it! I
don't usually see a movie based on reviews.. however, it would have
been a bit sweet to see the local paper praising it, ya know?
see ya,
b
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From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
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John Argentiero <jargent@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>the photo recreation of Kate and Mel looking evil
>outside of the courthouse (this is online somewhere, I'm not sure if
>Bryan
>or Adam has it), but it may have been the original, it's not onscreen
>long enough to really tell, and its a video box in the corner of a
>screen...But, keep your eye out, tis fun... :)
It's Kate & Melanie's re-creation of the original press photo of Parker &
Hulme, and you can indeed find it on my page (along with the original photo
they were re-creating).
Heavenly Pix section, fourth one down!
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From: GorillaBlu@aol.com
Subject: Premiere Mag
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:23:24 -0400
Nice article about Peter J. in the new Premiere Mag (John
Travolta is on the cover). Peter is even mentioned on the
cover as "The Twisted Lind Behind 'The Frighteners'". The
article has a few quotes from Kate and a small picture of
Peter directing Kate. Look at me, I'm on a first-name
basis already!
Jenna
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From: GorillaBlu@aol.com
Subject: Re: Premiere Mag
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:24:45 -0400
I'm an idiot. Thinking two things at once. The cover of Premiere
reads (regarding Peter Jackson): The Twisted Genius Behind 'The
Frighteners'". Whoops!
Jenna
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: The Frighteners opening weekend
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:30:43 -0600
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The Frighteners landed the number 5 spot in box office figures this =
weekend. The top four films above it were, in order, Independence Day, =
Phenomenon, Courage Under Fire, and The Nutty Professor. There is no =
word yet on the final box office figures for these films.
-michaela
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: John's observations and other stuff (SPOILERS)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:50:09 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, John Argentiero wrote:
> If you look carefully at the tape case, you'll see that it's in fact a
double
> feature and that the first case profiled is the Parker-Hulme case,
> with, I believe, the photo recreation of Kate and Mel looking evil
> outside of the courthouse
You've got a sharp eye. I'm pretty sure that was indeed them.
> Also, I THINK Peter Jackson had a little cameo as a really fucked-up
> looking punk, with a whole bunch of lip piercings and such, but
> again, he's only onscreen for about a dozen frames or so...
Yup. That's been confirmed too.
> Jeffery Combs, the Reanimator dude (which I
> was also inspired to rent again...)
Another classic.
> As for Mel, well it's hard to say much, her role consisted of walking
> and sitting and looking sullen, combined screen time approx 8
> seconds...
I only spotted her in one shot, when she and another cop are sitting at a
desk and they both turn around. Was she in any other shots?
Overall, I liked the film. It's no HC, but of course, what is? I'll
probably go see it again to pick up a few more things. It struck me as
almost seeming like a kind of stylistic 'missing link' in Jackson's
aesthetic. It almost feels like the movie he could have made as a
transition between 'Braindead' and HC. It's got the over the top
weirdness and gross humor of BD ("I love it when they lie still!"), along
with some of angst and emotionalism of HC. I liked the intercutting with
the mass murder at the end, and you have to love any movie where Dee
Wallace runs after people screaming and firing a shotgun with a
flashlight taped to it. I thought that was a nice twisted joke, seeing
as how her character is established as a somewhat pitiable, sympathetic
character in the beginning.
Her mother reminded me a bit of Elizabeth Moody's wacked-out Mom in BD.
But it turns out this mother was actually right to keep her daughter
locked up and repressed.
--Jefferson
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: No spoilers please! ("Frighteners")
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Bryan Woodworth wrote:
> I have enjoyed immensely what I have seen thus far. The local paper
> only gave it 2.5 stars, but who cares?
The Washington Times gave it no less than 4. I wouldn't go that far, but
it's certainly better than 2.5.
--Jefferson
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: M.J. Fox talks about filming 'The Frighteners'
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:04:25 -0600
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Some cool info about the film, and a nice trailer are available at:
http://www.iguide.com/tv/rewired/wolf/jw071096.sml
-michaela
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From: kate ann jacobson <kjac@unm.edu>
Subject: Re: John's observations and other stuff
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Jefferson wrote on July 22:
> I only spotted her in one shot, when she and another cop are sitting at
> a desk and they both turn around. Was she in any other shots?
Yes, she was in one earlier shot in the police station, even briefer,
walking down a hallway with Trini Alvarado.
> you have to love any movie where Dee Wallace runs after
> people screaming and firing a shotgun with a flashlight taped to it.
> I thought that was a nice twisted joke, seeing as how her character is
> established as a somewhat pitiable, sympathetic character in the
> beginning.
When the movie first began, I thought some of the dialogue about her
character was sort of a reference to HC, and how people can change, i.e.,
"She was only 15, she just fell in love with the wrong person," "That girl
isn't who you are now." And I thought the evil mother who kept her daughter
locked in the house and said things like "Do you know who my daughter is?
Stay way from her!" was sort of a commentary on how when people commit a
famous crime, it can come back to haunt them, like it did with Anne Perry,
as a result, partly, of Jackson and Walsh.
But I later changed my mind about this theory completely as the movie went
on.
- kate
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From: MrS1fDstrc@aol.com
Subject: Jackson's Frighteners
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:46:07 -0400
Hey everyone, this is my first post to this list. I saw The Frighteners
last Friday, and I thought it was pretty good. I didn't notice Melanie
Lynskey's cameo, Peter Jackson's cameo, or Pauline and Juliet on the serial
killers video box. I wish that I had known to look for thses things
before-hand, but since I'm new to this list, I didn't know. I was too caught
up in the movie to have noticed anything as subtle as these three things, but
if I see it again, I'll be sure to look.
I looked at the newest Entertainment Weekly, and I noticed that critics
have been having very mixed feelings about this movie. EW scored The
Frighteners as high as Heavely Creatures (B+), while both Siskel and Ebert
seemed to hate it (they gave it a D and an F respectively). I think Siskel
and Ebert were expecting something a little more along the lines of HC. If I
had only seen HC, and didn't know about any of Jackson's other work, I may
have not liked The Frighteners as well. Heavenly Creatures was Jackson's
only "normal" movie, the only one that didn't involve supernatural elements
(i.e. zombies, aliens, and live puppets). Heavenly Creatures was also a
character-driven film full of emotion and feeling. Jackson's Dead Alive
(A.K.A. Braindead) and now The Frighteners are more genere-driven pieces that
distance themselves more from the characters, and rely more on the overall
environment and the plot.
I loved the way Jackson made The Frighteners, which is his first
American-financed big-studio film, his own movie. It seems to be the exact
type of movie he really wanted to make. He got to tell an intersting
supernatural story the way he wanted to do it. The film was made entirely in
his home country of New Zealand which gave him more freedom, kept costs down,
and gave the film a different look and feel than it might have had in
America. To help keep costs down he created his own didgital effects house
which kept him from having to pay the high prices of Industrial Light and
Magic or Digital Domain. According to the current Premiere magazine (which
contains a great article about Jackson), he probably cut the film's cost in
half by using his own effects people to create the over 570 effects shots.
I also loved how Jackson mixed several different genres into one movie
so flawlessly. This movie was part comedy, part thriller, part murder
mystery, part serial killer movie, part horror, part action, etc. Jackson
was also able to pay tribute to some of his favorite films and artists. He
used R. Lee Ermey, from Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket, as basically a
ghost version of his Full Metal Jacket character. He also used sevaral
veteran horror actors such as Dee Wallace Stone, and the hilariously deranged
Jeffrey Combs among others. On top of the ever-evolving main plot he also
has several subplots going including the romance of the Michael J. Fox
(Frank) and Trini Alavarado (Dr. Lynskey) characters, Frank's recovery from
the loss of his wife a few years earlier, we learn more about the bizarre
twisted FBI agent Dammers, and more.
Overall I thought this was a great film by a very talented
writer-director. The only element I didn't really like was the ending. I
thought the ending, only the very last two or three minutes, was pretty corny
and didn't really fit the rest of the movie, maybe Jackson was trying to
spoof the typical happy Hollywood endings in his first Hollywood movie. I
can't figure out why some critics could dislike this movie so much, my only
guess is because it really defies expectations.
I'm surprised that in a summer filled with all the usual formulaic
action movies which are all basically clones of each other, critics aren't
being a little kinder to a work of much originality. The direction isn't as
fancy as HC, but it's harder to do moving shots in an effects movie because a
computerized motion-control camara has to be used, but the direction is far
superior to that of most effects movies. There is also great cinematography
used in this movie, I think the New Zealand settings look more lush than if
it had actually been filmed in California. The acting is also quite good,
especially the subtle performance of Michael J. Fox and the over-the-top
performance of Jeffrey Combs.
I'm excited to see how Peter Jackson will handle King Kong. He's said
that he plans to shoot it entirely in New Zealand, but he's also said he
wants to stay true to the original. He's said that the original is his
favorite movie of all time, and that the scenes with the Empire State
building are like American icons. I have to wonder why he plans to shoot it
totally in New Zealand if he seems so insistent on keeping it true to the
iconic original. It seems to me that it would be a lot cheaper and easier to
film it in America than to create many American landmarks on a computer. I'm
sure he knows what he's doing though.
I'm sorry for this message being so long, but I just started writing,
and I didn't know where to stop, I could go on and on. I have a few
questions also. First of all, are Bad Taste and Meet the Feebles available
in the U.S. on video, and if they are, where are they available. Second,
where can I get ahold of the longer unrated unedited version of Dead Alive.
Blockbuster, Suncoast, and Best Buy all have the R-rated version. I really
liked the R-rated version, and I'd like to see the other version. Finally
does anyone know of any books available or in the works about Peter Jackson.
Thanx.
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001 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Jackson's Frighteners
002 - mitchell@magi.com (Marla - The film "Fun"
003 - John Argentiero <jargent@ - Jacksons's Older Movies
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Jackson's Frighteners
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:29:20 -0600
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Moniseur Self Destruct (MrS1fDstrc@aol.com) said:
I'm excited to see how Peter Jackson will handle King Kong. He's =
said
that he plans to shoot it entirely in New Zealand, but he's also said he
wants to stay true to the original. He's said that the original is his
favorite movie of all time, and that the scenes with the Empire State
building are like American icons. I have to wonder why he plans to =
shoot it
totally in New Zealand if he seems so insistent on keeping it true to =
the
iconic original. It seems to me that it would be a lot cheaper and =
easier to
film it in America than to create many American landmarks on a computer. =
I'm
sure he knows what he's doing though.
I'd have to disagree with you on that one. Part of the reason why film =
and TV production teams film in 'substitute' locations instead of the =
real thing (ie, Vancouver has been the location for such diverse TV =
productions as 'The Commish', 'The X-Files', and 'Highlander'; Toronto =
is often a substitute for New York City; my hometown of El Paso, Texas =
is currently appearing as Kuwait/Saudi Arabia in 'Courage Under Fire,' =
etc.) to keep costs low. When I was in NYC in March, I ran into several =
film crews on the same day, all for different productions (the TV show =
'Law and Order' was one, another was a new Julia Roberts film, I think), =
and they all looked like they were having a hell of a time filming =
around the traffic and crowds. If I were a director, I would opt to =
film in a substitute location and then digitally edit the film to make =
it look more realistic. I'm not surprised Jackson will do this, as =
keeping the production in NZ guarantees that he can use local talent =
(look at the great performances in 'HC,' and the FX in both 'HC' and =
'The Frighteners') and people he's familar with. Plus, he can crank out =
a great quality film for a fraction of what most major Hollywood films =
need, and I'm sure the studio execs love that aspect. Also, keep in =
mind that he and Fran have two young children. I'm sure neither wants =
to go jetting around the world and have to leave the kids behind, or =
subject them to international travel at such a tender age. Of course, =
this is just speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if that =
was a major factor.
I have a fewquestions also. First of all, are Bad Taste and Meet the =
Feebles availablein the U.S. on video, and if they are, where are they =
available. =20
I saw 'Bad Taste' at a splatter film fest, along with 'Braindead' and =
'Meet the Feebles' at an art house in Austin, Texas last year. However, =
'Meet the Feebles' is now out on video, and can be easily happened upon =
at your friendly Blockbuster, Hollywood, or independent video store. =
You might find 'Bad Taste' at an independent as well, but I wouldn't =
count on it. Apparently copies are rather rare here in the States.
Second,where can I get ahold of the longer unrated unedited version of =
Dead Alive. Blockbuster, Suncoast, and Best Buy all have the R-rated =
version. I really liked the R-rated version, and I'd like to see the =
other version.
Can't help you here--sorry. I suppose I saw the unrated version on the =
big screen. I saw a pirated video version once, but I was, uh, a bit, =
out of it (: at the time, so I can't say what version it was. I have =
not seen the R-rated version to my knowledge.
As for Jackson books, I don't think there is such a thing (unless the =
Kiwis on this list know of some published in NZ), but I would check out =
back issues of the magazine 'Fangoria' (are there more horror fan =
magazines out there besides this one?) for more info about him. (:
regards,
michaela
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From: mitchell@magi.com (Marla Mitchell)
Subject: The film "Fun"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 00:47:36 -0500
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Just wondering how many HC fans out there have heard of or seen a movie
called "Fun"? I caught it on pay-tv (The Movie Network here in Canada to
be specific) and would think it is available on video.
It came out the same year as HC (1994) and is remarkably similar in subject
matter - two teenage girls meet, develop a unique friendship and eventually
end up murdering someone. In this film however, all of this takes place in
one day. It stars Alicia Witt (who plays Zoey on TV's "Cybill") and is
definitely of interest to any HC fan.
As I said, it is incredibly similar to HC in many ways and yet, on a
certain level, I feel it is a darker, more pessimistic film. Also, the
portrayal of the girls' relationship is more analytical and much less
subjective(and therefore, less involving) than in HC.
I don't want to discuss it in any more detail right now - hopefully some of
you have seen it or will see it - I think there are enough interesting
similarities/differences between the two films to prompt some very
interesting discussion. I am quite anxious to hear some of your ideas!
Ciao for now,
Marla
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From: John Argentiero <jargent@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Jacksons's Older Movies
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:08:52 -0400 (EDT)
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A minor interwoven thread has just been where to find Peter Jackson's
older, more..."disturbing" films...
The best place I've seen to find them are smaller non-chain video stores,
or to put it bluntly, ones not catering to a family audience.
Another great place to look, for those with access to one, is Tower Music
and Video. This is where I found both the unrated "Dead Alive" and "Meet
the Feebles", though apparantly our copy of Feebles tends to black out at
intervals, making it somewhat unwatchable. Not sure about Braindead or
Jackson's faux documentary, which I don't think is on video yet.
A lot of video stores will order movies for rental if you bug them enough,
so that may be the way to go. Also, some online sites let you order
movies, and I'm pretty sure Dead Alive was in the Under $20 range, though
Brain Dead was "priced for rental"...
Hope this helps, and best of luck, the unrated Dead Alive was worth
searching for!
And in a side note, Frighteners related, if you can find the unrated
version of Reanimator, starring the Frighteners creepy FBI agent played
by Jeffery Combs, do so, it's one of the coolest horror films ever made!
Not as funny as Dead Alive, but...
-John
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001 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - Frighteners QT trailers...
002 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - Meanjin article - Heavenly Games
003 - MrS1fDstrc@aol.com - King Kong
004 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Filming Kong
005 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Absolut Nudity
006 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Critical Faculties
007 - plath3@his.com (Peter Lat - Peter Jackson's Plans
008 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: King Kong
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Frighteners QT trailers...
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:24:32 +1000
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Hi,
I found some more trailers at the following site...
<http://members.aol.com/flypba/new.html>
I have also found a rather interesting article in the Australian literary
magazine, Meanjin about HC. I will type it out and post it to the list when
I have some free time.
Regards, Donald
--
Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...
and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Meanjin article - Heavenly Games
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Hi all,
I have just finished typing in a rather interesting article from the
literary magazine of the University of Melbourne, Meanjin. It is from the
Vol.54, No.4, 1995 issue. Please excuse any typing errors.
Regards, Donald
<--------------------->
Heavenly Games
Retelling the Parker-Hulme Case
Sara Knox
On 22 June 1954, Pauline Parker, sixteen, and Juliet Hulme, fifteen,
battered Pauline's mother to death, The three had been out walking in the
Victoria gardens, a reserve on one of the hills encircling the very flat,
very English city of Christchurch, New Zealand. The two girls attempted to
explain Mrs Reiper's death as an accident but they were quickly implicated
in the murder: betrayed by the blood on their clothes, the half brick left
by the body and- what the police and the public found most stupefying- the
discussion in Pauline's diary anticipating the killing.
Peter Jackson's movie Heavenly Creatures has as its penultimate
scene the murder of Mrs Reiper, whose hands clutched uselessly over her
ruined and bloody head signify the pity of a trust so absolutely
misunderstood and then betrayed. But it is the movie's final scene which
conveys a sense of finality that the murder itself, surprisingly, cannot
convey. The girls reach out for each other, but the ship sails and they are
separated forever. The graphic scene of the murder, its queasy
verisimilitude, stands side by side with the fantastic; and yet it is the
fantastic that determines, in the end, the dreadful reality of separation
that Pauline and Juliet had plotted to avoid.
Much has been written about the Parker-Hulme case; Heavenly
Creatures is but the most widely known of the works based on the murder.
The recent resurgence of interest has led to the discovery of Juliet Hulme,
now living on an island off the coast of Scotland, pseudonymously writing
Victorian murder mysteries in an alarmingly generic mould. There are also
persistent rumours that Pauline Parker works in a Catholic bookshop in
Auckland, that she is a little mad and wholly converted. In a recent
Australian Woman's Day, an interview with the reclusive Hulme showed her
ageing, adult self posed on a Scottish hillside, complete with dog sitting
obediently by her Wellington-booted feet. Both Hulme and Parker are a long
way away from their adolescent selves. from the girls that murdered Mrs
Reiper. The adult Hulme has bundled herself, all the worldliness, the
imaginative dash, the polish and promise of her youth, into the small
package of 'Ann Perry'. One imagines an even more radical reduction for
Pauline Parker, whom one schoolmate described as being, at fifteen, 'a
mature beauty...very aggressive...a withdrawn, smouldering sort of person',
while another thought she was 'wild' and 'very proud'.1
One aspect of the case, or perhaps I should say the lives, of
Parker and Hulme that has been consistently misunderstood or overlooked is
that of their imaginary game, an interior landscape that Heavenly Creatures
, alone of all the representations, attempts to sketch with some integrity.
When Fran Walsh was researching the script for Heavenly Creatures her
explicit interest was the intense, romantic friendship of Pauline Parker
and Juliet Hulme. The film, which draws on the same materials as previous
accounts- the transcripts of Pauline's diary produced for the trial, the
reports of the defence and prosecution psychiatrists- succeeds where other
analyses have failed precisely because it portrays this relationship not as
pathological, but as the freaky end of a normal continuum.
