Re: the Grey alien archetype and children's responses, I think that's important, Do you have any further insights or references on that? I could try speculating, my experience with the large eyes according to my brain is that genera of painting that created so many portaits of children with such large and often sad looking eyes; also those eyes seem to be found a lot when someone is asking donations to feed starving children. I think a lot of people may be responsive to some of the features of Greys like this, maybe not the ones on Greys per se.
I cannot think what the pointed chin represents, outside of maybe the regional endocrine, the thyroid, something like an overactive thyroid while sleeping is promoting a rather tetanic repiratory oppression and a rather tetanic sleep paralysis? It may be paradoxical almost to the sleepwalking prevention idea, but I have long suspected the phenethyl derivatives in Oreganos may be thyroid precursors possibly by way of becoming pheylalanine or tyrosine.
Hopefully that is a correct shamanic way of looking at it, and it would be helpful alleviating the Night hag or whatever form it takes if this generalism were true. Seems like this is not the first time in such a thread I am mentioning tetany. To tell you the truth, though, I hadn't really noticed the chins so much as the eyes. I am also tempted to think of this as an amygdaloid, (an almond shape) and thus an invocation of almond, alms for the poor, and whatever. It may be that literally almond as some preparation might as much help problematics of the experiencee, and create the same benfits as positive respondss to Greys on children and possibly adults; most of the Grey drawings I see don't look that emphatic or adoptable, IMHO.
In fact I did almond aromatherapeutically when i startd into Egyptian stuff, it was quite calming, a well as somehow seemed to put me in a mood for Egyptian... I used it on the basis of promoting alertness, so to learn better, re scott Cunningham's material.
Another thing that was mentioned was the connection between Greys and smoke, and Chi. I think that's a good point also, the sort of grey plants, to bring the Doctorine of Signatures back into it, that would actually help with the respiratory and other conditions associated. White mugwort, and that kind of thing and quite possibly alot of other silver plants, at least in the Aster family.
Perhaps an evolutionary biologist can be consulted about the role smoke may play; the picture I seem to get is that many chemicals in smoke may be anti-histamine and stimulant, sleep-antagonizing, because obviously of the possible need for the body to respond to the smell of smoke, ie a forest fire, by waking up and running like blazes. And cigarette smoke was not out of the question although I know of no clear pattern of exposure among many reports and even polls of abductees that I have yet to read :-) Mother always did tell me never to get sleep paralysis in the middle of a cigarette though, says it makes the homeowners insurance go up, or something.
I have mentioned before I think about Greys and smoke and the disturbing thing to me being if the house were on fire and I had sleep paralysis. I wouln't doubt that the signatures of Chia seeds (certains Sages, ie Salvia species) cover Chi as smoke, do you think that neurological paths intended to use Chi to offset for protection from fire are backing up and casuing more blockage in the from of paralysis? Could this be calcium ions? You would get this much from the older Theosophy books quite easily in fact, most certainly from Charles Leadbeater's work alone.
And then there's the protective magic charms in Native American stuff involving some of the same plants; (Daniel Moerman's MPNADB database should have a few at least...) this seems a highly consistent and well developed area altogether maybe. Most of the ideas about Correspondences like Signatures regarding origin easily grant enough to account for these consistencies, any good theory has to, really. Obviously one of Artemis' better known titles, "Protectress' is still applicable here also, and the best known grey plants might actaully be the Artemisias: Wormwood, Sagebrush etc. Artemis' exaggerated status as a mammal, such as the, I never counted really hundred breasted? Artemis, again serves the function of Tryptophan and also calcium symbol, since milk is most notable, probably for these.
Geez, what a list of correspondences! I'm starting to see why the human mind may abbreviate the process with archetyes and symbols... Then again I can also detect a suppressed shaman or mage in it as well, perhaps... it obviously helps to be concious of the language that may be used.
I was also interested in hearing more about the eight brain model regarding Leary and so on. Sounds kind of like Casteneda maybe. Since it is VERY hard to argue with the Ancient and Wise Egyptians about anything, I thought to compromise thier idea that intelligence resided in the heart and or blood with our modern ideas and started asking how many more possible neural carriers could there be then; it is not impossible to list a dozen. Does this model, or any that you know of, associate the different functions with different, seperate carriers?