Once in custody, both girls were interviewed by psychiatrists for
evidence of their refractory or psychotic nature. The defence, naturally,
was hoping to mitigate the girls' responsibility for a murder to which
they'd already confessed by finding them legally insane. The Crown had
little difficulty in accepting the majority of the defence's expert
psychiatric testimony, for it went to prove that the girls' 'grand fancies'
had led them to flout convention and choose evil for its own sake. Thus,
when the principal defence psychiatrist, Dr Reginald Medlicott, diagnosed
the girls as suffering from a 'paranoia of the exalted type', exaggerated
by the fact of its being shared in the folie =E0 deux, he cast Pauline and
Juliet as separate mouthpieces of a single delusive nature.
According to Medlicott folie =E0 deux, or communicated insanity, 'is
induced by a stronger character, the inducer, upon the weaker, the inducee
(folie impos=E9e), but delusions may occur simultaneously by reciprocal
influence in predisposed associated individuals (folie simultan=E9e)'.2
Though originally mounted as part of a defence that failed utterly to save
the two girls (their age alone kept them from hanging), Dr Medlicott's
analysis was extraordinarily persuasive. His characterization of the girls
as 'excitable', 'self-willed' and in the grip of 'megalomaniac' fantasies
led him to argue that their delusions of grandeur has estranged them from
the real world and alienated whatever vestiges of 'natural' feminine
compassion they possessed. Even the sentencing of the girls reflected the
powerful, if completely spurious, image of the folie =E0 deux. One of the
parole conditions, rigorously enforced by the Minister of Justice, forbade
any contact between the girls, either during the term of their imprisonment
or after. Separation was not just part of their punishment, it was a
condition of their rehabilitation.
Scriptwriters Fran Walsh and Peter Jackson had somehow to decode
the fatal bond of the simultaneously 'mad' and 'bad' girls. When Medlicott
determined that Juliet and Pauline were suffering from folie simultan=E9e-
that is, from delusions mutually induced by two 'predisposed' like minds-
he was unintentionally commenting on both the age and gender of Parker and
Hulme. Their adolescence and their femininity were determining
characteristics. The relationship of the girls continues to be cast not as
one of dominance but of mutuality: they were both just girls.
One of the things that hits you about Jackson's film is its
stylized quality. It is both manic and mannered, gesturing in tone to the
self-consciousness and exhibitionism of the teenager. Yet Heavenly
Creatures exhibits none of the profound suspicion toward and fear of
adolescence that motivated so many earlier analyses of the case. When Dr
Bennett mouths the word 'homosexuality' the camera focuses on his primly
disapproving lips. But he is quick to reassure the horrified Mrs Reiper
that her daughter is likely to grow out of her affliction. The dark humour
of the scene is vital: adolescence is simultaneously pathological and
normal, like 'crushes', a dangerous stage one passes through in the process
of maturation.
Pauline and Juliet presented to contemporary commentators the worst
possible projection of latent fears about adolescence in general, and
girlhood in particular. In Juliet's case instability was correlated with
maturation by Dr Medlicott, who noted that her 'onset of menarche'
coincided with the first symptoms of the various abnormalities that would
later predispose her to take her part in the shared delusions. The
diagnosis of folie simultan=E9e was based on the girls apparent inability to
distinguish fantasy from reality, a confusion evinced both by their
incessant game-playing and by their lack of respect for authority of all
kinds. Pauline's and Juliet's disdain for religion, school and the advice
of their parents suggested to contemporary experts an unhealthy and
unfeminine self-sufficiency, an arrogant precocity. Medlicott wrote of
Pauline:
as a small child [she] would shut herself off in her room with her
dolls...Seven years ago she had played for some time a fantasy game with
one friend in which they dressed up and imagined they had a secret
staircase at a nearby museum.
And of Juliet:
she appears to have been excitable, self-willed [and] demanding...full of
fantasy and [she] found it difficult to stop play-acting games, and liked
to remain a fairy or some sort of fantasy creature long after her playmates
had become bored with the game.3
Analysts were baffled as they tried to unravel the 'game' set out
in the diaries, transcribed in novels and discussed by the girls when
interviewed by psychiatrists. Reading as they did with the fact of the
murder in mind, the examining psychiatrists and lawyers tended to attribute
to the banal a morbid significance. Medlicott wrote that, from early 1954,
Pauline's 'fictional family intruded into the diary with bewilderingly
frequent and tangled escapades'. His decision to term Pauline's characters
a 'family' is significant; after all, Pauline was turning away from her
real family. For Pauline and Juliet, however, the term 'family' was
shorthand for the complex cast of characters related by ties of blood and
fealty and known to them as the Court of Borovnia.
One psychiatrist told the court that the girls 'had delusions of
grandeur, formed a society of their own, and lived in it'.4 Medlicott
complained of the melodrama and violence of the Borovnian saga: the
'bewilderingly frequent and tangled escapades; there were bedroom scenes,
highway robberies and often more than one violent death a day'. Pauline's
fantasy world, according to Medlicott, gained a febrile strength as the
date of the murder neared:
Pauline's fictional characters behaved even more aggressively than
usual...within a paragraph [of the diary] Roland slaps Carmelita's face
when she turns his proposal of marriage down because she's engaged to
Roderick. The horse, 'Vendetta', kills Gianina the night before her
marriage to Nicholas. On the ledge of 'Satan's Hollow' 'Vendetta' crashes
down on to Nicholas, and with a wild scream turns into the sunset, his
revenge complete.5
To Medlicott, the passage suggested Pauline's 'close association of
megalomaniac ideas' with her 'preoccupation with murder'. He failed
completely to understand both the genre of the adolescent diary (which
records only the high points of the action) and the admittedly more
difficult genre of the imaginary game. Pauline's diary entry probably
compressed the details of either an extended bout of narrated play between
her and Juliet or part of one of their novels.
The persistent desire of the doctors, lawyers and successive
generations of true-crime writers to label Juliet and Pauline's complicated
but adolescent fantasy game-playing symptomatic of their pathology is
misguided, to say the very least. Even Heavenly Creatures succumbs to this
mistake. In the scene in which Juliet and Pauline retreat to Pauline's
bedroom on the morning of the murder, while Mrs Reiper busies herself
downstairs making lunch, we see Juliet's nervous rationalization of the
murder and Pauline's complete obliviousness. While Juliet wrings her hands
over what a 'miserable woman' Mrs Reiper is, and how she 'doesn't seem to
mind' what she miraculously knows is about to happen to her, Pauline is
merely preoccupied with Carmelita's refusal of Roland's marriage proposal.
The scene takes liberties with the chronology of the game: Carmelita's
refusal was already decided long before the morning of the murder. While
this bit of imaginative recontextualization is inoffensive in itself, it
does tend to suggest a confusion of fantasy and reality sustained, if not
created, by the playing of the game.
Some commentators have stressed the importance to the case of a
discourse demonizing homosexuality, but the doctors were preoccupied much
less with the sexuality of the defendants than with their seduction from
reality. One feminist analysis of the case, detailing the 'impact of the
case on lesbians', illustrates that for a certain generation of lesbians in
New Zealand, the conflation of lesbianism and murder achieved by the
scandal-mongering press was inescapable. But among those interviewed, one
woman recalled a quite different but equally threatening sense of
recognition:
When it happened I was fascinated- one of the most interesting things- I
felt I knew them. I really identified with t he fantasy world. A girlfriend
and I used to write to each other, pretending we were boyfriends. Also, I
used to make up stories for my younger sister for years and years.6
While going on to talk about the case in terms that show she herself had
imbibed much of the psychobabble about the folie =E0 deux ('A lot depends on
who you meet. They almost became one. They had the same fantasy world'),
this respondent's line of identification was not with her lesbianism but
with her experience of fantasy game-playing, and more broadly speaking,
with the intensity of Parker and Hulme's intellectual and emotional lives.
Folie =E0 deux cannot adequately describe the experience shared by
Parker and Hulme. There is a more useful way of looking at the relation
between their 'society of their own' and the murder that spelled its
destruction, and that is to understand what it means to play an imaginary
game, to understand the implications of that strange and compelling shared
narrative.
In 1835 Emily Bront=EB wrote a diary letter, not to be opened for three
years. In it she regaled her older self with her most recent and most
satisfying adventures:
Anne and I went on our first long journey by ourselves together...Though
the weather was broken we enjoyed ourselves very much...And during our
excursion we were, Ronald Macalgan, Henry Angora, Juliet Angustina,
Rosabella Esmalden, Ella and Julie Egremont, Catherine Navarre, and
Cordelia Fitzaphnold, escaping from the Palaces of Instruction to join the
Royalists who are hard-driven at present by the Victorious Republicans.7
Bront=EB scholars have often been puzzled by the game played by Anne, Emily,
Charlotte and Branwell at the times when two or more of them were together.
Their game has been written off as part of the 'juvenilia' of Emily and
Charlotte, or merely as symptomatic of their creative genius. But that
game, played until Emily's death, was no children's project to while away
the idle hours of rainy days.
It is difficult to identify, in history, players of multi-narrator
imaginary games that involved formulated plots, whole political and
religious systems, worlds peopled by characters developed and sustained
over years, even decades. Along with the Bront=EBs, I could name Samuel
Coleridge, A. S. Byatt, Margaret Drabble, Fleur Adcock, Marilyn Duckwork
and, probably, Antonia Forest. Although that list is far too short to
qualify as a sample, it is tempting to conclude several things. Firstly,
that imaginary games are played, more often than not, by women; secondly,
that they are played by siblings; thirdly, that those who play them often
become writers.
In two published essays, my sister Elizabeth, an established
novelist in New Zealand, and I meditated upon the effect of our own
imaginary game upon our quite different lives. Both her essay and my reply
attempted to analyse the nature of authority in narrative and to speculate
upon the process of identity itself.8 Elizabeth wrote: 'What would it mean
to be, at once, the reader and writer of a story? To be telling and being
told. To be telling and being told a world?' My retort, published two years
later, made more wistful her pronouncement that 'for me, the Game is a view
backwards'.9 She could look backwards along a continuous trail, its terrain
still habitable, for she continued to play the game with a female friend of
hers, recruited eight years earlier. I, however, had not played since
=46ebruary 1986. My 'view backwards' was interrupted by ellipses, whole
sections of the once familiar terrain obscured or out of focus. The only
proper voice I could find for this confusion was that of my main character
for many years, whose death had been decreed irrevocable at a time when our
playing had ceased supposedly to be 'mere' adolescent entertainment and had
become 'art'. Elizabeth quoted my character in her essay to explain a
feeling we had all, at one time of another, expressed- a sense of having
been left behind, out of step with our narrated lives:
I feel like an empty theatre, or a broken movie projector, packed with the
ghosts of images and words, the faces of long dead actors and actresses.
Right now, here, I feel like a lost part pf a child's puzzle put away after
the holidays.10
To which I replied: 'When was "right now"? Where was "here"?'11
The game's origins went back as far as 1970 when I was eight and
Elizabeth eleven. Until I was twenty-one and left house I shared with my
sister, we played every night till the early hours of the morning and most
Saturdays as well. The weekend game involved our next-door neighbour,
Carol, who played for seven years between 1970 and 1978, and my oldest
sister, Mary, who played, on and off, for twelve years. There were, in
fact, two interconnected games that, as time wore on, began to share the
same characters and eventually similar, albeit informal, narrative rules.
The night-time game, called 'sequences', was purely mine and Elizabeth's ,
though its main characters peopled, in their own future, the daytime 'saga'
played by the four of us. Action in the game was narrated, in present
tense, third person exposition and dialogue. When recorded or transcribed
it read, effectively, like a novel. The narrated relationships between
characters were intense, loving and frankly sexual.
In 1977, Carol went on a trip to Tahiti. While she was gone the
game went into abeyance because a number of the characters simply were not
there. Elizabeth wrote to her regularly over the six weeks, including in
each envelope a letter from her character, Cicilia Jarlson, to his wife
(Carol's character), Genevieve. After one such exchange Carol, then
fourteen years old, wrote back confidingly to Elizabeth:
Gosh I really love that creation of yours Liz. That really sounds strange
to me because I don't feel as if I love you. It seems too much a demanding
and telling type of feeling, Cicilia that is. I love his letters and when I
finish them I feel such a warm, cuddly feeling in me. It's not Genevieve
who loves him but me...I can't explain it, you said you'd never marry a
thug like that- to me it would be bliss!
Carol expressed a clear distinction between herself and her character and
between Elizabeth and Cicilia. The feeling was real but contained within
the world played.
A year later, when Carol got a boyfriend, Genevieve Jarlson had to
be killed off. Carol's other characters were forced to emigrate from
Avernum so that she herself could leave the game. We were all adolescents
then and things seemed to have to be done fully or not at all. Carol could
not have an ordinary life and the game as well (given the amount of time we
all spent 'playing' this was literally the fact). The death of Genevieve,
precipitated by the accidental death of Cicilia, her husband, was a price
extorted from Carol by Elizabeth for leaving her (and us). It was, of
course, also a punishment. It seemed then that Carol caused Cicilia's and
Genevieve's death by her own inattention, her defection. As I recall, we
wept the whole way through that six hours of playing. Eight months later,
Elizabeth working in her terrifyingly boring job, wrote in her journal: 'It
has been hard to stay here- the Inland Revenue and Earth- since Cicilia
Jarlson died.'
Without Carol the game went on. We dedicated our existence to it
both because it was an art and, most of all, because of the experience of
playing itself. As the game was left virtually to me and Elizabeth it
became the dominating thing in my life, the richest experience. At
eighteen, in my own very intermittently maintained journal, I wrote:
I have too much to say. In 1976 I invented Vlad, much later than his
father, Miklos, then Elizabeth, Klara and Lenore. Now I am bound to their
existence; their beings etched on my soul...In Cryheron, or in that little
North Caracallan village at which they have yet to arrive...Sometimes I see
their faces and hear them call to one another. This is the danger. Life has
become difficult because, as I grow older, the other minds and lives
consume me. I shouldn't want it any other way. I know what love is.
Both of our journals at that time were full of fear of dissolution,
betrayal, loss, insanity even. When we were young we felt as if the lives
we lived in our characters would somehow drive us quite out of our minds,
that we would go into an imaginative sensory overload. For the game was not
merely fun, though it could be incredibly fun. Its emotional, intellectual
and descriptive terrain was dangerously vast.
In Antonia Forest's young adult novel, Peter's Room, a group of
adolescents, inspired by the example of the Bront=EBs, start up a game. Soon
the oldest children are worried that the experience of play is too intense,
that the players are becoming obsessed- almost possessed- by the game. One
of the most proficient and dedicated players explains that it gives him a
chance at 'being people who you like better than yourself'. The feeling of
sinking into a consciousness, a history, a character that is not you but of
you is unlike anything I have done since. When I recently saw Carol, a
woman well-heeled and well-adjusted, she told me she could not remember,
exactly, what Cicilia looked like, but that she remembered both loving him
and being Genevieve loving him.
For me, leaving the game was traumatic, though I had been
lackadaisical about playing it for a year or two before my expulsion.
Playing, as adults, had become difficult- not that we were any less good at
it, but the rules of play had changed and become both more demanding and
less satisfying. Elizabeth and 'ambitions to make [the game] more like a
fiction, with a dominant theme and direction...excluding from the story all
elements of fantasy and wish-fulfilment'.12 The game presumably had to grow
up along with its players. I found, quite suddenly, that my everyday life
could be made to contain the drama and suspense that once only the game had
offered me. And I began to defect, as Carol had years before, wooed away by
the will to make flesh a desire only ever before narrated. My exit from the
game, also like Carol's, was not a bloodless one, and I was punished more
severely. For the game to regain its integrity my characters had to be
removed from the centre of narrative action, and for once Elizabeth broke
the rule of narrative verisimilitude. My expulsion from the game occurred
when I was not present, and my main character, Vlad, was killed off in a
piece of play designed, as much as anything, to properly integrate the new
player, Elizabeth's friend Madeline, into a changed world. (Vlad dies
without saying a word because I am not there to speak for him.) It was a
mistake we were both responsible for, a kind of murder and suicide
combined. Writing her essay a couple of years later Elizabeth acknowledged
this, understanding our anxiety to covert a narrative for which there was
no particular cultural place into something with artistic currency. Her
acknowledgment of Vlad's anomalous death and her own drive for mimesis came
in the only way it fittingly could, from the mouth of her (surviving) major
character, Vlad's lover:
then in my mind I was crossing the rocks at the southern end of Veavane
bay, at evening, looking at a candle burning in the window of Vlad's and my
room at Cryheron. All the time was one time and, as I promised I would
never leave Vlad, I knew I could walk back into my own past and displace
myself in my own warm body like some lonely demon. Because here was
Cryheron, five years back, when everyone was alive and none of us were
outlaws...The children were on the beach. Astrella and Kasrhett were coming
up the path with silt on their boots from crossing the Shasta. You,
Cassandra, were standing in the cabbage bed beside the house, your nose red
with cold. This was my magical narrative: I dreamt that I had lost all my
people, and all the places I'd live- but woke and went back.
Although this voice is a device, it is also true- truly Starfire's and, in
a different way, truly his creator's. Elizabeth contemplates the 'view
backward' over a path crossed that cannot, in fact, ever be regained,
although the approach looks, to her, direct.
The year after I left the game, Elizabeth wrote in her journal,
thinking of the group of people then lost to her (both my characters and
those of hers utterly changed by their loss):
In 1974 I remember hearing oystercatchers as I stepped out of the caravan
in the early morning after playing, before sleeping. Fifteen years. I loved
you all and you are all beside me, exiles, phantoms.
Years later, after Elizabeth was married and we had all learned that one
could both live a normal productive life and play an imaginary game, she
described the absolute seductiveness of the game. (In the following quote
she is analysing the feeling of being one of her characters and his
obsession with one of Madeline's characters.)
=46ernando seeing Ricardo as a black torch before him in a wilderness of
light. Fernando is that- a deep draught of death-wish. I savour it, I
regret it as it fades throughout the week. Nothing else seems harmful or
significant. Fergus [Elizabeth's husband] is just body-warmth. Fame I could
take or leave...I know it is for this I am alive. This lust for anger and
extinction that I can't live with myself.
Not love, not sex, not drugs, not even (and this comes closest)
that point when a book you're writing completely takes you over, none of
these things can touch the intensity of game-playing. At any time that
intensity can be dangerous, not because game-playing renders you unable to
distinguish fantasy from reality but because its own, quite specific mode
of 'reality' is totally addictive. When I was sixteen and writing the awful
poetry that many adolescents do, I composed one of many poems about the
game. In it I addressed my love of my own major character, who seemed then
(and now) as real to me as myself. The last lines ran: 'the confusion in my
mind/is of one too many lives/and it is my own'.
Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker played a game. Their plots were
violent and melodramatic, their pantheon of characters drawn both from
their own imaginations and from popular culture. They only had a chance to
develop the game for two years, but on the evidence it would seem to have
been complex and fully formed. In my experience such a game can be
compelling and even addictive. Sustained bouts of play provide both an
adrenalin and an endorphin rush. If the girls were lovers as well as
co-creators in an imaginary game then the degree of their attachment must
have been profound.
Recently, after twelve years of trying not even to think about the
game, of occasionally being visited in dreams by Vlad or Carlin (and waking
to the feeling that one has seen the ghost of someone loved), I found
someone who knew about our game (which I seldom, if ever, talk about) and
who wanted to play. This woman had also, incidentally, become a kind of
lover. What with one thing and another we got the chance to play for only
about three-quarters of an hour. When she departed we left those characters
hanging in the terrible limbo of those once, and therefore always,
imagined. For weeks afterwards I felt as the masochist does after a
sustained beating: gripped by euphoria and, at the same time, a sense of
longing. It seemed to me, in those crazy hours just after Vix had gone,
that I could imagine killing to keep such a thing. The game my sisters and
I played, after all, had narrated lovers, but the players were themselves
sisters and friends. The sexuality was, therefore, entirely textual.
It would seem to me that the concept of folie =E0 deux, quite apart
from being, like the concept of pathology, problematic in and of itself, is
wrongly applied to the situation of Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker. They
did not enter into a shared delusion, but each girl independently lived
intensely the real, if rare, experience of playing a game. being
adolescents, they were more vulnerable to the feeling of playing and more
isolated with it. Because they killed Mrs Reiper they failed utterly to go
on, to grow into a realization that they were not and need not have been,
as they put it, 'mad' and utterly different. They did not kill Mrs Reiper
because they had become confused about what was real and what was not.
Until recently, murder was winked at on the European continent if
it was determined that the killing was a crime of passion. A derangement of
the senses brought on by what these cultures coded as a refined and
exceptional feeling (like romantic love) was then considered not pathology
but tragedy. The register of emotion that governs definitions of morality
is very different in such a case. When Ann Perry (Juliet Hulme) now
explains that she helped Pauline kill her mother because she had to save
Pauline, that she thought it was a choice between killing Mrs Reiper or
seeing Pauline kill herself, she is describing a whole set of other
potential losses. For Pauline to die, for herself to leave for South
Africa, would have meant the loss of the game and all its people. The loss
to be averted was, therefore, immeasurable, the thing to be saved vital and
rare. Perry, who wished now that she had never crossed, with the murder, a
border best reserved for the imagination, exhausted forever her
possibilities that spring day in 1954.
NOTES
1 Anonymous interviewees, quoted in Julie Glamuzina and Alison
Laurie, Parker and Hulme: a Lesbian View (New Women's Press, Auckland,
1991) p.70.
2 Dr Reginald Medlicott, 'Paranoia of the Exalted Type in a Setting
of Folie =E0 deux: a Study of Two Adolescent Homicides', Deviant Behaviour:
New Zealand Studies, ed. W. Black and A. Taylor (Heinemann, London, 1979)
p.119.
3 Medlicott, p.111, 122.
4 Tom Gurr and H. H. Cox, 'Death in the Cathedral City', Couples Who
Kill, ed. Richard Glyn Jones (True Crime, London, 1987) p.225.
5 Medlicott, pp.113-4.
6 Anonymous interviewee, quoted in Glamuzina and Laurie, p.169.
7 Emily Bront=EB, Diary letter, Howarth, 30 July 1835, A Peculiar
Music: Emily Bront=EB, ed. Naomi Lewis (Bodley Head, London, 1971) p.83.
8 Elizabeth Knox, 'Origins, Authority and Imaginary Games', Sport No.
1 (Spring 1988) pp107-29; Sara Knox, 'Identity, Inclination and Imaginary
Games', Sport No.7 (Winter 1991) pp.157-65.
9 Elizabeth Knox, p.107.
10 'Vlad', quoted by Elizabeth Knox, p.109.
11 Sara Knox, p.160.
12 Elizabeth Knox, p.113.
from Meanjin Volume 54 Number 4 1995, Guilt Weddings.
"Sara Knox on games girls play..."
Copyright held by the Meanjin (University of Melbourne, Parkville,
Victoria 3052 Australia.
--
Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...
and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"
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From: MrS1fDstrc@aol.com
Subject: King Kong
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:40:15 -0400
Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in response to my first
post:
>I'd have to disagree with you on that one. Part of the reason >why film and
TV production teams film in 'substitute' >locations instead of the real thing
(ie, Vancouver has been the >location for such diverse TV productions as 'The
Commish', >'The X-Files', and 'Highlander'; Toronto is often a substitute
>for New York City; my hometown of El Paso, Texas is >currently appearing as
Kuwait/Saudi Arabia in 'Courage Under >Fire,' etc.) to keep costs low. When
I was in NYC in March, I >ran into several film crews on the same day, all
for different >productions (the TV show 'Law and Order' was one, another >was
a new Julia Roberts film, I think), and they all looked >like they were
having a hell of a time filming around the >traffic and crowds. If I were a
director, I would opt to film >in a substitute location and then digitally
edit the film to >make it look more realistic. I'm not surprised Jackson
will do >this, as keeping the production in NZ guarantees that he can >use
local talent (look at the great performances in 'HC,' and >the FX in both
'HC' and 'The Frighteners') and people he's >familar with. Plus, he can
crank out a great quality film for a >fraction of what most major Hollywood
films need, and I'm >sure the studio execs love that aspect. Also, keep in
mind >that he and Fran have two young children. I'm sure neither >wants to
go jetting around the world and have to leave the >kids behind, or subject
them to international travel at such a >tender age. Of course, this is just
speculation on my part, but >I wouldn't be surprised if that was a major
factor.
I didn't exactly say what I meant. I didn't mean that I thought Peter
Jackson should move the entire King Kong production to America. As I said,
filming The Frighteners in New Zealand gave it a different, more lush look
and feel than if he had actually filmed it on location in California where
the film takes place. I also don't think HC would have been the same had it
been filmed in America. Jackson also does have more freedom in New Zealand
which I think would be very important for a director like him to have.
What I meant was really that it seemed to me like it would be easier to
just actually film much of the climactic scenes which take place in New York
in New York instead of filming entirely in New Zealand. He could just send a
second-unit crew to New York to film what he needed, so that he could stay in
New Zealand with Fran and the kids and use local talent for the main
production.
Most of the time, things don't really need to be filmed on their actual
location and can be very easily shot at a substitute location. New York
though is a fairly unique city that would be pretty hard to duplicate in a
different location, especially the numerous scenes which feature the
well-known Empire State Building which is only in New York. I know that it
could be duplicated accurately using computers, but digital effects don't
come too cheap. I would think it would be cheaper to use a second-unit crew
to film the New York scenes in New York and digitally add the characters
filmed in NZ to the filmed backgrounds instaed of filming the charcters and
digitally creating all of the backgrounds. But that's just my opinion. As I
said before, I'm sure Peter Jackson knows what he's doing.
Also, I have looked at Blockbuster, and another local independent store,
and neither seem to have Meet the Feebles. It could be that I haven't looked
in the right sections. I've tried horror, comedy, action, and drama, and I
haven't seen it.
Again, I have a few questions. Why was the title of Braindead changed
to Dead Alive when it came to the U.S. And does anyone out there know what
that TV documentary Forgotten Silver, which Jackson co-wrote and co-directed,
is about. Better yet, has anyone seen Forgotten Silver at one of the film
festival's it's played at.
-Thanx
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Filming Kong
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:03:44 -0400 (EDT)
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On Wed, 24 Jul 1996 MrS1fDstrc@aol.com wrote:
> What I meant was really that it seemed to me like it would be easier to
> just actually film much of the climactic scenes which take place in New York
> in New York instead of filming entirely in New Zealand.
On a related note, does anyone know where the original was filmed?
Of course, I'm of the opinion that Jackson should film the entire thing
at Larpin lane in Alexandria Virginia. We've got malls, supermarkets,
electricity, running water, and we're just 20 minutes out of DC. There's
a Comfort Inn just down the road, and I suppose if space gets cramped I
could put up Kate Winslet at my place...
(Allow me my absurdist fantasies, please.)
> Again, I have a few questions. Why was the title of Braindead changed
> to Dead Alive when it came to the U.S.?
I believe the conflict was with another horror movie (possibly courtesy
of Roger Corman) with the same (or a very similar) title.
> And does anyone out there know what
> that TV documentary Forgotten Silver, which Jackson co-wrote and co-directed,
> is about.
Apparently it's a bogus documentary about the New Zealand equivalent of
Melies and D.W. Griffith rolled into one. An imaginary cinematic pioneer
who was making epic films by the turn of the century. I hear it's pretty
convincing, with artificially-aged film and everything.
--Jefferson
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Absolut Nudity
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:19:48 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Steven Fammatre wrote:
> To my suprise and delight, I also read recently that Kate Winslet is in
> James Cameron's upcoming "Titanic" and has several upcoming roles, one
> of which, according to the current (Denzel Washington cover) issue of
> Entertainment Weekly, she will appear completely nude in. Now, as an
> 18-year old guy, this makes me happy. Very happy. But maybe the
> mystery/mystique factor a la HC is a better way to go.
As a bona-fide Winslet fanatic, I share your excitement/trepidation. Ah,
the age-old question, 'To Strip or Not to Strip.' Nudity can often
be perfectly justified in a film, but of course people tend to turn off
their critical faculties when too much flesh is on screen, whether it's
justified or not. Present company included, of course.
Of course, Ms. Winslet should do whatever she wants to do. The only
danger is that afterward, every script she gets offered could call for
gratuitous nudity. I think something like this might have happened to
Uma Thurman after 'Dangerous Liasons.' She put her foot down and said
"No more," so as not to feel exploited. I respect that decision,
although...what can I do? I'm straight and I've seen the film. Oh, Lord...
(But now I'm wondering, isn't everything in a movie more or less gratuitous?)
I digress as usual. I think Kate's image is already such that a nude
scene here or there probably won't affect her career that much. She
might come to be seen as one of those serious and accomplished
actresses who coincidentally isn't afraid to shed a few garments here
and there (Like Lena Olin, or just about any French actress you can
name) Most of the roles she'll be offered, if they remain in the period
vein, won't have much call for it, and probably won't be targeted towards
adolescent male audiences anyway.
(Though I wouldn't mind seeing her in something that was. You see,
there's that inner conflict I'm talking about.)
--Dazed and Confused
Jefferson
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Critical Faculties
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT)
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On Mon, 22 Jul 1996 MrS1fDstrc@aol.com wrote:
> I'm surprised that in a summer filled with all the usual formulaic
> action movies which are all basically clones of each other, critics aren't
> being a little kinder to a work of much originality.
This shouldn't surprise us too much. Critics are just as addicted to
formulas as anybody else, and probably even more so. I hate it when
critics praise a film as 'non-formulaic' and 'unconventional' when in
actuality it WAS formulaic but just managed to execute its formula very
very well. They should get their heads out of their asses.
The Frighteners just doesn't fit neatly into a category. It's certainly
not 'Caspar'...but then again it isn't 'The Exorcist' either. It's funny
in parts and unsettling in other parts. Serious in parts, and
off-the-cuff in other parts. It's this hybrid sensibility (halfway
between HC and 'Braindead') that is probably throwing off most critics.
I don't think the film is entirely successful on its own terms, but as
you pointed out, it sure as hell is a change of pace from anything else
you'll find in a theater right now. Jackson tries to keep a lot of balls
in the air. He can't keep them all up there all the time, but he keeps
enough up there that we should laud his achievement and encourage this
kind of risk-taking. The critics certainly should, if they actually
believe what they claim to believe.
What can I say? How does the old quote go? "No one ever erected a stutue
to a critic."
--Jefferson
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From: plath3@his.com (Peter Latham)
Subject: Peter Jackson's Plans
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:31:26 -0500
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I am willing to believe that Peter Jackson could make King Kong in such a
way as to create sympathy for Kong, the Fay Wray character, the hysterical
crowd and/or the pilots who attack Kong depending on his view of them.I am
ready to see it.
I think his greatest gift is getting inside the minds of inexplicable
people. Like a good lawyer, he can make the unspeakable seem eloquent.
I hope he will continue in the direction of HC and demonstrate for us the
psyches of famous criminals and the reasons for their crimes.
Oh, and this is off the main topic. Has anyone read "Pentecost Alley", Anne
Perry's newest? It concerns a group of 4 young adult males (not 2
adolescent females) who form an association they would rather forget as
mature adults.
The name of the club? It is the Hellfire Club whose initials HC are
emblazoned on the cover of the book.It struck me that the reference is not
likely to have been accidental, given that the book was published two years
after Heavenly Creatures.
I appreciate any thoughts you might have.
"Only the best people fight against all obstacles in
pursuit of happiness." Juliet Hulme
Sincerely,
Peter Latham
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: King Kong
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:08:40 -0600
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I didn't exactly say what I meant. I didn't mean that I thought =
Peter
Jackson should move the entire King Kong production to America. =20
I understand now what you were trying to say, and yes, I wouldn't be =
surprised if he did indeed send a second unit to film in NYC for the =
buildings. But, you'll have to remember that because he wants to do it =
in period, it will take a lot of digital editing to attain the NYC of =
the 30's--that area looks nothing now like it did then.
Also, I have looked at Blockbuster, and another local independent =
store,
and neither seem to have Meet the Feebles. It could be that I haven't =
looked
in the right sections. I've tried horror, comedy, action, and drama, =
and I
haven't seen it.
Check the new releases section. It just came out. Though, I just =
remembered that I rented it at Hollywood Video, and not Blockbuster =
(they didn't have it). You'll probably have to ask the staff a)if =
they're gonna get it and b)if they do have it, where they stashed it. =
(:
regards,
michaela
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001 - mailcall <mailcall@kiva.n - Re: Heavenly Games
002 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Heavenly Games
003 - "Bao Ly" <lybao@earthlink - Re: Meanjin article - Heavenly Games
004 - "Bao Ly" <lybao@earthlink - Absolut Nudity
005 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Absolut Nudity
006 - miranda.kaye@stonebow.ota - Forgotten Silver
007 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: Absolut Nudity
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From: mailcall <mailcall@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: Heavenly Games
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:08:58 -0500 (EST)
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thank you so much for sending this wondrous article to the list.
i always did think this was where alison was missing the boat.
add to the list given in the article, of writers who had sustained
imaginative games:
m.a.r. barker. unfortunately, about the only way we can see tekumel is
to find an old copy of "empire of the petal throne," which reduces the
vast epic landscape of his dreams to hexagons on a dungeons and
dragons map.
eleanor farjeon. read about her life and the story of "tar" in =a
nursery in the nineties=.
june and jennifer gibbons. read about them in marjorie wallace's "the
silent twins."
garrison keillor. he doesn't go into much detail in "lake wobegon
days," but it's there, along with lake wobegon itself.
zilpha keatley snyder. she has the distinction of being the only
author not only to have played intensely for years, but to write about
the origins and processes of games like this =in her novels for
children=. "the egypt game" and "the changeling" are unique in
children's literature. check out her web page, too.
http://www.microweb.com/lsnyder/home.html
austin tappan wright. his book "islandia" is all about the world he'd
had since childhood.
i'm no writer, but i've had several countries/planets. i think this
started when i was about two. they've been with me all my life, and
all my attempts to "give it up" or "grow up" were futile. i won't go
into detail. i do remember that many children who wanted to play with
me told me that they could not, because they had been expressly
forbidden ever to play games of that nature. no explanation was ever
provided.
**--==--** we created it -- let's take it over! **--==--**
**--==--** melanthe alexian **--==--**
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Heavenly Games
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:01:13 -0600
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mailcall wrote:
>thank you so much for sending this wondrous article to the list.
agreed! =20
Also, add to the list of imaginary world books, the one that inspired me =
the most as a child--"A Bridge to Terabithia." Unfortunately, I don't =
remember the author's name, but I remember seeking out a playmate to =
make our own 'Terabitiha' when I was about 9 years old. I'm sure our =
game would have continued for many years if I had not moved away. At =
that time, I lived in a very backward town in Central Texas, where our =
other friends (one girl we tried to intiate into the process said it =
"creeped her out" and she found other playmates) and teachers looked =
down on our imaginations--I remember being severely reprimanded during =
Texas History class for drawing a map of our imaginary world. Another =
time my copy of 'The Hobbit' was snatched out of my hands by a teacher =
who informed me I should read something more appropriate for a girl my =
age. Her suggestion? The Sweet Valley High series of books.
I've only been back to the town once in the 11 years since I moved away, =
about 3 years ago. I tried to get in touch with my old friend, and was =
told by several people that he'd become a sort of renegade drug addict =
high school drop-out who had been incredibly withdrawn since I'd left. =
He was incredibly talented, but this town does not take kindly to =
creative, original types (yes--stereotypes of small-town Texas--all =
true...), and I can't help but wonder where he'd be now if I hadn't left =
him, and in the process destroying our creative outlet.
Since that time, I've really not had any worlds on my own. I've never =
again found anyone to share my imaginary lands with...
>i do remember that many children who wanted to play with
>me told me that they could not, because they had been expressly
>forbidden ever to play games of that nature. no explanation was ever
>provided.
I too, encountered this...it is very sad that parents raise their =
children is such a stifiling manner. I have kept in close contact with =
my 5th grade teacher over the years--she used to reprimand me for =
reading in class; but recently apologized for doing so. (: She is =
very concerned with the issue of bringing adolescent girls to their full =
academic potential, and has noticed (along with other researchers) that =
around 4th or 5th grade, girls stop participating in class, and become =
withdrawn and overpowered by the boys in the class. I've read several =
studies that try to explain why this happens, and there really is no =
conclusive answer--it is a combination of many factors. Anyway, my =
friend asked me how I was able to stay so assertive through my school =
career, and not fade into the background. (All but one other girl from =
the class I had with her at a very intense private school dropped out =
during high school.) I told her that part of it was just my =
personality--I'm very opinionated, and the more people push me down, the =
louder I yell. (: I also told her that another thing was that I was =
never denied my imagination. Creating imaginary game worlds instilled =
in me a strong sense of personal identity because I stretched the =
boundaries of sexual and social norms through my characters. I didn't =
realise until now that's what Juliet and Pauline did as well--only the =
teachers and parents of that time were even more harsh than their =
small-town Texas counterparts... (: They succeeded in empowering =
themselves through their world, and were driven to extreme measures to =
keep that environment around them. I never really thought about the =
events in this light, and they certianly make a lot more sense now.