Oh, and about the multiplicity of Greys, I am surprised they don't come by the dozen. Perhaps there is a Sufi (with a harem! :-) in our midst that can explain more about this "A Persian's heaven is easily made, 'tis but black eyes and lemonade" (Thomas Moore's peom here has become, or was created according to, an archetype?) business and what the Houri are, from any traditional point of view (ie I don't see fit as yet to distinguish them from the Horae in Greek mythology)
As always, wondering... oh yeah, that's what we're here for! :-) Cool!
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Hi, I'm Chronos Apollonios and I'm
1. Too shy to post my profile (darned Capricorn!) 2. Been doing a lot of Far Memory work and my profile has gotten really too long to post... 3. I accidentally cloaked my profile during an invisibilty spell gone awry. 4. Wasn't really interesting, I've been dead for six hundred and fifty years. 5. The dog ate it. 6. Aliens landed and took it with them. 7. etc...what? get serious? (ouch) here's some of it:
Religious Affiliation: Non-denominational.
Religious Disposition: Just this side of worship; opinion: Appreciation is freedom; worship is bondage. Giving thanks to Deity is good for the spirit, giving assistance to Deity is good for the world.
Interests: Largely Greek Gods and Goddesses- not limited to; Herbalism, Doctorine of Signatures, Gardening; Shamanism, Spiritualism (like Seances and Ectoplasm), Parapsychology, Scientific Magic, Paganism, Wicca, Coptic/ Gnostic, Native American, Palingenics, Alchemy any way Cat Vincent won't do it, ad infinitum.
Background: Been at it since, oh about last week, I think...(giggle) Failed college- ate one of my professors... Gurus: Closest thing is Gurudas- buy his books; Theosophist Charles Leadbeater. Check out his books too. (Got all but kicked right off the inane Arcana list very recently because some of my best work IMHO had "pop-tarts" in the subject line...AFTER I explained how I get a little silly when I'm shy and nervous...)
Personal Affliliations: Guilds/ Gods, Totems/ Clans: Chronos, Apollo, Posiedon, Zeus, Uranos, Glaucos, Triton, etc.; By correspondence, default or proxy: Karya, Carmenta, Diktyanna, Britomartis, Artemis, Hecate, Lamia, Dionysos, Hermes, Hephaestos, etc.; Other: Plutus, Fortuna, Amalthea, Lares-Penates,; Bears, felines, delphines, raven and crow, goat, equestrines and other astrological, mythological, or iconographical correspondents of my chart.
Techniques: None. Those who cannot do, teach.
Favorite magic: Swimming medicines, resurrection, Catoptromancy (as in Pausanias, "Guide to Greece"- not as elsewhere i.e., Medical divination), Far Memory, materialization, magic mirrors, apportioning/ apportation.
Disciplines: Iconography, Mythography, Herbalism, Doctorine of Signatures, Shamanism any darn way but how the world claims to do it (no drums no drugs no OBE no touchy-feely no Wounded Healer no empathy no BS) more like in the books "Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki" or "Ethnobotany of the Hopi"
Occupations in previous incarnations according to my demented and illusory visions: Scribe, teacher, archivist, writer, child-finder, tourism officer, Ephesian sherriff, seedsman, healer, curator of Botanical gardens, groundskeeper, culturebearer, preist of Chronos, Apollo and Posedon/ Glaucos.
Other: Single and seeking; matriarchal (where the girls ask the boys to dance etc., before women become oppressed...); recovered musician; avid if inept gardener (double-dormancy, ooh, aah); ecologocially oriented, whatever that means.
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Hmmm, I'm not exactly sure what that means where the word "psychedelics" appeared just before the Give and Takes of the Doctorine of Signatures?
Left to my own devices, I go back to a nasty little argument me and the Morning Glory family were having about talking "tempting" Lysergic acid and derivatives, and gift-wrapping it in Strychnine as if Satan personally had designed them. I'm not sure we settled the issue..