Sorry for the long-windedness and personal nature of this letter, and =
remember:
Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
regards,
michaela
----
Michaela R. Drapes
oleanna@mail.utexas.edu michaela@cibola.net
http://www2.cibola.net/~michaela
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From: "Bao Ly" <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Meanjin article - Heavenly Games
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:27:38 -0700
Wow! that's another one I don't have. I have compiled an article list re
Heavenly Creatures recently that I'd like to post here. Maybe we can add to
it as we find more? It consists of Mr. Porter's 5.8 Press articles about
"Heavenly Creatures" and 7.9 Recent press articles. I've also added two
section of my own, 7.9x Addition to Recent press articles and 7.9xx
Articles about "Heavenly Creatures" on the Internet. I have most of these
articles except where noted. So if anyone could send in new or remaining
ones, that would be "fentestuc!" And you know who you are, dearies... :)
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5.8 Press articles about "Heavenly Creatures." [FAQ]
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AS.
New Zealand Film, 52, 2-3 (1994). [jb]
"Major prize at Venice for Jackson's fourth feature"
Looks at the success of 'Heavenly Creatures' by Peter
Jackson at the Venice and Toronto Film Festivals, and
previews its NZ release.
Atkinson, Michael.
Film Comment, v31 n3 May-June 1995, p. 31. [mk,jp]
"Earthly Creatures."
Profile of Peter Jackson.
Brainard, Dulcy.
Publisher's Weekly, v242, n13, March 27, 1995, p. 64. [jp]
"Anne Perry: 'A structure in which to grow'."
Discusses Perry, NAm book tour and impact of her association
with "Heavenly Creatures" on her writing.
Bruzzi, Stella.
Sight and Sound, v5, n2, Feb. 1995, p. 45. [jp]
"Heavenly Creatures" (review)
Calder, Peter. [don't have]
New Zealand Herald, Oct. 14, 1994. p. 2. [jb]
"Heaven sent"
Discusses 'Heavenly Creatures' with the director.
Conway, Matt. [don't have]
Sunday Star Times, June 19, 1994, p. C10. [jb]
"Infamous 'moider' in movie spotlight"
Backgrounds the P.J. film "Heavenly Creatures' about the
Parker-Hulme murder.
Corliss, Richard.
Time, Nov. 21, 1994. v144, n21, p. 110. [jp]
"Heavenly Creatures" (review)
Cubey, Mark. [don't have]
Listener, 145(2844), p. 43 (1994). [jb]
"Fantastic life."
Reviews 'Heavenly Creatures' by Peter Jackson.
Doole, Kerry. [don't have]
Onfilm, 11(9), 6 (1994). [jb]
"Kiwi flix flex pecs for Yanks"
Looks at the success of 'Once were warriors' and
'Heavenly Creatures' at film festivals in Canada.
Grant, Barry. [don't have]
New Zealand J. of Media Studies, 1(2), 28-30 (1994). [jb]
"Heavenly Creatures"
Reviews 'Heavenly Creatures' directed by Peter Jackson.
Mentions recent success of NZ films in North America.
Groves, Don.
Variety, v358, n1, Feb. 6, 1995, p. 11. [jp]
"Kiwi pix grab H'wood's eye."
Hruska, Bronwen.
Los Angeles Times, Sat. Feb. 18, 1995. F4, col.1. [lfr]
"'Creatures' Protagonist Denies Criticizing Film."
Johnson, Brian D.
Maclean's, Jan. 30, 1995. v108, n5, p. 86. [jp]
"Heavenly Creatures" (review)
Johnson, Stephanie. [don't have]
Quote Unquote, 16, 34 (1994). [jb]
"Barking dogs"
Reviews 'Heavenly Creatures'.
Kennedy, Harlan.
Film Comment, v30, n6, Nov-Dec 1994, p. 64. [jp]
"Venice." (Venice Film Festival)
Reviews Venice F.F. and impact of "Heavenly Creatures."
Levy, Emanuel.
Advocate, Nov. 29, 1994. n669 p. 72. [jp]
"Heavenly Creatures" (review)
Maslin, Janet.
New York Times, Wed. Nov. 16, 1994. v144 B3(N), C17(L), col.3.
"Fantasies and a Forbidden Love That Turned 2 Girls Into
Murderers" [jp]
Morris, Roderick Conway. [don't have]
Times Literary Supplement, n4772, Sept. 16, 1994, p. 17 [jp]
"Psychos and holy fools (Venice Film Festival)"
Murray, Ron. [don't have]
Onfilm, 11(7), 13 (1994). [jb]
"Arcane arts of the WETA"
Decribes the work of Wingnut Effects & Technical Allusions
Ltd., or WETA, designing special effects for film. Looks at
their work on the Peter Jackson feature 'Heavenly Creatures'.
O'Brien, Geraldine.
New York Times, Sun. Nov. 13, 1994. v144 H15(N), H15(L), col.1.
"From New Zealand, Heavenly Murderous Creatures." [jp]
Petrovic, Hans. [don't have]
The Press, Oct. 15, 1994. p. 25. [jb]
"Curtain of uncertainty"
Backgrounds 'Heavenly Creatures', directed by Peter Jackson.
Philp, Matt. [don't have]
Evening Post, Oct. 13, 1994. p. 25 [jb]
"Deadly Delusions"
Talks to Peter Jackson about his film "Heavenly Creatures,"
in which the girls' riotous imaginations and the fantasy
world they built up are emphasized as significant factors
leading to the murder of Pauline's mother.
Powers, John.
Vogue, Dec. 1994. v184, n12, p. 176. [jp]
"Heavenly Creatures" (review)
Pryor, Ian. [don't have]
Listener, 145(2844), 38-39 (1994). [jb]
"Truly devoted"
Talks to the lead actors (Winslet, Kate [London]; Lynskey,
Melanie [New Plymouth]) about their roles in 'Heavenly
Creatures'.
Rafferty, Terrence.
New Yorker, Nov. 21, 1994. v70, n38, p. 131. [jp]
"Heavenly Creatures" (review)
Reid, Nicholas. [don't have]
North and South, 103, 152 (1994). [jb]
"Heavenly Jackson" (review)
Ribeiro, Luisa F.
Film Quarterly, Fall 1995 (in press). [lfr]
"Angels Sinned First: Reaching for the Sublime in Heavenly
Creatures"
Scholarly analysis of themes in the film, emphasizing the
role of the soundtrack, and discussing the unconventional
portrayal of feminine characters by Jackson and Walsh.
Romney, Jonathan.
New Statesman and Society, Feb. 10, 1995, v8, n339, p. 39. [jp]
"Heavenly Creatures" (review)
Salamon, Julie.
Wall Street Journal, Thur. Dec. 8, 1994. A14(W), A16(E), col.3.
"Heavenly Creatures" (review) [jp]
Smith, Charmian. [don't have]
Otago Daily Times, October 27, 1994, p. 23. [jb]
"Girls' imaginative world film's focus."
Actor Simon O'Connor talks about his role in 'Heavenly
Creatures'.
Sterritt, David.
Christian Science Monitor, Tue. Nov. 29, 1994. v87 14, col.2.
"Heavenly Creatures" (review) [jp]
Swain, Pauline. [don't have]
Dominion, Sept. 21, 1994, p. 11. [jb]
"In on the act of murder"
Talks to the actors Melanie Lynskey and Sarah Pierse (sic)
about their roles in 'Heavenly Creatures'.
Travers, Peter.
Rolling Stone, Nov. 3, 1994. n694 p. 104-6. [jp]
"Heavenly Creatures" (review)
Wakefield, Philip. [don't have]
Evening Post, June 25, 1994, p. 11. [jb]
"Heavenly coup for Capital festival"
Presents some of the highlights, including the world
premiere of Peter Jackson's 'Heavenly Creatures', from the
23rd Wellington Film Festival to be held in July.
Watson, Chris. [don't have]
New Zealand J. of Media Studies, 1(2), 14-27 (1994). [jb]
"If Michel Foucault had seen Peter Jackson's 'Heavenly
Creatures'."
Analyses 'Heavenly Creatures' directed by Peter Jackson in
terms of the theories of Michel Foucault. Looks at how the
film portrays power exercised through the control of
sexuality by the middle classes. Focusses on control of
female sexuality through medicalisation and
characterisation of madness.
[I would really like to get a copy of this one. jp]
Weintraub, Bernard.
New York Times, Thur. Nov. 24, 1994. v144 B1(N), C11(L), col.4.
"Making a film from the horror of a mother's brutal murder." [jp]
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7.9 Recent press articles. [FAQ]
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Clarkson, Neil. [don't have]
The Press (Christchurch), June 17, 1989. p. 23. [jb]
"Separation threat trigger for a brick attack."
Features the murder of Honora Parker, Christchurch, 22
June 1954. Pauline Yvonne Parker and Juliet Marion Hulme
were convicted.
Clarkson, Neil. [don't have]
The Press (Christchurch), Supplement, p. 1. October 5, 1991.[jb]
"Murder Without Remorse"
Profiles the defence lawyer, Brian McClelland, who talks
about the trial of Parker and Hulme.
[I would like to get a copy of this. jp]
Darnton, John.
New York Times, Tuesday February 14, 1995. B1-2(N). [jp]
"Author Faces Up to a Long, Dark Secret." (see 7.9.1).
Gristwood, Sarah.
The Australian Women's Weekly, March 1995. pp. 18-21. [sb]
"Haunted by my Horrible Past"
"Jailed at 15 for her part in a brutal murder, author Anne Perry
thought her secret was safe..." (see 7.9.2).
Lyall, Sarah.
New York Times, Wed. Aug. 17, 1994. C9(L). [jp]
"Mystery Writer's Hidden Mystery."
Marchand, Philip. [I can get this]
Toronto Star, Mar. 5, 1995. p. C5 [se]
"Author tries to avoid past as teenage murderer."
McCrum, Robert. [any one knows of this?]
The New Yorker Magazine. to be published. [mf]
"Robert McCrum was just here [Christchurch] recently
writing the definitive Parker/Hulme story. ...I think his
article will answer a lot of your questions and push all our
ideas about 'the moider' into a whole new territory." [note:
personal communication, mf 94/04/20. jp]
Sabbage, Lisa.
New Zealand Woman's Weekly. August 26, 1991. pp. 36-38. [jb]
"The murder that stunned New Zealand!"
Examines the murder of Honora Parker by her daughter,
Pauline, and friend Juliet Hulme in the light of a new book
'Parker and Hulme - a lesbian view' by Julie Glamuzina and
Alison Laurie.
Sullivan, Barbara. [I can get this]
Chicago Tribune, Sun. Mar. 26, 1995. p. 1. [sb]
"Murder was the case."
Article concerning Anne Perry's recent NAm book tour, and
interview with Ms Perry.
Wickens, Barbara.
Maclean's March 27, 1995. p. 61 [jp]
"Haunted by homicide" (see 7.9.3).
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7.9x Addition to Recent press articles. [Bao Ly]
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AS.
New Zealand Film, ?, Oct. 1993. p. 9.
"Miramax have international sales of Jackson's film"
Miramax International have acquired worldwide distribution
rights (including New Zealand, but excluding United States
and Canada, Germany and Austria) to Peter Jackson's fourth
features, "Heavenly Creatures".
AS.
New Zealand Film, ?, May 1994. p.3.
"Miramax buy world rights to NZ feature"
The leading American distribution company Miramax have
acquired world-wide rights to Peter Jackson's new feature,
"Heavenly Creatures."
Anderson, John.
Newsday, May 5, 1995. pp B05.
"Two Views of Lesbianism"
Movie review of "Fun" and "Heavenly Creatures".
Berkman, Meredith.
Entertainment Weekly, May 19, 1995. p. 72.
(movie review)
Callum, Myles.
TV Guide, June 3, 1995. p. 39.
(video recording review)
Caprez, Claudia.
The Weekly Journal, Feb. 9, 1995. pp PG.
"Heavenly Creature"
(movie review)
Cinema Papers, 97/98, Apr. 1994 ???
"Heaven Can't Wait" ???
Interview with Peter Jackson.
Clark, Mike.
USA Today, Nov. 16, 1994. pp 04.
"Devilish `Heavenly Creatures' - Chinese history sets stage for Zhang
Yimou's `To Live'"
Movie reviews for "Heavenly Creatures" and "To Live".
Cosh, Colby.
Alberta Report/Western Report, V 22, Aug. 21, 1995. pp 33.
"Actually, these creatures are a long way from heavenly.."
(movie review)
"Kiwi or no, it is overrated," said Cosh.
Donahue, Deirdre.
USA Today, Sept. 23, 1994. pp 07.
"Anne Perry forced to relive her own murder story"
Anne Perry talks about the murder trial and life in prison.
She says she won’t write a book about the murder because it
would invade Pauline's privacy. "I wish her well."
Facts on File, Dec. 31, 1994. p. 1015.
"Anne Perry"
Mystery writer admitted that her real name was Juliet Hulme
and as a youth she was convicted of a murder in New Zealand
in 1954.
Film Review, Mar. 1, 1995. p. 52.
"Picture Paradise"
Kate Winslet, the star of Heavenly Creatures, talks about
her favorite movies.
Fine, Marshall.
Gannett News Service, Nov. 17, 1994.
"`Heavenly' Imaginations"
(movie review)
"Intriguing, but occasionally monotonous," said Fine.
Flaim, Denise.
Newsday, Apr. 2, 1995. pp 02.
"Culture Vulture"
(brief article)
Talks about Mario Lanza, the unsung singing hero of
"Heavenly Creatures".
Flatley, Guy.
Cosmopolitan, Dec. 1994. p. 32.
(movie review)
Fletcher Stack, Peggy
The Salt Lake Tribune, April 22, 1995. pp. D1, D4
"Through the Past Darkly: Mormon Writer Was Convicted of Murder at 15"
Fried, John.
Cineaste, v21 n4, Dec. 01, 1995. p. 51.
"Heavenly Creatures"
(movie review)
Fried compared the opening sequence of "Heavenly Creatures"
to that of David Lynch’s "Blue Velvet".
Frost, Polly.
Harper’s Bazaar, Dec. 1994. p. 74.
(movie review)
Fuller, Graham.
Interview, Nov. 1994. p. [?]
Gelmis, Joseph.
Newsday, May 26, 1995. pp B31.
"Putting Teens In a Bad Light"
(movie review)
"My response to grotesque movies like "Heavenly Creatures"
has always been, of necessity: Give me a break!" said Gelmis.
Gleiberman, Owen.
Entertainment Weekly, Nov. 25, 1994. p. 48.
(movie review)
Guthmann, Edward.
San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 23, 1994. p. 48.
"Fascinating Study Of Teenage Killers"
Guthmann described the plot of "Heavenly Creatures" very
well - unfortunately, he described Melanie Lynskey's
character as "an overweight misfit who draws horses and
keeps to herself."
Guthmann, Edward.
San Francisco Chronicle, Mar. 30, 1995. p. E1.
"This 'Heavenly Creature' Wants To Let Go of Past"
An interview with Anne Perry - very insightful and lots of
good quotes.
Hruska, Bronwen.
Newsday, Feb. 20, 1995. pp B03.
"New Controversy Over '50s Murder Crossfire in the press over
`Heavenly Creatures'"
An overview of the controversies surrounding "Heavenly
Creatures" and Anne Perry.
Jones, Alan.
Cinefantastique, v26 n2, Feb. 1, 1995. p. 42.
"Heavenly Creatures"
New Zealand’s Peter Jackson turns psychological in the true
story of two teenage girls who made a pact to murder.
Kronke, David.
Los Angeles Times, Jan. 7, 1996. Calendar, p. 6.
"Faces to watch in '96...Kate Winslet..."
Kate Winslet talks about her traumatic experience of filming
"Heavenly Creatures."
Lambert, Pam.
People Weekly, Sept. 26, 1994. p.57.
"Blood Memory"
Mystery writer Anne Perry is unmasked as a convicted murderer
who helped kill her best friend’s mother 40 years ago in New
Zealand.
Latimer, Joanne.
Herizons, V 10, Apr. 1, 1996. pp 24.
"Lesbian chic goes to Hollywood.."
Lejeune, Anthony.
National Review, V 48, Jan. 1, 1996. pp 54.
"A little knowledge.."
Discusses Anne Perry’s novels and their characters -- also
mentioned "Heavenly Creatures" at the time when Traitors
Gate was in preparation.
Levy, Emanuel.
Los Angeles Times, Nov. 27, 1994. Calendar, p. 28.
"‘Sympathy for the devilish; what's a little motherly murder between
friends?"
Los Angeles Times, Nov. 20, 1994. Calendar, p. 2.
(Brief article)
The opening of the movie "Heavenly Creatures".
Lyman-Whitney, Susan
Deseret News, March 31, 1996.
"Anne PERRY in Utah (Deseret News)"
Magill's Survey of Cinema, June 15, 1995.
"Sister, My Sister"
An article on the movie "Sister, My Sister" with small
reference to "Heavenly Creatures".
Mathews, Jack.
Newsday, Apr. 12, 1995. pp B09.
"An Unholy Alliance Between Two Teens"
Movie review of "Fun" and "Heavenly Creatures".
Nashawaty, Chris.
Entertainment Weekly, Mar. 31, 1995. p. 47.
"Better days for ‘Worse’?"
(brief article)
Penfield III, Wilder.
Toronto Sun, Feb. 5, 1995. p. [?].
"Murderess Ink"
'Heavenly Creature-Turned-Hit Novelist, Anne Perry Survives
Exposure.'
Purtell, Tim.
Entertainment Weekly, Mar. 10, 1995. p. 46.
"Up from down under"
(brief article)
New film actors and directors from Australia and New Zealand.
Schaefer, Stephen.
USA Today, Nov. 16, 1994. p. [?].
"Devilish 'Heavenly Creatures'"
(movie review)
Steyn, Mark.
The Spectator, Feb. 18, 1995. v274 n8693 p. 35.
"Cinema: The Shawshank Redemption; Heavenly Creatures"
Thomas, Kevin.
Los Angeles Times, Sept. 18, 1995. Calendar p. F-2.
"Screening room; cinewomen offers shorts; Jackson's 'feebles' at Nuart.."
Turan, Kenneth.
Los Angeles Times, Nov. 23, 1994. Calendar, p. F-1.
"'Heavenly Creatures' a devilish delight"
Williamson, Bruce.
Playboy, Jan. 1995. p. 17.
"Heavenly Creatures"
(movie review)
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7.9xx Articles about "Heavenly Creatures" on the Internet. [Bao Ly]
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?
San Francisco Chronicle, May, 26, 1995.
http://www.design.nl/filmlijst/reviews/HeavenlyGreatures.html
"Two Teenage `Heavenly Creatures' and Their Chilling Crime"
?
Cinema Papers?
http://www1.iol.it/cinema/stampa/49.html
"Heaven Can't Wait"
Agamanolis, Stefan P.
http://stefan.www.media.mit.edu/people/stefan/movies/heavenly.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Berardinelli, James
Euphony Copyright 1994,1995
http://euphony.com/euphony/reviews/movie/HeavenlyCreatures-JB.html
euphony.com:80/euphony/reviews/movie/MeetTheFeebles-JB.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Byerley, Tim
HBO Online
http://www.hbo.com/Filmreviews/cmp/reviews/heavenly_creatures.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Cannon, Damian
Movie Review UK
http://www.sr.bham.ac.uk/~dbc/Movies/Reviews/Heavenly_Creatures.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Corliss, Richard
Time Magazine Online
http://pathfinder.com/@@CgJ40wYAUfWxJx3@/time/magazine/domestic/1994/941121/
941121.cinema.creatures.html
Chunn, Louise
The Age, Dec. 2, 1995.
http://www.vicnet.net.au/vicnet/age/agenda1.htm
"Murder they wrote"
Elbert, Roger
Universal Press Syndicate
http://www.kentuckyconnect.com/heraldleader/movies/fl/heavenly.html
"Fear of separation drives girls to kill in 'Creatures'
Ellis, Joan
Nebbaddon Syndicate
http://movie.infocom.net/docs/joined_reviewfiles/HEAVENLY_CREATURES.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Ferras, Peter
Cranial Cinema
http://www.u-net.com:80/virtua/cranial/cran05/movies.htm#Heavenly
"Heavenly Creatures"
Files, Gemma
eye WEEKLY, Jan. 19, 1995. p. 30.
http://www.eye.net/Arts/Movies/Onscreen/1995/os0119b.htm
"Those Difficult, Murderous Teenage Years"
Frazer, Bryant
Deep Focus
http://www.panix.com/~bfrazer/flicker/heavenly.html
http://euphony.com:80/euphony/reviews/movie/HeavenlyCreatures-BF.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Gamberg, Heather
The Orion, Mar. 15, 1995.
http://orion.csuchico.edu:80/Archives/Volume34/Issue7/Entertainment/Gianbu'H
Cr.html
"Girls anything but 'Heavenly Creatures'
Glieberman, Owen
Entertainment Weekly, Nov. 25, 1994
http://pathfinder.com/@@d5tb@AYA6vS9wEa7/ew/941125/movies/vanya_heaven.html#
Heaven
"Angels With Dirty Secrets"
Graebner, Jeffrey
Euphony
http://euphony.com:80/euphony/reviews/movie/HeavenlyCreatures-JG.html
http://lasarto.cnde.iastate.edu/Movies/CultShop/movies/jackson/heavenly_crea
tures.3277
"Heavenly Creatures"
Grossman, Eric
Los Angeles Independent
http://lasarto.cnde.iastate.edu/Movies/CultShop/movies/jackson/heavenly_crea
tures.3120
"Heavenly Creatures"
Guthmann, Edward
San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 23, 1994. p. D1.
http://www.design.nl/filmlijst/reviews/heavenly.html
"Fascinating Study Of Teenage Killers"
Hoffman, Ben
Euphony
http://euphony.com/euphony/reviews/movie/HeavenlyCreatures-BH.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Iguide
http://www.iguide.com/movies/mopic/pictures/36/36564.htm
"Heavenly Creatures"
Jarvinen, Aki
Zinescope
http://www.uta.fi/~tlakja/heavenly.htm
"Heavenly Creatures"
Keogh, Tom
Film.com, Inc.
http://www.film.com/film/reviews/archives/keogh1994/heavenly.keogh.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Kirkland, Bruce
Toronto Sun
http://www.canoe.ca/JamMoviesReviews/heavenly.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Lyman, David
Film.com, Inc.
http://www.film.com/film/industry/interviews//heavenly.creatures.lyman.html
"The Man Behind Heavenly Creatures: An Interview with Peter Jackson"
Lyman, David
Film.com, Inc
http://www.film.com/film/industry/interviews//perry.interview.html
"True Crime: An Interview with Anne Perry"
Mosher's Movie Review Archive
http://www.brad.ac.uk/%7Eirpurdie/movies.html#heav
"Heavenly Creatures"
MovieNet
http://www.movienet.com/movienet/movinfo/heavenlycre.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Murray, John C
http://www.vicnet.net.au/vicnet/metro/heavenly.htm
"Heavenly Creatures"
Penfield III, Wilder
Toronto Sun
http://www.canoe.ca/JamBooksFeatures/perry_anne.html
"Murderess Ink"
Polk, Susan
http://
"Heavenly Creatures"
Pracsh, Tom
The Ryder Magazine, Mar. 3, 1995.
http://www.bluemarble.net/~theryder/march3/private.html
"Private Worlds: Nell and Heavenly Creatures"
Randall/Brown
The Dialy Beacon, Feb. 1, 1995.
http://beacon-www.asa.utk.edu/issues/v68/n15/movies.15a.html
"Heavenly Creatures worth seeing"
Ray, Amanda
Electronic Edition Technician, Jan. 11, 1995.
http://www2.ncsu.edu/ncsu/stud_pubs/Technician/issues/dec/jan_11_1995/Etc/2e
tc.html
"Two girls and `Heavenly' murder"
Renshaw, Scott
Stanford University
http://lasarto.cnde.iastate.edu/Movies/CultShop/movies/jackson/heavenly_crea
tures.3146
"Heavenly Creatures"
Roesch, Scott
Starwave.com, Apr. 17, 1996.
http://web3.starwave.com/showbiz/scoop/interview/perry.html
"The Green Room: Anne Perry"
Stichting Film Festival Rotterdam
http://www.fbk.eur.nl/FFR/catf/catpagf/k0057.html
"Film From OZ-New Zealand-Heavenly Creatures"
Sturm, David
Indispensible.com
http://indispensable.com/movies/heavenly.htm
"Heavenly Creatures"
Svihla, Kurt
http://www.spd.louisville.edu/~cksvih01/pumpkin/reviews/heavenly.html
"Heavenly Creatures"
Wainman, Corey
Hype!
http://www.hype.com/movies/reviews/heavenly.htm
"Heavenly Creatures"
Woodruff, Zachary
DesertNet, Apr. 13 - Apr. 19, 1995
http://desert.net/tw/04-13-95/cinema.htm
"Crazed Crime"
"Always ten steps behind, lybao@earthlink.net
Always ten feet below." -Stephen Sondheim.
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From: "Bao Ly" <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Absolut Nudity
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:46:12 -0700
In Digest heavenly-c.v001.n075.5, Jefferson F. Morris wrote:
I digress as usual. I think Kate's image is already such that a nude
scene here or there probably won't affect her career that much. She
might come to be seen as one of those serious and accomplished
actresses who coincidentally isn't afraid to shed a few garments here
and there (Like Lena Olin, or just about any French actress you can
name) Most of the roles she'll be offered, if they remain in the period
vein, won't have much call for it, and probably won't be targeted towards
adolescent male audiences anyway.
I agree with Jefferson--after seeing Kate Winslet in Heavenly Creatures and
Sense and Sensibility, I've put her on a pedestal. I don't feel that the
nudity scenes in Jude and Hamlet will make us love "Kate Winslet" more or
less. While it bothers me to think many will probably be asking John
Argentiero and Michaela Drapes about such--I am hoping it's not like that
at all. As always, I am one without opinions...
Baring All for England - Kate Winslet, the English actress who played a
wistful romantic in ``Sense and Sensibility,'' bares all as the
independent-minded heroine Sue Bridehead in ``Jude.'' It was her first nude
scene and she wasn't comfortable. ``It was awful,'' said Winslet, 20, who
tells People magazine she was so nervous she starved herself for a month
beforehand and ``went through all the paranoias: My bum's massive. My
breasts are saggy. I've got a spotty back... I can't do it.'' But she did,
telling herself the scene was ``a real turning point'' in the film based on
Thomas Hardy's 19th century novel Jude the Obscure. ``At the end of the
day, you forget that you're completely naked.''
"We are part of those great masses -tolstoy
ruined by the government." lybao@earthlink.net
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Absolut Nudity
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:02:35 -0600
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Bao Ly[SMTP:lybao@earthlink.net] wrote:
>I agree with Jefferson--after seeing Kate Winslet in Heavenly Creatures and
>Sense and Sensibility, I've put her on a pedestal. I don't feel that the
>nudity scenes in Jude and Hamlet will make us love "Kate Winslet" more or
>less. While it bothers me to think many will probably be asking John
>Argentiero and Michaela Drapes about such--I am hoping it's not like that
>at all. As always, I am one without opinions...
I can't even begin to count all the bloody crude mail I've got requesting pictures of Kate nude. Nauseating.
thanks for thinking of us poor keepers of the kate info, bao... (:
regards,
michaela
----
Michaela R. Drapes
oleanna@mail.utexas.edu michaela@cibola.net
http://www2.cibola.net/~michaela
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From: miranda.kaye@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Miranda Kaye)
Subject: Forgotten Silver
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:51:28 +1200 (NZST)
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On Wed, 24 July, MrS1fDstrc asked:
> . . . And does anyone out there know what
>that TV documentary Forgotten Silver, which Jackson co-wrote and co-directed,
>is about. Better yet, has anyone seen Forgotten Silver at one of the film
>festival's it's played at.
I saw the Jackson-Botes mock-umentary it when it was first screened in NZ
last year. It was the final in a 6 week long programme of NZ dramas on TV1.
It was billed as an immensely important documentary that outlined a
discovery of great historical and cultural significance. The doco described
how Peter Jackson had come into possession of old film stock made by a man
called Colin McKensie in the early part of this century. McKensie had
remained largely unknown to history, despite contributing many 'firsts' to
the development of film. Interviewed throughout were people like the head
of Miramax, well-known film critics, and actors like Sam Neill, all of whom
seemed blown away by Jackson's re-discovery of McKensie. Interspersed was
footage of McKensie's films, which showed him doing everything from
inventing colour stock to staging an epic film production in the wilds of
Southern NZ. NZ viewers watched in awe as the story of the young man from
Timaru unfolded, and the doco ended with McKensie's untimely demise in WWI.
The next morning, the country's newspapers broke the story that it
had been a hoax. Many had been in on it, including The Listener, who had
promoted the 'doco' with full-length articles on Jackson's phenomenal find,
and high-up TV executives. Some people didn't fall for it, but most - from
the furore and red faces that followed - did. Despite the fact that there
were *huge* flaws of logic, FORGOTTEN SILVER was executed so well, it
seemed to make sense. Frankly, FS is up there with HC for originality,
vision, and sheer creative abilty.
I have a small collection of NZ clippings related to FS, if anyone
is interested, and I'm happy to chat about it. I'd love to hear what those
who have seen it thought.
Miranda
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Absolut Nudity
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 02:44:05 -0400 (EDT)
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On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> I agree with Jefferson--after seeing Kate Winslet in Heavenly Creatures and
> Sense and Sensibility, I've put her on a pedestal. I don't feel that the
> nudity scenes in Jude and Hamlet will make us love "Kate Winslet" more or
> less.
I agree with anyone who agrees with me.
I think Ms. Winslet is safe. Hell, I just sat through 'A Kid in King
Arthur's Court.' In a scenario with more potential humiliation factor
than any nude scene you can possibly imagine, Kate hovers blissfully over
it all. She is quite clearly indestructible. Everyone else in the movie
might as well have been nude.
--Jefferson
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001 - kate ann jacobson <kjac@u - Kate Winslet pics
002 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Kate Winslet pics
003 - Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com - RE: Kate Winslet pics
004 - MrS1fDstrc@aol.com - Hi
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From: kate ann jacobson <kjac@unm.edu>
Subject: Kate Winslet pics
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:16:21 -0600 (MDT)
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For a long time I've had these pictures of Kate Winslet that I got
from foreign magazines, that I don't think have been scanned on John's or
Michaela's pages. I have access to a scanner, but the guy who works
here told me you can't send scans through email. If anyone has any advice
on how to send them, I'd be very happy to! I feel like Ebenezer Scrooge
having them only to myself. I've got everything from adorably winsome
to really wierd (standing on the roof of a castle in a sexy outfit holding
a knife), and in all of them, she has her clothes on. I've also got a
few short articles too, on "The Black Knight" (I liked that movie and I
don't care who knows it!)
- kate
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Kate Winslet pics
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 17:24:53 -0600
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> For a long time I've had these pictures of Kate Winslet that I got
> from foreign magazines, that I don't think have been scanned on =
John's or
> Michaela's pages. I have access to a scanner, but the guy who works=20
> here told me you can't send scans through email. If anyone has any =
advice
> on how to send them, I'd be very happy to!=20
Woo! Cool! (: You most certainly send them in the mail--if you have a =
pop mailer like Eudora, all you have to do is go to the option add =
attachment, or something similar. If you're on a unix based system =
using pine or elm, the process is similiar, but just requires that the =
files are in your home directory on the server. (Am I right here, =
people?)
Or, if worse comes to worse, we can meet halfway in Alamogordo (you are =
in Albuquerque, right?), and you can give them to me on a disk... (;
regards,
michaela, who is summering in El Paso... (:
----
Michaela R. Drapes
oleanna@mail.utexas.edu michaela@cibola.net
http://www2.cibola.net/~michaela
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From: Tim Baglio <raven@nas.com>
Subject: RE: Kate Winslet pics
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:54:40 +0000 (GMT)
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> attachment, or something similar. If you're on a unix based system
> using pine or elm, the process is similiar, but just requires that the
> files are in your home directory on the server. (Am I right here, people?)
Well, I'll spare the UNIX lecture and just tell you the facts.
For a layman mailing from pine, you should probably have the files in your
home directory (which is where you would upload them anyway, if you were a
layman). This does not restrict the sending of files in other directories,
however, as it only requires the typing in of the path to get them from
any directory. If you are sending via something like eudora, it shouldn't
matter anyway, since it works the same way. And the two are compatible,
meaning that you can send a file from pine to eudora or from eudora to
pine.
And now for my long answer....
_______________________________________________
| |
| Tim Baglio http://www.nas.com/~raven/ |
| raven@nas.com Bellingham, WA |
|_______________________________________________|
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From: MrS1fDstrc@aol.com
Subject: Hi
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 01:59:45 -0400
Hi everyone, I haven't posted anything to this list for a couple of
days, so this post is likely to be a little on the long side. Due to my
sudden interest in HC, and all things Peter Jackson, I watched HC twice more
this week bringing my total to 4 times. How many times have all of you
watched it? It still affects me the same way it did when I first saw it on
the Starz! movie channel about 2 months ago. The opening five minutes give
me chills. Anyway, I've been busy watching it, looking on the web for
anything on Peter Jackson and his films, and reading the HC FAQ (I'm only up
to page 70 so far).
"Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org> wrote about the filming of
King Kong:
>Of course, I'm of the opinion that Jackson should film the >entire thing at
Larpin lane in Alexandria Virginia. We've got >malls, supermarkets,
electricity, running water, and we're >just 20 minutes out of DC. There's a
Comfort Inn just down >the road, and I suppose if space gets cramped I
>could put up Kate Winslet at my place...
>
>(Allow me my absurdist fantasies, please.)
Hey, I think Peter Jackson should shoot it in Kansas City (where I live), and
Kate can stay with me for as long as she wants. Maybe she could even give me
a preview of her nude scenes in the upcoming Jude. Just kidding. Seriously
though, I don't think Kate's nude scenes will have any real affect on her
career. She's already been nominated for an Oscar, been named one of the 50
most beautiful people in the world, and she is involved in at least four
high-profile films (Titanic, King Kong, Hamlet, and of course Jude). Her
reputation is very strong and I don't think a nude scene will ruin it,
especially in a movie like Jude. Now if Kate had decided to bare all in a
movie more along the lines of say Showgirls, it may have had some effect on
her career.
plath3@his.com (Peter Latham) wrote:
>I am willing to believe that Peter Jackson could make King >Kong in such a
way as to create sympathy for Kong, the Fay >Wray character, the hysterical
crowd and/or the pilots who >attack Kong depending on his view of them.I am
ready to see >it.
>I think his greatest gift is getting inside the minds of >inexplicable
people. Like a good lawyer, he can make the >unspeakable seem eloquent.
>I hope he will continue in the direction of HC and demonstrate >for us the
psyches of famous criminals and the reasons for >their crimes.
I agree with you. Jackson said that one of the main reasons he wanted to do
Heavenly Creatures was to show a different side to the Parker-Hulme case. As
he said in some interview, there were several other films based on the case
that were in the works. All the other films were basically just cheap
exploitation that didn't try to understand why the events occurred, but
instead showed the same side of thee case everyone had seen for years: that
the girls were evil, psychotic, and deserved to die. Although, I'm not sure
that that will be the way he'll go with Kong. I also hope that after King
Kong Jackson returns to something similar to HC instead of going out and
making another horror movie right away.
miranda.kaye@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Miranda Kaye) wrote:
>I have a small collection of NZ clippings related to FS, if >anyone is
interested, and I'm happy to chat about it. I'd love to >hear what those who
have seen it thought.
I would love any information you could send about Forgotten Silver as I have
heard almost nothing else about it. I was wondering if anyone knows about
the U.S. release of this film. I know that it's been playing at film
festivals, but here in Kansas City we don't exactly get a lot of big film
festivals. I was wondering if any wider release (maybe by Miramax) was
planned. If not, does anyone know when it might be available on video. I am
also still trying to locate a place to rent Bad Taste and Meet The Feebles if
anyone knows any more about that.
-Thanx
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001 - "Chris Black" <qleap@inte - Re: Absolut Nudity
002 - "Chris Black" <qleap@inte - Re: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
003 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
--------------- MESSAGE heavenly-c.v001.n078.1 ---------------
From: "Chris Black" <qleap@interl.net>
Subject: Re: Absolut Nudity
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:01:18 +0000
>
> I agree with anyone who agrees with me.
>
> I think Ms. Winslet is safe. Hell, I just sat through 'A Kid in King
> Arthur's Court.' In a scenario with more potential humiliation factor
> than any nude scene you can possibly imagine, Kate hovers blissfully over
> it all. She is quite clearly indestructible. Everyone else in the movie
> might as well have been nude.
>
Heh, if everyone in 'A Kid in King Arthur's Court' was nude, it
would have been a more interesting take on the story then what there
was. Although what do I know, all I did was fast forward to the
scenes with Kate. :-)
--Chris (who just got back from Cedar Point and is quite tired)
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From: "Chris Black" <qleap@interl.net>
Subject: Re: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:12:58 +0000
> Yes, and King Kong too!
Umm, has Kate signed on for King Kong yet? As of last week no actress
had been signed, and Peter Jackson has only said he'd like to haver
her in the film. :-)
--Chris
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Mel in Frighteners/Winslet's Absolutely Nude
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 20:32:20 -0600
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Chris Black[SMTP:qleap@interl.net] wrote:
>Umm, has Kate signed on for King Kong yet? As of last week no actress
>had been signed, and Peter Jackson has only said he'd like to haver
>her in the film. :-)
Word up is that she has--but I'm not going to belive it until I hear it from an 'official' source. (:
-michaela
----
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001 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Kate in King Arthur's Court
002 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Jackson in the Post
003 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Kate in King Arthur's Court
004 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - RE: Kate in King Arthur's Court
005 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: Kate Winslet pics
006 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Kate Winslet pics
007 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - RE: Kate in King Arthur's Court
008 - magic <magic@cybrtyme.com - Re: Kate in King Arthur's Court
009 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - HC Screening
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Kate in King Arthur's Court
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:13:57 -0400 (EDT)
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On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Chris Black wrote:
> Heh, if everyone in 'A Kid in King Arthur's Court' was nude, it
> would have been a more interesting take on the story then what there
> was. Although what do I know, all I did was fast forward to the
> scenes with Kate. :-)
I was sorely tempted to to do this. For some reason I was under the
impression that her role was only a one-scene cameo, so I figured the
chapter stops on the laserdisc were going to be labeled along the
following lines:
Chapter 1 : Some shit happens.