(Leave it to Salespeople, you'd be amazed who I've heard saying their blotter was laced with strychnine to keep your heart beating because their stuff was "too clean and too pure". I'm like, "Uh, funny I don't remember Hoffmann saying that, but I remember Woodstock: the brown acid is bad".) You are meaning things like this, or that over-use of probably any entheogen has a reputation for being destructive to one's body? I'd like to get more into this question, because I'm not sure I've been able to resolve it in the Ancient Systems and so on. I mean, I can say things like, Morning Glories are sacred to Chronos, the flowers correspond to his Cornucopia, so leave it to a trained professional, more or less a Chronosian priest, an experienced old hand, or any other equivalent, but the area is kind of hollow philosophically speaking, and I'm sure that's just a temporary superficial perception of mine. I’m not really sure one should leave these things to anyone sometimes. (I'll try "Calcium" for 400, Alex..Chronos Jeapordios)
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You know, I'm actually quite surprised we haven't been in a discussion about the (drumroll) Comte de Sainte-Germaine. There is a lovely little anecdote about someone accidentally getting some of one of his elixirs. Same old, has the "Certain phase of the moon" in it's prescription, (ooh, I better check "Song Remains the Same" again to see if the moon wasn't prominently featured in Jimmy Page's vignette. Not like even I can't fast pitch a whole fleet of Lunar associations on that one myself. Better mention Indries Shah "Oriental Magic" and the Silverfish ritual again and Calcium, calcium, and more calcium.)
Mind you, I'm hopefully broad minded, I don't see the need to split Alchemy into any subdivisions, especially how often Alchemy is called THE WORK (what is the not the Work ,*therefore* what is alchemy not?) whatever in particular is being talked about (I'm basically a lumper not a splitter, earthsigns Taurus and Capricorn may tend to do that) but as a matter of fact the correspondences (bellow-like flowers, white foilaged plants, etc, etc) DO seem to support at least both styles simultaneously, and I think it's thought provoking and highly rewarding for anyone to try dabbling in the ideas of both.
It's hard NOT to notice for example how Wormwood and other Artemisias are silver-leaved and then gold-flowered, they are "tuning to gold", as it were... they relate to the "bellows" of the body (Holy Lamaze, Batman!) and then there is the warning about them that pregnant persons shouldn't even get near the Artemisias maybe, should this be considered "of the Moist Way" also? (who, me stop to postulate a divine recompense here? Oh, okay show me Crowley's Hermit (Thoth Tarot) and I think of Paracelsus Homunculating, Virgo Virgo Virgo...)
I will go into the garden today and look for more plant-things that look like bellows besides the Bleeding Hearts. (They are quite probably correct here Chemically, I already know that, and in folklore as well) Might the gasping fish be considered an acceptable correspondence of the bellow? And I will pitch the Lamium species and varieties again, guess what earthy tantric fluids they remind me of often; I have heard Fritillary-lilles (Fritillaria specie) are even "worse"in this respect. *Strangely*, their netting might have made them sacred to Diktyanna, a birth goddess and protectress of shipwrecked hermits...
Do you think any of the classical personages, Paracelsus, etc, were actually any different in their approach then? Paracelsus' feats of course include the Homunculus, which is considerably of the Moist Way, again, *if* one is to subdivide alchemy. I am not sure that he did. And I probably don't remind anyone of his connections to the Doctorine of Signatures out of actual necessity...
I am also curious to any personal thought or references in literature that actually come out and say whether or not the solidification of a tantric fluid should be considered an operation Calcination in itself... I would think I would recall anything appreciably direct. I also have noting in print to tell me if lactation produces tantric "substance". Can we include why doesn't powdered milk spoil when you reconstitute it, or is there a "perfectly logical" explanation for that? (I am of course just feigning ignorance to stimulate list activity, giggle) I actually know an old Greek soul who will tell you Allllllllll abouuuuuuuut whether or not Hephaestos was a puffer if you promise not to feed a small forest through your printer over it... We will have to ask Aphrodite if he was a good lover...(giggle) ******