Chapter 2 : KATE!!
Chapter 3 : More shit.
I was happily surprised to see that she had an honest-to-God role, and
would therefore appear in a number of scenes. So I figured I'd better
watch the whole thing, for fear of missing anything.
I must say that her presence threw the film into a sort of imbalance.
The main goal of the villain was to marry her, and that made me identify
with him more than anyone else. Hell, I'd stop at nothing. Compared to
her, the lower classes seemed dridfully dull.
--Jefferson
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Jackson in the Post
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:44:31 -0400 (EDT)
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There's an article on Peter Jackson in the 'Arts' section of Sunday's
Washington Post, in case anyone's interested. I haven't read it yet. If
it's interesting enough to comment on, I'll do so later.
--Jefferson
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Kate in King Arthur's Court
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 00:25:46 -0600
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On Sunday, July 28, 1996 5:13 PM, Jefferson F. =
Morris[SMTP:jfmorris@CapAccess.org] wrote:
>For some reason I was under the=20
>impression that her role was only a one-scene cameo, so I figured the=20
>chapter stops on the laserdisc were going to be labeled along the
>following lines:
>
>Chapter 1 : Some shit happens.
>
>Chapter 2 : KATE!!
>
>Chapter 3 : More shit.
Ha! (:
I watched this movie with my 8 year old sister (you know, she's in the =
age group it was aimed at...she was a great cover). She enjoyed it, and =
I rather liked the role Kate played...looking at it from a little girl =
standpoint, the 'surprise' ending has a really great message for =
pre-adolsecent girls, which I suppose saves the film from eating itself, =
and gives it some measure of merit. (besides the fact that we get to =
see Kate dressed as we all imagined Deborah would be... (: )
>I must say that her presence threw the film into a sort of imbalance. =20
>The main goal of the villain was to marry her, and that made me =
identify=20
>with him more than anyone else. Hell, I'd stop at nothing. Compared =
to=20
>her, the lower classes seemed dridfully dull.
I thought overall, that the best performances of the film were turned in =
by Kate and the guy who played the villian (dubbed 'that purple guy' by =
my sister because of the pervasiveness of that colour in his attire). I =
didn't really pay attention to the lame comedy that composed the rest of =
the film.
Overall, if you haven't seen this film, and are a die hard Kate fan, do =
see it... You probably will hate 75% of it, but seeing Kate in some =
really great costumes and watching her chew the scenery out from under =
the rest of the cast is a trip! (: Just shows you what a fantastic =
actress she really is.
regards,
michaela
----
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oleanna@mail.utexas.edu michaela@cibola.net
http://www2.cibola.net/~michaela
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: RE: Kate in King Arthur's Court
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:45:18 -0400 (EDT)
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On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Michaela Rhea Drapes wrote:
> I watched this movie with my 8 year old sister (you know, she's in the
> age group it was aimed at...she was a great cover). She enjoyed it,
> and I rather liked the role Kate played...looking at it from a little girl
> standpoint, the 'surprise' ending has a really great message for
> pre-adolsecent girls, which I suppose saves the film from eating itself,
> and gives it some measure of merit. (besides the fact that we get to
> see Kate dressed as we all imagined Deborah would be... (: ) >
[Possible SPOILER]
That little revelation at the end was the closest thing to a surprise the
film held for me, though I suppose I should have seen it coming. And as
you pointed out, it's a nice message. (Though the main message of the
scene for me was, "Damn, the girl even looks good in black plate mail armor."
> I thought overall, that the best performances of the film were turned in
> by Kate and the guy who played the villian (dubbed 'that purple guy' by
> my sister because of the pervasiveness of that colour in his attire).
The purple guy would be Art Malik, who also played the baddie in 'True
Lies.' I've also seen him from time to time on various 'Masterpiece
Theatre' series.' Wasn't he in "I, Claudius" way back when?
> Overall, if you haven't seen this film, and are a die hard Kate fan, do
> see it...
Agreed. Though if you're like me, you may have some explaining to do
with your friends at the video store. They sure did look at me funny
when I brought the disc to the counter. I considered renting some
pornography along with it, just as a counterbalance, but when I explained
that Kate was in the film, they understood.
--Jefferson
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Kate Winslet pics
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:53:46 -0400 (EDT)
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On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, kate ann jacobson wrote:
> For a long time I've had these pictures of Kate Winslet that I got
> from foreign magazines, that I don't think have been scanned on John's or
> Michaela's pages. I have access to a scanner, but the guy who works
> here told me you can't send scans through email. If anyone has any advice
> on how to send them, I'd be very happy to!
I see you've already gotten some good advice. Even if your mail doesn't
support attachments, you can still uu-encode or base64-encode the files
manually (the decoders are readily available on the web), then upload the
text files and send them on. This is how I send pics to John's Kate page.
He just decodes them manually on the other end.
> I feel like Ebenezer Scrooge
> having them only to myself. I've got everything from adorably winsome
> to really wierd (standing on the roof of a castle in a sexy outfit holding
> a knife), and in all of them, she has her clothes on.
For the love of humanity, these pics must be shared with the world ASAP.
Thank you for your pains.
--Jefferson
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Kate Winslet pics
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:00:13 -0600
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>For the love of humanity, these pics must be shared with the world ASAP.
>Thank you for your pains.
Don't worry Jefferson, I have them in hand, and they'll be up soon, I
promise. Just have to do a little 'Michaela Graphics Magic' to them,
like removing text and stuff. Y'all will be the first to know.
regards,
michaela
----
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'Angry Chick' dissed, think about how the American
media portrays our current First Lady."
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Kate in King Arthur's Court
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:27:46 -0600
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On Monday, July 29, 1996 4:45 AM, Jefferson F. Morris[SMTP:jfmorris@CapAccess.org] wrote:
>[Possible SPOILER]
>
>That little revelation at the end was the closest thing to a surprise the
>film held for me, though I suppose I should have seen it coming. And as
>you pointed out, it's a nice message. (Though the main message of the
>scene for me was, "Damn, the girl even looks good in black plate mail armor."
Well, dear, you're not an 8-year-old girl...I should hope you'd have such a reaction... (:
Mostly I just thought, "Damn, I want her *hair*!" (:
>The purple guy would be Art Malik, who also played the baddie in 'True
>Lies.' I've also seen him from time to time on various 'Masterpiece
>Theatre' series.' Wasn't he in "I, Claudius" way back when?
Drat! I can't find my monster Masterpiece Theater book...but wasn't just like, every pretty good British
actor in it? (: He's not listed in the IMDb for it, but he was in 'Jewel in the Crown' so...
>> Overall, if you haven't seen this film, and are a die hard Kate fan, do
>> see it...
>
>Agreed. Though if you're like me, you may have some explaining to do
>with your friends at the video store. They sure did look at me funny
>when I brought the disc to the counter. I considered renting some
>pornography along with it, just as a counterbalance, but when I explained
>that Kate was in the film, they understood.
Always good to have such understanding friends... (:
regards,
michaela
----
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oleanna@mail.utexas.edu michaela@cibola.net
http://www2.cibola.net/~michaela
"When you hear Alanis Morrissette - or any other
'Angry Chick' dissed, think about how the American
media portrays our current First Lady."
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From: magic <magic@cybrtyme.com>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:11:58 -0700
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Michaela Rhea Drapes wrote:
>
> On Monday, July 29, 1996 4:45 AM, Jefferson F. Morris[SMTP:jfmorris@CapAccess.org] wrote:
>
> >[Possible SPOILER]
> >
> >That little revelation at the end was the closest thing to a surprise the
> >film held for me, though I suppose I should have seen it coming. And as
> >you pointed out, it's a nice message. (Though the main message of the
> >scene for me was, "Damn, the girl even looks good in black plate mail armor."
>
> Well, dear, you're not an 8-year-old girl...I should hope you'd have such a reaction... (:
> Mostly I just thought, "Damn, I want her *hair*!" (:
>
> >The purple guy would be Art Malik, who also played the baddie in 'True
> >Lies.' I've also seen him from time to time on various 'Masterpiece
> >Theatre' series.' Wasn't he in "I, Claudius" way back when?
>
> Drat! I can't find my monster Masterpiece Theater book...but wasn't just like, every pretty good British
> actor in it? (: He's not listed in the IMDb for it, but he was in 'Jewel in the Crown' so...
>
> >> Overall, if you haven't seen this film, and are a die hard Kate fan, do
> >> see it...
> >
> >Agreed. Though if you're like me, you may have some explaining to do
> >with your friends at the video store. They sure did look at me funny
> >when I brought the disc to the counter. I considered renting some
> >pornography along with it, just as a counterbalance, but when I explained
> >that Kate was in the film, they understood.
>
> Always good to have such understanding friends... (:
>
> regards,
> michaela
> ----
> Michaela R. Drapes
> oleanna@mail.utexas.edu michaela@cibola.net
> http://www2.cibola.net/~michaela
> "When you hear Alanis Morrissette - or any other
> 'Angry Chick' dissed, think about how the American
> media portrays our current First Lady."
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From: 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.UniSA.edu.au
Subject: HC Screening
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:55:03 +0930
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Hi all -
I just want to tell you all that it's my birthday next Monday and,
to celebrate the occasion, some friends are coming around 'to watch a
video' (my choice). They haven't a clue... ;-)
Shannon <9506148V@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
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001 - Donald Chin <donaldc@nets - HC screening on Australian cable TV...
002 - "P.G. West" <pgw16@hermes - I am actually from England...
003 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - The Frighteners' Box Office Numbers
004 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: The Frighteners' Box Office Numbers
005 - kate ann jacobson <kjac@u - Into the Woods
006 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: Into the Woods
007 - Magic <magic@cybrtyme.com - unsubscribing
008 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Re: unsubscribing
009 - Magic <magic@cybrtyme.com - Re: unsubscribing
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From: Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
Subject: HC screening on Australian cable TV...
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:57:11 +1000
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Hi,
I just got the latest Optus Vision programme guide for August. Heavenly
Creatures is listed to screen 6 times during August (on the 10, 14, 15, 23,
27 and 28). Interestingly, there are three different running lengths for
the showings, a 100 minutes, 105 minutes and 120 minutes. Given that Optus
Vision only has a break in the movie about half way through, Optus Vision
may show all three cuts of the film (Aus/UK, US and NZ). Anyway, I will
tape them and see how they differ.
I am glad some of you enjoyed that Meanjin article! It was my pleasure in
typing it in. If anyone would like a copy of the article as a Microsoft
Word 5.1 format, I can email one out.
Regards, Donald
--
Donald Chin <donaldc@netspace.net.au>
"Lost somewhere in Australia...
and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"
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From: "P.G. West" <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: I am actually from England...
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:57:09 +0100 (BST)
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Hello all,
How odd -- yet how pleasing to find that I am not the only MAD person out
there, and that so many of you have found HC as thrilling and compulsive
as I have.
A brief introduction... (nothing about Kate and castles, I'm afraid). I
am a 24-year old Ph.D. student at Selwyn College, Cambridge (making me
actually from England), who got caught up in all this HC delightfulness
about two months ago when I saw the film for the first time - albeit on
video, and the dreaded pan/scan at that. Heaven only knows what a full
screen viewing would have done to me, as it was quite overwhelming enough
on a TV screen. I seem to remember shaking for a long time afterwards.
I suppose you can guess the rest, since your comments have been uncannily
close to my own experience (has somebody been reading my diary?). I had
done quite a lot of library-based research into the Parker/Hulme case
before I found the Holy Scriptures (we give praise to Mr. Porter) and then
HeavenlyWeb (truly wonderful, heavenly, beautiful!), which saved a lot of
time finding everything out. Following all your exhortations to see HC on
the big screen, I at last found a showing in London last weekend, and can
only describe the journey to see it as a pilgrimage! Well, you were all
right, I must say. It was superb. As well as the cinematography and
sound, which I had expected would be superior, it was the sheer brilliance
of the performances which grabbed me. And suddenly those full screen
shots of burning brown eyes and icy grey eyes came wonderfully alive...
'Tingles' barely begins to describe the sensation!
That's quite enough for a novice, sorry to ramble (so good to talk to
people who like the film - my friends think I'm bananas. They
sniff, Henry Hulme-like, at HC, as if it is something rather distasteful.
Bloody fools...That'll teach me to hang around with Cambridge academics.)
Has anyone else seen the long interview with Anne Perry in The Guardian,
29 June? (Apologies if you have been discussing it). It has some very
interesting snippets of new stuff, and some sad moments, too.
And by the way, that 'up the duff' correspondence you had in May was
absolutely hysterical. In my best BBC voice, I assure you, as one who has
known the expression for decades, that in England, it has never had
anything to do with anything apart from pregnancy! -- 'Push!!!!'
- Yours frightfully romantically,
Phil West
pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk
'...we spent most of our time in the dark making up dirty little jingles.'
(PYP, 6 April 1954)
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: The Frighteners' Box Office Numbers
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:18:29 -0700
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The Frighteners' box office number has dropped from #5 last week to #11
this week! Only after 10 days of its release, our beloved Mr. Jackson's
1st feature after "YOU KNOW WHAT" Heavenly Creatures seems to be getting
mixed reviews from both the critics and its viewers. While HC was a
'polarizing' movie like The Frighteners, The Frighteners seems to be
polarizing at both ends. By that, I mean Heavenly Creatures has won many
critical acclaims, including a Best Screenplay for Jackson and Walsh,
even though some people like it, and some folks just couldn't hold their
cup of tea. 'The Frighteners' seems to be shakin' everybody's heads and
fingers at one another..but who cares about all that, right?, FBI Agent
Dammers' haircut is worth seeing! IMHO.
"The Frighteners" is expected to be in New Zealand cinemas on October
11.
http://www.mrshowbiz.com/numbers/film/
http://www.press.co.nz/061596/96061116.htm
p.s. I believe there were discussion on how to get the UNCUT version of
Braindead (aka Dead-Alive):
http://www.fetching.com/at/toc.htm
http://www.fetching.com/at/inventor/dirdir/jack.htm
e-mail: art&trash@fetching.com
Also: I know that Tower Records/Videos carry 'Meet The Feebles' and
'Bad Taste'. I think Thai also mentioned acquiring 'Bad Taste' at the
Wherehouse. Sorry for the disarray of informations, I am in the
process for doing some searches on the Internet regarding Peter
Jackson...just thought I cued in the above.
p.s.s. Bryan, can you take me off the digest? Where have you been? I
will subscribe to the regular mailing list in fifty-seven blows. And to
all, please come to hcmush later this weekend? [!]
--
"Better well-hanged than ill-wed"
lybao@earthlink.net -Shakespeare.
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: The Frighteners' Box Office Numbers
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
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On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Bao Ly wrote:
> The Frighteners' box office number has dropped from #5 last week to #11
> this week!
This isn't particularly surprising to me. From the beginning, it was one
of those films that was going to need good reviews to really spark
interest among the commoners. With the reviews being mixed...c'est la
vie/guerre.
After reading Hal Hinson's interview with Jackson in Sunday's Washington
Post, it's a pity that Hinson didn't review the picture in the Style
section rather than Rita Kempley. Hinson apparently loved it. Kempley
didn't.
Even more unfortunate is that apparently Jackson was in Georgetown for
the interview. He was no more than a half hour from my house, which for
a person who lives in Alexandria, Virginia, is a rather rare thing. Just
think, I could have randomly walked into a Georgetown restaurant, seen this
grizzled, portly guy sitting in a corner, and said, "Hey...isn't that...?"
--Jefferson
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From: kate ann jacobson <kjac@unm.edu>
Subject: Into the Woods
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:09:43 -0600 (MDT)
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Is there any significance to the fact that there are two times
characters go to the woods in HC, and the first time results in a fake
death (Pauline) and the second time results in a real death (her mother).
The first time Juliet cries, "No, don't" as Pauline is "dying", and the
second time Honora screams, "No, don't!" (I think, doesn't she?) as she
is being murdered. And when Paul arises from the dead, it leads to a
dance, and their first kiss, and a closer bonding of their friendship.
And when Honora doesn't arise from the dead, it leads to their separation?
"What is it about these woods?"
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kate ann jacobson wrote:
>
> Is there any significance to the fact that there are two times
> characters go to the woods in HC, and the first time results in a fake
> death (Pauline) and the second time results in a real death (her mother).
> The first time Juliet cries, "No, don't" as Pauline is "dying", and the
> second time Honora screams, "No, don't!" (I think, doesn't she?) as she
> is being murdered. And when Paul arises from the dead, it leads to a
> dance, and their first kiss, and a closer bonding of their friendship.
> And when Honora doesn't arise from the dead, it leads to their separation?
>
> "What is it about these woods?"
>
Aghh, I love this title! -kate, In short, I believe the woods represent
a wish-fulfillment, both of love and death. "The woods are a dominant
symbol. They are not the traditional pastoral forest, but are
threatening, scary and perilous." Moreover, I believe the woods are
representative of the transition between Paul and Julie's innocent,
childhood crushes to their maturing, obstacle-transcending matricide.
"Like adolescence, they are scary and filled with angst, emerging
sexuality, self-discovery and definition, and even death," Don Whittaker
said in an essay on Stephen Sondheim's 'Into The Wood'. You are damn
clever! I ask you, is Juliet "Sensitive, clever, well-manner,
considerate, passionate, charming as she's pretty, as wild as she's
rich, is she everything Pauline ever wanted?"
--
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Once Upon a Time to...
Happily Ever After
-lybao@earthlink.net
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please unsubscribe me from this infernal list or tell me how to do it
myself. thanks
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Magic wrote:
> please unsubscribe me from this infernal list or tell me how to do it
> myself. thanks
Infernal? But we're not grim, are we? Ah, I see that the per-postings
is kicking in already! :)
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Bao Ly wrote:
>
> Magic wrote:
>
> > please unsubscribe me from this infernal list or tell me how to do it
> > myself. thanks
>
> Infernal? But we're not grim, are we? Ah, I see that the per-postings
> is kicking in already! :)
>
> --
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> reason..." -Pauline Parker. lybao@earthlink.net
sorry..didn't mean to be insulting...I just need off the list please
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001 - mailcall <mailcall@kiva.n - "into the woods..."
002 - marth@maine.maine.edu (Na - Re: "into the woods..."
003 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: I am actually from England...
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006 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: "into the woods..."
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From: mailcall <mailcall@kiva.net>
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: The first time Juliet cries, "No, don't" as Pauline is "dying", and the
: second time Honora screams, "No, don't!" (I think, doesn't she?)
she says a lot of things, including "oh darling, no, please!" if you
listen with a headset it's really heartbreaking. you can just barely
make it out. honora is not only screaming in pain, she is grieving
that her child would do this to her -- she sounds almost like she's
sorrier and more frightened for pauline than she is for herself. (as
in pauline must be really, really sick, even worse than dr. bennett
said). sarah peirse should win an award. she really, really should.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:37:08 -0700
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>said). sarah peirse should win an award. she really, really should.
I agree wholeheartedly. She was fantastic in that role. That ending scene
was awful enough to *see*, but it was even worse to *hear* those moans of
Honora. Another extremely well-acted scene was when Honora starts to cry
uncontrollably (which sounds similar to her moans at the end) after Mr.
Reiper asks Mrs. Hulme if he could telephone her later (Honora says that
Pauline hasn't spoken to her in nearly two weeks). The viewer can't help
but feel pity towards Honora, especially when her feet assume such a
"helpless" arrangement (this sounds strange but it adds to her pitiful
image).
Does anyone know any other videos (besides "The Navigator") or even British
shows where I might catch Sarah Pierse here in the US?
Nancy
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Nancy J. Marth
Spatial Odyssey
Raymond H. Fogler Library/NCGIA
University of Maine
Tel: 207-581-1634, Fax: 207-581-1653
SO homepage: http://www.odyssey.maine.edu/gisweb
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: I am actually from England...
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:15:23 -0400 (EDT)
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On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, P.G. West wrote:
> That's quite enough for a novice, sorry to ramble (so good to talk to
> people who like the film - my friends think I'm bananas.
A common experience. My friends think I'm slightly odd in general, so
they take my obsessions in stride. I've only managed to turn one friend
on to the film completely, and that was quite gratifying. But our
thought processes are almost exactly alike, so that's not surprising.
As I've said on the list before, most people seem to like or admire HC in
some way, but it takes a certain temperament and sensibility to truly
love it. To go absolutely bug-fuck crazy for it. For it to become part
of your life.
I just remember thinking to myself upon first seeing it (alone, in my
room, on laser), "This is incredible. Why can't all movies be like
this?" But I suppose the fact that they aren't all like this (not even
close) is what makes it special. Jackson seemingly directs the film the way
Nabokov seemingly wrote 'Lolita'--in a mad, delirious, heaven-sent rush
of inspiration.
After watching the disc, I immediately made a tape of it, and went to the
trouble of laser-printing a nice label for it too. Then I watched the
tape again the next day (I found I couldn't start watching without
sitting through the whole thing), realized that the tape wasn't going to
cut it, and promptly special-ordered the disc (which took an agonizing
month to arrive).
I don't know where this message is going, so I'm just going to stop. You
get the picture, anyway. Cool movie. Welcome.
--Jefferson
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From: marth@maine.maine.edu (Nancy Marth)
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:16:41 -0700
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>As I've said on the list before, most people seem to like or admire HC in
>some way, but it takes a certain temperament and sensibility to truly
>love it. To go absolutely bug-fuck crazy for it. For it to become part
>of your life.
>
So, what is it about those of us who have become obsessed with this film??
Do we all have some particular trait in common? For instance, do we have a
hidden capacity to become "stark raving mad"?!! Maybe it's the lure of
becoming so involved in something (like the girls did with Borovnia) and
losing the real sense of self that is appealing. (But I'm not the D&D
type). Or is it the fascinating thought of relating to another being in a
way that they bring out and exercise a brilliantly creative side of
yourself so that it becomes a totally inebriating experience to be with
that person.
Aw, heck, I don't know, but it's interesting to look at a group of people
psychoanalytically to see why they act/think as they do--ah, I think this
is called sociology!
Nancy
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From: marth@maine.maine.edu (Nancy Marth)
Subject: Re: I am actually from England...
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:28:40 -0700
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Oops, I'm not implying that people who play D&D loose their sense of self.
It was only an example of a play-acting game where that could happen.
>losing the real sense of self that is appealing. (But I'm not the D&D
>type).
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Nancy J. Marth
Spatial Odyssey
Raymond H. Fogler Library/NCGIA
University of Maine
Tel: 207-581-1634, Fax: 207-581-1653
SO homepage: http://www.odyssey.maine.edu/gisweb
NJM's homepage:
http://www.umesve.maine.edu/studentbios/marth/marth.html
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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, mailcall wrote:
> said). sarah peirse should win an award. she really, really should.
Well, she did:
New Zealand Film Awards (1995):
Best Director (Jackson)
Best Actress (Lynskey)
Best Supporting Actress (Peirse)
Peirse is a well known actor in NZ, but I don't know of anything she's
done which would be widely available, apart from The Navigator.
cheers
sb
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001 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - The Frighteners' Soundtrack
002 - adamabr@mail.helix.net (a - Kate: Out of the Past!
003 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Art & Trash Video and Laserdisc
004 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - Re: Kate: Out of the Past!
005 - Angel Salguero <salguero@ - Actually, I'm from Spain
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I found a cool site: you can read; you can download the CD cover; you
can also listen to "Doom" from The Frighteners' Soundtrack in RealAudio.
It's Creepy, Scary and Frightening. It's Danny Elfman...
http://www.movietunes.com/soundtracks/1996/frighteners/
The new beat generation is kewl. Jack Kerouac is kewl. Douglas Coupland
is kewl. Allen Ginsberg is kewl. Everybody's kewl as a William
Burrough's novel! Kate Winslet is kewl. Melanie Lynskey is kewl.
Everybody's kewl as a Burmese cat. -lybao@earthlink.net
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From: adamabr@mail.helix.net (adam abrams)
Subject: Kate: Out of the Past!
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 02:09:08 -0800
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Well, I haven't contributed to the list in a while, and I feel darned
guilty about it, so I'm compelled to share this random observation.
Has anyone noticed that our beloved Kate Winslet has only appeared in
period-piece roles? 1950's (HC), Middle Ages (Kid in King Arthur's Court),
18th C. (S&S). Coming up: Jude, Hamlet, Titanic, and possibly that 30's
classic King Kong. Not one contemporary role in the bunch!
Not that I mind one way or the other. In fact, I rather like this trend.
The romantic / romanticized past seems to suit her graceful and elegant
demeanour quite nicely.
Anyway, there's my thought du jour!
Adam
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From: Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.net>
Subject: Art & Trash Video and Laserdisc
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 12:03:29 -0700
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Regarding my earlier post on sources to acquire Peter Jackson's earlier
films and more specifically, the UNCUT version of Braindead--after
*carefully* reading the entire site over, I have determined that it's
not available for sale.
"We no longer do mail order sales. Sorry." -it said.
Damn those people, why do they have to make everything so confusing!
Sorry about that folks.
Welcome to Borovnia! lybao@earthlink.net
http://www.reflection.org/heavenly -brye, brye!
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Kate: Out of the Past!
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:43:34 -0400 (EDT)
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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, adam abrams wrote:
> Has anyone noticed that our beloved Kate Winslet has only appeared in
> period-piece roles? 1950's (HC), Middle Ages (Kid in King Arthur's Court),
> 18th C. (S&S). Coming up: Jude, Hamlet, Titanic, and possibly that 30's
> classic King Kong. Not one contemporary role in the bunch!
There's very little about Kate Winslet that I haven't noticed. She
addresses the issue in an old pre-Oscar interview in Entertainment Weekly
(available, with the pic, on John's Kate page). She did express the
desire to do something very American and contemporary at some point.
With 'Titanic,' she'll at least be doing something big and American, but
not contemporary. I guess HC is the closest she's gotten so far.
Of course, I hope she doesn't get typecast in any particular kind of
role, but if she does, it's not the worst way to be typecast. It's a lot
better than being consigned to cinematic blonde bimbo-dom. But of
course, she was never in danger of that. Her onscreen presence and poise
is simply too distinctive and memorable. What do they say? "Not just
another pretty face."
(Personal wish: I'd like to see her in one of the next Star Wars films,
as some kind of exotic alien princess. People with British accents
tend to be the bad guys in Star Wars, but I suppose Lucas could make an
exception here. Peter Jackson to direct, of course.)
--Jeffersn
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From: Angel Salguero <salguero@lander.es>
Subject: Actually, I'm from Spain
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 23:36:34 +0200
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Hi there
I think it's time I step out of lurking mode to say a few words about
myself. My name is Angel, I live in Valencia (Spain) and have just seen
HC for the second time. The first time, I saw it dubbed in Spanish
-nearly 99% of all international movies are shown dubbed: we seldom get
to hear the original voices of non-spanish actors. Nevertheless, I loved
the film and didn't stop 'til I could get a tape of it in English, which
finally I have just seen.
I wonder what it is about this movie that attracts people in such a
passionate way. In my case, it's the need to feel attached to someone,
to find that perfect person to share your dreams and hopes with, a need
so burning in adolescence, and perfectly portrayed by Peter Jackson. He
also leads us masterfully into the minds of the two girls and shows us
what can happen when things are taken to the extreme. I find the camera
work amazing, with many scenes shot in a frenzied, dynamic way and from
unusual angles, trying to recapture the flights of imagination of
Pauline and Juliet. There are so many things I like about this film that
I could go on for hours, but I'll stop... Thanks for reading through my
ramblings.
By the way, my father has always been a fan of Mario Lanza. We have
several of his old records and, through the years, I've really grown
fond of his music...
Angel
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001 - plath3@his.com (Peter Lat - Re: Winslet Period Pieces
002 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - Mush is making gush
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From: plath3@his.com (Peter Latham)
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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:56:00 -0500
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I noticed the prevalence of Winslet period pieces. I suspect Ms. Winslet
would also excell at film noir roles such as Bridget O-Shaughnessy of
Maltese Falcon fame.But then I guess you could argue that film noir is tied
to a period other than our own.
Peter S. Latham
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Hi everyone,
I found a filmography of Peter Jackson recently at iguide which states
he was an associate producer of "Night Fire" (1994). Now is this a Peter
Jackson trivia or what? hum... The new "American Cinematographer" (Aug.
1996) has The Frighteners in it. It features the behind the scenes look
at The Frighteners and how the CG special effects was done for various
scenes. It also briefly mentioned future plans on how to create King
Kong for Peter Jackson=92s next project.
My personal wish is for Kate Winslet to play Rapunzel in the upcoming
Hollywood version of Stephen Sondheim=92s "Into the Woods". I can see it
now...she's high up in a tower, waiting by the hour, while mantaining
her hair...Aaaahahhahaahh, what unbearable bliss!=20
Is Heavenly Mush down again today? or more specifically, for the
weekend! "...imaginations makes us human and makes us fools; it gives us
all the world and exiles us from it." Just bring your records okay?
--
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror,
murder, bloodshed--they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the
Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years
of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock!"
Orson Welles, "The Third Man." -lybao@earthlink.net
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001 - Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.o - Re: Absolut Nudity
002 - mailcall <mailcall@kiva.n - Re: Mush is making gush
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>I think Ms. Winslet is safe. Hell, I just sat through 'A Kid in King
>Arthur's Court.' In a scenario with more potential humiliation factor
>than any nude scene you can possibly imagine, Kate hovers blissfully over
>it all. She is quite clearly indestructible. Everyone else in the movie
>might as well have been nude.
Now that would be a nice thing to see from a Disney movie.. : )
I was wondering about A Kid In King Arthur's Court.. I have a free rental
coupon, so was pondering whether to throw it away on it.. How long is Kate
onscreen? I guess it can't be a bad exchange, free to see Kate.
-Thai
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It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
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: Is Heavenly Mush down again today? or more specifically, for the
: weekend!
it was up a few minutes ago when i dashed in to check it. looks fine.
it does go down periodically and the people who run the server it is
on know this happens, and they are trying to find out why. if you
cannot get into living fiction, just keep trying.
they're really getting to me. there's an episode in "star trek: the
next generation" where deanna is attempting to explain the thinking of
an alien race that communicates in metaphors, using their myths and
legends as reference points. she says "it's as if i were to say to
you: juliet on her balcony." the doctor replies "an image of romance."
is that "sono andati" i hear playing in the background? boy, talk
about mixing your metaphors. cya at #29454.
mela
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001 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - What are we all doing here?
002 - "Jefferson F. Morris" <jf - RE: Absolut Nudity
003 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - They're really getting to me, too!
004 - Bao Ly <lybao@earthlink.n - They're really getting to me, three!
005 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - HC Credits
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From: "Jefferson F. Morris" <jfmorris@CapAccess.org>
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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Nancy wrote:
> So, what is it about those of us who have become obsessed with this film??
> Do we all have some particular trait in common? For instance, do we have a
> hidden capacity to become "stark raving mad"?!! Maybe it's the lure of
> becoming so involved in something (like the girls did with Borovnia) and
> losing the real sense of self that is appealing.
All of the above, probably. I think we all find the thought of losing
ourselves in some romantic fantasy world appealing. We fall in love with
Paul and Juliet's world just as they fall in love with each other.
Perhaps what's so powerful to us are the creative/destructive forces in
their relationship. This isn't an ordinary friendship or love affair.
They don't just swoon over each other or giggle at boys together. All
the powerful (sometimes dark) forces in their personalities are brought
to full bear. Perhaps when we're watching the film, we begin to wonder
about our own potentialities. Would we be capable of losing ourselves,
of losing all other earthly attachments for the sake of one person and
the amazing world you've jointly created? I've never experienced this
myself, but the movie makes it all seem frightfully plausible.
Paul and Juliet react like volatile chemicals when they
come in contact with each other. The results are giddy and
spectacular for a while, until they turn tragic. The girls are best
friends, occasionally lovers, and even more than
that. They fit each other too well, serving each others psychological
needs to such a degree that not only are other people superfluous,
they're downright irritating. We might call it a terrifying joint ego trip.
I suppose that we get so wrapped up in the girls' world (and Jackson
takes us to deeply, so thrillingly inside it) that we feel like a third
party in the relationship. We don't want their world or their friendship
to end any more than they do. When Juliet leaves Paul on the dock at the
end, in a sense, we're on the dock too. We're watching Paul, Juliet, the
Fourth World, and all their other dreams evaporate. And over the course
of 100 minutes, in some way they've become our dreams as well.
At least we've got some recourse. We can just watch the movie again. Or
participate in mailing lists and MUSH's. That's some comfort.
--Jefferson
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On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Thaiphong Vo wrote:
> I was wondering about A Kid In King Arthur's Court.. I have a free rental
> coupon, so was pondering whether to throw it away on it.. How long is Kate
> onscreen?
Maybe a total of 10 or 15 minutes, spread out over the movie. Now just
because she's in a scene doesn't mean she's the focus of it. Sometimes
she's just sitting at the dinner table listening to other people. But
watching her do that in itself is interesting. To me, anyway.
A dedicated Kate fan should probably see it, just for the sake of
completeness. And 'free' is a pretty reasonable price.
--Jefferson
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Subject: They're really getting to me, too!
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On 5 August, Mela wrote
>they're really getting to me.
I know what you mean. I keep finding 'heavenly' resonances in other works
of art; the film just sort of butts its way in. For instance, I
can't hear the ending of La Boheme (my favourite opera, anyway), where
Rudolfo cries out 'Mimi!', without thinking of Juliet's heartbreaking
'Gina!'from the liner, just after the second blow. It is one of Puccini's
most shamelessly tear-jerking moments, with a reprise of the 'Sono andati'
theme blasting out in the brass and strings. Puccini, like Peter Jackson,
likes throwing his audience's emotions around; and both do so masterfully.
Hmmn, not the only similarity in their art, either: any opera fans out
there?
On a 'favourite moments' note (not struck for a while), my current fave
comes in the 'Ones that I worship' sequence, when Pauline and Juliet are
both gazing at the gemstone, and then at each other. Kate Winslet does
this wonderful little batting of the eyelashes, so fast you'd miss it if
you blinked - but I adore it! It's wonderfully conspiratorial, secretive,
and (correct me if I'm wrong) not a little amatory, or even sexual... I
wonder: a Winslet improvisation, or a direction? Bearing in mind some of
the other wonderful expressions the director manages to coax out of his
actors (Mel Lynskey's when she first sees the Princess of Ilam is simply
amazing), it could be either, I suppose.
Ah, I've so many things to tell you...
And one to ask. Just what is that grotty gold box that Wendy gives to
Honora for Christmas 1953??? It's horrible! (Cue Melanie smelling the
mackerel).
Yours with every sweet desire,
Phil
pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk
P.S. Bryan: many thanks for those two new photos on HeavenlyWeb,
especially the Juliet Hulme one. Don't work too hard.
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Subject: They're really getting to me, three!
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 18:21:44 -0700
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I don't think I can listen to another Mario Lanza record/CD without
visualizing in my head the image of Melanie/Pauline in complete
ectasy--or Pauline and Juliet running around pretending their Biggles
bombers--or Juliet and Pauline dancing in the field singing, "There's a
light in her eye, Though she may try to hide it, ..." It hopeless; even
if I listen to a Lanza's Christmas album, I still picture myself at
Pauline's house opening presents.
Furthermore, "The Humming Chorus" have now been fixed permamently in my
head to scene of Pauline, Juliet and Honora in Victoria Park. I think
when you use music (furthermore, pre-recorded music) as good Peter
Jackson had done in Heavenly Creatures, that particular scene will
always be an *idea fixe* in associating the score or song used. "The
Humming Chorus" doesn't belong to Puccini's Madame Butterfly anymore, it
belongs to Peter Jackson's Heavenly Creatures, where the three had
walked. (well, at least, in my case anyway)
--
"They hear drums, we hear music"
lybao@earthlink.net -Stephen Sondheim.
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Subject: HC Credits
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 21:06:37 +0930
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Has anyone noticed that 'How much is that doggy in the window' is
credited at the end of HC, even though it only appears in the long
version (not that I'd know :-( )? I'm guessing that they just went with a
single set of credits for every version, but I haven't noticed it before.
Anyway, just a thought.
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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001 - Michaela Rhea Drapes <ole - Premiere Article on Jackson online
002 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - Re: Heavenly recourses
003 - 9506148v@Magpie.Magill.Un - Donkey Serenade
004 - Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@ - Re: Donkey Serenade
005 - MrS1fDstrc@aol.com - HC video
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From: Michaela Rhea Drapes <oleanna@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Premiere Article on Jackson online
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:23:54 -0600
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For those of you who haven't picked up the August Premiere, or live outside the states, you can read it at:
http://www.premieremag.com/featpres/Aug_96/Frightener/index.html
regards,
michaela
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Heavenly recourses
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:42:29 +0100 (BST)
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On Tuesday 6 August, Jefferson ended his summary of 'what are we all doing
here?' by observing:
>At least we've got some recourse. We can just watch the movie again, or
participate in mailing lists and MUSH's. That's some comfort.
Agreed. Never in the field of watching movies has one viewer wanted so
desperately to find out so much about so lovely (and tragic) a two. My
first reaction to HC was a world-stopping desire to find out absolutely
everything I could about the real life events (thus ruining my Ph.D.
research for a fortnight, by the way). Partly out of curiosity,
perhaps, but also because the film contrives to leave you with a gaping
void in your stomach, a terrible sense of deprivation, the need for
recourse of some sort. To put it bluntly, I wanted Pauline and Juliet
back. Returning the video to the store felt like treachery to people I
loved. Sob..
Fortunately, it turned out there was plenty of opportunity for trying to
fill that void. One thing HC does magnificently is those little touches
of versimilitude which mean a lot to those of us who have taken the leap
off Port Levy pier (i.e. anyone reading this) and which keep delighting
me. Has anyone noticed, for instance (well, I guess you have, you seem a
*terrifyingly* observant bunch) that:
*When Juliet leaves the sanitorium, her grey suit matches exactly the suit
worn by the real Juliet in the famous trial photos. (And, though it's
hard to tell, I think Pauline's clothes match, too, minus the scarf)
*When Paul cycles out to Ilam for the 'divorce' episode, the pouring rain
is straight out of her diary, where she tells how it rained 'cats and dogs
(panthers and wolves)', and notes that she nearly froze.
And so on. This film just wants to be looked at from so many angles, and
wherever you look, there are these details which demonstrate the integrity
and thoroughness of its research. How many other films can claim the
same, I wonder? Recourse, indeed - and plain amazement on the part of
this humbled viewer, that so much could be crammed into 100 minutes of
film (no, don't get excited, the UK version is the 98 minute "Disney"
version).
Any other pet versimilitudes?
Phil
-----
One morning, towards the end of several days of interviews with Anne
Perry, I asked her, "What is your worst fear?"
"My worst fear about all this," she replied, "is that you will find
Pauline."
(conclusion of Guardian interview 29/6/96)
pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk
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Has anyone listened closely to the lyrics in the Donkey Serenade?
It sounds to me like it's written about A Midsummer Night's Dream.
Just a thought.
Shannon <9506148v@magpie.magill.unisa.edu.au>
'It's everyone else who's bonkers!'
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From: Sandra Bowdler <sbowdler@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
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Hello all,
The Donkey Serenade comes from an operatta by Rudolf Friml, The Firefly
(1912). There is a 1937 movie version with Jeannette McDonald and Allan
Jones (who sings it), which was very popular in its day. It is
unadulterated tosh, about a female undercover agent during the
Napoleonic wars. The song is sung to a donkey when the lady spy pretends
to give the hero the cold shoulder. Oh yes, she's supposed to be Spanish,
hence the "senorita" stuff (So I'll sing to the mule, if the sweet
senorita doesn't think that I'm just a fool), while Jeanette dimples in
her usual chunderous way behind a fan...
cheers
sb
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From: MrS1fDstrc@aol.com
Subject: HC video
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:23:36 -0400
Hey everyone, this is my first post to this list in quite a while and
I've got several new things to say, mainly about the Heavenly Creatures
video. As I have mentioned before I first saw HC on the Cable TV channel
Starz. I taped it off there, but decided that the tape was a little too
fuzzy and the sound wasn't what I wanted, so I went out and bought the HC
video. I wish I could have bought the letterboxed laserdisc, but
unfortunately I don't have an LD player, and I'm not about to get one since
the DVD players are coming out this fall.
Anyway, after watching the Miramax home video I noticed several
differences between it and the version shown on Starz. None of the
differences were very big, but they were noticable if you've seen the movie a
few times. Here is a list of differnces I noticed on my first viewing of the
home video:
-On the Starz version, the opening travelogue segment of Christchurch is
presented as a fairly small square at the center of the screen with a black
border around it. On the home vidoe version, it is presented as a fullscreen
letterboxed image.
- On Starz, the whole movie is panned and scanned (that means the edges were
cut off so that it would fill a square TV). On the home video, the opening
six minutes or so are letterboxed before cutting to Pan and Scan.
- The screen which tells about how this is the girls' story, and all diary
entries are in Paul's own words look a little different, it looks like a
different font may have been used.
- The title screen is different. On Starz, Heavenly Creatures is written in
blue lettering in front of a background mad up of six green rectangular
horizontal lines. The green lines are place very close together so it looks
as though it is just a big green rectangle behind the title. On the video,
the title Heavenly Creatures is written in green lettering (I think the
lettering is green anyway) in front of six very thin light blue horizontal
lines. The blue lines are pretty widely space out for one another.
- When Juliet is shown at the hospital, there are plenty of shots of other
sick people. There was one on the Starz version which was very noticable,
but seems to have been cut on the Home video. The shot starts out with the
camara at about ceiling level pointing down. We see the back of a man as he
is leaning over coughing violently. The camara starts moving downward. On
the video the camara starts moving, and as we near the man, it cuts to
Juliet. On Starz, the camara keeps moving, and we see the man cough up
massive amounts of blood into a white pan, and the it cuts to Juliet.
- I have also noticed that it seems like the two different versions were
scanned a little differently. The home video seemed to go a little closer
in, cutting off even more of the film. One example that really stood out was
the scene right before Paul and Juliet compare scars. We see the other girls
doing leg exercises, and the the camara starts spinning around to reveal Paul
and Juliet sitting on the bench. On Starz, we can easily see both of them on
the bench, but on the video, we see Juliet very briefly and as the shot stops
moving, we see Paul sitting on the bench, and over half of Juliet is cut oof
by the edge of the screen.
- Another example of the difference in the scanning is when the girls first
enter the Fourth World. There is a shot that shows them watching in wonder
as the world around them is transformed, in the background behind the girls,
we see the real world morph into the Fourth World. On Starz, this shot is
for a fair distance, and we can really see a lot of changes take place. On
the video, the shot was scanned as a close-up of the two girls, and the
morphing in the background is not nearly as noticable.
I was wondering if anyone knows why these two versions differ in so
many areas. Has anyone else seen these two versions and noticed the things I
did. Are there any ig differnces between the video and lasredisc that anyone
has noticed (besides the fact that the LD is letterboxed). One of the
explinations I thought might explain it is that Miramax used the American
version of the film when they made the video, and Starz scanned a copy of the
New Zealand version and tried to edit it to resemble the American version.
I have not seen the NZ version, so this is just a theory, but I would love
to know what the real reason for these differences is.
I also have a few other things to add. First of all, I read this
morning in the enetertainment news section of Critic's Choice on America
Online that Kate Winslet has now been officially asked by Peter Jackson to
join the cast of King Kong.
Also did anyone read the little article about Peter Jackson in last
week's Entertainment Weekly (the one witht the cover story on the 100 best
summer songs). It was a very short article (about a quarter of a page) in
the movie section that talked about how Peter Jackson is the first person to
ever do a big digital effects movie completely outside of hollywood, and how
Universal loved The Frighteners. The article didn't really have any new
info, but it was kinda cool to see.
Finally, someone said a while back that they had some articles they
could send out about Forgotten Silver, but I haven't seen any yet. I would
really like it if whoever said they had the info would post it here. Thanx
in advance.
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001 - GorillaBlu@aol.com - REMOVE ME!!!
002 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - 57 varieties of HC?
003 - Phil West <pgw16@hermes.c - City of the plains
004 - Douglas J K <c9315678@ali - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n081
005 - mailcall <mailcall@kiva.n - Re: HC video
006 - clumber@ici.net (Eric or - Guardian article 29/6/96
007 - Douglas J K <c9315678@ali - Re: Digest heavenly-c.v001.n085
008 - Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.o - Re: Guardian article 29/6/96
009 - marth@maine.maine.edu (Na - Re: Guardian article 29/6/96
010 - marth@maine.maine.edu (Na - warning: long msg--the lure of that certain "connectivity"
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From: GorillaBlu@aol.com
Subject: REMOVE ME!!!
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:43:14 -0400
How the heck do I get removed from this mailing list? I have
enjoyed it greatly but I can't seem to find help on how to
remove myself. I have emailed everyone I can think of, to
no avail.
If ANYONE can help me, please do.
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: 57 varieties of HC?
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:22:21 +0100 (BST)
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I'm confused! Just how many versions of HC did Miramax release, exactly?
And why so many? If I may add to the confusion a moment... When Bryan
moaned about the pan/scan version many moons ago, he noted how Melanie
gets cut out of several scenes (holding hands with Kate after having her
hair brushed at Port Levy, hugging Kate for all she's worth at the
sanitorium when they are first reunited). But watching my non-letterboxed
UK version, these Melanie moments are clearly more intact than the
pan/scan version Bryan has seen (100% of Melanie smiling is not something
I'd mistake, believe me!) Neither is the "Ilam" address board cut from
the start of the "Princess of Ilam" scene.
So what's up? Are there several different pan/scans? (I haven't even
seen a letterboxed version in England. I'm rather hoping that when,
eventually, it gets onto our cable network, it will be in this version.
But it's not common. And as for laserdisks... practically non-existent in
these technophobic waters). Surely, with all the combined genius of the
HC mailing list, we can work it out?!
Yours falling into everything beautifully
Phil
---
'Good, dark eyes,' she recalls when pressed. 'Short, dark hair...
good-looking... a bit heavy... bright.'
(Deborah remembers Gina, The Guardian 29/6/96)
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From: Phil West <pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: City of the plains
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:30:02 +0100 (BST)
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A thought that has been knocking around my head for a while...
'Christchurch, New Zealand's city of the plains,' says the announcer.
Well, excuse me if it's in the FAQ (I don't remember it), but in Genesis,
the 'cities of the plain' are Sodom and Gomorrah, zapped by good old
Jehovah for you-know-what sin... (gasp)
Yet another particularly savage and amusing irony, then. It makes me
wonder if the voice-over is contemporary with the archive footage, or
whether it is a Jackson/Walsh creation. Either way, it's a wicked touch.
Now go and read your bibles.
Phil
---
'We have now learned the peace of the thing called Bliss,
the joy of the thing called Sin.' (PYP, 1954)
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:35:57 +1000 (EST)
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Hi, everyone. I'm new to this and just catching up on messages from way
back.
I have been really interested to read all of your thoughts and comments.
Its amazing to find such `kindred' around the globe.
I honestly thought that I was somehow strange to become so involved in
movie characters or plots. I am very pleased to see that I am not alone. I
have tried very hard to explain my love for HC to myself. But alas, I
cannot (although I agree with Nancy Marth's comments (31st July). I've
always lived in a bit of a fantasy world (relating to Pauline and
Juliet's Borovnia adventures). I think its about fighting against the
restraints our culture places on creativity. I also really envied the
intensity of their relationship. Did anyone see it to be a bit "Wuthering
Heights-ish" ? (ie. a relationship so intense that it cannot exist in
the particular society in which it finds itself).
Anyway, I'm glad to be sharing your thoughts.
Does anyone know an Australian release date for the Frighteners?
Has there been any discussion on the film "Butterfly Kiss" around here?
Thanks, Kate D.
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From: mailcall <mailcall@kiva.net>
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:50:18 -0500 (EST)
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: - The title screen is different... On the video, the title Heavenly
: Creatures is written in green lettering (I think the lettering is
: green anyway) in front of six very thin light blue horizontal
: lines. The blue lines are pretty widely space out for one
: another.
it appeared to have been created to give the impression of writing on
school notebook paper.
: The home video seemed to go a little closer
: in, cutting off even more of the film.
the place that i really noticed this (i've never seen the starz or new
zealand versions) was in the scene where honora is reaming pauline out
for being a "cheap little tart". the way that scene is, it -has- to be
shown in wide screen or you lose half the expressions. honora's all
over the kitchen while pauline listens to the whole lecture. she's
lost her precious space, it's her own fault and she knows it, mom's
right, can i *go* now? but it's when it gets to the closeups that
things got really bad. as soon as pauline whirls around and
figuratively whacks mom over the head with her knowledge that mom was
hot to trot in her day and was no chaste angel, and what's more *it
was mom's own mother* that told this to pauline... half of melanie's
face is out of frame. you can't see her (very important!) expressions!
this scene is extremely significant. back in those days, to talk that
frankly about s-e-x, especially relating to your own parents, was
practically unheard of. you sure as hell didn't yell it in full voice
in the kitchen where all the BOARDERS could hear, i mean really!!!!
think about what she's *doing!!!*
**--==--** melanthe alexian **--==--**
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From: clumber@ici.net (Eric or Ann Kingman)
Subject: Guardian article 29/6/96
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 18:50:42 -0400
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Hi all,
Having joined the list just a month or so ago, I wanted to say that
everytime I read something on the digest about HC, I get shivers up my
spine. No other movie has quite affected me like this...and yes, I'm one
whose husband and friends think I'm nuts to go on about this movie like I do.
I'm delurking to ask if the article mentioned in the quote below from Paul
that appeared in the last digest is available anywhere online, or if someone
would be so kind as to mail or fax me a copy.
Many thanks..
Ann
clumber@ici.net
>
>-----
> One morning, towards the end of several days of interviews with Anne
>Perry, I asked her, "What is your worst fear?"
> "My worst fear about all this," she replied, "is that you will find
>Pauline."
>(conclusion of Guardian interview 29/6/96)
>pgw16@hermes.cam.ac.uk
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I agree with Jefferson's comments that perhaps we can easily become
caught up in something so intense and emotional. What Pauline and Juliet
experience is rare (as they themselves acknowledge...they have discovered
the key to the fourth world, and only a select few can do this).
Perhaps what we (who love the film) have in common, is that we are, or see
ourselves to be, or wish to be `heavenly creatures' ourselves.
For me personally, these emotions are somewhat real. I feel very
`connected' with certain people as soon as I meet them, and often these
are people whom I eventually have some kind of close relationship with. What Pauline and
Juliet experience (I think) is an extreme form of this sort of thing.
These sort of intense friendships could be real...if only society
permitted!
What do you think?
Kate D.
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From: Thaiphong Vo <thaivo@ea.oac.uci.edu>
Subject: Re: Guardian article 29/6/96
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:16:50 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi Ann,
>Having joined the list just a month or so ago, I wanted to say that
>everytime I read something on the digest about HC, I get shivers up my
>spine. No other movie has quite affected me like this...and yes, I'm one
>whose husband and friends think I'm nuts to go on about this movie like I do.
Indeed, it's difficult for me to believe that I'm still so affected the
movie, it's been a year since I saw it... of course I've seen it dozens of
times now. : ) I still grin madly when I see Paul and Juliet giving birth
to Diello...
>I'm delurking to ask if the article mentioned in the quote below from Paul
>that appeared in the last digest is available anywhere online, or if someone
>would be so kind as to mail or fax me a copy.
Hey me too! I'm interested.
-Thai
----------------------------
"New Year's Resolution...Is a far more selfish one this year..
It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
Melanie Lynskey: The One I Worship
----------------------------
"New Year's Resolution...Is a far more selfish one this year..
It is to make my motto, eat, drink and be merry... for tomorrow
you may be dead." - Pauline Parker 1954~
Melanie Lynskey: The One I Worship (http://www.best.com/~thaivo)
---------------------------
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From: marth@maine.maine.edu (Nancy Marth)
Subject: Re: Guardian article 29/6/96
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:41:06 -0500
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Count me in, as well. Could someone post this or is it too long? I was
fascinated by Anne Perry's comment that her worst fear is that someone will
find Pauline.
>>I'm delurking to ask if the article mentioned in the quote below from Paul
>>that appeared in the last digest is available anywhere online, or if someone
>>would be so kind as to mail or fax me a copy.
>
> Hey me too! I'm interested.
>
> -Thai
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From: marth@maine.maine.edu (Nancy Marth)
Subject: warning: long msg--the lure of that certain "connectivity"
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:04:06 -0500
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I went to see HC for the first time December of 1994 with my best friend at
the time. When the movie ended, I HAD to watch the credits (I usually do
anyway) and even after they were over--I just wanted to sit there and
process everything I just saw. I was floored. My friend, ask me if I was
ready to go, and I said yes even tho I wanted to linger in the theatre a
while longer. As we walked out, I looked around at faces and tried to hear
people's comments, wondering if there was anyone else who felt like their
life had just been jolted as a result of viewing this movie. I asked my
friend how she liked it and said she thought it was ok, but didn't like the
ending. I was so astonished that she didn't go completely nuts over this
movie. There she was the same person coming out of the theatre as when she
went in, but I had definitely changed. I talked about the movie for months
afterword. My friend was SO sick of hearing about it.
To this day, I am still fascinated with the case and the movie. I bought a
VHS copy of HC--stopped counting how many times I've watched it after
number 20. Never have seen the other versions but would love to. Jackson
couldn't have made a better movie. I've read that some of the events in HC
are not completely accurate or are out of sequence, but he and Fran tried
to stay true to the facts. I don't believe having more accurate facts or
sequences would affect the emotion this movie evokes from the viewer. As
mentioned before in posts, he did Paul and Juliet justice by making a movie
where the viewer enters their world and can reach a point of understanding
as to possibly why the murder was committed.
To me, the thought of having a relationship like Paul and Juliet's is
exciting. And I know that type of connection can be dangerous and in
another sense, unproductive. I once had an intense friendship that took up
all my free time--time that I had previously spent being productive and
doing things like working on my computer (some people might not call this
productivity!), reading books, getting exercise, writing letters, etc.
After it ended, I found myself a little lost but slowly shifting back to
reality, which made me realize how much of life I had missed being so
wrapped up in this relationship. On one hand I missed the friendship
dearly, but I saw that I had alienated others and had wasted a lot of time.
Paul and Juliet might have experienced some of the same feelings while
serving their sentence; to realize what they had done after slowly coming
back down to reality must have been a huge shockeroo.
Ok, that's enough of a novel for now. I still look for a certain
"connectivity" with others and for a friendship similar to what I once had.
It's like being in love--once it happens and ends, you want it to happen
again. I've only been in love once. Before it happened, I thought it
would be a nice thing and that was that. But now since I've experienced it,
I yearn for it again.
Nancy
>I agree with Jefferson's comments that perhaps we can easily become
>caught up in something so intense and emotional. What Pauline and Juliet
>experience is rare (as they themselves acknowledge...they have discovered
>the key to the fourth world, and only a select few can do this).
>
>Perhaps what we (who love the film) have in common, is that we are, or see
>ourselves to be, or wish to be `heavenly creatures' ourselves.
>
>For me personally, these emotions are somewhat real. I feel very
>`connected' with certain people as soon as I meet them, and often these
>are people whom I eventually have some kind of close relationship with.
>What Pau
>line and
>Juliet experience (I think) is an extreme form of this sort of thing.
>These sort of intense friendships could be real...if only society
>permitted!
>
>
>What do you think?
>
>Kate D.
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